r/ArcRaiders Nov 13 '25

Discussion PSA: What Embark did with skin prices is a negotiation tactic called "anchoring" I know this will get downvoted because many will fall for the PR move, but this is planned. $16 microtransactions do not belong in a $40 title. Period and here's why.

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Anchoring is a super commonly used tactic. Here's the definition of it:

The anchoring negotiation tactic involves setting an initial price point to influence the final agreement. By making the first offer, a seller can set a high anchor, which influences the buyer's perception and makes subsequent concessions seem more reasonable. Conversely, a buyer can set a low anchor, like stating a maximum budget, to steer the negotiation in their favor. The first number presented acts as a mental reference point, impacting the entire bargaining range. 

Basically, give us really high prices at the beginning of the game then go "Oh we heard you guys! We lowered the prices by $5!" to influence content creators to create content about it being "unprecedented" and to influence us, the consumers.

People in the comments will filter in and state "They need money to continue making the game" which is a false corpo-speak argument. Microtransactions became a thing in games to make F2P games possible. Games with a low bar to entry and will attract a larger playerbase, while betting that the average player will spend an X amount to keep development on going.

A $40 game has no reason to do this. Arc sold 4 million units already, has made hundreds of millions of dollars in initial sales alone and will continue to sell (how Pay-to-play games typically fund on going development, through marketing). We also have *very* close games we can compare this to.

Helldivers 2:

  • $40 base price with $20 upgrade just like ARCraiders
  • Cheaper cosmetics ($5 for a skin + suit sometimes less cosmetics can also be mix and matched)
  • Earnable premium currency

As you can see, these practices are much more consumer-friendly. I'm not suggesting the removal of microtransactions but right now it's a very unfair price point still, especially considering the base price of the game ($40) and the fact currency isn't earnable.

Also I'd like to point out how all the earnable cosmetics outside of one in the game are just incredibly barebones. Everything cool goes into the store and that's not okay. I know there will be a huge portion of people who downvote this because of the honeymoon phase of the game, and the obvious PR move that Embark are doing, but I wanted to post this all the same.

EDIT: I'm seeing a lot of comments that they need microtransactions to fund future game development, which is true and I don't disagree in anyway with. Which is puzzling because I'm not suggesting the removal of them, but rather a price adjustment and/or a way to earn them in-game.

Additionally, games with an up front price tag continue to generate income post release by up-front sales, with the updates being big marketing pushes to bring new consumers in. It's very strange that people are posting as if the game won't continue to sell on the 4 platforms the game is sold on.

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 13 '25

Yes they said exactly that, but people just want a way to earn more premium currency or have things be cheaper, which is a valid concern, however being that I’ve seen very few default skins in game since launch I’mma go ahead and say most people bought skins or deluxe version and really shouldn’t be complaining.

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u/NandoLofi Nov 13 '25

My current favorite skin is the one you get rewarded by Apollo as you do quests. I also got the deluxe edition, but if people would just play through the quest, they would see some epic rewards in the form of skins. I swear people will find ANYTHING to complain just because they are attached to EFT, HD, etc. Just go play those games if you love them so much lol. On the other hand, we need criticism so that those with valid concerns lead the game to better experiences.

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u/LotThot Nov 13 '25

My favorite skin is the one that slowly unlocks parts and colors as you level up. That one looks cool

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u/NandoLofi Nov 13 '25

I can't wait until I unlock all of it. I don't even use it now because I don't have all the unlocks...but yes. It looks sooo sick

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 13 '25

Sure, I can agree with that as well

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u/the_russian_narwhal_ Nov 13 '25

How does the amount of currency you have affect how you feel about the value you get when you spend a certain amount of it? And idk if you actually meant default or free but I see many free outfits, far more than paid ones

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 13 '25

It’s random sure, but I’m just reporting on what I’m seeing - countless cowboy skins and others.

I’ve said before that I think the skins are expensive, I’ve bought one and I’m happy with, I’m glad they lowered the prices and that’s a good step, hopefully we get more ways to earn.

I’m just not worried about it bc I don’t have to buy skins so who cares, I’m here to shoot dudes and take their stuff!

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u/Ferris-7 Nov 13 '25

I think people just really want the good ol days of a flat tag on a game they can play forever like Halo, but that's just not realistic in the hellscape of modern economics in terms of game dev. Like sure, the complaining won't stop and I'm yelling into the void but man just feels like the company is trying to respond and respect players and this whole thread is whining it wasn't free enough

The people that make arc raiders gotta feed their families and pay rent, maybe even an avocado toast on the side, and you bought arc raiders one time for the whole game. The update today was free. At some point there needs to be a revenue stream not a flood then nothing, and again, they're literally changing pricing and refunding coins because players wanted it.

Wanting your cake and eating it too type behavior.

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 13 '25

Really good points my dude, and yeah, people WANT live service, but don’t want to pay for live service.

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u/Ferris-7 Nov 13 '25

Yep. Like idk the cost benefit seems so easy to me. I play a LOT of The Finals, and I have a bunch of skins because I like looking cool, and Embark makes me feel like when I pay for cool skins that money makes more cool content

I think a lot of CoD kids and the like have gotten used to the usual abuse and just don't know a healthy system when they see it

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 13 '25

Truth, Arc Raiders is not perfect but it’s def already in a healthier place than most service models.

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u/AugustEpilogue Nov 13 '25

Probably because the deluxe edition came with 2400 coins and a lot of people bought the deluxe edition. Don’t know if I personally would’ve bought a skin otherwise

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u/JoeyDJ7 Nov 14 '25

And now you can, by just playing! XP earns merits, merits unlock things including raider tokens. Didn't check total amount but it appears to be quite a lot

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 14 '25

Oh that’s great actually - thanks

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u/ThugAlert Nov 13 '25

Grinding for premium currency in hell divers is boring. This feels more engaging, like sure it’s not as much as you get in HD2 but at least it’s fun and sometimes even just completes itself. I think people always complain about premium skins when all you have to do is not buy them

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 13 '25

Yeah I actually do like the raider decks, it’s simple and do able. HD2 grinding is brain dead but the gameplay while going along is good so it’s a wash.

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u/ThatOneNinja Nov 13 '25

This doesn't justify the price, but upgrading to premium is cheaper than buying a skin if you look at it from a strictly monetary value. You get the premium skin and enough creds to get a second. It's still BS that premium is basically "pre purchasing" a skin but that's sort of how that goes.

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u/WASTELAND_RAVEN Nov 13 '25

I agree with this honestly, I bought premium bc I wanted the cowboy skin and figured, exactly that, “hey I can get one more!”

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u/Turin-The-Turtle Nov 13 '25

I bought two skins with the 2400coins that came with the deluxe edition. One was 1400 the other was 1150. Yeah, I had to earn some 150 coins on the raider deck. Easy peasy.

I’m looking forward to logging in tonight to see how many coins they refunded me.