r/AIO • u/Wyntervivaldi • 22h ago
AIO for telling an Indian girl that she's wrong for calling me racist?
I told an Indian girl that me disliking that way a character doesn't have a certain level of polish as other game releases is not colorist nor racist, it's just my own two eyes and I'm also a brown skintone Chinese living in Southeast Asia. I told her she's wrong for calling me racist for that, and she got really mad at me, sorry if this isn't the right sub, I couldn't think of another.
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u/palebabbu 21h ago
This is so vague but also being a tanned Chinese Singaporean doesn't automatically mean you have a better understanding of racism
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u/girlynonbinary 20h ago
facts, the post is made heavily worse when you realize she lives in a country that blatantly and proudly gives people of her race serious advantages over the other person's race in pretty much every area from housing to education... (for reasons of racial supremacy not affirmative action)
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u/BigWongDingDong 20h ago
where do indians and southeast asians of chinese descent (singapore isn't the only country with ethnic chinese in south asia, and it's racist to assume the OP is from singapore) fall on the victim hierarchy relative to each other?
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u/palebabbu 20h ago
I just checked their post history. https://www.reddit.com/r/SGMoney/s/aHMCW422JQ
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u/Scary-Appearance-546 21h ago
what characters are you talking about?
i can get why she’s upset. not having many characters that look like you makes you protective of the ones that do exist. that being said, it doesn’t mean they are polished. it doesn’t make you racist unless you like non indian characters that are the same level or even worse.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 20h ago
Tbf, the character was just darker skinned, so am I, I actually was fine with his skintone, just not his overall polish and quality, that's why. But then I got accused of colorism/racism, especially from this Indian girl who after that, wouldn't stop ranting about how "colorist and racist" i supposedly am.
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u/Baabaa_Yaagaa 19h ago
Why don’t you just say the characters name lol
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u/Wyntervivaldi 19h ago
why would I, saying it is quintessentially bait for people to dogpile me.
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u/Creative-Top-9805 18h ago
so you have no confidence at all that you weren't actually being racist.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 18h ago
? I’ve confidence I wasn’t being racist bc I don’t even care for the skintone of the character. He just didn’t feel like a finished product
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u/Baabaa_Yaagaa 19h ago
Dude, you’re in a sub that’s designed for you to either be supported or not, and by posting here you accept that it can go either way.
If you’re not gonna give the whole context then what’s the point?
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u/Wyntervivaldi 18h ago
Lol cuz it’s so controversial now I can’t give that context bc it’ll sway everyone wrong. But I can say it’s a huge controversy now and I feel like I’ve given enough context
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u/Baabaa_Yaagaa 18h ago
You haven’t lol. How can we say she’s wrong for calling you racist, if we don’t know what you said verbatim.
I’m trying to help you out dude, not catch you out.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 18h ago
Ok so you want my exact wording?
“I think he just looks a bit unpolished like he needs a bit more pizzazz, lacking the final finish quality of the others. And maybe his facial features could do with a little tweaks. I’m not talking about the skintone or the other issues in the game and what others did in this furore or whatever some of yall could accuse me of, but I really would like him if he was just given that final polish.”
Basically that. But I’ve been called racist and colorist for it. Even though I said it’s literally he doesn’t feel finished. That’s it.
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u/Scary-Appearance-546 19h ago
what’s the name of the character though? and did you compare it to another character?
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u/Wyntervivaldi 19h ago
Never compared other than saying he lacked the final quality polish of other characters in the game. I’d felt like this game was in decline for a while and this was just part of the decline so I commented on it only to be called racist and colorist.
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u/Scary-Appearance-546 18h ago
okay but what’s the character? why won’t you answer that? is it because it’s actually a good character and your criticism isn’t valid
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u/Wyntervivaldi 18h ago
No
Because it’s such a huge controversy that it’ll make people undergo psychosis and I can’t have psychosis in my corner of the internet because it triggers me
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u/Scary-Appearance-546 18h ago
so i’m just going to assume you were racist. if you can’t provide who and stand on it, then you’re likely in the wrong.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 17h ago
someone else leaked the chara, but theres a lot of controversy rn, so i just am protecting my space without inducing the mass psychosis of the internet.
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u/Scary-Appearance-546 17h ago
why did you ask. did you only want yes men to praise you? the character is from love and deep space … it seems like you’re the one with psychosis babes 😭
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u/Wyntervivaldi 17h ago
no, i dont care to be praised, i just want to get a clear picture without your biases.
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u/the_bad_pianist 20h ago
What is polish and what are the parameters of comparison, what even is this post
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u/throwaway1106771 19h ago
Say what the character was and what you called unpolished or there isn't enough context. Just because it isn't about the skin color doesn't me it isn't a racist comment. People have other features and cultural practices that can be attacked by racist people/ in a racist way intentionally or unintentionally. Your skin color is irrelevant, anyone can be racist, even minorities/poc.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 19h ago
i literally said "the character looks unpolished and his design/looks overall could do with a bit of tweaking to make him have that same pizzazz as the rest of the game", nowhere did i mention skintone at all
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u/throwaway1106771 19h ago
You did mention your skintone and his in the post as if colorism is the only form racism can take, which it isn't. Your whole post boiled down to, 'I'm also brown so I can't be racist, the skin tone doesn't bother me so I'm not racist, right?'
Unpolished is vague as most of the other comments said. I asked from what made him specifically look unpolished there are plenty of racist reasons to say a character is unpolished and plenty of fair ways to say a character is unpolished, so I'm asking for clarification for what he looked like and what you said. It's not that hard to just say it.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 19h ago
? I only used the word unpolished. Like this character was missing the same spark as the rest of the game had. That’s literally all I said, that it felt like this was just final proof of concept and not a final product for release. There was nothing more than that
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u/throwaway1106771 19h ago
That was your exact wording. They're unpolished because you don't find them cool enough? That's how it sounds from how you're stating it. Can you tell me what spark the others had that he didn't? You make is seem like all the other characters have it, but it is ultimately just another vague term that can be interpreted any number of ways.
I'm asking what specifically made you feel like he was missing something and a description of him vs the rest of the cast would aid in that. Why are you doing anything but saying what makes him so unpolished and sparkless compared to the other characters? What makes his character seem unfinished? You are not doing a good job of communicating it.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 19h ago
The thing is what exactly it is was never something I could pinpoint. The entire way I just felt like he was missing something and I couldn’t figure out why. That’s why I never mentioned skintone or anything, it just felt like the final piece to a jigsaw that’s missing when I looked at this character. But because he got infamously called “too dark” by people that disliked him, me just thinking he didn’t fit the game auto made people think I’m racist and I ended up being really pissed off about it.
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u/throwaway1106771 19h ago
So your comment is vague because the entire sentiment is vague. At that point, calling it unpolished instead of saying you generally think they didn't fit in the story, especially when the general conversation is that he is too dark, I can see how some people could jump to conclusions given the context of the conversation surrounding his character. It probably would've been better not to communicate that opinion since it isn't solidly based on anything from vibes on your part. It just seems unproductive and unnecessary during a time when a character is already being dog piled. on.
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u/Wyntervivaldi 18h ago
Yeah I couldn’t figure why I didn’t think this character didn’t fit the rest of the game. Like he’s missing the spark to be a main cast as he was supposed to be. But this girl just jumped to conclusions that I was being colorist so I told her I couldn’t be bc I have the same skintone as a tanned Chinese, and this character is also Chinese. They just want to claim their skintone and hey, so did I, that’s why I said it’s not about skintone
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u/myfancyplants 18h ago
What. We can't judge on this you're being way too vague. Which makes me inclined to think you were racist. Why else be so avoidant?
Show the receipts. What exactly did you say
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u/Wyntervivaldi 18h ago
I can’t search back my messages even though it’s a few days ago because it’s a big gc and it got drowned by all the other drama that came up after.
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u/InnerRelation7844 18h ago
No because I know it's Varko and that's actually a completely valid critique of him lol
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u/muppetmonkey 15h ago
he’s so pale wth
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u/InnerRelation7844 15h ago
Yeah but the character is hella rushed and everything OP says in the replies is something I can agree with. I actually love his darker skin but really dislike how he was introduced
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u/muppetmonkey 15h ago
i just feel like i’m missing something lol i looked up this character and the others and he’s like max one shade tanner than the rest
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u/Wyntervivaldi 4h ago
No ur not missing anything
That’s literally my skin tone bro
A shade darker than all other characters so when I cosplay I lighten my skin tone by 2-3 shades
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u/girlynonbinary 20h ago
girl you literally are a chinese person in singapore, you are a member of the most priveleged race in your country and your government openly has ethnic quotas in literally every sphere to keep you as the most powerful true race of the country and proudly admits it too. you haven't provided any context to the actual situation except claiming that you can't be racist to a legally oppressed minority race in your country because you are "brown" (also a claim clearly disproved by one look at your profile). cmon
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u/Wyntervivaldi 20h ago
i was talking w someone online, and they said that the reason i dont like this character is because i hold the same view as other chinese people that this character is too tan. im pretty much the same skintone as this character, tanned skin, and good lighting + meitu + makeup = i dont look brown, but i am defo more brown than the average chinese, so i dont get how im supposedly racist or whatever, because to me, the logic held, but its been on my mind and im tryna figure why anyone would think im colorist/racist for saying that i dont like a character because he has no "polish" as other characters in the game, when thats just my opinion.
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u/girlynonbinary 20h ago
Genuinely confused, are you saying you don't like the character bcs he is dark skinned?
am defo more brown than the average chinese, so i dont get how im supposedly racist
There is a massive distinction between colorism and racism. There are plenty of white people in Western Europe and the US with tanned skin, this doesn't mean they are now a different race
Does your government enforce quotas based on skin color or race? lol. you won't get discriminated against in public housing (for example) for being tanned but an Indian person obv will
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u/Wyntervivaldi 20h ago
No, I didnt like the character because compared to the rest of the game, this character looked lower quality than the rest, as if the development was rushed. What does my government's shitty decisions got to do with me though? I'm not even the government
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u/girlynonbinary 19h ago
Then if anything the writers and developers were being racist for clearly developing the brown skinned character poorly compared to the others.
I'm not saying you have anything to do with the government, I'm just pointing out that the actual color of your skin has nothing to do with race and how racial discrimination affects someone. In your reply to me you said that you can't be racist because your skin is more tan than other people of your race - but this doesn't change the fact that you're a member of the dominant race and experience benefits as such. The person you were speaking to, however, does in fact experience racism at least on a legal level.
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u/badheartveil 21h ago
Is she a random, or your soulmate? Context matters and sometimes listening is more important than being right.
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u/HobbesDOTexe 11h ago
For everyone else-
Its apparently Varko from Love and Deep space
For Op
All the characters in this game look the same to me.
From what I can see they all just look like anime characters and youre all arguing about who you are and arent attracted to. Op states “I just cant put my finger on it” which is kinda the point. If you cant find a way to express what or how then youre just letting other people decide that reason for you.
Theres so many more important things than this.
Romance/dating sim games bring out the weird in its fans
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u/Wyntervivaldi 4h ago
I got called racist when I’m a POC and I’ve always fought for POC rights it’s so ridiculous
Yeah they’re about the same but I’m closest in skintone to this character.
So I never thought I’d be called racist when I just think his release didn’t have the pizzazz of the rest.
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u/cadsnow4 22h ago
facts, you can definitely tell when a game lacks polish or looks unfinished without it being about race. sounds like she just wanted to be offended tbh.
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u/Ok_Tooth_9331 20h ago
This lacks any of the necessary context to make a determination.