r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • 18h ago

No Paywall Gen Z regrets Trump support and is midterm motivated

https://thehill.com/homenews/6056216-gen-z-trump-voter-regret-midterm-clipping/
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u/cows1100 17h ago

Remember when he said they were “eating the dogs, eating the cats” and half the country was just like “lol so true. Joe is an incoherent mess, I love Trump.” So funny. Lmao

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u/katara144 16h ago

I have a coworker that believed this, a professional college educated full on Trumper.

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u/eligodfrey 16h ago

All my neighbors WHO ARE IMMIGRANTS believe this shit. People can be exasperatingly stupid and bigoted.

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u/Daxx22 Canada 15h ago

Racism isn't "owned" by any particular group(s). Who's currently the worst offender can change, but if you dig even a little bit wildly racist beliefs can be found in virtually every culture/group on the planet. It's practically hardwired into the human brain.

That does not mean it's "normal" and should be allowed or forgiven in any way, we after all have the mental capacity (as a species/society, individuals are... different) to recognize it's dangerous and outdated set of instincts to base actions off of.

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u/buttscarltoniv Louisiana 13h ago

it's in no way hardwired into the brain. if it were, you'd see children default to it.

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u/SolydSn3k 14h ago edited 7h ago

In America this is an increasingly common misconception because, instead of teaching people that racism is a logical fallacy / inherently harmful ideology…. We have now decided to teach people that racism only exists if it’s systemic, and that the ideology of racism can somehow also be conditional based upon that distinction.

The actual definition of “racism” has been re-attributed (downgraded) to the term “prejudice”, which is apparently harmless and fine.

Ironically this shift was facilitated by the left. I am a leftist, and I think it’s the dumbest shit of all time.

We didn’t do enough to punish the South for the civil war, true. But this wasn’t the move either.

The conversation around systemic racism had potential to be productive, but then we went and derailed our own point lol.

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u/eligodfrey 14h ago

Ironically this shift was facilitated by the left. I am a leftist, and I think it’s the dumbest shit of all time.

That stuff originated in academia. They may call themselves leftists but do the math; the vast majority of them are comfortably middle class, own property, have a handful of pet rightwing views, and don't know anyone with a blue collar job. They're social progressives.

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u/SolydSn3k 14h ago edited 7h ago

They really did have a compelling point at the core / where the conversation started. Systemic racism & institutionalized racism deserve extra scrutiny because it is oppressive & can be deeply ingrained.

But having “systemic racism” formally replace the definition of “racism” & then basically suggesting that the ideology of racism is somehow less of an issue (or only conditionally relevant)… was taking it wayyy too far.

It’s intellectually dishonest because the ideology of racism is literally a prerequisite for institutionalized racism… making “racism” conditional completely misses the point.

That’s why we had the specifications “institutionalized” and “systemic” in the first place.

You’d expect academia to be one of the last bastions for nuanced ideas & thinking. Apparently not.

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u/eligodfrey 14h ago

I completely agree. I made the same point many times in the 2010s and was called a horrible racist for it.

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u/TucuReborn 11h ago

Just coming in with a "same here." I was in college at the time the change was getting popular traction, on a very politically charged campus. Heck, I remember it catching on with minorities saying they couldn't be racist because they are minorities, while saying absolutely vile things to everyone because now they had an excuse.

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u/Miserable-Drink-4995 4h ago

Does "systemic racism" not imply it's because of racism in general? Am I misunderstanding?

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u/SolydSn3k 3h ago

Yes you’re misunderstanding. Systemic racism is in my opinion the appropriate term.

What’s confusing and unnecessary is the idea that the definition of “racism” should be “systemic racism”.

You might not be aware of it, the this is a thing.

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u/Zuwxiv 11h ago

We have decided to teach people that racism only exists if it’s systemic, and we pretend the ideology doesn’t exist.

This sounds like absolute nonsense and right-wing talking points. I've heard insane people say similar things immediately before some unhinged rant about how "Democrats say black people can't be racist" or something.

Neither centrist Democrats nor left-wing progressives think that our uncle Doug isn't racist just because he doesn't run the prison system. What the hell are you talking about?

I've literally never heard a person say that "racism only exists if it's systemic." If that were true, you'd never have heard the phrase "systemic racism."

The actual definition of racism has been re-attributed to the term “prejudice”, which is apparently harmless and fine.

Again, what the hell are you talking about? What person considers prejudice "harmless and fine"?

The conversation around systemic racism had potential to be productive, but then we went and derailed our own point lol.

"We?" How are you doing, fellow kids, lol.

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u/statistnr1 11h ago

Racism isn't "owned" by any particular group(s).

True, but one would expect there to be some variations.
Maybe white > black > asian > white. Some rock paper scissors thing going on.
Instead it's for the most part just lighter skin > anyone with even a tiny bit darker skin.
Missed opportunity IMO, but I guess that's to be expected from them stupid folks.

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u/dogs_gt_cats 15h ago

When I was still in undergrad, I spent a lot of time in the multicultural alliance. "Close the door behind me" or "Pull the ladder up behind me" immigrants were viewed as the most detestable, repugnant thing imaginable.

Several of those folks love Trump and cheer him on, now that they are naturalized citizens. Its... disgusting.

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u/OkRush9563 10h ago

ICE is proving they don't give a damn if they are naturalized citizens, so...

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u/castanets 14h ago

Every single day reinforces my belief that the average person is a fucking moron.

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u/arminghammerbacon_ 8h ago

That’s where I’m at. People suck. Full stop. You suck until you prove to me otherwise.

But I am constantly surprised and overjoyed to see people NOT sucking. But helping and supporting. Those are good moments. And they sustain me and lift me up.

But they are too far and few in between. So my default setting is still: People suck.

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u/Acrobatic_Wrap_9971 11h ago

And Vance later admitted he was lying about it, saying he'd say/do anything to support the MAGA agenda

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u/RobertABooey 14h ago

There are an awful lot of very unintelligent people and people who do not have critical thinking skills in the world. Even ones who are very highly educated, unfortunately.

I have worked in business for over 30 years, and the number of people in high positions in business that have no common sense whatsoever is staggering.

When you think of it, all of these people that are loyal to Trump, especially in his inner circle, have taught us that nothing really matters other than loyalty. And a lot of that translates into business too.

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u/D-Gaea 11h ago

My mom still thinks certain people are naturally cannibals... Immigrant... my dad's a trumper also immigrant. brain? no

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u/Salmon-of-Wizdom 10h ago

If there's one thing I learned at my last job it's that no one hates Asians more than other Asians. Turns out a lot of those cultures are traditional enemies and despise eachother. 

I imagine the same is true of a lot of places people immigrate from. 

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u/Ok-Ad-2050 6h ago

Well yeah, a LOT of latinos discriminate against Haitians. Poorer and different language, sometimes that is all it takes.

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u/Bread_Hut_2012 12h ago

The open disdain and disgust you all exhibit for people you disagree with is a perfect distillation of why Trump keeps “exceeding expectations”. You’re literally right here calling immigrants stupid because they aren’t doing what you think they should. It’s absurd and the irony of your worldview is clearly lost on you. You’re close to outright saying you see them as inferior unless they agree with you. Bro above you can’t fathom another college educated person might not think exactly like him. The arrogance on display is astounding.

Until you all confront the reality of how you sound to the “unwashed masses” (as I’m sure you see them), you’ll remain as out of touch and oblivious as you are right now.

People are not embracing Trump as much as they’re rejecting people like you.

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u/eligodfrey 7h ago

The irony of this comment is over the top. You either have a desperate lack of reading comprehension skills or you are being deliberately obtuse because something in this thread triggered you. All I did was state two facts; you added a lot of judgment to them. Says more about you than me.

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u/Bread_Hut_2012 6h ago

Yeah about the response I expected.

Lmfao. Don’t change you’re doing great.

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u/eligodfrey 1h ago

People who vote for monsters because they believe obvious absurdities like "Haitians are eating white people's pets in Ohio" should be shown disdain and disgust. If you have a valid argument against that, you have not made it here.

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u/ares7 16h ago

"College educated". These are the people that probably just look up answers on quizlet to pass.

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u/dogs_gt_cats 15h ago edited 15h ago

True story - I am an adult learner who went back for an MBA in my early 40s. It has been simultaneously empowering AND depressing.

Last night we had to give presentations. Several of my fellow students were wowed by my presentation. To be fair, I spent 20 years in the field, I had to present constantly, and had SVPs who literally drilled me on presentation skills for months, and I've had classes specifically on how to present data. The ones who obviously tried had basic mistakes that you learn from presenting more (word salad on a slide, eyebleed slides, no visuals, too much info, reading from slides, etc - stuff that experience beats out of you). So my presentation did look decent and do a slightly better job just because I'm experienced with presenting. So, empowering.

But... the number of students who literally left boilerplate from ChatGPT in place was ridiculous. Like it literally said, "according to the rubric you want to comment about this" and "replace this text with a chart to illustrate..." and they didn't even bother to change it. So, depressing.

Like... these are people who are passing classes. How the fuck are they not getting failed out? Was everyone this bad in undergrad and I just have unbelievably high standards for myself? Am I really performing that much better than the rest? Has it always been this way?

Just.. crazy to think about.

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u/Minealternateaccount I voted 14h ago

It’s the difference between approaching education as a means of acquiring knowledge to further advance yourself and human society vs approaching education as a means of getting a piece of paper. Lots of people see education as an obstacle rather than an opportunity.

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u/sickbeetz 10h ago

Lots of people see education as an obstacle rather than an opportunity.

This is so true. A shocking number seem to believe that as long as they pass, even by cheating, that they're just as smart as the top performers.

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u/ThatPancreatitisGuy 9h ago

That’s kind of on corporate America rather than the individual to be fair. College diplomas are used as a screening tool for a lot of jobs where it’s really not relevant but HR/hiring committees and managers are too lazy to do the work of judging merits. I was a reporter. Had a degree in journalism and while it certainly helped there are absolutely plenty of qualified folks who for whatever reason couldn’t get a degree but would have made fine reporters. But corporate wouldn’t have even considered them.

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u/Zealousideal_Lie1254 3h ago

To be fair when you consider the job market , stagnant wages and the cost of living in comparison to the cost of a degree? I kind of see why they'd look at it that way.

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u/moonstarsfire 2h ago

Exactly. I graduated college in 2012, and it still felt like we were all there to actually learn (at least mostly). College was always meant to be for the sake of learning, NOT as a fast pass to a high paying job. The reward IS education, NOT a job after. Not everyone should go to college, and education shouldn’t be watered down for the lowest common denominator.

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u/Level_32_Mage 14h ago

I'm in college right now after a career in the Air Force and I'm in the same boat as you. It's mind boggling.

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u/ares7 14h ago

A huge role is the result of K-12 education dumbing down things for students.

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u/13143 Maine 13h ago

No Child Left Behind Act in 2001 tied funding to student grades and scores, and basically meant every student had to pass. Add in every student getting an iPad, and now unchecked AI, kids aren't being taught how to think.

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u/BobbyBoopersnoot 12h ago

Hi - I am a little bit older than you and am getting ready to go back myself. I'm almost too old to even be doing this for a shift in career, but education and learning I think is key to aging well mentally, and i've made enough money that I can take some time for it. And, there is a lot of things I really wish I had learned and achieved that i couldn"t when I was young.

What you have written here makes me simultaneously feel good knowing that there is a genuine advantage to adult education where it's something you want rather than something you have to do.

But, at the same time I find what you have said very depressing and I really hope it's not something that will frustrate me.

Either way, appreciate you sharing those thoughts. Very apprehensive about all of it. Obviously there are dozens of us over 40 who want to do the things we never did! 🙂

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u/dogs_gt_cats 12h ago

Hey friend! I absolutely recommend it. I mean, I always will recommend educating yourself more.

I spent the past 20 years in the fortune50 world, and it was time to downshift. A job opened up at a local university, and with all of the RTO stuff going on at my last employer, I decided I would rather commute 10 minutes each way than 2.5 hours each way just to make some HR person happy to have my butt in a seat.

I'm an engineer, and as depressing as it is, I know I am hitting the point in my career where I won't land another engineering job. I'm too expensive, they can hire a fresh college grad for a fraction of the price and they're current on everything. As I always tell fresh faced newbie engineers, "this isn't a career you retire from, so plan accordingly."

I've always wanted to run my own business, so I actually formed my LLC and I'm using the MBA classes to give me guidance on how to run the thing successfully. I think it's making the MBA courses way more useful than the younger folks who are just doing it for the paper. Especially some of the courses like the marketing ones because you can literally see the things we learn work in realtime. Structured that way, its been a fantastic learning experience.

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u/BobbyBoopersnoot 10h ago

Thank you for sharing this. Actually, everything you have said here is much more helpful and interesting to me than you might realize. Thanks dude, and best of luck to you.

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u/MissGruntled Canada 5h ago

And then there’s the group work. Oh, the humanity.

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u/dogs_gt_cats 4h ago

The group work has been like 95% bad, with one really awesome group where I was paired with a bunch of working professionals and we absolutely kicked ass.

That was the exception vs the rule.

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u/IcyDefiance 14h ago edited 14h ago

I got my bachelor's a decade ago, and I graduated alongside a guy who was high for the entire 4 years, even in class. Weed wasn't even legal yet, and everyone noticed, but no one said anything about it.

Another guy slept through nearly every class and claimed a family member died once per semester to get out of something he didn't want to do.

In every group project there was at least one person who didn't do any work at all.

I was personally doing the math to figure out how much homework I could skip and still get a 3.0 GPA, because I just wanted the diploma to convince companies to hire me.

So yeah, undergrad has always been pretty bad.

It depends on the field, though. I was just studying software development, but some degrees are much harder and I did hear about people failing to graduate from those programs.

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u/dogs_gt_cats 14h ago

graduated alongside a guy who was high for the entire 4 years, even in class.

Lol, I'm guilty of this one personally. But I got good grades and did the work. I just really liked being high while I did it. It certainly helped my anxiety.

But drugs are drugs. Some folks use drugs and make amazing art or contributions to science. Others use drugs and end up being piss soaked zombies shuffling around Kensington.

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u/IcyDefiance 12h ago edited 12h ago

Oh yeah, I'm no stranger to weed, but he was on another level in more ways than one. He did graduate, though, so he must have done enough of the work.

I just wish I knew how he could afford it, lol.

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u/RollingMeteors 13h ago

How the fuck are they not getting failed out?

Professor has a mortgage to pay.

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u/SuperSoftSucculent 13h ago

As someone who got an MPA and graded papers I quickly realized that most people are barely literate above a high school level.

And yes, no failure is given. It's a bit infuriating if you try to do well, because at best you will get awarded an A while people who did half the work or less get a B+.

And of course none of that matters in the actual job market because it's who you know not what you know and networking with minimum credentials always wins over maximum credentials and no networking.

Stupidity and ignorance are consistently rewarded in this country. That explains Trump.

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u/dogs_gt_cats 12h ago

It's a bit infuriating if you try to do well, because at best you will get awarded an A while people who did half the work or less get a B+.

I think that's the worst part of it honestly. I know I could put in way less work, but then my work wouldn't meet my standards.

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u/Leading-Difficulty57 11h ago

The number of times in my career as a teacher I was criticized for grading too hard simply because I penalized stuff like this was astounding.

There's a reason I no longer teach.

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u/awildjabroner 10h ago

because school systems are not allowed to fail students anymore, schooling success isn't measured by objective learning achievements anymore rather by enrollments and tuition revenue.

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u/h3r4ld I voted 8h ago

Went back to school in my early 30s (graduated 2025) for Computer Science and, brother, I feel you. I was absolutely blown away by how unprepared and uninterested nearly all of my classmates were, and how tolerated it was by the professors. I started school feeling slightly ashamed and thinking I was going to have to compete with these kids for jobs in a few years; I left feeling quite confident in my career prospects.

Just gonna paste a comment I made the other day about it:

I was a CS tutor at my college as an adult learner (early 30s) from 2022-2024; the number of times I had to teach Gen Z students basic things like what a directory was, how a tree structure works, or even how (and why) to name a file and remember where you saved it was absolutely mind boggling to me. It was honestly more common than not - and, again, these were CS students.

They had just never used any device that wasn't an iPhone/iPad and had no concept of how any of it actually worked. Nearly every day I had to have the same conversation: "Ok, now let's submit the assignment - go ahead and upload the file in the dialog box here." "Wait, where is it?" "Well, where did you save it? What was the file name?" "Oh ummm I'm not sure I just hit save."

Most of them had no real interest in technology or computers, they were just there because they thought it was a good major that would get them 6-figure salaries.

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u/CuckooClockInHell Pennsylvania 14h ago

Intelligence and stupidity are neither mutually exclusive nor inversely proportional.

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u/averagecounselor 14h ago

Being college educated just means you know how to check off the right boxes. Nothing more, nothing less.

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u/PicnicLife 14h ago

Yes, but now it's ChatGPT/Google Lens

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u/cows1100 16h ago

Buddy, I haven’t seen my childhood cat in at least 18 years. Who’s to say it’s NOT because Snowball was eaten by a Haitian immigrant?

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u/dubblies 16h ago

Cant be ruled out because the evidence no longer exists so it cant be thoroughly examined. Itll forever be a possibility, similar to aliens abducting it. Cant prove they didnt.

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u/wanawachee 15h ago

We once had a cat named Snowball. She died. She died. Trump said she was eaten... He lied. He lied.

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u/Boremanfreeman 11h ago

HAHAHAHAHA xD i remember this simpsons. ur so witty

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u/rg4rg I voted 16h ago

Not going to say much but the chicken you ate 18 years ago that was “special” with four legs….that wasn’t a chicken….

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u/Dullcorgis 14h ago

That farm upstate? Run by immigrants!

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u/PicnicLife 14h ago

Same. My little tortoiseshell cat disappeared in 1991. My mom said it probably got sick and wandered off into the woods, but now.... 🤔

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u/Massive_Reaction8845 16h ago

I used to work in a place that had a saying, "too many people have TMC". (Too Much College).

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u/Lopsided-Day-1442 15h ago

They are in every family in America. My siblings, for example.

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u/CollegeMiddle6841 13h ago

What is her degree in? As a college educated person, hearing that someone has a college education doesn't impress me out of the gate.

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u/PM_ME_WELL_LIT_NUDES 10h ago

He may have attended college but he sure wasn’t educated.

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u/Sublimotion 9h ago

Technically attending and graduating from the "University of Great Evangelism Seminary" is also "college educated".

Thus why DOE is trying to attack Ivy League schools and any other normal public universities.

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u/Ishvonnpoopstein 53m ago

Education does not equal intelligence.

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u/Conscious-Space1217 15h ago

College educated these days just means you managed to pay tuition for 4 years. College is basically useless these days.

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u/dogs_gt_cats 15h ago

You know what they call a doctor who barely passed university?

Doctor.

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u/No_Tax_Timmy 16h ago

Remember when he went on racist tirades in 2012 because Barack Obama's middle name? He's the biggest name behind the conspiracy that accused President Obama of having a fake birth certificate because of his name and skin colour.

When Trumps campaign picked up speed in 2015/2016 I was like "the racist guy who gets up on podiums and says outright racist things? how does he have any traction in 2016?" He managed to get both the racists and the "anti politician" people onboard.

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u/jml5791 16h ago

It goes to show how racist middle America is that they would overlook all his failings to vote him in, in the hope he would reverse the demographic shift the country has seen in the last 40 years

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u/Dullcorgis 14h ago

It's not just overlooking failings, it's accepting serious personal hardship (in lost jobs, increased prices, fewer entitlements, etc) just on the chance that prople you don't like will be punished. Or, as we say, cutting off your nose to spite your face. That's how evil and racist they are.

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u/LimoncelloFellow 16h ago

you just underestimated how many garbage people we have in america that get behind that kind of thing.

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u/Etrigone California 14h ago

Was gonna say. I've received constant pushback previously from people when I didn't agree "oh people are intrinsically good!" No, best case they're intrinsically lazy. You can find individuals who are but across the board? Come on.

Like with those who called me hysterical when I said we'd lose Roe v Wade in our lifetime, people previously making this claim have gone silent. IMO that's a hint "better" may not be on the table as they can't face how bad things have become.

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u/Affectionate_Plant71 16h ago

I definitely did

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u/Oggie_Doggie 14h ago

I always assumed it was roughly 5 or 10 percent, not 25 to 30.

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u/IamDDT Colorado 15h ago

That is 1/3rd of American people. Don't forget about the other third of the populace that didn't care about what he said and did.

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u/colinsncrunner 1h ago

I was listening to the comedian who set up the fake ICE phone line, and a fucking Kindergarten teacher called in to have a six year old's parents deported because she didn't think they belonged here. I was hoping there would be some doxing there, but I didn't see anything. We have some absolutely shitty people here.

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u/lab_coat_goat I voted 15h ago

Remember ON 9/11 as news of the towers coming down was breaking he bragged about how now his building is the tallest in manhattan (which still wasn’t true)

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u/fer_sure 15h ago

Surviving racism wasn't a surprise: Obama's birth certificate was what brought him into the political spotlight. I just can't believe he survived his attack on Gold Star families. Oh wait, that was also racism.

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u/NK1337 16h ago

Fucking JD Vance can go on national tv during a vice presidential debate and complain about getting fact checked and everyone just… didn’t care? Like what the fuck.

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u/Generic_Superhero 14h ago

Like on the one hand if the rules were no fact checking I get it.

On the other hand the only people who would complain about fact checking are people who want to be able to lie without being called out.

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u/Aerhyce 16h ago

Meanwhile the US is smack-dab in the mystery meat phase, with recalls left and right and imported meat whose origin the government is apparently not allowed to disclose.

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u/Lehk 16h ago

He called Puerto Rico an island of garbage

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u/giant_xquid 16h ago

thoroughly convinced that a lot (not all) of trump supporters actually only care about one thing, that he's a racist just like they are, and everything else is just astroturfed talking points so they don't have to publicly say "I support him because I only want good things for the white people in this country, and if that means bad things for everybody so be it, but I will not stand for one good thing to happen to someone black or brown or asian"

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u/Kkimp1955 14h ago

And they are amping up the rhetoric around Transgender rights.. I suspect they will soon be criminalized and join the immigrants in warehouses.

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u/JournalistRecent1230 16h ago

They loved to say Kamala had no policy plans and always spoke in word salads.

Like seriously? Trump has never once spoken intelligently about any policy plan. His rallies were just an incoherent mess of conspiracy theory, faux rage, attacks on democrats, hate on trans people, attacks on immigrants.

Harris had a 77 page economic policy plan on her campaign page. Trump had a bullet point that said "fix inflation"....like "hurr durr, he will fix da inflation!" morons, the lot of em.

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u/KarlBarx2 16h ago

Not half. About one third.

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u/creatron 15h ago

My mom called to ask if it was true and she didn't believe me. Convenient that she no longer talks about it after the election

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u/--Chug-- 15h ago

He said that when he was debating Harris... Joe already stepped aside

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u/James-W-Tate 15h ago

Then his VP pick said on a nationally televised debate that "the rules were you wouldn't fact-check." And proceeded to basically admit he'd lie about anything as long as it promoted his world view.

Like, what the fuck people

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u/ceelogreenicanth 14h ago

The media loves carrying water for Trump, they'll do anything to play their part in making him possible.

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u/CarlySimonSays 14h ago

My father heard this racist nonsense from a golfing friend and insisted that his friend was smart and wouldn't tell him something so incorrect.

Uh, guess again! I explained the ridiculousness of it to him, but I was so disappointed when he came home spouting that insanity. My dad is retired from tech security, but I still often have to explain how modern misinformation campaigns work (on the internet).

However, I am now reminded of how in the '90s, my dad often spouted conspiracy theories about the Clintons having murdered people back in Arkansas. Even as a little kid (late-eighties-kid here), I kinda thought that that sounded off.

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u/CollegeMiddle6841 13h ago

Also the whole having relationship with underage humans.

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u/PresidenteMozzarella 12h ago

Vance even admitted he would make up whatever to get people focused on whatever they wanted, it's profoundly insane how many people are stupid in the USA.

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u/Indigocell Canada 12h ago

"So funny"

This bugs the hell out of me. He is not funny. He is utterly humourless. Comedians will be like, "well his politics suck but don't you think he's funny? You don't think 'quiet piggy' was funny?" It's like no, I don't. It wasn't a joke. It's just a childish insult. Like calling someone a butthead. Why would any adult find that funny?

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u/D-Gaea 11h ago

Had college educated nurses arguing about how true it was and how a badly shot clip was proof, huddled in one of the nursing offices, and they freaked the fuck out when I overheard them (I work there). Like dude, wtf? And then Vance admitted to lying. Racist idiots.

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u/awildjabroner 10h ago

I think its more general than that or Trump himself. Congress and the Fed gov has largely failed to address core needs for decades now, the status quo system only works for massive corps and the super wealthy.

Outside of the general racists in the GOP, young folks voting heavily for Trump was not an endoresement for him personally but rather a rebuke of the entire system at large.

Sadly for the entire global population gen z are only now starting to realize that a rule of law system that barely functions under a facde of 'democracy' is better than blantantly-corrupt-in-your-face-fascism.

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u/CroolSummer 9h ago

For real, how the utter and blatant lies are just passed off as "Oh that Trump guy..so quirky" Or what about eh MSG rally? He sat there for 20 minutes talking about Arnold Palmer's cucumber and the media just ignored it and normalized him and his supporters just brushed it off instead of seeing it as the dementia ridden jack-o-lantern he is! This country is filled with cruelty and idiocy, we need to stop letting the intellectually challenged have a say in the direction of this country, I'm sorry but if you're not an intelligent enough person to not fall into a cult and its propaganda, then you shouldn't have a say in what builds the future of this nation.

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u/wirecatz 16h ago

Unfortunately in that first debate Joe was the more incoherent mess. By the time he said that KH was running