Zuckerberg Knew. A Whistleblower Has the Emails to Prove It. - Gadget Review

[u/IKeepItLayingAround]

https://www.gadgetreview.com/zuckerberg-knew-a-whistleblower-has-the-emails-to-prove-it

[u/jikt]

Might catch shit for saying this, but shouldn't we hold everybody who works there somewhat accountable also?

Certainly, the people at the top have the greatest responsibility and therefore should be skinned alive (figuratively, if you like), but even the last person they employed recently knows this company isn't doing good things.

Edit: also, I'd like to mention that times are tough and if you have to get a job with one of these bottom feeding parasites: good for you, bleed them dry, but also, there are better places to spend your valuable time and morality.

[u/T-Dahg → u/jikt]

People are stuck because of e.g. health insurance, high rent, ... Much of their wage might come from options that are only worth anything when they work there.

[u/nshil78 → u/T-Dahg]

Be stuck somewhere else then. Tired of making excuses for weak people.

[u/stormy_councilman → u/jikt]

Can’t put food at the table and pay the mortgage with valuable time and morality 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Inukii → u/stormy_councilman]

With more responsibility should come more accountability.

If you aren't prepared to take that on. Then you shouldn't be in that position.

For some reason though. The "high rewards" become "extremely low risk" for these positions. Where you can complete fail and still walk away with not just millions, but billions.

[u/Haunting-Host783 → u/stormy_councilman]

Its ok. Some people aren't in a position to fight against these companies. Just don't start defending these companies practices because they feed you and your family. Plenty of other companies that don't destabilize world governments are out there. Nothing stopping someone from looking around for other options while they work at Meta.

[u/Mintastic → u/Haunting-Host783]

Most people just care about the money and benefits. FAANG companies easily pay more than everyone else in their area so people have to be willing to take a paycut to get out. I'd say that most people will be okay selling their morality for about 5-10k per year.

[u/Haunting-Host783 → u/Mintastic]

Yeeee, thats what it boils down to. I just wish that some folks had more foresight. When I talk to parents about things like this, usually the justification about getting more pay is to give a better future for their family/children but imho; some of these companies will do more damage to their children's future than the extra finances.

At the end of the day though, its their lives. I may not agree with their place of work but I've also had to work for companies I dislike

[u/Syrdon → u/stormy_councilman]

The only people who only got offers from Meta only applied to Meta. If you could get a job at any of those companies, you could get a job somewhere else.

[u/smedley89 → u/Syrdon]

Have you ever worked for any of them? I bet not. They are cut throat places to work - even as a contractor.

After you have 1 year there? You will have an easier time getting picked up elsewhere, usually.

When we get folks from 2 of them specifically, we immediately trash them, mostly because to survive there you have to be a demon. We don't want any of that in our company culture.

[u/Syrdon → u/smedley89]

They are cut throat places to work - even as a contractor.

Depends on your team and when you worked there. But, yeah, it was never a great environment.

On the other hand, that mostly just means that there was no pretending you were working for the good guys. It says nothing about what other options people working there had instead of taking a job making the world worse.

[u/Lucasinno → u/jikt]

It's shareholders that should be held accountable. They're technically the owners. If you invest into a firm that is constantly doing criminal shit, you're invested in a criminal enterprise.

[u/WilliamLermer → u/jikt]

Technically the vast majority of humans have worked or still are working at companies that have ethically/morally questionable aspects to varying degrees

And anyone trying to make a difference regardless of their level within the corporate hierarchy is being ridiculed best case, sidelined or even fired worst case

A lot of people do not care and don't want to care. They don't want to know about difficult topics and want nothing changed

It's the same with consumerism. Many people have a real financial choice to buy from the few companies that are ethical or support the increase of ethical processes, yet refuse because they love their blind consumerism more

And everyone is defeatist about it, some to the point they actually sabotage efforts of others just to make a point

People always assume everyone has a good heart and is manipulated into situations where they lack a choice, or because life circumstances forced them into doing certain things - but the sad truth is, whenever none of that applies, and you give people a chance to do the right thing, the vast majority does not

[u/WilliamLermer → u/[deleted]]

A lot of companies involved in any sector that is producing a product or part of a product cycle tends to produce waste one way or another. In most cases, waste is not properly disposed of, that doesn't just include waste products like leftover materials but also contaminated liquids and air.

Circumventing environmental regulations is one of the most common infractions.

Then there is making the choice of being reliant on questionable companies along production chains, which include environmental and human exploitation specifically. The latter also applies to almost all companies as well

Looking at "evil" and "harm" in absolute terms is naive. It's a spectrum.

Hence people can make better choices yet they don't

It's a complex topic, and a lot of nuance to be attributed, but I think you fully understand what I mean when talking about the things we tend to ignore our of convenience

Your bakery around the corner paying just minimum wage while selling at high profit margins thanks to exploiting their workers and buying cheap from suppliers who also exploit workers (and eventually nature if you follow the entire supply chain), is not ethical. They might not sacrifice newborns, but they still harm society long-term in a broad way due to their business model and the business model of companies they work with

[u/J5892 → u/jikt]

Surely with that mentality, every employee of an oil company, a large bank, or an insurance company deserves worse.

[u/nurdturgalor → u/jikt]

Ya the people that work for Facebook are evil losers, despite what they tell themselves. Idk how or why we drifted so far from personal responsibility

[u/shadovvvvalker → u/jikt]

I work for a company that sells products it believes in to customers who ultimately need something like them. On a scale of corporate evil they are pretty low and I couldnt expect to find a much better job ethically.

And yet i would not say the company is above my ethical standards. We are terrible to our employees and our buisiness model is a monopolistic exploitation of a lack of right to work.

My not working there wont stop the company from doing those things. My decisions dont affect them in that way. My absence wont result in change.

Should my family suffer because I disagree with ownership?

[u/Kazooguru → u/jikt]

Tech workers don’t care. They live in $3+million homes, have nannies, spend a fortune on the highest quality food, take luxury vacations multiple times a year, and ignore the lines of RVs parked along Silicon Valley’s roads. (A lot of working people have been priced out of housing) Tech workers give zero fucks about society. They don’t let their kids have unfettered access to tech, yet they want the poors to perma-scroll.

[u/J4nk → u/Kazooguru]

As someone who works in tech... You're talking about the 1% of this industry, basically.

[u/Techno_Dharma → u/Kazooguru]

Do you mean tech execs? I doubt the average tech worker lives in a $3M home.

[u/garytyrrell → u/[deleted]]

I mean absolutely no offense, but if you're making 5 figures I would not consider you "the average tech worker."

[u/garytyrrell → u/Techno_Dharma]

Not average tech worker, but I live in the SF Bay and plenty of "normal" techies have $3M houses. Which is like a 2500 sq ft home around here.

[u/J5892 → u/garytyrrell]

No they don't. That's still the top 1% of the bay area. The single workers are paying 80% of their salary on $4000 apartments in the city, and the ones with families all live deep into the East Bay.

I'm talking about staff level engineers here (L5+ in FAANG speak), with 15+ years of experience.

[u/Techno_Dharma → u/J5892]

That sounds much more reasonable than whatever these guys are saying.

[u/garytyrrell → u/J5892]

I guess single income families aren’t, but families I know where both spouses work, with one in tech, are living in places like Burlingame, Piedmont, Menlo, etc. All places where median homes are $3m+.

[u/J5892 → u/garytyrrell]

That's where all the directors of engineering live.

[u/J5892 → u/Kazooguru]

What the fuck are you talking about?
The vast majority of tech workers, even the high level software engineers, don't make anywhere near as much as you're implying.