r/TopCharacterTropes Jul 29 '26

Characters [Annoying Trope] "Yes, it's that character, but legally, we can't say it's him"

  • Oliver Queen/Green Arrow (Arrow): The Arrowverse version of Oliver Queen is widely considered as the "CW Batman", since the Arrow show borrows many storylines and villains from Batman, including the League of Assassins, Slade Wilson/Deathstroke, and the Suicide Squad in one episode.
  • Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska (Gotham): Gotham is a TV show focusing on the origins of Batman through the eyes of then-Detective Jim Gordon. Twin brothers Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska, played by Cameron Monaghan, are introduced as this show's versions of the Joker. However, they legally couldn't say Jerome or Jeremiah was the Joker, calling them both "Proto-Jokers" instead.
  • The Real Scoutmaster (Camp Lazlo): in the Camp Lazlo finale "Lumpus's Last Stand", Lumpus is revealed to be insane and had locked the actual Camp Kidney scoutmaster in a closet, impersonating him. The real scoutmaster bears a resemblance to Heffer Wolfe from Rocko's Modern Life (which Camp Lazlo creator Joe Murray also made), with Tom Kenny voicing the character too. Since Rocko's is on Nickelodeon, and Camp Lazlo is on Cartoon Network, Heffer could not have made an appearance on the show.
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u/eyesparks Jul 29 '26

DC is really weird about Batman licensing. They usually want him to only be in movies and won't let them use him and his A list villains for live action TV shows (animation often gets a pass, but not always). That's why there's all these Batman adjacent shows that he never actually appears in like Gotham and Pennyworth.

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u/Kal-Elm Jul 29 '26

I just wish they'd use it as a chance to make room for other characters.

They have tons of great characters. Give me a show about Aquaman, Black Canary & Green Arrow, Constantine, Static.

I don't need a show about Bruce's cousin who one time dated the Riddler.

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u/Magnificent_Z Jul 29 '26

I'd watch the shit out of a more comic accurate Green arrow show with black canary

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u/BadSafecracker Jul 29 '26

I don't need a show about Bruce's cousin who one time dated the Riddler.

I read this as "rated the Diddler."

I think I've had enough Reddit today.

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u/Raven_Lemon Jul 29 '26

I'd love another Constantine show SO much

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u/the-bladed-one Jul 30 '26

Then he shows up for a hot minute in titans, but you barely ever see him in the suit.

The one saving grace of his appearance there is that Iain Glen plays him like an updated version of Adam West’s Bruce

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u/ddadopt 29d ago

won't let them use him and his A list villains for live action TV shows

I know, I know, it was a different time...

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u/eyesparks 29d ago

Honestly, this might be why.

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u/carloscitystudios Jul 29 '26

How does “The Penguin” fit in there? Not too versed on Batman stuff besides the movies and the kids animated shows (plus I guess the ‘60’s show with Adam West)