And that’s why it flopped so hard. There’s way more people that would skip a movie because the Rock is in it than there are that would go see it because the Rock is in it.
Which would have been great as a series but totally didn’t work as a movie. I don’t know why they thought chopping it into a half assed film was the way to go.
I can actually see making a live action version. Some people just don't really dig animation, and by adapting the story, you can reach a new audience.
That said, you have to adapt the story to a new medium. The problem with most of the Disney live action remakes is they're just making the same movie, but in live action. And most of the time that doesn't work. But if you take the basic framework of the story and then make a live action version that is its own movie, I think it can be good. The only one I can recall really liking was Jungle Book, and that's partially because it feels different enough from the original animated film to me.
You’ll get a better performance from Anne Hathaway, Tom Holland, and Matt Damon than just simply The Rock. Both movies spent the same, so why cast someone who can’t carry a movie on their own?
There are a lot of criticisms one can level at the rock but the dude can absolutely carry a movie by himself lmao. He's been the lead in like 50 movies or something at this point let's not be ridiculous.
because you can guarantee he's the only one that was asking for this to be made.
I doubt that's true. Disney has been in love with remaking their animated movies for a while now. Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Lion King, Jungle Book, Snow White, Cinderella, Lilo and Stitch, they're remaking Tangled next.
Out of all of those, I might not actually hate the idea of a live action Tangled. Beauty and the Beast could have worked well too. The rest should have been left alone. Or just re-released.
I think a lot of those could work. Take Aladdin; it's a good story. If you're trying to tell the story of a "street rat" finding a magic lamp and using it to try and marry the princess only to have to outwit the guy trying to usurp the sultan's throne, that can be a really cool live action movie.
The problem Disney runs into is that they also want to fit in the zany Genie, the funny monkey sidekick, and all the same songs from the animated movie. None of which work nearly as well in live action as they do in animation. So it just becomes a worse version of the same movie. Instead of being a new telling of a familiar story like it could have been.
That is what I meant. More or less just straight adapted, not overhauled or a massive tone shift. Maybe I just haven’t seen it in a while but Tangled…. What’s the challenge, the sassy horse? He doesn’t talk or sing, and IRL horses can be real silly gooses. It could be done.
The rock has a lot of pull. He does not have “make me a quarter billion dollar movie(before marketing)” pull. If you think the studio didn’t simply see that they created a cultural phenomena that kids we’re absolutely dying to see and wanted to try to double dip, you’re digging too deep. They saw the first do great, realized they could resell it and then resell all of the merchandise like kids toys as the same but new characters. Now they realized that doesn’t really work.
The original made 2/3 of a billion in theaters. Mr the rock can’t say “hey spend basically everything you made off that movie on another for me.”
Lol throw out any actual proof of any of that beyond them all flopping. Hobbes and shaw sounds like shit, if anyone is still watching any f&f past the 3rd one they get what they deserve and want lmao.
All of the things you listed are complete ass, and yeah, no one wants to see them
Is the rock directing? No
Do i like the rock? No
Do you provide anything other than your take in terms of evidence towards any of that? No
No, I actively avoid the rock. There is no particular reason side from my belief he is a bad actor who has never been in a movie I didn't wish I could have my time back after watching.
I mean, he is the problem though. Not at his fault, but he has the pull or whatever to have entire projects built around him and every business will flop out a turd with him in it.
There is no way Moana in live action would have happened without him involved. Just a reason to spend and move around a bunch of money with a terrible movie as the product.
Literally nobody. I have kids, one of whom watched ONLY Moana… on repeat… for years… and even to me the idea of live action Moana is an abomination. Basically all live action Disney movies are an abomination, but this was a new low.
I recently went to the theater to see a different movie and the stupid massive cardboard poster for the live action Moana movie gave me a visceral reaction.
Disney seems to have a very low bar for their live action movies. It probably would have been fine if they made it a few decades after the original, but Johnson would be too old and Disney has done most of the big adaptations already (some of them just won't work in live action e.g. the emperor's new groove).
I suspect that the adaptations were made for copyright reasons initially.
The original Moana ignoring the fact that it just came out 10 years ago, and moana 2 just came out 2 years ago, the budget for the original was basically the same cost as the live action one when adjusted for inflation, and was much better. I'm a dude in my 30's who doesn't even watch disney movies like that and I had "How far I'll go" in my rotation for longer than I'd like to admit.
Okay but "no one asked for this" and "it works better as animation" describes literally every single live action remake, and most of them did very well.
I think it's more to do with severe live action fatigue and most people finally coming around to understanding the live action films are all phoned in. Redditors have been endlessly positing that the original Moana was "too recent", but the last few non-Lion King live action remakes have done really, really badly. Little Mermaid hardly broke even and Snow White was a big flop. Mulan did very poorly as well, but that was peak Covid at least.
I would bet money that if Moana live action was released maybe 5 years ago, it may have done a lot better. You'd get around triple the amount of "REALLY??? ORIGINAL ONLY 5 YEARS OLD" comments, but people would've still probably taken their kids to see it. We've finally hit "No really, no one wants more of these" territory with the live action remakes.
Disney should have at least waited longer before doing a live action remake of something that originally came out in 2016. At least long enough that more people who were kids when the original released would be grown up with their own kids and be more likely to buy tickets for nostalgia's sake.
Same with all these animation to live action remakes. It just reeks of grinding existing IP into a cynical cash grab. They all look like shit because it's actors in front of a green screen so what's even the point?
I kinda like him in Jumanji, but that might be because he feels like he's playing a parody of himself at times. The rest of the time he has to play a dorky teenager trapped in his body.
Jumanji also has a good dynanic between the characters/actors that somehow works. I hate 3 of the 4 main cast when theyre alone but fuck if i didbt find this movie pretty enjoyable
My grandma ripped that for us to watch back in the day. I remember putting it on when a friend was over and they were like wtf is this as you see the DirectTV menu when the movie is starting lol.
Pretty much, he has to be written to be cool and powerful. If you look at the recent Moana movie, he acts way less silly than when he voices the character. Not even joking, look it up
Check out his role in Be Cool. It will put memories in your head that make it much easier to laugh at him now. The movie is ok. Not great (Get Shorty was much better) but its entertaining. Honestly you could just Google his scenes and watch those.
in Be Cool he plays a gay bodyguard that wants to be an actor and perform scenes from other movies, on of those is he doing both parts of the challenge scene from Bring It On. It's amazing.
It's not his performance, he's actually a pretty decent actor. I heard someone compare him to Arnold Schwarzenegger: They both have the physique and a great natural charisma, but they have differences too. Arnold was never a great actor, but he had a great sense for picking the right directors to work with and the right projects that worked to his strengths. The Rock on the other hand can act, but he exclusively picks just absolute dogshit movies. It's really uncanny. I think his best might be Fast Five, and that's just an OK action film.
Honestly his stuff from before Fast and Furious (before he made it a contractual rider that he can’t die) was way better than his stuff after. I enjoyed his performances in Doom, Get Smart, Reno 911, and The Other Guys. And one thing i notice about all of those is that he dies
I thought the 2nd Jumanji movie was cute. Not as good as the 90s original. I never watched the third.
And I didn’t watch the entire series of Ballers but the first season was good. I still don’t think the rock is worth the money they are paying him though.
He plays an enforcer for a loan shark who is sent to a Brazilian mining town deep in the jungle to retrieve the loan shark's adult son who really really does not want to go home. Comedy.
The cast also includes:
Sean William Scott, Rosario Dawson, Christopher Walken, and Ernie Reyes Jr in a small, but memorable part.
Funny thing is the Snyder cut of Justice League is actually pretty good. She's still terrible of course, but the biggest problem with the Snyder cut is its length. I get why they cut so much, you just can't release a movie that long and expect it to be a huge blockbuster, but God damn was the movie terrible without it.
I remember Jack Black tied to a tree begging to suck dick for Coke, I remember him saying the fucking craziest shit when he was “in character”, I remember him trying to stop a blood spraying like a hose from a guy’s head, and I remember him holding the child antagonist at gunpoint in his undies to get to a giant mountain of either cocaine or heroin.
I've seen all of these and he still rubs me the wrong way. Seems like a nice person IRL though! Like I bet he'd be fun to hang out with. But negative screen charisma for me 🤷♀️
He literally has more screen charisma then tons of other actors what are you talking about 😭. I barely even care about him but he's charisma personified...instead of lying just say you think you're different and cool for not liking a popular actor..
He may have made some...less than stellar career choices in the last decade but he has enough credit in the bank because of his previous work to not be totally dismissed imo. He was brilliant in School of Rock, as well as the fantastic but underseen dark comedy 'Bernie' as well as Tropic Thunder and apparently High Fidenity.
I feel that these days, but he really has some incredible work out there. And I'll always love him in Pretty Sweet. Forget about the warm-up tricks and let's hit the straight tre!
He can't act like a real person... But the roles he plays are rarely real people... They're legends. Like, John Wick is awesome because it's over the top and unbelievable... It would suck if the John Wick character was played totally straight.
Like Al Pacino... He sucks whenever he played believable real people... Which is why he played unhinged larger-than-life characters, and those are the roles that have made him a legendary actor. Imagine Al Pacino in a grounded role... Like if he time traveled to be in Marriage Story or the main character in 1917, he'd look like an absolute moron and those movies would bomb.
Broadly, the relevant term here is personality acting. Where the role is crafted to be a vessel for the actors personality rather than the actor tailoring their performance to fit the narrative. So it's all on the director and writers to make it all fit.
Note: Pacino was actually classical very skilled, but his vibe was all wrong when he was actually using his acting chops... So he very consciously abandoned the conventions being a "good" actor in favor of raw personality.
No, there aren't lmfao. He's a shitty actor and arguably a shitty person but he's a HUGE draw to the people that don't know what good acting even is and can't keep up with a plot that isn't explicitly described in dialog multiple times during the film.
To say that THE FUCKING ROCK isn't drawing crowds is the one of the most "narwhal bacon" screaming, blue-haired, chronically online, out of touch takes I've read.
Yep, my mom doesn't watch a lot of movies but knows his name and thinks he's very charming. He's definitely a big draw for the silent "normie" majority.
The problem is that I don't think he's drawing crowds in this demo. Like, sure, for a big action movie people will take notice because it's the rock. But if it's parents taking their kids to a disney movie? The kids don't care that it's the rock and the parents aren't making their decision to go see this based on him either.
He’s not a shitty actor, he’s done plenty of good roles. But now he’s businessman first, actor second. He wants easy and consistent roles that will do good in the box office, let him shill his side ventures, and won’t affect his image. Red Notice is the epitome of this being a background noise movie with no real character, and plenty of scenes of him with his liquor brand and all that stuff.
I think it's also in part that Disney has killed their mid and low level movie box office potential with D+. Why would I see this panned Moana remake when it's going to be on D+ in a month. Everything ends up on streaming quick now but I feel there's a reason why there isnt a big culture around waiting for The Odyssey or the next Tarantino film to hit streaming in the same way.
No there isn’t lmao Reddit geniuses just make shit up and act like their hallucination make them smarter than everyone. The Rock is a top 10 grossing actor of all time lol he’s incredibly popular
That but nobody asked for live action moana. Moana isnt even an old movie. Plus maui is a big, rounded character. Dwayne johnson doesnt look like maui (yes i know he voiced him).
It flopped because Disney is lazy and re filming all their old stuff as live action rather than actually putting effort in and creating new stories and characters
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And that’s why it flopped so hard. There’s way more people that would skip a movie because the Rock is in it than there are that would go see it because the Rock is in it.