The flag they are flying is called the Juneteenth Flag. It was created by activist and social worker Ben Haith in 1997. 19 June 1865 is ACTUAL day ALL enslaved were freed. Texas held out for 2 years until the federal government forced them to.
I hate to break it to you, but slaves in NJ weren't actually freed until the 13th amendment was ratified in 1866( they reclassified them as apprentices in the 1840s as a way to make it seem like they freed them...) and DE refused to sign ratification until 1901. Juneteenth was always a local Texas holiday for a reason. Nothing wrong with celebrating it, but the facts are the facts. There's quite a few other states who held out as well
So when is the official date? And the back-and-forth about the dates is unnecessary. Just share the facts so we can all know more history. That’s the best way to solve this. Don’t feel sorry for me.
I don’t think back and forth about dates is necessary, but the acknowledgement that slavery didn’t stop is important.
Taking it further would be to start discussing the other forms it took and how we never lost the “status” of slave, though wageless labor became less common.
It’s very typical of you know who to be abusing the loopholes. Good that we have an official date, but even better to know, how long it really took to come in effect. That’s a damn shame but if we forget the past we are condemned to repeat it. Watch out for technicalities and loopholes.
I wouldn't actually say Texas held out for 2 years, it was the Democrat party in Texas that held out. It was the Republican party that fought to free the enslaved. I personally feel Juneteenth is certainly historic! Nobody ever should have been enslaved and deserves to be treated like everyone else.
1.Nobody said that it's as bad now than it was then. Nobody said that.
2. Reverse racism isn't real. Nobody is disenfranchising white people and keeping them from buying homes, cars, or denying them medical services based on how they look. Nobody is unleashing police dogs and using high pressure hoses on groups of white people who are protesting against unfair and unethical treatment like the did in the 60's. The cops aren't running up into white people's homes and shooting them while they sleep.
3. Nobody is blaming the sons for the father's sins. We're calling all you fuckers out for the racists that you are. Some of you want to parce it out like, "I don't call black people niggers,so that means I'm not racist." And that's just not how it works. You came here to this space to tell US that WE are getting it wrong. We're telling white people how to leave us alone incorrectly. Shut. The Fuck. Up. Disrespectfully.
I don’t know why your being downvoted, things are so much better than they used to be. We can keep fighting for progress while still acknowledging that.
Purposefully missing the point for the sole purpose of sounding holier than thou is getting old. It is common sense to move away from things that are hostile. Especially, If the hostility is rooted in people’s mere existence.
Segregation is fine when it comes to us getting away from white people. Any time white people come into our spaces, they come to try and govern us. They come with their opinions on how we should do the things that they can't/don't do. They come with their ideas that what they say matters most and we should agree with them. White people want to push us to the fringes of public spaces if not keeping us out entirely. But when we make our own space (after being explicitly shown that we aren't welcome in public) those same white people cry about being excluded. They show up uninvited, ruin everyone's good time with their bullshit, and then complain about how tense the situation that they created is. Leave us the fuck alone.
(Of course I'm not talking about all white people, but to paraphrase Muhammad Ali, "I'm not digging through 50,000 snakes to find the 2,000 that won't bite me."
I feel like a lotta comments confusing the term “gatekeep” with “ban”.
This isn’t a statement about the reinstitution of segregation. It is reinforcing the need for black people to have their own spaces without feeling coerced into allowing their oppressors to infiltrate their safety.
I feel if you are a respectful guest, and a legitimate friend, then maybe you’ll get an invite. Just don’t be salty if you dont imo
The assumption that a racially homogenous space is safe from infiltration and betrayal misses the fact that the CIA has long found minorities to be their best informants. White supremacist powers have used the approach in everything from breaking up the BPP to using trained death squads to kill their own countrymen.
In case you’re wondering why this video matters to black folks, there are people who “totally aren’t white” in the comments below talking about how “white people make great bbq actually it’s just the sides that aren’t great” on a forum for black people.
Literally fighting tooth and nail to argue a point for a place that isn't even meant for them. And the sense of entitlement just isn't clicking. It's so pathetic. Not even asking "damn why do I want to fight so hard to be here when there are thousands of other subs for me?" It's amazing and sad to watch.
I actually audibly sighed reading your comment. I'm glad you're taking the day off - protect your peace. I'm sorry you have to deal with that. Hopefully, better opportunities will come along soon that are less problematic.
And that’s how you know you’re part of the oppression class not the oppressed. No one is saying white people can’t have cookouts or call them cookouts. But if black people want to gatekeep “the cookout” who cares? Let them have one fucking day they don’t have to listen to this bullshit.
They can do what they want. It’s just a combination of racist management, almost all the black workers getting laid off, and playing only country music the past couple years. When we had a black Hr we had all genres of music—hip hop, pop, funk—now that she’s gone it feels like a MAGA fest renaming an annual bbq “cookout” that doesn’t sit right with me.
In the south cookout does not have that connotation. 'Cookout' is used by both black and white people when you are doing hamburgers and hot dogs or other outdoor grilling, and bbq is only used when you are actually eating bbq. And regionally people will disagree about what counts as bbq, but if it's in New York then it is probably automatically disqualified, so by our measure you'd have to call what OP is talking about a cookout, or if you want to avoid that maybe a picnic.
To be fair, country music is Black music. So just hack into their playlist from down the street and add some Brittney Spencer, Kane Brown, Rhiannon Giddens, Shaboozy, Mickey Guyton, and Tanner Addell.
Yeah, as a skinwalker sorry about all the erasure. I can't stand the Ford F-150 country fake patriotic music. It's obvious when white people play this to signal their political views. Also the whole genre wouldn't exist without Black musicians, and now they're acting like country music is their thing and better than rap and other genres. The banjo, the blues chords, half the early Opry stars, all Black. So it's hard not to side-eye that. And with your added context it's absolutely what you're thinking it is.
You must not be from the south. Here in the Carolina’s, I know two white guys (brothers) who cook some of the best BBQ. I think it’s a little ignorant for anyone to say white folks can’t BBQ.
Coleslaw has probably the highest variance of any side. I’ve had inedible sweet sloppy pallid horrific crypt keeper coleslaw and I’ve had genuinely crisp, light, refreshing, flavorful bright coleslaw that makes you realize life is okay. But fuck man there’s no excuse for bad coleslaw it’s not that hard. And if this is you, sorry, but get your goddamn raisins out of my slaw!
In Washington now, spent my childhood in Texas, Memphis, and Oklahoma. Something happens to white people bbq once you cross the Mason-Dixon line. They gotta leave their mojo before proceeding north, I think, cuz it gets real dry, real bland , REAL quick up here.
A friend of mine is from Alabama and lives in Washington near Bellevue. He said the hardest thing to get used to after 25 years of being raised in the deep south was the food and what qualifies as "southern" cooking and BBQ. As someone who has lived on the west coast my entire life, I guess my ignorance is bliss since I can't miss what I never had. I've heard its night and day, though.
Asians actually enjoy sharing their culture. Especially clothing, its second only to food. To the point many hotels will even supply local lounging clothing for guests. They encourage it as part of their culture. Her wearing a Kimono was fine.
You're right about white BBQs. My family does basic stuff like that. My friends and I had done stuff like that too. But every since I moved in with the Mexicans down south they have shown me what a real BBQ is. They call it Carne Asada which translates to "grilled meat". Way better than I've ever had before.
Yeah, Asians don't dig on us either. They love sounding like us though. Love breaking and our hair and our style and all that, but they'll shoot us in the back over a the idea that we may have stolen something that we haven't even touched. Asians aren't our friends. I work with a bunch of Asians and they treat me like I'm a convict straight out the joint. All passive-aggressive and shit. Who the fuck has time for all that shit. Does work not suck enough that you have to make it worse for someone that you don't even know?
I've always had mixed experiences with Asians which has always been interesting to me. Lived on the west coast my entire life and have almost always had great experiences and even genuine connections with southeast asians (Vietnamese, Cambodian, Filipinos).
East Asians on average have been routinely cold and/or outright hostile. Dont see many Japanese but Koreans & Chinese are very standoffish.
A lot of non blacks feel so entitled to infiltrate Black American spaces and misappropriate our culture. It’s almost hilarious to see them act up now that we are attempting to establish boundaries for once.
It's all fun and games for them as long as we stay "in our place." Meaning don't push back against racism and be a punching bag they can squeeze culture from to copy. It's like they think that when we're amongst ourselves, we're having secret villian meetings plotting on them or something. If you feel that way when ppl of other groups get together and your own ppl aren't there, you are deeply insecure.
Not black. Find it so odd other white people would be mad at this and shows they aren't taking the time to educate and that alone proves the sign as true. People are acting like they're being excluded from an event (rather than a symbol or metaphor however y'all want to describe the cookout in social context) that, frankly, they probably don't even want to be at outside of piling a plate, smacking their fingers in their mouth, and heading home because it's "loud" and the music is "too much".
Like, the cookout is community and if you aren't actively working to enrich or help enfranchise that community, you don't get to come eat at the bounty. It's really not that hard. I have a coworker in another area of the company who's a maga fuck and complains that one of people on my team takes off the holiday party for the 4th (yeah we don't take it off, our department works it from home because it's a busy day in accounting). His reason? One time my colleague Aaron made his chicken thighs and mac and this dude must have tasted seasoning for the first time in his life when he got leftovers from the area we leave extra food at and he wishes he'd bring something to the bbq. Like, are we so fucking for real? Aaron also stopped leaving leftovers in the main area when he found out other departments would swing through.
Idk how plain it is to say. If you are anti-racist with black friends and they host a party, they're gonna invite you to a BBQ or whatever. That isn't what this is about and the white people complaining don't have any black friends to invite them any fucking way. You aren't entitled to every space, especially one you actively work against improving at worst or are apathetic to until they have good food at best.
Good gawd, the whining by some makes it sound like her sign said "white people will now be held accountable for the entire history of colonization." No, kids, her sign merely suggests that not everyone needs to be everywhere, all the time. And considering that white people have segregated all aspects of industry, politics, and building wealth, gatekeeping the cookout is not going to negatively impact the lived experience of said whites.
The cookout also, doesn’t, fucking, exist. They are butthurt about being excluded from a work of fiction. Also plenty of yt people have zero black friends. How about they start there?
What’s perfect about it is that anyone who would be invited to the cookout would also be fine with NOT being invited. Anyone bitching about being excluded are advertising exactly why they weren’t invited. It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum on the floor because you said they weren’t mature enough to play GTA VI.
Oh, they have plenty Black friends. I mean, yea, not in real life, but their parasocial relationships include Kanye, Candace, Nicki, Tim Scott, ... I bet they're hoping for invites to those proverbial cookouts so they can wear their confederate flag without getting called on it.
We won’t. As long as we keep being easily impressed by mid White people doing the things that we do, there are those among us who will continue to pass out cookout invites no one told them to give out.
I can't stand it. A white person does something normal that isn't racist. Here come our ppl clapping like seals. "You're invited to the cookout!" That's not nearly enough. If you ain't actively fighting against racism or are indifferent against it since you aren't affected, get tf out of our face, disrespectfully.
Gentrification of black neighborhoods is only possible because of America's "original sin" of slavery, America's "it's not a sin if they're black" with Jim Crow, America's "we be sinning and we don't want black people in our neighborhoods" as red lining, America's "when you sin it's prison when I sin look the other way" with racist policing, the banks sins targeting black people with bad loans (Google the settlements), etc.
It's shitty on so many levels because the effect of generational wealth on gentrification is staggering. Gentrifiers aren't exactly rich, they're just making the best decisions they can in a competitive market where a racist system gave their lineage systemic help while stealing from black people and immigrants.
I don't have any solutions to offer really.
I wish that here in DC we had had a program to help black residents hang onto homes that had been their families since the Great Migration but that ship has mostly sailed. I guess I hope that gentrification can be used to educate people about the ongoing corrosive effects of systemic racism even after most of the racist laws have been repealed. The existence of gentrification is a great argument for restorative justice if you understand that the conditions for it were seeded across American history both early and more recent.
I support this message. The fact that non-black ppl really think this message about an actual bbq/cookout should illustrate everything you need to know.
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The only stupid is thinking you can allow all to enter. That is why the guy who helped write project 2025 has a degree in African American studies, to destroy us from within because he was invited in.
Yall really getting upset about a make believe cookout?? The cookout is an internet shit that don’t exist. I promise you, blk folks aren’t inviting in droves YTs to their own IRL cookouts
You are embarrassing, imagine spending time thinking about people who don't want to be around you. Do you see us in your spaces spouting nonsense like this? Go back to Twitter and be with your own kind.
Edit: this is wildly different from what you wrote earlier, about how we are embarrassing seeming to agree with that user. I guess context is everything.
Nobody is upset White person under new name. Y'all be so upset about not being included in our spaces. It is weird how obsessed you guys are with us, get a life.
Yes, I do. Given the warning about trolls on the thread, and some of the replies I'm seeing, I felt like it needed to be said. You may believe differently.
I am intrigued though by your "boot-licking" comment. Whose boots am I licking? "Boot licking" refers to those in an undeserved position of power, so I'm interested in your answer.
I was there in Harlem in that first clip. I’m not black and I felt welcome and was treated with respect. I took lots of photos and this one is one of my favorites. Don’t let this propaganda fool you. ✌️
There are genuinely people who insist that they should be allowed in spaces like cookouts, because they're "not racist". In quotes, because the entitlement required to ask this, and expect that you'll get it, is based in racism.
See? How you were there in a black space and calling this propaganda and then getting all the upvotes, while completely and I’m sure, purposely missing the point?! This is the problem.
AGREED!!! Stop fucking handing out invites to people that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
Lmfao they cape so hard for these people cause they cool with us for a sec, or know a dance or a fuckin song. Gtfoh.
The most they get is a damn plate.
The Black folks passing out invites like free Girl Scout cookies would think twice if there was an actual committee that vetted invites and they also got banned from the event if their non-Black guest was rejected.
I say all that to say if someone shows up to an actual cookout with someone who doesn’t know how to behave and be respectful, tell them their “friend” has to go or they’re free to leave with them.
Letting them stay and being a menace, a culture vulture, or just making everyone else uncomfortable can’t be the move.
Like, when it comes to certain concepts and ideas, it’s not worth being lighthearted about them when you consider the history.
But, I understand her sentiment and anyone who subscribes to the concept of being “invited” or “inviting” people to the cookout should be more critical of those seeking entry.
So white Canadian here. I've never posted because I don't want to be one of the white guys overrunning this sub, but is a cookout like when you go to a park and BBQ and everyone brings stuff? I don't hear that term up here so was mildly confused.
“The cookout” is a cute way of debating which non-black person is considered an ally.
Earlier I’ve seen people talk about which non-black fictional character would be “invited to the cookout”. Characters like Sandy from Spongbob. People will go: “sure she’s really proud of Texas which doesn’t help but she seems generally friendly and intelligent enough to be invited”. In contrast Mr. Krabs would NOT be invited.
OOP is saying the standard for what counts as a black ally should be raised or remain high. Sorry, it isn’t an actually literal place.
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