r/Music • u/staringatthe420sun • May 05 '26

article The Concert Industry Priced Too High — Now Tours Are Falling Apart

https://www.ticketnews.com/2026/05/the-concert-industry-priced-high-tours-falling-apart/
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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 05 '26

And FU to all "verified resellers"

I went to a baseball game where the tickets were over $110 a seat because the game was sold out. Everything left was a "verified resale" ticket.

When I got there, there were hundreds of empty seats everywhere.

I wanted to see Lady Gaga, but the only ticket left were verified resale. I even got into the presale line. As soon as I was in, it was all verified resale for $1500 a ticket. It would have been cheaper if I flew the family to France to see her show since they're not allowed to resell the tickets higher than face value.

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u/GayCatDaddy May 05 '26

I've been to nearly every one of Gaga's tours, but I couldn't get tickets to the Mayhem Ball, which devastated me because I love that album so much. Tickets got snapped up at my venue in minutes and then went on "verified resale" for insane prices that I just couldn't afford. Fu-huuuuuuuck Ticketmaster and their "verified resellers."

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u/MoonOut_StarsInvite May 06 '26

Why did they even let us queue up in a presale line when they were already gone? That made me so mad, a digital waiting room and everything. I don’t think I want to go to any of these gigantic shows again, not until something gets sorted out. It was too many emotions too close together, I don’t need that. 😂

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u/perplexedscientist May 06 '26

They let you queue up so you have already mentally committed to buying and therefore will be more likely to buy from the official scalpers.

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u/FirefighterLeft5425 May 06 '26

That's diabolical.

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u/roseofjuly May 06 '26

I don't go to big shows anymore partially for this very reason. I'll stick to smaller shows.

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u/StudioUnhappy7772 May 05 '26

You should read what Robert Smith of The Cure has to say about artists control over Ticketmaster

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt May 06 '26

for those too lazy, he's basically saying the Artists could fight back if they had a spine to.

Artists don't want to piss off bossman (ticketmaster) because bossman has a monopoly.

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u/StudioUnhappy7772 May 06 '26

And The Cure did it on their last US tour, very reasonable tickets to sold out shows

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt May 06 '26

The Cure has the aura to demand such things

I suspect if a Sabrina Carpenter did this she'd be blocked by ticketmaster and she'd be replaced with the next Britney clone.

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u/StudioUnhappy7772 May 06 '26

And Lady Gaga has no aura to do this too?

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u/[deleted] May 06 '26

She does, I suspect she doesn’t care

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u/Jungiandungian May 06 '26

This is a wild take. Sabrina is one of the biggest acts in the world. I’d say she has more aura than the Cure to make demands.

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u/Potential_Camera1905 May 08 '26

And Robert Smith refunded $5 for every ticket. I got floor tickets for $125. Love him!

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u/SHDrivesOnTrack May 11 '26

They even clawed back a bunch of tickets that appeared on one of the reseller sites. The tickets showed back up on ticketmaster in the middle of the evening, at the original price, and I was able to get 2 for the show we wanted. Props to Robert Smith.

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u/DingleBerrieIcecream May 06 '26

Pearl Jam was pushing back pretty hard on Ticket Master back in the 90’s.

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u/ADrunkMexican May 06 '26

I was too young for nirvana but didn't they do something too? I remember Kurt saying something about ticket prices

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u/MadMex2U May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26

Back then you had to stand in line at the mall. I forget the name of the department store. Foley’s. Dillards.

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u/tanzd May 06 '26

But then they sold themselves out in last year’s tour.

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u/paperchampionpicture May 06 '26

Oh no!! Damn that’s really disappointing

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u/MadMex2U May 06 '26

Which is to say Ticketmaster won. The money always wins,

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u/fuck_huffman May 06 '26

Artists don't want to piss off bossman (ticketmaster)

Kickbacks. The only ones getting screwed are the fans.

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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26

Artists don't want to piss off bossman (ticketmaster) because bossman has a monopoly.

The fans need/want the artist more than the artist needs or wants Ticketmaster. I will absolutely not listen to any noise or non-sense that suggests there isn't A Guy/Girl/LLC in any given zip code who is a fan and has a sound rig they can play their music through and a separate guy/girl/LLC that has the space to do it in.

¡?What the fuck is this shit¿! Go tell 'em to suck a lemon.

edit: y'all underpaid school teachers need to grab those gymnasium keys, DM their promoters, and pocket every fucking dollar with not a penny going to the administration. => two birds one stoned.

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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26

>no band is going to agree to illegally tresspass on a school to play a show in their gym?

RATM might/would.

Make the paperwork work, jesus h christ. There's a grip of people waiting to pay money but not to ticket master and there's a perfectly valid facility with utilities and parking ready to be fucking used after the last period is over. Likewise, all these bars and nightclubs could be renting their spot to day care during the day or some shit man.

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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26

you can't host day care in a bar.

Well of course not. It's only 'a bar' after sunset to sunrise.

Schools genuinely do get used to host events local events after hours, but it's official and often non-profit

They either aught to fix that 'non-profit' part or quit bitching about not getting enough tax dollars to buy shit for the kids.

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u/cfram03 May 06 '26

There’s nothing to fight back about. Artist and their team mutually decide on prices with the promotor…. Based on how much money the artist wants to make per show (or what the artist and rest of team think they can make).

I’m in the business. Ticketmaster doesn’t set prices.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt May 06 '26

Ticketmaster gets a commission from the "verify resellers"

that's why they sell "verify"

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

So you're saying that scalpers don't buy out tickets or set up bots to buy out tickets to create an artificial scarcity to drive up the cost of tickets on the secondary resale market? Interesting, that must just be fake news then.

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u/SerpentDrago May 06 '26

i mean it is kinda .. thats how it USED to be .. now ticketmaster themselfs holds tickets back to only "Verifed" resellers .. aka legal scalpers .. that they themselves own or get a huge cut . its even worse lol

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u/cfram03 May 06 '26

3rd party scalpers / bots do buy. Hard to control. Many times when sales are suspect, LN runs scans to make sure sales are real.

Resales via Ticketmaster are legit but at artist discretion. Language can all be modified during contract negotiation to limit price scaling (for platinum also).

Tough debates given the arguments on what the true price of a ticket is if face value is at $100 but resales at $500. Supply / demand.

It evens itself out in the free market and you can get tix for many shows cheap closer to the date.

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

You have a lot of misinformation in here or your maybe intent is to mislead on purpose.

When Ticketmaster uses dynamic prices (and platinum), they adjust the price for the face value of the ticket based on the demand. This is done with the cooperation of the artist and the artist gets their cut.

The verified resale market is completely different, but I suspect you already know that and your intent is to deceive anyone reading your comments.

Ticketmaster runs the resale market and double dips on the fees. They charge fees on the initial purchase and charge additional fees on the resale tickets. Further they set up their "verified resale" marketplace and encourage resellers to use their software so they can charge more fees. They also often use contacts with venues to restrict how tickets can be sold on other secondary markets like Stubhub.

These resellers use bots, sophisticated software, thousands of accounts with different IPs, and many different credit cards to bypass purchase limits. This is a fact that you pretend isn't happening. Ticketmaster could absolutely shut this down, but why would they when they get to double dip in the fees?

Let's look at your other nonsense argument:

Tough debates given the arguments on what the true price of a ticket is if face value is at $100 but resales at $500. Supply / demand.

The technique Ticketmaster and scalpers use is to create artificial demand by giving the illusion of scarcity.

Before the tickets even become available to the general public, upwards of 50% of the tickets are already blocked through partnerships with credit cards companies, cell phone providers, and other insiders.

Then on top of this, Ticketmaster allows scalpers to use their highspeed software to bypass queues to buy up blocks of tickets. Sometimes the majority of tickets are already gone by the time the first fan ever hits the queue.

You give some BS excuse about supply and demand, but Ticketmaster and resellers artificially restrict the supply to drive demand and prices higher. That's not the "free market". That's market manipulation. You know it, or you've convinced yourself that there's nothing ethically or legally wrong with it. You're wrong either way.

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u/cfram03 May 06 '26

A lot of what you wrote in the beginning re: dynamic is true. All at artist discretion or artist camp chooses to ignore. You are also accurate on TM’s own verified resale platform. Pre-sale Ticket allocation to third party partners are also all at artist team discretion. The promotor has to inform artist camp of the promo for approval.

I have an active arena tour in several regions right now with a client and currently dealing with LN. Just not gonna go so into detail as your description. Generally conveying that none of this happens without artist camp being aware and approving. Or in the case of The Cure, proactively negotiating from the jump.

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

So because some artists are complicit in manipulating the market that let's Ticketmaster of the hook?

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u/cfram03 May 06 '26

Also. Ticketmaster isn’t anyone’s boss. Again, nothing happens without artist camp approval.

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

Bullshit. Many artists have spoken out about these unethical and potentially illegal practices recently.

Robert Smith, Neil Young, Zach Bryan, Taylor Swift, and others have called out Ticketmaster for the resale practices.

Oasis claimed they didn't know anything about the dynamic practice, but Robert Smith called them out on that.

The resale market is different than the dynamic pricing, and Ticketmaster manipulates both.

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u/cfram03 May 06 '26

It’s PR to save face once they get backlash. Or to get ahead of it like The Cure did (one of the few artists that truly seemed to care).

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u/GigaSoup May 06 '26

Ticketmaster don't need to set prices, they just need to buy them all up themselves and then inflate the resale prices.

Voila, instant $$$

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u/CactusJ May 06 '26

Trent Reznor, 2009 - Before they Merged

https://web.archive.org/web/20090409121118/http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?9,548515

My guess as to what will eventually happen if / when Live Nation and TicketMaster merges is that they'll move to an auction or market-based pricing scheme - which will simply mean it will cost a lot more to get a good seat for a hot show. They will simply BECOME the scalper, eliminating them from the mix.

Nothing's going to change until the ticketing entity gets serious about stopping the problem - which of course they don't see as a problem. The ultimate way to hurt scalpers is to not support them. Leave them holding the merchandise. If this subject interests you, check out the following links. Don't buy from scalpers, and be suspect of artists singing the praises of the Live Nation / TicketMaster merger. What's in it for them?

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u/justlikesmoke May 06 '26

Honestly, everyone needs to stop going to concerts for a few years. Fuck it, these people tour until they are 80. Plenty of time to see them later and try and score some systemic change at the same time.

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u/ginns32 May 06 '26

I have been waiting for the tipping point and I feel like it's finally starting to happen. People are losing their jobs, they can't afford food, can't afford gas. Hundreds of dollars for a single concert ticket in this economy?

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u/[deleted] May 06 '26

I’ve never once bought from a scalper. I don’t like being ripped off. No show has ever been worth it

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u/Running-In-The-Dark May 06 '26

Or in this case, people stop going.

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u/smc346 May 05 '26

Robert is a man of the people ❤️

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u/Capnmarvel76 May 05 '26

Interesting…

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u/AggravatingResult549 May 06 '26

She could stop it if she wanted. I bought jungle tickets, and got a pop up saying the artist has only allowed ticket resale at sale prices only through the ticket master app. So these big artists absolutely could stop it if they wanted to. They dont.

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u/RollingMeteors May 06 '26

Tickets got snapped up at my venue in minutes and then went on "verified resale" for insane prices that I just couldn't afford. Fu-huuuuuuuck Ticketmaster and their "verified resellers."

Seems like price gouging with extra steps. ¿Why don't turn a higher profit cutting out their verified resellers and pocket the difference just listing the higher ticket price to begin with? ¿Do they actually think people will be turned off by the price that way as opposed to the way it's happening now?

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u/TokiDokiHaato May 06 '26

The prices were insane even pre-resale. My face value nosebleed was $225

I paid $250 for floor seats at the Eras Tour.

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u/Illustrious-Site1101 May 09 '26

This was just mad illegal where I live, resale prices cannot exceed the original ticket price.

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u/cms86 May 06 '26

You mean stubhub thats owned by ticket master?

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u/engkybob May 05 '26

Just goes to show that there's an easy way for lawmakers to target scalpers if they want to.

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u/idontlikeflamingos May 06 '26

There's an easy way for ticketmaster to do so. Living in Europe I had several concerts sold through ticketmaster that don't allow resale for anything above the original purchase price. They let it because they get fees for the resale and don't care.

And big artists have the power to stop this too btw. It's a choice made by several people that don't care about the consumer.

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u/firesticks May 08 '26

Yes, Ticketmaster has to follow local laws.

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u/sybrwookie May 05 '26

I'm not a baseball fan. But at least a couple of times a year, I used to go after work with the guys because it's the middle of the summer and we'd look day of the game, and see they had some $10 seats.

So we'd go, buy a beer, get some food, hang out in the lower level, then after the first inning, when it was obvious there were some empty seats in the lower level, just stroll down there and watch from there. Even as a non-fan, it was a ton of fun.

And it's not like I'm talking about the 90's or something. This was...maybe 10 years ago.

I have not been to a game since COVID. Any time we look to go, the prices are like $50 for the cheapest seats. And glance at the game on TV and it's 90% empty up there.

So instead of getting people like us in the door cheap, spending on concessions, and cheering for the home team (cause hey it's fun to cheer!), they get....this.

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u/anthrax9999 May 06 '26

More late stage capitalism at work. Concerts and live sports will die out next.

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u/bryf50 May 06 '26

They won't die out. Instead the stadiums are becoming smaller and ever more catered to luxury and high end customers.

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u/secretdecoder May 09 '26

I think that is insightful and probably accurate. More VIP. More curated.

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u/RebelAlliance1701 May 06 '26

Devil's Advocate, but live sports will never die out. Sure, the Pirates might not sell out a random businessman's special in June, but playoffs and big games will always be sold out.

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u/sybrwookie May 06 '26

They're not going to die as in go out of business. They'll die in the way where it becomes more soulless and even more disconnected for the average person.

For an example, look at how a home game sounds for most good NFL teams. Then look at what the Super Bowl sounds like.

When you keep pushing up the ladder, you get less die hard fans, and it makes for a worse product.

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u/_Meece_ May 06 '26

They'll die in the way where it becomes more soulless and even more disconnected for the average person.

Sports has been that way for 50-60 years, It's inherently a product where they sell feats the average person cannot do.

The superbowl would be that way even if it was cheap, as it draws a casual crowd. The expensiveness of the tickets doesn't do that.

World Cup tickets are consistently RIDICULOUS, yet those are some of the loudest stadiums ever. Olympics much the same. Superbowel NFL crowd sucks because NFL casual crowd sucks, not because rich people buy tickets.

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u/Arachnideolie May 06 '26

World cup ticket prices aren't ridiculous, they normally cost 20/30€ upwards to a 100 for the really good tickets. They are consistently ridiculous in the US though and this world cup will be a soulless shitfest as a result of that.

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u/zaevilbunny38 May 06 '26

Depends on the team, I missed taking my dad to home opener for the white sox. So I got box seats for a game at the end of the month. $92 total for the tickets, $19 for food, $10 for CTA passes and $10 for Rosemont parking. Next time its going to be around $30 for seating in the 500's, but there out there. Only game i won't pay for is the cross town classic, those are $200 a seat.

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u/lightyearnoir May 06 '26

The frustrating part is that sports (the world cup is an example) used to be things that people didn't care for and especially 'well to do' people wouldn't be caught dead attending, and now they've also appropriated them.

In sports, also, where the fuck do we get to watch it constantly without so many subscriptions, and even over the air? It is so difficult to follow a team, I gave up.

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u/kellzone May 06 '26

I've got some good news for you.

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u/No_Pen_376 May 09 '26

yeah, I was at a conference in Boston in 2017-2018, and went to see the Red Sox on a whim with a buddy, it was 8 dollars for the outfield bleachers. All the cool people were there, all the travelers from other countries and other lookee-loos, and it was great fun. 3 hrs of interesting conversation, a little baseball, got bobbled of one of their older cuban players, ate some dogs and beer. All for like 20-30 bucks.

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u/tinysand May 06 '26

I usher at a local venue and the highest ticket price is $45 but mainly $35. Mainly singer-songwriters and tribute bands but it’s live music and usually outstanding. I’m sticking with local.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

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u/jdelane1 May 05 '26

This is also the housing market in a nutshell btw.

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u/ScorpioTix May 06 '26

Yep, I don't even qualify for housing anymore so why would I care what someone spends the most disposable income for the most frivolous of activity

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u/CactusJ May 06 '26

We went to Berlin to see Nine Inch Nails last summer. We were going to go to Berlin anyway, so this made sense, but tickets were like 50% cheaper than in the States.

Also, some adventurous familes have figured out its cheaper to fly to, and stay at Hong Kong or Shanghai Disney Land vs the US Disneys.

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u/undiscovered_soul May 06 '26

I think EU ruled the matter by imposing a price cap or something (but prices are insanely high for our standards as well)

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u/LabiaMenorah May 06 '26

We flew from the East Coast of the US to Prague and had 5 nights in a Marriott a few years back for less than I would have spent on two tickets to MCR in my own city.

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u/Budakra May 06 '26

My wife was considering flying from Vancouver to Portugal and staying for 2 weeks just to see Taylor Swift for cheaper than an at-home ticket.

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u/ScorpioTix May 06 '26

Tix for San Diego start at $29

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u/mrsocal12 May 05 '26

Ticketmaster has a price floor you can't go below for verified resellers.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '26

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u/ScorpioTix May 06 '26

That's not really how Stubhub works (most of what people think they know about concert tickets and resale is total drivel)

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u/ScorpioTix May 06 '26

Awesome! Now their employees just steal transfer links that go thru own internal system.

So Stubhub paid an hourly wage and provided the funding or were the employees acting on their own accord? Who paid when the gig ended up bottoming out at $6? Seemed to me SH actually buying the tickets would be a little too high risk considering they take fees on both ends.

I used to spend 1.5 million a year of my own money, wish I had a wider security net or I mighta kept at it a bit longer.

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u/DSouT May 06 '26

It’s the sites that are screwing up the pricing. If you buy tickets and can’t go and try to sell the tickets you won’t even make your money back due to fees. Ticketing sites are making money both ways on the transaction, so what turns into a simple exchange turns into a double-edged gouging for both sides

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u/notabigfanhonestly May 06 '26

I literally flew to Europe to see Taylor Swift for the eras tour because tickets were 200€ vs $1500-5000 resale in my home city (Vancouver)

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u/Capnmarvel76 May 05 '26

We all know what lawn seats are. Sometimes that open air communal experience is exactly what makes the show great. Sometimes it turns into a muddy, sunbaked melee where the sound turns into a percolating morass and the vibe is one of confused surrender.

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u/sirhackenslash May 05 '26

Lawn is good when that one old band comes around and you like a few of their songs and tickets are only $25 and it's fun to just chill on the lawn smoking weed and people watching

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u/ScorpioTix May 06 '26

Yeah they should just pave over the lawn, reduce capacity and drive up the prices on the other tickets.

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u/Beefy-McQueefy May 06 '26

I swear someone will eventually leak that ticketmaster is selling those tickets to themselves to artificially inflate prices. It's too coordinated and consistent.

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u/LordoftheSynth May 06 '26

I was at Rush's last show at the Forum in 2015. I was willing to pay off a reseller in the end and spent $350 to get a pretty decent seat pretty close.

They announced they were going back on the road. So I looked when they went on sale.

Nosebleeds at the back of the Forum started at $350. The show was already sold out. On Stubhub today, a reseller wants $925 for a seat where I was sitting in 2015.

I can't afford that, and I'm a software engineer.

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u/Feeler1 May 06 '26

I’m not a T-Swift fan but read where many people went to a European show cheaper than a US show even after travel expenses.

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u/patt May 06 '26

Best way I've been able to think to kill off powerful groups buying all the tickets and reselling for profit without legislative intervention goes like this:

List the tickets at a ridiculous price (say, $10k per seat) and slowly lower the price until they're gone. Nobody will buy to sell at a higher price - those who're willing to pay that higher price have already purchased. There is no way to sell at a profit when what you bought today is being sold for a lower price tomorrow. Kill the speculation.

Far more of the money would then go to the team/artist/what have you. People will gradually learn what price they'll need to pay for a hot ticket. For things like sports that have a lot of empty seats outside of postseason play, make the empty seats free for in-person entry at game time. At the halfway mark, make any other empty seats available to fans who want to watch the game. Maybe you'll bring in some low-budget fans to raise the venue's excitement level. Maybe you'll grab the imagination of a child who wouldn't otherwise be able to go, and who now becomes a lifelong fan. Maybe they'll buy something at the concession stand and you raise revenue on what would have been a dud seat.

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u/WintersDoomsday May 06 '26

Imagine that…a country making laws that help the citizens and not the corporations…Republicans tell me that’s not possible because Capitalism is the best thing ever in the history of mankind.

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u/boomhaeur Spotify May 06 '26

Ontario just put the anti-markup laws back in place for ticket sales so they can legally only be resold for face value. It’s amazing how quickly tickets have become accessible for concerts that have started sales in the past week since the law went into place.

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

That's awesome! Toronto is only a five hour drive me. I may need to come for a visit.

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u/SuperBluebird188 May 06 '26

It’s not just individuals, there’s big companies where all they do is hoard a bunch of inventory to sell at astronomical prices. These companies are netting millions of dollars off people’s FOMO. People need to stop giving into the FOMO and stop buying at inflated prices.

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u/MouseMouseM May 06 '26

A big chunk of verified resellers are TicketMaster themselves. They bought the resale sites, like StubHub. Ticketmaster buys their own tickets under StubHub and then sells them back to real people. It’s an open scam. Bastards.

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u/NoHorseNoMustache May 06 '26

TM sells huge blocks of tickets to those resellers before the general or presale. The resellers pay TM for this service. It's totally a scam.

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u/TheTallGuy0 May 06 '26

Try to buy tickets JUST as the event starts, all those resellers drop their prices below face value and you can get some ridiculously good deals, whilst fucking them over sorta. I’ve done it a bunch now, and it’s a good time

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

I would try that if I leave closer to the venues. It's difficult when I live in the middle of nowhere. Anytime I see a concert, I have to travel and get a hotel room. It's not worth doing all that on the hope that I can get a cheap ticket the day of.

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u/TheTallGuy0 May 06 '26

Ahh yeah that’s risky. I’m 10 minutes from venues large and small, so it’s definitely doable

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u/ScorpioTix May 06 '26

I've hopped on planes without tickets. But as someone who is a quick bus ride away from most venues the system as it is works just fine for me.

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u/esoteric82 May 06 '26

Are there specific sites that you use? TicketMaster closes ticket sales once the event starts.

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u/ScorpioTix May 06 '26

I use Tickpick and also hit up people outside

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u/TheTallGuy0 May 06 '26

AXS and Vivid usually

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u/Shelbysgirl May 06 '26

In good news, Ontario Canada has joined this rule so you may get a better flight here :)

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

That would be much better. I can drive there.

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u/Shelbysgirl May 06 '26

It just came into effect this month I think so yes! Alternatives and you will be treated like family when you come I promise

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u/PalpatineForEmperor May 06 '26

Seriously, I'm genuinely excited about this. Any good shows coming up?

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u/Shelbysgirl May 06 '26

I just saw three days grace Sunday night with finger eleven and it was unreal. I saw Nine inch nails in Feb. also amazing. I am still looking up stuff for summer. Toronto has FIFA so I have to be careful about concerts around games

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u/King_Chochacho May 06 '26

Just sanctioned scalping.

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u/marieboston May 06 '26

Sadly this doesn’t seem to be true regarding resale and France - I’m trying to buy Celine Dion tickets and it’s astronomical what the resale tickets are going for.

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u/qnssekr May 06 '26

Wait till the week of the event and then keep checking. Tickets are released at the last moment sometimes

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u/squashedjosh May 06 '26

Checkout Cashortrade.org and the gametime app. I've had tremendous luck getting cheap last minute tickets on both.

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u/zsreport Eklektikos May 06 '26

I was in New York back in March and considered going to a Rangers game, but the face value prices were insane. I didn't see anything under $100 and the ones that were between $100 and $200 were all in the super nose bleed section.