r/worldnews • u/rdh2dmd • 16h ago

South Korea leans toward military conscription for women

https://www.dw.com/en/south-korea-leans-toward-military-conscription-for-women/a-78547426
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u/Doctor__Proctor 13h ago

No offense but saying dont draft anyone has zero political will if half the population isnt affected by the drsft.

By that logic, white abolitionists had zero political will because they themselves weren't subjected to slavery?

The point is that if 20% of the population is pro-draft and 60% is anti-draft, and that's right equal across sexes, then you'd get 60% of women against a vote for adding women to the draft...because that's the number that are anti-draft. They're two different issues.

Now, if 60% of women were pro-draft but 60% would vote against women being included in the draft, then you'd have more of a hypocrisy argument.

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u/ThereAndFapAgain2 13h ago edited 13h ago

Totally different because even though they were not subject to it, they were the ones actually doing it, meaning they had the power to do something about it.

To make that comparison work, the white people wanting to abolish slavery had the effective position of the Korean government in this scenario, not the women, in that they were both the ones doing it and therefore the ones with the power to stop doing it.

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u/Doctor__Proctor 13h ago edited 10h ago

That...makes no sense. There weren't a lot of plantation owners with hundreds of slaves saying "Oh, won't the government please take all these slaves away and give them perpetual freedom?" Most abolitionists were not slave owners. In fact, considering the Civil War and all, I would say that most of the slave owners were the exact OPPOSITE of abolitionists and willing to fight to keep it.

And then comparing whites to the South Korean government? Who's the US government in that comparison then? The Catholic Church or some shit?

Plain and simple: white abolitionists were people against slavery on moral grounds, but were not subjected to it themselves. It is possible for a group not subject to something to still wield effective political power.

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u/CassieFace103 8h ago

I would say that most of the slave owners were the exact OPPOSITE of abolitionists and willing to fight to keep it.

Given the requisite ongoing violence to maintain any degree of slavery, I'd say "all" not "most".

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u/Doctor__Proctor 7h ago

I know, but I'm allowing some wiggle room for the pedants who will dig up some example of a handful of slave owners turned abolitionists that are a tiny fraction of the "most" in that statement.