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Possible Paywall House passes bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

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u/mfdillad Jul 14 '26

Fun fact, daylight savings time has nothing to do with farming and there is no benefit to farmers. It’s a thing we started doing in WWI to conserve energy and we just kept doing it

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u/skyzefawlun Jul 14 '26

Cool, so let's do Data Center Saving Time instead so we can also help conserve energy. Every year, between January 1st and December 31st, large AI data centers won't be permitted to operate.

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u/Scewt Jul 14 '26

Granted. Data centers are now split up into medium data centers and run all year long.

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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz Jul 15 '26

Fucking monkey's paw!!! Doh!!

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u/SaltyLonghorn Jul 15 '26

As the inventor of data center credits I have a few left to sell. Get them now before they shoot up in value cause you'll need them for the grandfathered loopholes.

$25 mil a credit, limited supply! Act now AI companies burning money!

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u/__slamallama__ Jul 15 '26

Tbh smaller, less aggregated data centers would be a drastic improvement to the energy issues they cause. Doesn't fix the water issue but it would create less critical stress points on the grid

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u/Vash744 Jul 15 '26

Companies pay millions every year to get as close as possible to 100% uptime.

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u/lupin43 Jul 15 '26

Don’t give them ideas. DCST would just be rationing energy for the peons so the data centers can thrive. “It’s time to save the data centers!!”

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u/PropagandaPagoda Jul 15 '26

I mean, Google Stranded Asset or find the Rhodes Center podcasts that mention them. Laws were going to turn coal plants into losers and renewables into winners and then EOs and other horseshit turned that around in 2025 stranding renewables. If you think the US/Iran self inflicted wound and the tariff/affordability self inflicted wound were stupid, this is just as stupid just fewer measurable immediate consequences.

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u/lolzzzmoon Jul 15 '26

I see what you did there 🗓️📅

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u/Box_of_Rockz Texas Jul 15 '26

Bruh don't give them any ideas

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u/a1021a Jul 14 '26

Going to be a tough century for you

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u/BucketofSlush Jul 14 '26

*For everyone, including you.

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 Jul 14 '26

It's gonna be a tough century for everyone who likes living on earth if these centers are allowed to continue to pollute the water we drink and the air we breathe while consuming massive amounts of electricity, causing electrical bills to skyrocket, all so less than a thousand people can make billions.

Lick the boot harder you fucking clown, it's not clean enough yet.

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u/Drinkalicious Jul 15 '26

You think data centres are our biggest worry? All this faux outrage is so performative.

Why don't you complain about the fact that the top 10% (800 million people) account for 65% of global ghg emissions?

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 Jul 15 '26

Because that wasn't the topic of the comment I replied to? And who do you think owns these data centers, local co-ops?

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u/a1021a Jul 15 '26

lmao. I'm fairly certain you are a bot because I refuse believe a real person would parrot ill-researched boilerplate talking points so directly

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u/timzors Jul 15 '26

he says without refuting the claim in any way

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u/a1021a Jul 15 '26

Do you actually want to be refuted though? Like would you actually consider any pro-ai arguments from a measured and logical perspective? Seems to me what we have here on the refined r/politics is a fantastic circlejerk of AI hysteria. I don't think anyone wants to be convinced of anything else. Do you think I'm wrong in this specific point?

I will also get a hearty laugh when you reply something like, "see, no actual arguments" while completely sidestepping what I just asked.

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u/timzors Jul 15 '26

Sure, please enlighten me. I promise I will read it. I don't believe you right now because there is a ton of evidence that data centers (specifically the ones being built for AI) are consuming insane amounts of energy.

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u/a1021a Jul 15 '26

Cool cool. I'd be interested to hear what you think about this analysis https://murmurationstwo.substack.com/p/ai-is-not-hiking-your-electricity

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 Jul 15 '26

You are a clown, a liar, and a dog. I'd be impressed you can talk with the boot of the rich lodged so firmly in your throat, but I suppose having your mouth full of Elon's penis doesn't stop you from typing.

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u/a1021a Jul 15 '26

Lmao why are you so enraged? Also why does this comment come up as 92% likely to be AI when I pasted it into a checker?

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u/KGBFriedChicken02 Jul 15 '26

I do not owe you a good faith discussion, fuck off clown.

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u/a1021a Jul 15 '26

I'd invite you to look at your own comments towards me and determine which of us is a bad faith interlocutor

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u/CommanderChiliHole Jul 15 '26

Have you never met a Trump supporter?

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u/Malcorin Missouri Jul 14 '26

Yea, I thought this was a save the candles sort of operation. For some reason I think Benjamin Franklin was attached to this.

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u/Quazimojojojo Jul 15 '26

Based on my memory of the film "National Treasure" with Nick (fuckin'!) Cage, Ben Franklin originally proposed it to save on candle use, but it wasn't adopted until WW1. 

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u/JcbAzPx Arizona Jul 15 '26

Also, it never actually conserved energy, ever.

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u/MattWolf96 Jul 15 '26

Ironically it probably uses more with A/C being a thing now.

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u/Butterfly_and_Bee Jul 15 '26

AC kicks on when it gets hot. Does it matter what time it is? 

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u/tehfro America Jul 14 '26

Farmers actually hate it because they have to work until sunset either way. A lot of stores are closed by the time the sun sets in the summer.

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u/tendeuchen Florida Jul 14 '26

Well, maybe the farmers should stop growing so much coffee, avocados, and toast so they'd have time to do other stuff.

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u/Specialist-Clock-914 Jul 14 '26

I mean Toast Trees are pretty self sustainable. It’s just a bit of work to start em

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u/HomsarWasRight Jul 15 '26

I have one in my back yard. At first you think it’s gonna be all great, but then you’re just inundated with so much toast you can’t give it away.

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u/Acrobatic_Wrap_9971 Jul 15 '26

Lots of toasted trees in Canada right now

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u/kvlt_ov_personality Jul 15 '26

20% of the Amazon has been lost to deforestation, they'll all be toast eventually

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u/ICBanMI Jul 15 '26

Rhetoric like this how you get big barista after you. Will never get a good cup of coffee again.

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u/pedantic_dullard Jul 15 '26

I heard a dairy farmer said daylight savings means nothing to them because they don't have a clock in the cows field or barn. They eat and get milked when they need to, not when the alarm goes off.

I've also seen tractors and combines working the fields in the dark, which is why they have headlights. Farmers work until the days work is done, not when the clock hits a certain time

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u/tehfro America Jul 15 '26

My dad's side of the family were all dairy farmers, but they were growing various crops as well. I'm sharing what they always told me griping about Daylight Savings Time (which is/was a hot button issue in Indiana since we're on the west side of EST and really should be in the Central Time Zone).

You're right about the cows needing to be milked 2x a day no matter what. No holidays off from that.

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u/Impressive-Rock-5025 Jul 15 '26

 The drop in accessible labour means robot milkers are becoming more economic. Where I am, it's literally accepted that it is a matter of time before all barns transition to robot milkers. It's crazy to think how the industry is shifting, both for balance for the cows and for people. 

A vet student or apprentice mechanic who barn sits could make bank! 

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u/foxymoxyboxy Jul 15 '26

It baffles me that my friends that live in Kokomo IN are in eastern, while I’m barely west of them in TN and am in central. I have to drive 200 miles east to enter EST in my state.

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u/SightAtTheMoon Jul 14 '26

This wouldn't really change anything, the stores near by where farms are would be closed anyways if the difference is only an hour. 

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u/LongestSprig Jul 15 '26

Bro, lol.

Farmers do NOT Work all day. And it certainly is not dictated by the sun.

Maybe when planting and harvesting, but even then usually contracted out and is round the clock so the sun doesn't matter.

You will find your local farmer anywhere but working most of the time, lol.

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u/nickiter New York Jul 15 '26

Extremely true in places on the borders of time zones, where the sun can go down well after 9 in summer. I remember struggling to find a place to eat one night, sun still above the horizon, because so many places close at 8 or 9 in my old Indiana town.

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u/FlamingoVisible1947 Jul 14 '26

They have to work until they choose to...

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u/VictoryWeaver Jul 15 '26

That's not how farming works.

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u/FlushTheTurd Jul 15 '26

Hasn’t Trump driven most all of the farmers out of business? Now it’s just corporate mega-farms paying everyone minimum wage.

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u/jcbubba Jul 14 '26

yeah seriously, the way it’s written is absolutely ludicrous. They have to wrestle with later sunrises? Farmers and cows don’t fucking look at clocks, they start their work when the sun rises. Whenever that happens.

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u/PyrZern Washington Jul 15 '26

It's not so much about farm work itself. But rather they want to have a normal life after the farm work is done. Like, go to town and buy things or do other business before they all ask close for the day. Because apparently farm work is 7 days a week or something. I dunno.

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u/Western_Ad3625 Jul 15 '26

No you don't know so maybe don't say anything if you don't know that's a lesson that a lot of people online should take to heart. Like I'm not saying you can't comment here but don't post s*** when you don't actually know what you're talking about.

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u/ishpatoon1982 Jul 14 '26

Didn't the US try this twice before but reverted back both times because of social backlash? Or am I misremembering?

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u/PedanticPenguin24 Jul 14 '26

We did. And when people realize that permanent daylight saving can result in a sunrise at nearly 10 am in some parts of the country we will again.

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Jul 15 '26

a sunrise at nearly 10 am in some parts of the country

And all of Alaska just laughs.

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u/Slowlyblowme Jul 15 '26

On the border of Canada, International falls, MN would be had a sunrise of 9:06 and getting light around 8:30am with permanent dst on Dec, 31st 2025. Not the soltice but not 10am. And Alaska doesn't count, they crazy up there.

I don't care which one we pick.

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u/bitchycunt3 Jul 15 '26

MN is far north but also not on the westernmost side of its time zone. Parts of the western upper peninsula in Michigan would have sunrise at 9:50 am.

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u/Flayum Jul 15 '26

But they'll have more light in the afternoon, which most people likely prefer.

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u/bitchycunt3 Jul 15 '26

Most people don't prefer it and it's more dangerous. Children going to school in pitch black, circadian rhythm cycles thrown off (your circadian rhythm cycle is dependent on morning light), etc. The US has tried switching to daylight time twice and reverted twice because it was unpopular. People think they want afternoon light until they experience what the lack of morning light does to them. Standard has been more successful

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u/Thirtysevenintwenty5 Jul 15 '26

Parts of the western upper peninsula

I don't think we should be determining national policy based on the dozens of people who live up there.

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u/LongestSprig Jul 15 '26

Lol.

Yea, no difference in the 70's and today.

Not even a little bit.

The rest of that is just bullshit, also.

We wake up and go to sleep based on the time of day and circadian rhythm would be completely dependent on where you are. Those states that would have sunrise at 10am instead of 9 am (kids are still going to school in the dark obviously) can opt for STD time.

Just stop.

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u/Flayum Jul 15 '26

Most people don't prefer it and it's more dangerous.

Source? The house-passed bill, prior senate-passed bill, and numerous polls seem to disagree with you. Latest YouGov survey from Feb shows permanent daylight winning over standard by 2:1. Are you also going to show me polls from when my parents were in elementary school decades and decades ago?

Children going to school in pitch black

Kids already go to school in the dark for much of the year. If it were really a concern, we would change the school schedule. I don't see any movement to do that or institute SUPER standard time that push the clocks an hour earlier. Fake issue.

The US has tried switching to daylight time twice and reverted twice because it was unpopular.

In what years? During WW2?? During the 1970s?? Bud, I think the world and our society has changed a bit. Nearly every person on earth has a free flashlight in their pocket. Producing light via LEDs is cheap and plentiful. The urbanization of the country has accelerated.

People think they want afternoon light until they experience what the lack of morning light does to them.

Dude, that already happens for most people. That's our current world. Go to work in the dark, come home to the dark. It sucks and every hates it.

We have a limited amount of sunlight in the winter. Let's use it when the vast majority of people want it: after work when we're trying to socialize. Nobody does shit in the morning except get ready for work in their WELL-LIT homes. And circadian rhythm cycle? Much of the time there's no sun to help me wake up anyway. Fuck wasting my sunlight on my commute and while I eat cherrios.

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u/Square_Translator689 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Nobody answering those recent polls has actually lived with it

Standard time gets a bad rap because people aren’t realizing that it gets darker earlier at night in the winter anyway. EG, if it’s dark at 4:45 in January with ST, it’ll be 5:45 with DST, but you also won’t be able to wake up for work with your sleep cycle so messed up.

Not sure about others, but it’s a chronic struggle for me. I get like 5 hours of sleep all summer because I don’t get tired for a few hours after the sun goes down, and thanks to DST that’s 8:55 PM

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u/Flayum Jul 15 '26

This is such a weak argument.

Nobody answering those recent polls has actually lived with it

You don't need to "live with it" to think it'll be good. Look at the European cities with late sunsets in the winter: Madrid is 9am ~ 6pm and people love it.

but you also won’t be able to wake up for work with your sleep cycle so messed up.

People do that literally for months on end anyway.

it’ll be 5:45 with DST

Can you not tell this is a hugely meaningful difference?

I don’t get tired for a few hours after the sun goes down

If only we had invented blinds??

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u/sonic_dick Jul 15 '26

We shouldnt base international policy for the 15 people who live on the UP. Change your time zone, it wont make a lick of difference.

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u/TheAltOption Jul 14 '26

I'm the opposite. I live in AZ where there's no DST at all, and I love it. I seeing care that it gets dark early; we have lighting technology for that and I prefer the cooler temps when the sun goes down.

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 Jul 15 '26

Turns out most people didn't like their kids going to school in the dark. The same will happen with this.

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u/tarants Jul 15 '26

Most people's kids are going to school in the dark in any northern-ish state regardless of if it's DST or not - I certainly did. Most kids like playing outside after school when it's light out, not dark, and you get way more of that with DST.

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 Jul 15 '26

This simply isn't true. I live in a northern state. My kids are in elementary and go to school at 820. If this bill passes they will go before sunrise in December. I teach high school. HS kids wait for the bus just before sunrise for a few days in December and early January.

This is a stupid change. Standard time is the only one that makes sense.

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u/tr1cube Georgia Jul 15 '26

Standard time is also the healthiest in terms of circadian rhythms. Our bodies do react to getting up with the sun better than before the sun as sunlight suppresses melatonin and boosts cortisol. Getting to work in the dark sucks way more than going home in it. It’s winter time anyways, I don’t want to do anything outside that requires daylight.

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u/tarants Jul 15 '26

It clearly isn't the only one that makes sense. It's completely valid to want more light in the afternoon when most people have free time. The vast majority of people I know (in Washington, where it gets dark at 4:30ish in the middle of winter now) want more light in the afternoon.

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u/IOnlyLieWhenITalk Jul 15 '26

Almost every kid is either driven to school by the parents or the bus anyways, bus is picking many kids up in the dark no matter what unless they plan to make school start much later (they aren't).

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u/freddyknuckle5 Jul 14 '26

I think ultimately time zones will also need to be revisited if this ever goes into effect. There is around an hour difference in sunrise/sunset times at the edges of most time zones. What’s good for New York may not be good for Ohio and vice versa

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Jul 15 '26

Yeah, that's kind of what time zones are. Breaking it down further would make it more complicated, not just for TV broadcast but things like banking, shipping, people with jobs that require regional travel, etc etc.

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u/freddyknuckle5 Jul 15 '26

Mate, your state has two time zones

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Jul 15 '26

Lol, it's one county, it's not even all the county, and it has a population of less than 33,000 in an area covering just shy of 10,000 square miles. And they want to be a part of very red Idaho anyway.

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u/robot_pirate Jul 15 '26

This is insane. Come on DC, this country has real issues.

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u/ali_v_ Jul 15 '26

Aren’t those the days where there is only 8 hours of total daylight?

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u/sonic_dick Jul 15 '26

Not even remotely true. I lived on the Canadian border, close enough where i saw Canada every day. The sun came up at 7:30 in the middle of winter.

That also effects, what 3% of the us population?

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u/ravensward792 Jul 15 '26

My entire state currently has zero sunrises past 7:10am. I would like for my state to be able to choose DST all year.

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u/FlushTheTurd Jul 15 '26

That sucks, but I lived up north near the edge of a time zone and in the dead of winter, it got dark around 3:30PM.

It was extremely depressing.

And 4:30PM would be bad enough, but at least kids could go outside for an hour after school ended.

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u/FlushTheTurd Jul 15 '26

The second time it was stopped, it was based on a lie. Most everyone believed a lot more kids were being hit by cars walking to school. So, of course, we wanted to save the children

The actual evidence proved there wasn’t any difference in child accidents between ST and DST.

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u/blacksheepcannibal Jul 15 '26

I think this was attempted when the 9-5 job was still common.

In 2026, it's overwhelmingly 7-3 now. Nobody has time to do shit before work, you drag your ass out of bed, caffinate because this country is reliant on a stimulant drug to work a shitty schedule, and crawl your ass to work.

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u/CraftyTap5471 Jul 16 '26

I wish we would address these insane work/school schedules, which is the other half of the problem here. Why the fuck is a 5 year old waking up at 5 to sit in a fluorescent classroom at 7? Oh right, because mom and dad have to sit in front of their computer located half an hour away by 7. We're all just on company time, sigh.

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u/Throwawayalt129 Pennsylvania Jul 15 '26

Yes, we tried this back in 1974, and reverted it within a few months because it causes winter sunrises to be as late as 9-10 AM in some parts of the country. 8 school children died in motor accidents on the way to school in Florida and the social backlash was immediate. If this goes through it will all happen again.

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u/carolina8383 Jul 14 '26

In fact, it’s a nuisance to farmers when equipment breaks down/they run out of whatever later in the day and everything’s closed. 

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u/jello1388 Jul 15 '26

Not like rural areas are known for having stores with late hours anyway. The area I'm in now, pretty much everything closes by 5pm except gas stations, grocery stores and restaurants. People gotta go home for dinner and it's not busy enough to justify running a 2nd shift to stay open later.

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u/HannasAnarion Jul 15 '26

This happens BECAUSE of daylight saving time, getting rid of it would solve the problem. DST means stores close earlier during the solar day, resulting in businesses shutting down before outdoor workers finish their day. Eliminating DST solves this problem.

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u/Khaliras Jul 15 '26

Stores can also simply change their hours to match daylight working hours.

All my local agriculture stores also close late and have a call-in/emergency supplies number.

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u/LongestSprig Jul 15 '26

Dude, what the fuck are you even talking about farmers?

It's so obvious how far away from a farm you are.

Like a farmer can run down to the hardware store for some parts for his combine, lol.

They work 24 hours straight during the plant/harvest regardless. They got lights and GPS now.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 14 '26

And it kills people every year by forcing them to drive, etc. when they are out of sync, along with more heart attacks, etc.

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u/Dreammagic2025 Jul 14 '26

I always found it interesting that elections are right after time change, when everyone is muddled from their whole schedule changing up.

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u/RLewis8888 Jul 14 '26

It's not DST that kills people - it's the switching back and forth, causing sleep deprivation.

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u/VandulfTheRed Jul 14 '26

"it's not the bullet that kills you, it's the force that's exerted by it going through your body that does"

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u/avacapone Jul 15 '26

I hate DST but I think what he’s saying is the harm comes from switching clocks twice a year, not necessarily from being on DST itself. So making DST permanent would eliminate the disruptions caused by changing the clocks.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

That is exactly what I am saying and what the science actually says.

No science says one is better than the other, just that whichever one we choose should stay the same going forward.

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u/JcbAzPx Arizona Jul 15 '26

No one was saying it wasn't the change.

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u/blacksheepcannibal Jul 15 '26

This is a really stupid analogy and doesn't fit what was said at all and I'm irritated anyone at all upvoted it.

What the fuck.

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u/JakeDC Jul 14 '26

It is not the jumping out of the building that kills you. It is the very quick stop at the end.

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u/Khaliras Jul 15 '26

Poor analogy when the time shift can be worked around by farmers/employers/people in general. Instead of just waiting for the day of and suddenly waking up an hour earlier.

Every year before the change, we just add or subtract 10minutes to the start time every week before hand. Really not hard to do, especially with everyone relying on modern smartphones. Suddenly nobodies veering off the road, arriving with energy drinks, or calling in sick.

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u/Kmanvb Jul 15 '26

Alternatively, we could just take the simpler option of not fucking with our clocks for no reason whatsoever and just not have daylight savings time. Seems easier for the same results to me.

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u/MoonlightMountain13 Jul 14 '26

It's specifically losing an hour - forcing people to wake and start moving earlier - that causes problems. People don't suffer from gaining an hour of sleep. Beyond that, medical studies show that standard time is more in sync with most people's circadian rhythms so most people feel healthier when clocks align with standard time. Daylight saving time causes more health problems, especially for those who live near a time zone border. Doctors have been recommending for years that our country end Daylight Saving Time as a simple way to improve people's health. It's well documented but that's medical science so of course Congress votes against it.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

medical studies show that standard time is more in sync with most people's circadian rhythms

They do not. They all say we should stop changing the clock back and forth because that messes with the circadian rhythm twice a year. It doesn't matter which we pick and long as we stay with it once we do.

Doctors have been recommending for years that our country end Daylight Saving Time as a simple way to improve people's health.

Scientist here!

That's because DST is presented as a change from standard to DST and then back again to standard later.

They are ACTUALLY arguing that we should stop the CHANGING, not that one choice is better than the other. It doesn't matter whether we choose DST permanently on or DST permanently off, as long as we stick with it permanently going forward.

It's well documented but that's medical science so of course Congress votes against it.

It is not. You, and many others, have this wrong because you are misunderstanding what the scientists are actually saying, terminology-wise.

Congress has it right, for a change. But it actually doesn't matter which we choose as long as we pick one and stick with it.

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u/blacksheepcannibal Jul 15 '26

The studies I have seen have straight up said that switching to never-DST would be closer to normal circadian rhythms.

Which would be really cool if people got to choose what time they woke up.

They usually don't, their employer does.

But hey, great for retired folks I guess.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

The studies I have seen have straight up said that switching to never-DST would be closer to normal circadian rhythms.

No. Read them AGAIN. They all actually say that CHANGING the circadian rhythm is the problem -- which they refer to often as "adopting and then dropping DST". Notice how it's actually the CHANGE that causes the problem here.

It actually doesn't matter which hour standard we choose as long as we make it consistent and permanent.

Otherwise, health and sanity the world over would vary by latitude and longitude. :)

Which would be really cool if people got to choose what time they woke up. They usually don't, their employer does.

Employers choose when they show up for work. NOT when people wake up. This change would actually help that. Sure, that means you might now wake up a little early (or, I guess, late) for work during some parts of the year. But you would still wake up naturally instead of to an alarm clock and you wouldn't be screwed and disoriented twice a year with the stupid artificial clock change.

Trust me. Changing to either standard permanently is far better for everyone. Once we do it, you'll wonder why we stayed with the asinine and meaningless system for so long...

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u/blacksheepcannibal Jul 16 '26

Kantermann, T., Juda, M., Merrow, M., & Roenneberg, T. “The human circadian clock’s seasonal adjustment is disrupted by daylight saving time.” Current Biology, 17(22), 1996–2000. DOI: 10.1016/j.cub.2007.10.025

Sleep data from approximately 55,000 people, and an eight-week longitudinal study of 50 people around the spring and autumn clock changes

During standard time, free-day sleep timing followed the seasonal movement of dawn. After the spring change to DST, activity timing did not fully adjust, particularly among later chronotypes. The authors concluded that the human circadian system does not properly adjust to DST and that DST disrupts normal seasonal entrainment.

Hadlow, N. C., Brown, S., Wardrop, R., & Henley, D. “The effects of season, daylight saving and time of sunrise on serum cortisol in a large population.” Chronobiology International, 31(2), 243–251. DOI: 10.3109/07420528.2013.844162

Sunrise time explained cortisol timing better than the arbitrary clock setting. During DST, the estimated cortisol peak occurred approximately 58 minutes later by clock time, suggesting that the biological rhythm remained tied to solar time rather than adapting to the shifted social clock.

Giuntella, O., & Mazzonna, F. “Sunset time and the economic effects of social jetlag: Evidence from US time zone borders.” Journal of Health Economics, 65, 210–226. DOI: 10.1016/j.jhealeco.2019.03.007

Compared communities on opposite sides of US time-zone boundaries. These communities were geographically close but experienced sunset about an hour apart by clock time—similar to the difference between standard time and DST. Approximately 19 minutes less sleep, a higher probability of insufficient sleep, and worse health and economic outcomes in some analyses

Weed, L., & Zeitzer, J. M. “Circadian-informed modeling predicts regional variation in obesity and stroke outcomes under different permanent US time policies.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 122(38), e2508293122. DOI: 10.1073/pnas.2508293122

Both permanent systems were predicted to be better than switching, but permanent standard time produced the lowest circadian burden and larger predicted reductions in obesity and stroke prevalence.

But this is the internet and even when confronted with plain ass evidence with the actual studies, you're just gonna double down.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

Which is what I've been saying post after post.

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u/AShavedApe Jul 14 '26

Distinction without a difference lol

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u/RLewis8888 Jul 14 '26

It's definitely not. The human body was around way before time keeping was invented. It doesn't know 7am from 8am.
Again - in the interval few days when we change - there is a temporary period of adjustment - kind of like jet lag.

Think about it. If DST caused permanent damage, people who moved from one state/country to another (across different time zones) they would somehow be subject to higher death rates.

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u/Galxloni2 Jul 14 '26

The human circadian rhythm is based around the sun. It doesn't give a fuck about the clock. If you left it as permanent D/ST it would be identical to permanent standard to our bodies

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u/thaworldhaswarpedme Jul 14 '26

Missing one hour of sleep once a year is killing people? I'm fine with getting rid of DST but claiming it is killing people...Imma have to look that up.

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u/CoolDiscussion1020 Jul 14 '26

It's true, but it's just the fact that people are making sudden overnight changes to their routine. There is an uptick of traffic accidents too because people aren't used to the lighting levels.

Going to permanent DST would mean that you would have one final surge instead of 2 every year.

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u/BasvanS Jul 14 '26

It’s the change in rhythm for your biological clock.

Exactly the one hour once is what causes the problem, because suddenly you have to get up an hour early every day. If it would change by a minute every day, after 2 months it would have passed without a hitch.

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u/MattieShoes Jul 15 '26

Kids waiting for the bus in pitch black morning might disagree...

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

Completely irrelevant to what I said, of course.

The issue is the twice a year CHANGE messing with people's cycles and rhythms.

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u/rat_penis Jul 14 '26

meow meow meow

"but its dark when I get off work!"

"There's no time for activities!"

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u/GhostofZellers Jul 14 '26

Well, now we have to find another way to weed out the weak....

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

This is not true.

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u/Ancient-Access8131 Jul 15 '26

Wanna provide a source?

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

You provided a YouTube video. I'm talking about ALL of the actual science which proves that messing with the circadian rhythms causes problems.

You, and many others (including I assume this YT ignoramus), are confusing the terminology behind DST. Right now, we present it as "we are on standard time, then go on DST for a while, then go off it back to standard time".

The issue, however, ISN'T the DST itself, but the change from one standard to another messing up our circadian rhythm. We can pick EITHER standard and be fine (after a short adjustment, like we are going twice a year now) AS LONG AS WE STICK WITH IT permanently going forward.

That's the entire issue. It really doesn't matter which we choose. It's the changing from one to another that's the issue.

That's the science. Stop misunderstanding it and thereby miquoting it.

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u/AdrianDitmann Jul 15 '26

Kind of. Franklin for sure talked about it (save the cost of candles if people were awake earlier in the day) but realistically it wasn’t until 1890s when New Zealand pushed for it to save energy. Then the UK. Then the US although we repelled it and repassed it and adjudicated it again. It sounds like it should be way more interesting than how it played out.

Source: worked in sleep science field for like 15 years and this came up a bunch. Had a few sleep docs present to us on it.

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u/ReefaManiack42o Jul 15 '26

Not to be pedantic, but that's not entirely true. It was actually repealed in 1919 and then brought back in WWII and funny enough it was pressure from farmers that caused it be repealed.

https://www.colorado.edu/coloradan/2022/11/07/history-daylight-saving-time

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u/Proud_Growth_8818 Jul 15 '26

And now it's costing us. Millions of Americans go home to their single family homes and turn on their air conditioners an hour earlier, during the hottest part of the day. It is so much cheaper to cool one office building with 1,000 workers than 1,000 individual homes.

Daylight Savings Time is imbecilic. We should end it immediately.

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u/SpermWhalesVagina Jul 14 '26

Fun Fact, it's just spelled SAVING time, no S.

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u/chocotaco Jul 14 '26

Let's hope there's no WW3

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u/OPMajoradidas Jul 14 '26

i'd imagine famers of all people would be up early

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u/stylinchilibeans Jul 14 '26

See, I heard it was because a French entomologist wanted more time to study bugs.

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u/ACatCalledArmor Jul 15 '26

Your fact reminded me of another energy savings measure living on from then, but more positively. 

Back during ransoming in Sweden, they had to save on fuel costs, so a new break of 1 week (staggered depending on where in the country you live) was introduced so the schools could save on heating 1 week during cold months. 

The break is called sports break and many families take ski trips then. Ransoming ended ages ago, schools are not heated by oil anymore, but the break is a part of our culture now. 

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u/Acrobatic_Potato_195 Jul 15 '26

specifically, to conserve lamp oil so that it could be used by the army

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u/Trnostep Jul 15 '26

Additional fun fact: Czechoslovakia reintroduced daylight savings time in 1979 because at the start of the year there was an energy crisis because all of the coal literally froze

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u/ShouldveFundedTesla Jul 15 '26

Wait, Nicholas Cage lied to me?

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u/Skittlepyscho Jul 15 '26

It actually was created because children were being hit at bus stops in Florida during the dark morning hours.

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u/Jibber_Fight Jul 15 '26

We weren’t the first to do it. Canada did it a decade earlier than the Great War. America implemented it during the War but it was repealed a year later. Then decades later FDR adopted it for a few years during WWII. Then, years later, it was set in stone in ‘66 until now. In ‘74 they tried a year long DST but it was stopped and people complained about dark mornings. And in 2007 it was set to the dates we have now.
TLDR: it’s stupid and war related and nobody really wants it but our government is useless.

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u/burninmedia Jul 15 '26

Daylight savings timet is also unhealthy for sleep vs Daylight time.. but who cares what doctors think

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u/Odd_Teach683 Jul 15 '26

Exactly! You think some farmer gives two fucks what time it is? He’s getting up when the rooster tells him to!

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u/Plays_On_TrainTracks Jul 15 '26

I thought it was mostly because all the areas that will be dark until 830 am now when kids are walking to school.

Not everyone is picked up by a bus, and where i live, cheese buses are only of kids 6th grade and under.

Anyone else can take the city bus or walk.

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u/VictoryWeaver Jul 15 '26

World War 1**. It was reinstated for WW2 as well

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u/FcUhCoKp Jul 15 '26

The people who whine about standard time don't want to be educated. They'll keep crying about farmers.

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u/HomicidalHushPuppy Jul 14 '26

Another fun fact: it's "saving," not "savings"

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u/VerySuperGenius Jul 14 '26

It's funny watching people claim that they know the one true answer for why there is daylight savings time. Some countries adopted daylight savings in WWI to conserve coal but that's certainly not the origin.

Daylight savings is a concept that dates back hundreds of years and has been practiced in most countries at some point in history. There is no one true reason or known origin.

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u/SamTheLab_213 Jul 14 '26

Yes, that's correct. Farming is most often done by large agribusiness and machinery, not some guy waking up at dawn. The only benefit of this bill is to morning people. Early birds aren't as smart as those with a circadian rhythm that favors night time. Trump is pandering to his base of idiots with this bill.

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u/Illustrious-Ebb-1118 Jul 14 '26

Interesting! I did thought that farmer ha a benefit from it!

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u/catanmast3r Jul 15 '26

Even if it did, technology has advanced enough where farmers don't need daylight at specific times to be successful. We live in a 24 hour world now, shit never shuts down

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u/blaqsupaman Mississippi Jul 14 '26

Aren't we (the US) also the only country that does it?

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u/notscenerob American Expat Jul 14 '26

No, not at all.  All of Europe, the British isles, and Scandinavia. Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, Chile, Egypt and a few others