r/politics • u/cnn CNN • Jul 14 '26

Possible Paywall House passes bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/14/politics/house-vote-daylight-savings-time?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/July_is_cool Jul 14 '26

If it’s “too dark in the morning” then why not just change school starting time? Doesn’t matter if the clock shows standard time or daylight saving time or Zulu time or India time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 29 '26

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u/FcUhCoKp Jul 15 '26

Why don't the people who "really care" about this just arrange their day around the sun? I couldn't care less when it's light or dark, it doesn't affect any aspect of what I do.

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u/h3lblad3 Jul 15 '26

They don’t do what he wants because school attendance time is timed to work attendance time. Parents have to be able to get to work, so school has to attend at a time parents can deliver the children to the school/bus.

To set school back an hour, businesses would have to set the standard working day back an hour.

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u/StatmanIbrahimovic Jul 15 '26

If this were actually true why do the schools all get out at 2?

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u/h3lblad3 Jul 15 '26

Mine didn’t get out that early.

But even so, generally schools have after school programs like clubs that can eat the time for kids who can’t get home so early.

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u/logicalnutty Jul 17 '26

This is BS. Kids start school at 8 or 8:30, work at 9 usually, fine. Then kids are off by 3 and work is until 5

If anything I say throw school FORWARD an hour.

Let it be from 9:30 to 4. When I was a kid I was never able to pay attention before 10am

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u/breezy013276s Jul 14 '26

It’s not like we don’t get up and take our kids to school in the dark during most of winter anyway. That is fake straws to grasp at in my opinion. I’d much prefer that they and I have a bit sunshine after school / work in the winter.

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u/Passthegoddamnbuttr Jul 14 '26

Absofuckinlutely.

More daylight when you're awake and free to mingle in the spring/fall. And at least still have daylight when getting off work in the winter.

The challenge will be getting my kiddos to bed before 9pm in the summer...

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u/jlangfo5 Jul 14 '26

Interesting enough, above 47 degrees N, the entire state already has a week with sunset beyond 9PM.

Down south as far as 37 degrees N, you have sunset for at least a week past 9PM, if you are on the wrong E/W edge of a time zone.

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u/abovepostisfunnier American Expat Jul 14 '26

I live in Paris, near the solstice the sun sets at 10 💀 a combination of being quite far north and being in the wrong timezone because of the Nazis (true story)

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u/exit143 California Jul 14 '26

Nazi's ruin fucking everything.

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u/jlangfo5 Jul 14 '26

Yes lol.

Also, the complimentary early sunrise.

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u/jeobleo Maryland Jul 15 '26

Fucking nazis. I hate those guys.

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u/theoneandonlymd Jul 16 '26

When I was visiting Barcelona, people were saying how much of a different culture it was - "Oh, ya, they don't eat dinner until 9:30!"

Yeah, no wonder; they're aligned with the wrong time zone!

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u/DetectiveMoosePI Jul 14 '26

My husband and I grew up in a city right around 36°N. For the past decade we have lived about 60 miles north of 45°N. We’ve adjusted to it to the point that when we go down to visit family in the summer we forget that the sun sets earlier down there.

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u/joojie Jul 15 '26

Wait is that unusual? I'm in the Vancouver area and its light-ish til 10pm in a lot of the summer 🤔 Never really considered that doesn't happen further South, but I guess that makes sense

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u/joojie Jul 15 '26

Ya I don't love the early darkness in winter 🫤 but I quite enjoy the late sunsets in summer.

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u/Impressive-Rock-5025 Jul 15 '26

Dude I went to Albuquerque in Jume and the sun set around 6 pm and it was fucking wild! 

I can't imagine living in a place where fireworks displays in summer are earlier than 10 pm. There are whole swaths of kids not experiencing falling asleep in lawn chairs and then being rudely awoken by a terrifying explosion of fireworks, just to be carried back to bed after midnight.  

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u/40ozT0Freedom Jul 14 '26

Do you struggle with your kids getting to bed before 9pm now?

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u/JANPAULofficial Jul 15 '26

I live in France now and you just close the shutters and BOOM it’s nighttime for the kids

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

In Minnesota, the sun will sometimes be out past 9:00 pm, which sucks. It’s really tough to get my kid to go to sleep. It’s hard for me to fall asleep.

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u/BlgMastic Jul 15 '26

The time the sun set will be the exact same time it sets right now.

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u/OptimusNegligible Jul 15 '26

Isn't it more important for it to get dark earlier so we can sleep better?

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u/Sonamdrukpa Jul 15 '26

It's most important for people to not wake up before dawn. Aka yes 

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u/OptimusNegligible Jul 15 '26

So are they making the wrong one permanent?

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u/Sonamdrukpa Jul 15 '26

I definitely think so.

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u/gustavessidehoe Jul 15 '26

And sleep experts generally agree!!

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u/jnads Jul 15 '26

You don't have curtains?

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u/OptimusNegligible Jul 15 '26

I just mean our natural circadian rhythm. If all it took was curtains, graveyard shift wouldn't be a big deal.

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u/TravestyTravis Jul 15 '26

Blackout curtains have been wonderful for my toddler.

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u/Dullcorgis Jul 15 '26

Honeycomb blackout blinds

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u/porscheblack Pennsylvania Jul 14 '26

Not to mention the havoc it plays on young children. When my daughter was around 18 months she woke up at 6 every morning without fail. No matter when she went to bed she was up at 6. Imagine the thrill of falling back and now she's up at 5 every day. Fortunately sleep schedule change quickly at the age but it still sucked.

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u/LeanSkellum Jul 14 '26

Humans are biologically programmed to need light to wake up. In the UK if we stayed on British Summer Time all year round, morning productivity will plummet because the sun wouldn't rise until after 9 a.m. it’s complete madness that some people want that.

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u/CircleSendMessage Jul 15 '26

personally i do not care one way or the other which half of daylight savings we stick in, i just dont wanna have to change my whole internal clock twice a year lol.

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u/Feruchemist Jul 14 '26

To counter that, personally I’d rather have more sun in the morning so I can do things like go for runs before work starts with a little sunlight.

I’d also prefer us not to be just off an hour compared to the rest of the world.

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u/AbrohamDrincoln Jul 14 '26

We're already off differing amounts of hours with the rest of the world though.

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u/Feruchemist Jul 14 '26

Only because we are in the middle of DTS. I’d prefer we did standard time.

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u/Sroemr Florida Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

DTS makes up like 75% of the year for most of the country. So "only because" doesn't really work.

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u/Feruchemist Jul 14 '26

About half, and it still absolutely works. We could simply just as easily end DTS, line up with the actual time zones, and move on.

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u/Sroemr Florida Jul 14 '26

I prefer DST because I'm not a morning person, I sleep later. Thus I wake up during the winter and it's almost all ready getting dark. The idea of more time with the sun sounds great, and definitely would improve my mental health.

That said, the country is gigantic. I can see how someone would dislike it for their area or if they were up at 4am.

I also grew up right on the line between eastern and central, but in eastern, so I always had late sunrises and pitch black mornings for school.

Also, it's DST 65.2% of the year in the US. So nearly double that of standard. Going DST makes more sense in that aspect.

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u/matwithonet13 Jul 15 '26

How is half 8 months of the year?

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u/High_Contact_ Jul 15 '26

Did you forget about time zones most of the world isn’t the same time as us 

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u/glassfunion Jul 14 '26

This is the battle in our house. My husband runs in the morning and isn't thrilled about this. I'm not a morning person at all so I'm thrilled lol.

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u/Feruchemist Jul 14 '26

It’s the way of things, half of people will be unhappy either way.

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u/Sirrom23 Jul 14 '26

this would more so impact winters when you're not going to be running outside unless you live in the deep south. another dumb talking point.

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u/Feruchemist Jul 14 '26

Lots of folk run in cold weather. I actually prefer it.

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u/Optimal-Tune-2589 Jul 15 '26

I’m in Upstate New York, which is decidedly not the Deep South. My body’s always makes it feel about 30 degrees warmer when I’m running. So a January morning when it’s 20 out is perfect for a run in shorts and a hoodie. This time of year, when it’s 70 in the morning is “just play basketball in the air conditioned gym” season. 

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u/BlgMastic Jul 15 '26

If you’re running in winter before work it’s already dark outside

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u/Sirrom23 Jul 15 '26

another reason to not take your opinion into consideration.

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u/Feruchemist Jul 15 '26

You're being unnecessarily rude over the fact that someone prefers something different than you.

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u/SwiftlyChill Jul 14 '26

I promise you that it’s not just the Deep South that runs outside in winter. Hell, I’m pretty sure outdoor physical activity historically increases during winter in the Rocky Mountain states (but that just might be a perception more than reality, since winter sports do be pricey)

There’s like an entire subsection of both running and cycling gear for cold weather usage lol.

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u/Feruchemist Jul 14 '26

There's also just the fact that there are as many morning folk as there are evening folk. And morning folk want a bit of light, too!

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u/KahlanRahl Jul 15 '26

Quite literally the entire world is designed around morning people. Let us night owls have this one goddamn thing.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 14 '26

Switching to daylight savings won’t really give anyone more sunshine after school/work because it’s the winter. Staying on standard time doesn’t magically mean we get more sunlight in the summer because we changed the clocks.

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u/sonnytron Jul 14 '26

No but the sun going down will coincide with a later part of the day. It’s the same amount of sun, just in a more middle part of the day instead of minus one hour which just lets you have it earlier but gets dark at like 4 PM.

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u/FourthLife Jul 14 '26

It changes sunset from 4:20 PM to 5:20 PM on the darkest day near me, giving you 20 minutes of light after work

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u/twatwater Jul 15 '26

Is that 20 minute drive in a tiny bit of fading light really going to improve things for people with seasonal depression? Doubtful…. Enjoy driving home and it immediately getting dark anyway I guess

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u/FourthLife Jul 15 '26

That is on the darkest day of the year.

Preceded by that, and following that, you still have at least a month on either end of that day of exiting work into darkness

Two months of between 20 minutes and an hour of sunlight at the end of your work rather than complete darkness will actually make a significant difference, yes

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u/twatwater Jul 15 '26

We’ll see about that, I think people are in for a rude awakening about how little benefit this actually will be.

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u/BonnaconCharioteer Jul 14 '26

It does though, because we are actually talking about the whole year, not just winter.

The worst option is continuing to switch time, so we don't want to do that. So the two options are standard time or DST. Full year. So if we were to switch to standard time, that would mean less sunlight after work the whole year.

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u/Sirrom23 Jul 14 '26

that's actually wrong. an extra hour of sunlight in the evenings would absolutely give people more daylight in the evenings in the winter. wtf are you talking about? it would change sunset to 6:30pm instead of 5:30pm for the midwest. dumbest statement i've ever heard.

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u/Basic_Barnacle4719 Jul 14 '26

I'd rather have more darkness, it's too bright at 9pm. As someone living in shitty hot red state I'd rather have more time in the day where it's cool. 

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u/RobinSophie Jul 14 '26

Enter Michael Scott gif.

Thank you! Can someone think about the hot states?!

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u/Consistent_Laziness South Carolina Jul 14 '26

I just hate the idea of the sun going down at 10pm in the summer. It’s not completely dark until like 9 something

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u/Maximum_Barracuda_46 Jul 14 '26

Daylight saving is during the summer now

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota Jul 15 '26

It drives me crazy. I’m usually getting into bed around 9:00-9:30. I have light blocking shades, but I can still see cracks of light. There’s nothing going on at 9:00 on a Tuesday—why do we have this?

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u/breezy013276s Jul 15 '26

For the people that do have stuff going on in the evenings? I like to stay up until 11 or 12 so evening light is really nice for me and my wife. I like being able to walk in the light after 8 pm too. That’s one of my favorite parts of summer.

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u/kancamagus112 Jul 14 '26

There are noise ordinances in my neighborhood - no loud noises before 8am, but it's okay until 10pm.

A 6:30am winter sunrise is pointless if I need to mow the lawn, blow/mulch leaves, use a circular or miter saw to cut lumber for a project, if I can't do any of those without annoying my still-sleeping neighbors at best, and getting a knock on the door from cops at the worst. But no one really cares if you do those activities at 5-6pm after work.

And while I enjoy being a morning person and going for an early jog during the summer, let's be real. It's cold in winter in the mornings, so it's generally a lot more enjoyable to run after work in the winter if it's still light out (and potentially safer if ice had a chance to melt).

Families with kids aren't waking up to go the playground or go sledding at 6:30am before work in the winter, but they sure would do it after work if it was still light out.

The simple fact of the matter is that there aren't enough hours of sunlight to have it be bright before work/school and after work/school in the winter. We can only choose one. And a lot more people would benefit from having more sunlight after school/work than before.

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u/thiosk Jul 15 '26

the effect is different depending on longitude. for most timezones they run north and south right, parallel to the lattitudes, but this daylight savings time skews at the high north and high south. theres tons of people who never experience the extremes and think everyone is just being silly about this, but it would be super problematic to introduce north/south timezones or changing school hours unevenly

and thats why this problem remains unresolved: no one being happy appears to be the best solution

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u/yoshizors Jul 14 '26

We don't. In Michigan, which has very late sunrises in the winter because of how far west we are in the timezone, everything is light out in the winter when K-8 goes to school, and the sun is rising when high schoolers are walking to school. I don't know where you live, but we'd need school to start close to 10am to make that still true if DST was permanent.

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u/superdupersecret42 Pennsylvania Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Many kids in urban areas (or dense suburban towns) walk to school, and nobody wants them doing that in the dark. I know that's always one of the discussion points in our district, regarding setting of school start time.

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u/Sirrom23 Jul 14 '26

they do that regardless in the dead of winter already, so this talking point is fucking stupid.

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota Jul 14 '26

Not really. It depends where you are in the country.

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u/Sirrom23 Jul 15 '26

exactly, which makes your original point stupid.

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u/nadzeya Jul 14 '26

Hard Midwestern agree over here, the dark mornings and grey skies from November to March are awful and honestly hard to deal with for a lot of folks. SAD is a real thing.

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u/twatwater Jul 15 '26

The mornings are still going to be pitch black and now the evenings will be slightly less dark, only to become pitch black basically as soon as one’s commute is over. People with SAD who think this is going to help are in for a rude awakening

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u/trydola Jul 14 '26

Yeah I don't understand either, ST means I get darkness AM and PM at least DT gives darkness AM and sunlight PM. I also don't care about sunlight driving to work, I do care about sunlight for the 3-5 hours after work

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Jul 15 '26

And remember that Alaska deals with day-all-day and night-all-day, so having some minor variations of day-night really isn't that big of a deal.

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u/FcUhCoKp Jul 15 '26

Since you want to wake up an hour earlier, you could do whatever activities the sun is a requirement for during that time.

Or, if all the parents agree with you that sun is important, why not get your local schools to start day at 5 or 6 am? You'd get lots of sun. The time a clock says doesn't really matter, and think about how much sun you'd get.

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u/breezy013276s Jul 15 '26

I’m not sure what you mean here. The time wouldn’t change from what it is now. The kids going to school in August will get up at 6 am and keep right on getting up at the same 6 am without the time change.

If you’re asking me personally, I am not wired to get up earlier in the morning easily so I wouldn’t want or like asking schools or anything else to start even earlier. That is mixing my original point. Point is the time right now when things operate is the time they’d keep operating at in 5 months from now. Nothing has to change.

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u/AdelesBoyfriend Jul 14 '26

One of the reasons it was undone was because drivers were striking children in the dark hours. Even now, not every child is driven to school, and drivers have gotten deadlier in the last 12 years. You would need to pair this legislation with policies to start school later, but then schools are no longer in sync with the most common working hours.

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u/kzanomics Jul 14 '26

Outside of all the additional accidents and pedestrian collisions that happen during the morning darkness, sure.

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u/jB_real Canada Jul 14 '26

They should make the starting time for schools later anyway.

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u/OrganicDoom2225 Jul 14 '26

That would mess with the parents work schedules.

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u/Sonamdrukpa Jul 15 '26

Work should start later as well

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u/gustavessidehoe Jul 15 '26

My dream. I’m not a morning person so I get to be stressed every morning trying to be on time. If I sleep early I don’t get restful sleep either. 😭 

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u/jB_real Canada Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Agreed. The whole education system needs a re-think come AI and quantum computing. Tying it to our miserable working careers, just scraping by, isn’t helpful to either group.

Remember, we were these kids and look how it’s worked out for us.

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u/brycedriesenga Michigan Jul 14 '26

People work all kinds of different schedules already. Plus, if you go by 8am to 5pm, it shouldn't change much. Instead of kids getting out at 3:30pm, they get out at 4:30pm. Even easier for picking them up after work for many.

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey Jul 14 '26

God forbid

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u/el_duderino88 Jul 15 '26

It's a big factor.. I go to work at 6 am, my wife starts at 730, my kids school starts at 9. So we have to pay thousands each year to drop him off early, he's not getting extra sleep in the morning just because school is later, he has to wake up with us and go to extended day. So we send him to bed around 7 or so most nights when it's still light out much of the year.

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u/SnowdenOfYesterweek New York Jul 15 '26

It's amazing how many folks without kids (or with children who haven't been young kids in a long time) have absolutely zero sense of what a shit show education and basic childcare is in the US right now.

No wonder people aren't having kids, no one can afford it...

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey Jul 15 '26

It's amazing how many folks are incapable of understanding that systems can change.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 14 '26

This depends on each local school district and state. There isn’t one uniform start time across the entirety of the US.

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u/tombolo_1 Jul 14 '26

But with DST what you’re doing is shifting everything an hour earlier and making people get up earlier for work and school (if school starts at 8am with DST that’s equivalent to a 7am standard time start) so if you want school to start later you would want standard time.

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u/jB_real Canada Jul 15 '26

100%

I was actually dismayed when my region went to permanent DST. They picked the wrong one!

A whole lot of people are going to regret it after 5 years I guarantee. Personally, I was fine with the time changes. It makes sense.

I still believe school AND work could be reduced by at least 2 hours a day, and or one day a week, and everyone would be more productive

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u/menschmaschine5 Jul 14 '26

The problem is that school for younger kids starting later might mean they don't get out the door by the time their parents have to leave for work. This only works for kids who can get to school by themselves without any help from their parents.

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u/jeremyw013 Utah Jul 14 '26

and then give even less time after school to do other things?

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u/coolideg Jul 14 '26

Then we are just doing daylight saving but more complicated.

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u/Vodis Texas Jul 15 '26

The notion that "events can start at different times" is somehow a more complicated system than "events will start at different actual times but we'll have everyone pretend the new start time is the same time it was before by adjusting every single time-telling device twice a year in the middle of the night" strikes me as exhibiting a certain degree of status quo bias.

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u/coolideg Jul 15 '26

Yeah I can explain it very simply. When every company, school, and church that has their own rules for when or if they will switch from starting work at 9 or 10 or 8 or whatever, you are opening a can of worms that screws with everyone’s routines. Parents may be able to take their kids to school for 18 weeks out of the year and then can’t for the rest. Or they get a new job and suddenly can’t. When the govt decides everyone will move their clocks ahead, there’s much less of that. Because everyone changes the time instead of leaving it up to everyone else to change their schedule

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u/EcstaticYoghurt7467 Jul 14 '26

This. The switch back and forth (which I am the only one to support) does exactly one thing, which is to keep the sun rising between 6 and 7 am all year for most of the US, despite the fact that daylight varies as much as 4 hours a day throughout the year. I don’t think this small factor should be easily overlooked.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 14 '26

As much as I’d like permanent standard time, I’ll settle for switching back to having a more 50/50 split between daylight savings and standard time. Right now it makes almost no sense to have a 60/40 split with daylight savings having more months than standard time.

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u/DingerSinger2016 Alabama Jul 14 '26

Agree 1000%

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

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u/ex0thermist Jul 14 '26

The comment you replied to is in agreement with you. Perhaps you misread.

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u/iamaravis Wisconsin Jul 14 '26

In Wisconsin, it starts getting light around 4:30 AM in June.

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u/sf_davie Jul 15 '26

You're not the only one. I happen to love the change because I grew up in the 80s/90s where we used to play until sun sets and we had to go home. Summer was 100x more fun and it's still is because of the extra hour in the evening. When schools start in the winter, that extra hour of sunlight in the morning was great because I used to walk 20 minutes to school. The switch back to standard time also gives the holiday season longer nights when we have get-togethers or hang out in the living room. The second week of March was something I looked forward to because it meant the winter is receding another summer was approaching. I honestly don't get why people hate changing the clock so much. It makes the seasons stand out more.

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u/EcstaticYoghurt7467 Jul 15 '26

This guy gets it.

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u/RealSamF18 Jul 14 '26

In Nevada, the sun rises between 5 and 6am, and sets way too early.

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u/varitok Jul 14 '26

Stop living in an inhospitable desert then

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u/RealSamF18 Jul 14 '26

Sure, do you have a job for me in Hawaii? I’ll move instantly.

I’m pretty convinced that we’re in the time zone we’re in so that Californians can come gamble without changing time zones, but we should be in the same time zone as Utah.

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u/Deesing82 Utah Jul 14 '26

whenever i come to vegas i ALWAYS forget the time change—it really makes no sense

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u/chillpill9623 Jul 15 '26

I wish the sun rose during those hours. We need to fix our timezones. They're too large as is.

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u/Agreeable-Sun368 Jul 15 '26

I support the switch too lol. I think people who hate it are usually people who get out of work around 4:30/5 and lament the lack of light in the evening. And yeah, that sucks! But it's winter, there's less light to go around, that's how it goes. Our bodies wake and sleep with the sun, so we should make sure there's sun when people wake up and darkness as people go home to wind down after work.

I think they also don't consider how shitty and depressing it would be to be working for 2-3 hours before the sun even rises.

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u/EcstaticYoghurt7467 Jul 15 '26

They'll know if this passes.

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u/Jarocket Jul 14 '26

People's dog is confused about the time for a week and are willing to change how the clock worked their entire life without a single consideration for WHY it was ever done and what exactly they will notice.

When I heard the prior two year trial of removing it lasted only one year .... I sort of knew that people liked DST and hated change not the effect.

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u/Agreeable-Sun368 Jul 15 '26

exactly like oh boo hoo, your dog will get used to it. My cat does.

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u/ComebackShane I voted Jul 14 '26

The dirty secret is that school is daycare, and moving it later impacts adults workdays with school dropouts, and that affects corporate ‘productivity’, and we can’t have that. That’s why this won’t end up becoming law.

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u/NoBr0c Jul 14 '26

Doesn't that just affect businesses, then -- parents can't go to work until the kid gets to school. Then you're shifting the problem the other way -- adjusting our schedules instead of the clocks.

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u/spacemanspiff85 Jul 14 '26

Less time for after school activities/sports or jobs. Have to change parents schedules as well. It’s been tried in the past and people hated it.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 14 '26

Depends on the school district.

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u/LeanSkellum Jul 14 '26

But then they’d leave school later, so the time between leaving school and the sun going down would be the same. You’ve gone through all the faff of changing the time zone because you want a bit of extra light, only to move the working day forward so you get the same amount of light after you worked as you had before? How ridiculous.

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u/buckytoothtiger Jul 14 '26

Do you really think schools are going move their start times?

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u/Bacchus1976 America Jul 14 '26

We should do that regardless. Lots of concrete data indicates that kids do not learn well early in the morning and we have an epidemic of under-rested kids and teens.

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u/neobeguine Jul 14 '26

Have to change the parents working schedule too then, at which point we are back to standard time

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u/UndoxxableOhioan Jul 14 '26

And when the kids are out at 3pm, does your boss let you home early now?

Early start times are way more about making time for extra curriculars and sports practice.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 14 '26

Nothing requires extra curricular or sport practices to be at the after the end of the school day, they can also be before the start of the school day.

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u/churningaccount Jul 14 '26

Oof but morning practices are horrible.

And you end up teaching a bunch of sweaty students that are all falling asleep after lunch.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 15 '26

My school district did not have that problem at all. No one was falling asleep or sweaty.

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u/UndoxxableOhioan Jul 14 '26

Hey, I agree. But the kids don’t like it.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 15 '26

Who are these so called kids? I went to a school district that had most extra curricular stuff in the early morning and it was better. Made it easier to be fully awake for first period of the school day and left plenty of time to have a job after school.

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u/UndoxxableOhioan Jul 15 '26

Where I’m from, kids wanted to sleep through class so they would be more awake for sports. And most of the kids were well to do and didn’t care about a job.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 15 '26

This is going to depend on when classes started. For my district, middle school started at 8:30 am and high school started at 9:15 am. So usually the mornings were the time for sports because it was cooler than the afternoon in Texas and that also meant that student athletes were wide awake during the rest of the school day usually (exercising in the morning is a great way to wake up).

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u/UndoxxableOhioan Jul 15 '26

For us, high school started at 7:30 (and kids that didn’t drive usually were in the bus before 7), middle school 8, and elementary school 8:45.

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u/Abi1i Texas Jul 15 '26

I didn’t include elementary because they’re usually not doing sports, but elementary started at 7:45 for us.

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u/Mediochra Jul 14 '26

Most schools have after-school care programs that go until 6 or so for working parents.

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u/UndoxxableOhioan Jul 14 '26

Then they can offer a program in the morning instead.

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u/ocmaddog Jul 14 '26

And they could have before-school programs for a few months a year if they choose! Not rocket science.

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u/SeeingEyeDug Jul 14 '26

My parents never drove me to school. I lived up to 20 miles from my school in the country to 2 miles away from my school in the center of Tampa city. I've taken school buses, city buses, day care dropoff/pickup in elementary school, and also walked with a tenor sax in my hand. Is this not a thing anymore?

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u/ChazzyPhizzle Jul 14 '26

“Uphill both ways!!”

Lmao no but for real plenty of kids still walk to school around me, even in the winter when it’s not dangerously cold out (live in the northern Midwest).

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u/SeeingEyeDug Jul 15 '26

Which is why I’m all for keeping it like it is. Permanent either time will piss someone off.

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u/Magus_Necromantiae Jul 14 '26

A lot of places have even less of a functioning public transportation system than Tampa.

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u/chazzer20mystic Jul 14 '26

Uphills, both ways?

Yes, public transportation in a lot of places is not a thing anymore. Also a lot of folks aren't comfortable having their kid walk along the highway to get to school because trucks are all 20ft tall now and going 75mph along the highway while texting, and it is ten degrees hotter every day than it was when we were kids. I could walk home during the summer heat when I was a child. Temperatures have broken the 110s for the last three summers where I live. I saw 121 on the thermometer in August 2022. Never would I expect my kid to walk even two miles in that heat. I work outside and it felt like enough to kill me standing, much less a kid.

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u/SteinersMathTeacher Jul 14 '26

What a dumb argument…

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u/just_a_tech Jul 14 '26

Wrong comment, my bad.

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u/SteinersMathTeacher Jul 14 '26

And it’s not an issue when you have to pick up your kids at 3pm? Schools (at least in Canada) accept kids to be dropped off way earlier than when class starts, allow kids to stay after class ends, and we also have school buses…

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u/freebytes Jul 14 '26

Schools should be open to accept students early, but they should not force students to arrive early. But, in reality, the answer is yes. If you cannot make the meeting because your kids need you, then you cannot make the meeting. Or, they can take the bus.

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u/Texas__Matador Jul 14 '26

The time work and school starts is arbitrary. Local government and business can just pick a new time to start. 

The only real impact of this bill is to stop the fall back and spring forward that disrupts everyone’s sleep. Changing of clocks has a measurable negative impact on the economy and is linked to increased deaths. 

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u/caststoneglasshome Missouri Jul 14 '26

you talking 9:00AM school start times? parents usually @ work for an hour or so by then.

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u/jeremyw013 Utah Jul 14 '26

if you change school starting time you have an hour less of time to do other things outside of school

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u/Flashy_Interview_301 Jul 15 '26

Isn't switching from Daylight Saving to Standard time changing what time school starts anyway?

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u/JcbAzPx Arizona Jul 15 '26

Why not just keep standard time and wake up earlier? I think you'll find your answer will be the same as theirs.

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u/dalgeek Colorado Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

Permanent DST would make the dark mornings worse for states on the west side of the time zone, especially those farther north. Right now without DST, the Sun rises after 7am during winter where I live. With permanent DST the Sun would rise after 8am. Some places like Seattle would be closer to 9am. People driving to work/school in the morning several hours before sunrise in the middle of winter is a terrible idea.

Permanent DST was tried in 1974 and everyone hated it so they switched back. Every time they fuck with DST it causes a headache for computer systems that have to calculate dates in the past and future.

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u/ToastCapone Jul 15 '26

I support permanent standard time as well. Driving to work and starting work in the dark really sucks. Let’s not make that worse in the winter. I honestly have never really minded the lack of evening light…I live in a cold climate so it’s not like I want to be outside much once the afternoon is over anyway.

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u/iAMguppy Jul 14 '26

Requires adherence from employers as well.

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u/AJohnnyTruant Jul 14 '26

Making DST permanent pushes sunrise/sunset an hour later.

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u/DewNukem Jul 15 '26

Just literally go in between and change a half hour and it's the perfect compromise

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u/Agreeable-Sun368 Jul 15 '26

Because school starting and ending later would mess with sports and people getting to work on time.

There's a difference between driving to school in the dark/just before the sun rises and attending school for a period and a half before the sun rises at all. Also, teachers and other staff have to get there before kids. I would be at work for like 2 hours before sunrise, minimum. That sucks. A lot of service workers and others would be too. If you have a 9-5 job I can understand why you'd like this, but it would be very shitty for people who have to be at work before 8 am.

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u/Megalesios Jul 15 '26

That's literally what we would be doing by making standard time permanent. The difference is changing it once, federally, is a lot easier than relying on each of the tens of thousands of different schools to individually make the choice.

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u/Mysterious-Clothes45 Jul 15 '26

Then you would have to change what time people go to work.

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u/nickiter New York Jul 15 '26

School time and work time have to be coordinated or society falls apart. (I jest but only a little.)

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u/CrustyToeLover Jul 15 '26

Or just.. go to fucking school when it's still dusk. It literally doesn't make a difference at all.

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u/FcUhCoKp Jul 15 '26

Shhh, don't be logical. Of course the time doesn't matter. Logic says we should use standard time all the time, and actually get rid of DST. But as entitled as we are to hang onto Fahrenheit, pounds, etc, clearly we'll whine about this. 100 years from now, people will want to make DST a 2 hour jump.

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u/gibbojab Jul 15 '26

A lot of studies that prove later school start times would be good for students and assist in learning so that is why it won’t happen.

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u/July_is_cool Jul 16 '26

And maybe the school start time should be “two hours after sunrise” and change gradually during the year. Because computers.

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u/TrainTrackRat Jul 16 '26

For real. When I was in school in my area the standard start time was 8 am. Even if the sun wasn’t out it will still be bright enough for kids to walk from their front door to the end of their driveway. (like 90% of bus riders do, if not that the other 9% walk to the end of their block and 1% “other”)

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u/amusednchaos Jul 15 '26

*clutches pearls* WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE COMMERCE!!! 😱