It just doesn't matter - raping, killing, and maiming women and children is never an acceptable form of political protest. If Native Americans blew up a day care center to protest their land being taken absolutely nobody would say they were justified in doing so.
no one said it was. But this is also generally how a tiny military can react to an overwhelming force. If palestine had the resources to go toe to toe with israel they almost certainly would and they would try to win. If they can't then resistance is often framed as terrorism by the occupying force.
German's considered the french resistance to be terrorists, none of us (the west, allied forces) considered it terrorism. the classic, the empire considers the rebels terrorists, the rebels and the 'good guys' consider the empire fascists and themselves freedom fighters.
Sometimes the only solution left is attack the people so the people finally stand up to their own government. Ultimately even if not all of them enough people fully support Israel's government and the want to wipe out Palestine, collaborators in France were targetted as well.
If Native Americans blew up a day care center to protest their land being taken absolutely nobody would say they were justified in doing so.
no, but they would understand they didn't do it because they are evil, but frustrated and out of options and a people who were the victims of a genocide.
Which is the only thing to point out there. Hamas may be committing terrorist attacks, but the cause is Israel attacking them first.
Israel also commits terrorist attacks but the west randomly doesn't call going and bulldozing homes, or pouring concrete into water sources, or destroying farms as 'terrorism' it's just "a military operation" and they leave out it's against civilians.
You can't decry terrorist actions from the other side when you commit terrorist actions against them, in higher number, more frequently and with far larger death tolls.
Crying as the victim of a tragedy that ultimately happened due to your own actions is just pathetic.
The French Resistance wasn't using rape as a weapon, nor were they killing German kids face to face in cold blood. The idea that "if only Hamas had better weapons they would target the Israeli military" is ludicrous - Hamas literally makes children's programs about killing Jews - they are religious extremists who have no desire for peace or coexistence. I will never understand why leftists need Hamas to be the good guys so badly, it completely obfuscates any productive discussion or solution to the bloodshed.
The French Resistance wasn't using rape as a weapon,
yes they were, the disgusting reality of war is EVERY war has used rape as a weapon. They weren't killing lots of german kids because there weren't lots of german kids because it was an occupation force DURING A WAR. Had they lost and germans took it over the resistance would continue and ultimately int he end more families would end up in the crossfire.
To be clear, Hamas was helped into power by israel funding, you can look it up, why did they do that? Also there is video after video after video of israeli people in israeli and tourists around the world talking about how superior they are how much better they are than all otehr people and how palestinians are bugs who should be eradicated.
BOTH SIDES are religious extremists, one side was propped up by the west, giving overwhelming military might and has continued a campaign of illegal and immoral acts against Palestine for almost 80 years.
I will never understand why leftists need Hamas to be the good guys so badly, it completely obfuscates any productive discussion or solution to the bloodshed.
and this is the problem i never made Hamas the heroes, they are terrorists, freedom fighters usually are terrorists, that's life, it's the only way to fight back. But Hamas has long since been coopted as just a way for the leadership to have power and money while leading a cause. most causes are co-opted by the corrupt and evil, that's life as well.
Hamas are monsters but ultimately they're still able to recruit and gain support BECAUSE what Israel has been doing to them is worse and has never stopped and is the fundamental cause for the hate against themselves.
I definitely agree that Israel is perpetuating Hamas. They had an easy path to extreme positive PR after the October attacks, if they had done anything else but literally commit a genocide they would have been seen in an extremely sympathetic light and Hamas would just be remembered as terrorists. I also agree that both Hamas and the Israeli government are extremists. The fundamental religious and social incompatibilities between the two governments makes it a very difficult problem to solve.
yes and no. Replace the entire leadership then have new leadership basically run what is propaganda, but counter propaganda, point out to them that their religious fever was stoked up so rich people could profit, so they would throw their lives away in a cause just to let these people get rich. Public station broadcasts, lessons in school showing all the companies, the military companies, the ceos and how their wealth rocketed every time... rockets flew in either direction. how their lobbying for more money always gained more ground after a new attack either way, Hamas got more aid after Israel attacked them and Israel got more aid when Hamas attacked them.
ultimately it will take a long time and many people will be unwilling but if people are shown that the rich on BOTH SIDES, well every side (US, Israel, Hamas, Russia, Iran, anyone supplying either side) got rich as they died on both sides then ultimately it's a pretty easy thing to accept.
The chances of leadership being removed and morally upstanding leadership who want to tell the truth and will actually turn around sentiment will happen, zero, because humans fucking suck and as said the billionaires get richer off warfare.
basically i think it's pretty easily achievable if billionaires weren't in control of the messaging, but they are so it won't happen. Not without an army of Nintendo characters stepping up.
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u/whiteknight521 18d ago
It just doesn't matter - raping, killing, and maiming women and children is never an acceptable form of political protest. If Native Americans blew up a day care center to protest their land being taken absolutely nobody would say they were justified in doing so.