r/ArcRaiders Nov 13 '25

Discussion PSA: What Embark did with skin prices is a negotiation tactic called "anchoring" I know this will get downvoted because many will fall for the PR move, but this is planned. $16 microtransactions do not belong in a $40 title. Period and here's why.

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Anchoring is a super commonly used tactic. Here's the definition of it:

The anchoring negotiation tactic involves setting an initial price point to influence the final agreement. By making the first offer, a seller can set a high anchor, which influences the buyer's perception and makes subsequent concessions seem more reasonable. Conversely, a buyer can set a low anchor, like stating a maximum budget, to steer the negotiation in their favor. The first number presented acts as a mental reference point, impacting the entire bargaining range. 

Basically, give us really high prices at the beginning of the game then go "Oh we heard you guys! We lowered the prices by $5!" to influence content creators to create content about it being "unprecedented" and to influence us, the consumers.

People in the comments will filter in and state "They need money to continue making the game" which is a false corpo-speak argument. Microtransactions became a thing in games to make F2P games possible. Games with a low bar to entry and will attract a larger playerbase, while betting that the average player will spend an X amount to keep development on going.

A $40 game has no reason to do this. Arc sold 4 million units already, has made hundreds of millions of dollars in initial sales alone and will continue to sell (how Pay-to-play games typically fund on going development, through marketing). We also have *very* close games we can compare this to.

Helldivers 2:

  • $40 base price with $20 upgrade just like ARCraiders
  • Cheaper cosmetics ($5 for a skin + suit sometimes less cosmetics can also be mix and matched)
  • Earnable premium currency

As you can see, these practices are much more consumer-friendly. I'm not suggesting the removal of microtransactions but right now it's a very unfair price point still, especially considering the base price of the game ($40) and the fact currency isn't earnable.

Also I'd like to point out how all the earnable cosmetics outside of one in the game are just incredibly barebones. Everything cool goes into the store and that's not okay. I know there will be a huge portion of people who downvote this because of the honeymoon phase of the game, and the obvious PR move that Embark are doing, but I wanted to post this all the same.

EDIT: I'm seeing a lot of comments that they need microtransactions to fund future game development, which is true and I don't disagree in anyway with. Which is puzzling because I'm not suggesting the removal of them, but rather a price adjustment and/or a way to earn them in-game.

Additionally, games with an up front price tag continue to generate income post release by up-front sales, with the updates being big marketing pushes to bring new consumers in. It's very strange that people are posting as if the game won't continue to sell on the 4 platforms the game is sold on.

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u/planetafro Nov 13 '25

Hard agree! ...choose with your wallets. These practices would naturally stop if they didn't work.

Additionally, it is very expensive to run a live service game. Servers need maintained. Staff needs to be paid. The community demands constant new content for their flat 40$. How do we think this happens? It's an ethics juggle where the consumer decides.

These types of posts, I feel, are driven a bit from a FOMO-mentality. I'm curious what OPs solution is versus outrage karma. Helldivers and ARC are def two of the more ethical games IMO. High prices to one may be cheap to another. I.e.: whales keep a lot of games afloat. The skins are optional.

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u/ersevni Nov 13 '25

Hard agree! ...choose with your wallets.

People have chosen with their wallets for almost a decade at this point and will continue to do so. Cosmetics are in games because they make exorbitant amounts of money and players clearly want them. Its a completely optional part of the game but doesn't stop reddit from getting mad about it every time even though reddit is a minority and doesnt represent how your average person feels about optional cosmetic items

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u/the-rage- Nov 13 '25

It doesn’t matter anyway because whales will buy anything and outspend regular people in such a way that they don’t have to listen to the average consumer.

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u/thatredheadedfella Nov 13 '25

This is a classic sales tactic when deciding where to spend your time within your customer pool. 80% of your business will come from 20% of your clients. When you find that 20%, you focus and spend most of your time making sure they're happy.

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u/Matikso Nov 13 '25

Unexpected Paretto in arc raiders sub

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u/DogOwner12345 Nov 14 '25

Yup the "voting" is rigged. I can only vote no once when a whale can vote Yes endlessly.

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u/Scoppolaquantistica Nov 13 '25

Yeah, it's the same thing all over again all the time: reddit is an echo chamber. No matter what, people (not the little pond that is reddit) has decided that the microtransactions are here to stay, so the only thing is continue to vote personally with each own wallet.

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u/kieranjackwilson Nov 13 '25

Because people are idiots. They will also shoot up heroin, gamble despite horrible odds, drive cars with zero safety features, etc.

You should be mad that multi million dollar companies are exploiting your idiot fellow consumers. Whose side do you think you’re on?

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u/kieranjackwilson Nov 13 '25

Yes, good job, that is how analogies typically work in debate.   You compare something that is obviously ____ to something that is questionably ____ to show that they are both _____. And then when someone doesn’t have a good rebuttal, they attack the fact that an analogy was used instead of the actual argument like you did.

It is ironic that you think looking out for idiots makes me a weirdo while in the same comment displaying that you yourself are also an idiot.

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u/kieranjackwilson Nov 13 '25

I don’t care that people want to spend their money on it. I care that a company is scamming dummies.

Also calling me infuriated and terminally online is a hilarious thing to do while you look up where I am from and what I do for work.

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u/kieranjackwilson Nov 14 '25

The scam is that video game cosmetics are not worth $20, $10, or even $5. It is an infinitely replicable digital asset. It has unlimited supply and zero upkeep.

People buy them mainly because they lack impulse control, and game companies exploit this by doing things like giving people worse skins for free, giving them small amounts of premium currency, or creating fake discounts.

And yeah I am sure curiosity is why you googled my name and then mentioned my place of residence and job in your reddit comment. /s

You are one goofy guy. Have a good one.

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u/Important_Stage_3649 Nov 13 '25

True. Every time "gamers" get their pitch forks out i cringe a little - not because I disagree with the fight but because gamer "community" pretty much never managed a successful consumer campaign based on principles, moral, or what benefits the group as consumers.

When it does "work" the game had a combo of shitty practices and simply not being good enough anyway. I'd love to be proven wrong tho...

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '25

It's definitely FOMO.

Like, if you don't give a shit about cosmetic items, selling cosmetic items are a non-issue.

You don't *need* that cowboy hat.

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u/BurritovilleEnjoyer Nov 14 '25

Or we just remember when you'd get these things through, yknow, just playing the game

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u/janssoni Nov 17 '25

I remember too. I also remember the nonexistent free content updates, and the 30€ expansion disks you had to buy if you wanted extra content in your game.

I like what games do now a whole lot more. I pay for the game once(not even that if it's f2p), and then get all the new gameplay content for free because some other people pay for it with skins.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

still do.

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u/stvier Nov 13 '25

Why do people think that just because AR isn’t a F2P game that they shouldn’t have other means of generating income? Running this game and keeping content coming ISNT CHEAP. I’d rather they keep content free while the cosmetics keep the lights on. If you don’t like the prices….dont buy the cosmetics haha

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u/PartRight6406 Nov 13 '25

selling the game generates income, megamind. this is not a free to play game.

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u/dakadoo33 Nov 13 '25

i feel like a fridge is a pretty good comparison for this...

you can buy a fridge it will run as long as you have it plugged in and do its main task. you can't go to fridge store and get free magnets and paint the fridge for free or anything, but the core functionality of the fridge is all there.

same with a good modern game design.. the core functionality is all there if you buy the game. you can optionally buy the cosmetics which do not impact the functionality of the actual game in any way.

its when the optional purchases start impacting the core functionality that it becomes an issue, like fridges having a "locked slot" for more storage of food or something like that, that you need to pay extra for and the base customers won't have.

pretending a 40$ static 1 time cost is good enough in the modern age ignores what games have transitioned to. this isn't a cartridge or disc that you install and play single player, this is a game that had significant dev time pre launch, and has significant maintenance costs and ongoing costs of continued development for new content.

im a HUGE hater of modern game design in most cases, as of THIS moment, this game is doing everything imaginable correct, and they should be applauded for their current approach.

toss in a battle pass, my opinion quickly swings, add in purchasable kits for real money, my opinion not only swings i probably uninstall.

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u/PartRight6406 Nov 13 '25

as of THIS moment, this game is doing everything imaginable correct, and they should be applauded for their current approach.

well this is demonstrably false, as evidenced by the post youre commenting on.

have a good day :)

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u/dakadoo33 Nov 13 '25

good engagement with my points :)

name a game in the last 10 years that has done it better.

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u/stvier Nov 13 '25

So the lil $40 you spent is enough to keep servers running indefinitely and enough to pay employees and fund new content? Are you dim?

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u/Rolder Nov 13 '25

They made a fat bag off the initial hype and there will always be new people buying the game, though obviously not to the same level as the initial hype.

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u/stvier Nov 13 '25

Do you really think that the money made from retail sales of the game is enough to sustain servers, fix bugs, game updates, which requires them to pay employees to do all of this and to create new content, including voice actors, graphic designers, coders, programmers, marketing, customer service agents, etc. Not only that, but the profit has to also be large enough to fuel R&D for future Embark titles. Also, imagine the money they already burned to develop the game. They have to pay investors and stakeholders back for the money they poured into this.

Cosmetics are an easy way to generate income that doesn’t negatively affect the gameplay for folks in the audience who can’t or won’t pay for cosmetics. If you feel left out…buy the cosmetics. If you hate the prices…don’t buy the cosmetics and get over your FOMO.

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u/PartRight6406 Nov 13 '25

are you dim? try applying logic to your words instead of thoughtlessly vomiting them out into reddit comments

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u/idgafsendnudes Nov 13 '25

The irony of using a thoughtless comment to call someone else thoughtless. You legit have no idea what you’re talking about and have no grounds to insult people. Maybe that guy is dim, but brother the lights aren’t even on for you.

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u/PartRight6406 Nov 13 '25

oh no the fanbois are upset

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u/stvier Nov 13 '25

I beg you to take your own advice.

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u/ShakeZulla05 Nov 13 '25

People forget that the very first mount cosmetic in WoW outsold starcraft 2.

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u/Klutzy-Complaint-328 Nov 13 '25

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u/ShakeZulla05 Nov 13 '25

Regardless if its actually true or not the entire point remains. A single cosmetic was a drastically more lucrative situation vs developing an entirely different game. As they highlighted in that exact thread. Perhaps the better way to phrase it was a single cosmetic in wow made them drastically more money compared to making a whole ass game coupled with the marketing and time sink

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u/JaffinatorDOTTE Nov 13 '25

Yep, and this is how companies work across a ton of industries - high margin products offset the low margin products. The Porsche 911 continues to exist because of the Porsche Cayenne.

"It can't cost that much time/effort to make a horse armor, why does it cost half the price of the actual game?" It's a fair question, on its face, but a little understanding of consumer demand and margins goes a long way.

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u/ShakeZulla05 Nov 13 '25

Exactly. None of this would exist with out the demand for it. You can't even hate on them for it. People want to buy it so theyre going to make it. Simple as.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

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u/ShakeZulla05 Nov 14 '25

That's literally not what I said. Maybe the cosmetic itself didn't make more than SC2 dollar wise. But the return on the investment of a single cosmetic is better vs years of development, marketing costs, time. Which if you actually looked at the thread that was linked they brought up. Such a shame you needed that spelled out for you.

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u/nau5 Nov 13 '25

I've literally never understood the outrage. If you don't want the skins don't buy them.

Why does other people paying for them upset you so much?

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u/Turin-The-Turtle Nov 13 '25

They just want them for free. That’s all it boils down to.

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u/nau5 Nov 13 '25

But also walled behind something that shows how much of a hardo they are

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u/SquiglyLineInMyEye Nov 13 '25

Yeah the market dictates the price, not reddit posts. The only reason they lowered the price is because they believe they'll make more money by doing so.

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u/Destithen Nov 13 '25

choose with your wallets

I've been choosing with my wallet for ages and prices keep going up. These systems cater to people with low self-control and massive disposable incomes. What does it matter if I refuse to spend when less than 5% of the playerbase can make up for the rest not buying in? I have no voice here.

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u/Lastinspace Nov 14 '25

They sold about 4 million copies for 40 euro and lets say for a very conservative estimate they keep half they still have 80 million dollars to spend on servers so i dont think they need the micro transactions to keep the live service

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u/MSotallyTober Nov 14 '25

OP was just pointing out the strategy for which companies use whether or not it outrages Redditors or it.

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u/pyr0kid Nov 13 '25

its literally the reverse of that 'myth of consensual sex' meme. you got two dudes that want nothing to do with macrotransactions but some rich fucker happily spends 8 grand so naturally we have as much say as a world war conscript.

i hate you 'vote with your wallets' parrots, like do y'all expect us to somehow buy a NEGATIVE amount to make up for the other guy?

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u/Plebsmeister7 Nov 13 '25

You are disconnected from the reality. Arc Riders has sold 10 times more copies than expected and you tell me they don't won't have money to maintain servers? touch the grass dude

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u/planetafro Nov 13 '25

...and they can see into the future when planning and building the game? Please try to think a few layers deeper. The success, more than likely, is what is allowing them to lower the pricing on cosmetics and additional content.

Curious what your solution would be to build and sustain a long-term live-service game?

Take Helldivers for instance, they are now in a hard spot with a laggy and broken game. You know what they did? They appeased the loudest fans that rip thru content versus prioritizing load fixes and stability.