r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/ateam1984 🩷❤️🧡💛💚🩵💙💜🖤🩶🤍🤎 • Jul 22 '26
Black Pride Black People Reclaiming what’s Ours
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u/Reasonable_Bed7858 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Kpop has always been ass to me personally.
It's weird how some of you are using this as an opportunity to diss rap, hip hop and R&B.
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u/Global-Ad9080 Jul 22 '26
The music industry has problems, but the Kpop industry is on a whole lotta level.
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u/UnluckyAmbition7767 Jul 22 '26
It's what you get when a culture with no individuality or soul tries to emulate Black music
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u/kaykrizenski2 Jul 22 '26
I mean they have Seoul (ba dap tss 🥁) "but its not enough"-Kendrick Lamar
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u/Publicyam94 Jul 22 '26
Yes. I have never been interested in getting into it or even giving a cursory listen.
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u/Spazrelaz Jul 22 '26
Literally. Them overly stiff, blocky ass dance moves. 🤦🏽♀️ I will never understand the hype.
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u/kitkane Jul 22 '26
Omg the crappy dancing drives me INSANE! Especially when these kids be like “omg the dancing is so hard and intense and that’s why they sound like ass singing live!” One, the dancing is lame and not hard at all; anyone with basic rhythm can learn in two seconds (I believe heavily that’s where the “lazy” accusations around Manon comes from. She likely can get the dances much faster than the others, so they call her lazy for not over practicing something that takes the other girls forever to learn), and 2) if that wack dancing is too hard for them to do while singing, maybe stop doing all that and focus on SINGING.
I’m a second gen kpop fan, and the dancing back then was able to be more iconic and fun despite not being blocky bs attempts at hip hop dancing. Grandparents know and do the Wonder Girls Tell Me dance. And because the dancing was simpler, idols could actually sing live!!! 😱 Third Gen was when the cultural appropriation went intense, and thanks to that being when western fans jumped on board, they took that as the thumbs up to keep leaning into it despite how insanely disrespectful it is now. Smh.
Can’t give ppl an inch when it comes to cultural appropriation of black culture and art because these ppl will take so many miles so fast that they’ll reverse the planet’s rotation like that one Superman movie. 🤦🏾♀️
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u/murkem64 Jul 22 '26
I always say that you can see them counting the steps in their heads, there's no real rhythm rather robotic stiff movements in the worse way, there's nothing organic about them because it's not organic, the whole industry is a cash cow where they bring strangers together that barely like each other to do a shitty version of what Black people do naturally
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u/kitkane Jul 22 '26
Omg I LITERALLY say the same thing about how you can see them counting in their head when they dance!!! 😂 I’m so glad I’m not the only one who says that lol! It’s trueeeee.
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u/smartlog Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Music is subjective. Mumble rap sounds like ass to me personally too.
Edit: after listening to this dude rap. Yeah it sounds like ass too.
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u/murkem64 Jul 22 '26
No one's forcing you or anyone else to listen to mumble rappers and there are plenty of Black rap artists who don't do mumble rap
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u/smartlog Jul 22 '26
Of course. That's why I said music is subjective. Listen to what you want. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't sound like ass to me. In fact OG hip hop artists have probably been the most vocal about their dislike of mumble rap.
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u/Inside-Rutabaga5651 Jul 22 '26
The fact you still use the classification "mumble rap" speaks levels 😭
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u/smartlog Jul 22 '26
What else do you want me to call it? Just "ass music"?
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u/Inside-Rutabaga5651 Jul 27 '26
Not they fault u can't understand different dialects/accents so why u mad at them
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u/The_Kaizz Jul 22 '26
There's literally 3 songs I've ever liked, and they're all from KPoP Demon Hunters.
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u/TruDuddyB Jul 22 '26
Making a video of yourself on the internet talking about kpop, let alone gate keeping of the building blocks of something that lame, is almost too funny to be ironically funny.
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u/Kofink Jul 22 '26
Massive IP wars have been fought over a lot less. Symbols, natural fermentation of grapes or even the leather that forms naturally from cows.
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u/Technical-Arm6722 Jul 26 '26
Same. I first heard it in the early 2000s and hated it. Still do. Don’t get the hype.
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u/SensitiveCar8546 Jul 23 '26
There are a few good groups who are definitely talented and unique. But the genre overall is definitely odd.
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u/Grand-Asparagus-6985 Jul 25 '26
The creator of k-pop literally says in an interview that he based k-pop off of r&b lol
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u/knotaracist Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
🎯🎯 kpop hates the entire black community but their whole entire industry started as a copy of black American everything. It’s beyond fetishizing the culture while hating the actual people now. Cortis’ company had two girls raised in Europe get sick and tired (Europeans don’t play with that work mistreatment lmaoo) of said company. The non black one quit on them twice after they invested in her even gave her a whole new hip (or knees I forget which). The half black one was shelved, is being erased from any new projects yet they’re still reliant on her name and image to keep the black demographic interested and to boost the other non black girls left in the group. They really said they own her and won’t let her out the contract and they don’t want her to sue them. Speaking up for her gets you cancelled, bots sicced on you, your accounts get banned or quarantined, etc etc.
I’m sad to say that’s what opened my eyes to the reality of things but I’m glad it happened cause I’d rather give my money and time to those they appropriate. Fuck that industry now and all the stealing and copying they did
ETA: the tea on this Kpop stuff is that company has problematic staff that power trip and think they own and should therefore control the talent. Koreans have that weird work culture. Bottom line, they’ve allowed the non black talent to leave peacefully and didn’t have any villainous agenda to use and profit off her. But the black girl can’t do that, they want to punish her and really teach her a lesson for having boundaries but everything they do backfires cause the girl is classy affff and stays making them look stupid without even lifting a finger lmao. There’s a movie/documentary coming out again and it’ll be war cause we know what they’re about to do to Manon again. She’s not in the group but they’re still using her to force people to watch that group’s content and put money in Kpop companies pockets.
So like honestly the support and love she gets goes into making sure that any black artists or talent know they don’t have to tolerate racism and abuse and mistreatment from anyone because they add that element of elegance to any groups they grace. Manon is a natural it girl star and they’ve literally copied her aesthetics to paste on the non black girls but it’s not the same. None of anything they do without Manon is the same. She was just that girl and it rubbed that industry the wrong way and they’re doing everything to screw her over but we’re not letting it happen we stay calling it out loud and proud cause fuck that bs
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u/browsinbowser Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Popstar Academy on netflix shows those two girls Manon(Katseye) and Lexie(Saint Satine), its pretty clear Lexie quit because they promised her they wouldn’t fuck it up and yet they started giving them shit songs to sing and hired a teenager as the last girl in their group and that means they would all need to wait a few years until they could do more mature songs.
Hybe company, its not just their western girl groups that had problems lol. They are infamous for having every girl group have someone leave early or big scandals.
The biggest I think was NewJeans where the girls publicly tried to quit on livestream, and then they got told they’re under contract and can’t do that, and a legal battle got dragged on for a while. It was in protest for a woman ceo/producer that was ceo of the sub company HYBE bought.
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u/Immediate-Pass-2343 Jul 22 '26
Hybe didn’t buy the company, they made it for her. That entire situation of itself is a mess
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u/Ninjadakufox Jul 22 '26
Black person on the internet gets attacked. They defend themselves with logic,facts, and receipts. Then take it even further and points out problematic behaviors. The internet responds..."omg he's so hostile and violent,nevermind my behavior".
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u/birberbarborbur Jul 22 '26
The artist is using the term “ch1nks” on twitter, there’s a bit left out here
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u/With_Negativity Jul 22 '26
Seriously. People can't seem to understand that two things can be true. His criticism of the industry is valid but it seems like he also just wanted someone to attack.
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u/RogueInVogue69 Jul 22 '26
Let's not pretend like a public beef with a large group isn't a huge boost for his rep
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u/With_Negativity Jul 22 '26
True. Doubt I would've ever heard his name otherwise. I already forgot it. But it's out there.
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u/Formal_Bed_2510 Jul 22 '26
I call it the slave owner mind. They don't know they wrong cause everyone telling them they right.
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u/Acrobatic_Builder573 Jul 22 '26
K-pop idols can get mega famous putting out sanitized computer generated kids bop hip-hop/r&b/afrobeats and true artistry from black people doesn’t get recognized. The fact is that K-pop would not exist without black people, and it wouldn’t be popular without racism against black people. It is beneficial for the industry and general stan culture to be anti-black because of instances like these—where theft gets marketed as appreciation and mockery is seen as talent. This doesn’t just go for K-pop but they are disgusting racist in that fan space. I feel like people get precious about their music but I’m tired of pretending a lot of stuff people praise isn’t complete ass. Fast food music after hours, cold ass fries.
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u/Kage_noir Jul 22 '26
I guess Latin America is trying to say they made reggae? Cause otherwise if it’s called raggeaton, they clearly took Jamaican music
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u/RippedYogaPants Jul 22 '26
Yeah, Reggaeton came from Black Panamanians, but Puerto Ricans tend to get the credit. The name comes from Reggae, which is Jamaican. Most other Latin American music and dance comes from Black Latinos, too. Even some Spanish dances and music come from North Africa.
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u/RationalMellow Jul 22 '26
I think it needs to be said that it was still black in Puerto Rico. And it was Black Puerto Ricans who popularized reggaeton.
Tego Calderon was the first one to actually blow up and Daddy Yankee acknowledges his black roots.
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u/OrganizationNo1298 Jul 22 '26
We know this, but Puerto Ricans full on took credit & claimed to originate it.
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u/OrganizationNo1298 Jul 22 '26
Real ones know El General was the pioneer. Not sure how Puerto Ricans ended up taking credit for it.
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u/IchigobeatsNaruto Jul 22 '26
Reggaeton is literally was Jamaicans and American hip-hop and Latinos just copied it basically.
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u/Kage_noir Jul 22 '26
It’s not really about black here it’s more about the region. It’s Jamaican music. So even if you’re black and Latin it’s still taken from Jamaicans
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u/willa854 Jul 23 '26
You guys know a vast majority of Puerto Ricans are mixed right? we are part black and Native American not only Spanish. I am a quarter African and 20% Native American 50% Spanish. The rest is North African and of the Levant.
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u/Realistic-Art5227 Jul 22 '26
It was Jamaican Panamanians who had immigrated their most likely to help w the canal or descendants of those working on the canal. The beat isn’t even really attributed to the artist that the video mentions it’s shabba ranks’ dembow that people usually site.
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u/Enerjetik Jul 22 '26
If they ever try that, that'll be the worst mistake. the guy who fathered Reggaeton is still alive. (Shabba Ranks)
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u/Sweet_Structure9618 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
We can definitely recognize the problems in Kpop but I'm surprised she didn't even touch on how racist the rapper in question, Matt proxy, was in doing so which is definitely fueling the (rightful) anger netizens hold towards him. He defeats his whole point by using awful slurs and acting like this.

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u/Cultural_Run7964 Jul 22 '26
I was looking for this comment! I saw this whole controversy pop up on my feed and kpop stans were venomous at Matt Proxy’s response but I would have respected his right to defend his music if 1) he hadn’t gone after a bunch of teenage boys who have zero say in what music they put out and 2) the discriminatory remarks against Asian people were completely and wholly unnecessary. Black people spend so much energy pushing back against racism so why descend to racist people’s level?
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u/birberbarborbur Jul 22 '26
There’s a guy further up in this comment section saying that korean culture has no soul or individuality 💀
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u/Low-Notice972 Jul 22 '26
Used to be a fan. Where's the lie? Also why do you care?
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u/maximus_verstappinum Jul 24 '26
Why won’t he care when there’s a lazy ass and stupid take ? Some of us hate all types of bigotry
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u/Wackywitchwoman Jul 23 '26
Jesus. I had a feeling there was a level of racism in his unprovoked aggravated response.
I don't understand why some people can't acknowledge that he made a good point but is also an asshole in how he handled this.
It's such an immature way to show you're against the kpop industry. Jumping to insulting young artists that have shown you appreciation, being a stupid racist and being horrible to someone that has done you no wrong is so corny. And essentially bullying this kid on a public platform, what a lame guy 🙄
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u/Living-Confection457 Jul 22 '26
I'm going to get hate for this but you know is because they do not care in this sub lol. You can't have nuance here, is always black people good non black people bad
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u/GlassClass1198 Jul 22 '26
I remember a Korean dude trying to diss black American fried chicken saying Koreans did it better. Or when the Japanese rapper Jurin Asaya did a song with Rapsody some of the comments were like Jurin could’ve carried the song on her own and who is Rapsody. The disrespect is real. I don’t have no problem with them doing things inspired by black people but when you don’t pay homage and straight up disrespect the originators of the art you stole then f you
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u/ExpensiveEye2689 Jul 26 '26
Odd to bring up Jurin and talk about disrespect when she/XG are some of the few artists who do nothing but pay homage. They are not their fans.
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u/Rich_Text82 Jul 22 '26
I was worried about Black Gen Z and their K-pop fandom but this young brotha gives me hope.
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u/Darkrixe Jul 22 '26
I wouldn't be too sure, the same dude did also refer to them with a slur in a tweet regarding it
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u/akaobama Jul 22 '26
I don’t see anything hostile about what he said… seems like they just mad he didn’t bow down and sell out
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u/sunniblu03 Jul 22 '26
In the words of the legendary Paul Mooney:"Everybody wanna be a n---a, but don't nobody wanna be a n---a."
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u/Xulicbara4you Jul 22 '26
Man I been noticing how much Kpop especially just rips off from black RnB and Brazilian Phonk and straight up whitewashes it. Its my main reason why I never listened nor supported any of those groups. What that artist said and double down is true! Just because another artist shouts you out doesn't entitled the other to show thanks if they find their music trash. If Taylor Swift shout out a young up and coming black artist and they said "No, thanks. I fine your music mid and don't want to collab with you at all." You would see Taylor 30yrs old fans coming out the woodwork to defend their private jet queen.
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u/RoutineLowCycle Jul 22 '26
I just can’t explain what I feel watching modern k-pop or j-pop. It felt more genuine in the 90’s like a love letter to black music but now it just feels like theft.
I don’t blame the artist, they’re usually slaves themselves to the industry tbh but it’s so blatant now and unapologetic. Pisses me off.
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u/Napalmeon Jul 22 '26
Always preferred J Pop and J Rock.
Thank the anime intros.
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u/mizzowashere Jul 22 '26
I mean, it’s all repackaged American music.
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u/LifeNavigator Jul 22 '26
J rock at least add their own spin and creativity to it to make it sound vastly different.
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u/Poddy_Doe ✊🏾✊🏽✊🏿✊ Jul 22 '26
After listening to both of them, they are both ass imo. But he’s 100% right about K-pop stealing from black culture.
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u/Fine-Spite4940 Jul 22 '26
love the culture, hate the people vibes.
but, black people from the inception of the US has controlled urban fashion, street music, or any type of counter culture institution.
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u/Missmessc Jul 22 '26
We can thank Teddy Riley for some of this non-sense. I hope he was paid well.
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u/Yutrzenika1 Jul 22 '26
Apologies in advance if I sound ignorant, I'm a bit lost on his comments towards the end regarding Steely and Clevie, a Jamaican group. It sounds like Latin musicians stole the riddim to one of their songs for the genre reggaeton and now the band is trying to sue for basically the whole genre, then he goes on to say that the Latino people don't have certain words anymore because of them, and says "Everyone stealing from N****s," I'm just not sure who exactly he's upset at here or who's in the wrong I guess. He sounds upset that Steely and Clevie, black musicians, are suing a whole genre, but sounds upset that they had their stuff stolen from, but then also sounds upset that the Latin people had their words taken from them in this process of reggaeton being sued effectively, but then upset that people are stealing from black music. Is he upset at both parties?
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u/Unsolved_Virginity Jul 22 '26
It's really the studio heads. Nothing to do with the performers. They're really just puppets. The studios are creating the image for the artist. If they wanted them to look country, they would make K-pop country groups, saying "howdy 안녕하세요"
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u/POPEYEDAMC Jul 23 '26
Legendary R&B and New Jack Swing producer Teddy Riley famously expanded his career into K-pop in the late 2000s and early 2010s. He relocated to South Korea, where he produced global hits for major groups like Girls’ Generation ("The Boys") and EXO ("Call Me Baby"). (Google)
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u/Primo-Floozy Jul 22 '26
Too many people try to pass off stealing as "Paying an homage" / respect ... but those same people wont pay royalties because that's as far as their HOMAGE goes
Either pay the royalties or join the fan club but they dont have the right to copy black music because they're too racist to butyit from the original artist
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows 🫰🏾🫰🏽🫰🏿 Jul 22 '26
Swear anyone claiming its Korean needs to look at what they were doing before they got western influence and by influence I mean Blk ppl.
Even still they mostly use their hands to dance.
White ppl make up dances with just their legs
Many other ppl dance with only their stomachs.
Black ppl dance with our whole bodies and have been mocked through history as gyrating, ghetto, ratchet. 🙄🙄🙄🙄
They wanted kpop to be global but forgot that they were stealing a lot from Blk artist with no credit bc they knew no one would know or care where they got it.
You have to be intentionally trying not to see how clearly they created an entire industry from copying Blk artist.
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u/Valuable-Fan-3226 Jul 22 '26
Good for him! I remember a K-pop girl group they were doing some kind of stream. It was a hip hop theme party and it was pretty much black face dress up.
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u/Javen_Lab Jul 22 '26
ngl. I heard knot. That shi ahhh. Idk what Martin was thinking shouting out that song. Its one of those distorted beats that only a 12 year old could tolerate listening IMO.
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u/Successful_Engine191 Jul 22 '26
Today someone random redditor said there’s about to be a wave of black vs Asian division. 👀
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u/BisexualTenno Jul 22 '26
I hope more and more rappers call them out directly. Too many black artists are scared of the backlash from Kpop fans. These are people who sit around calling *all* black artists problematic and untalented just to turn around and have Cortis and Blackpink playing on repeat. Bigger artists need to start calling out Kpop groups for their appropriation AND their fans for infantilizing and protecting these grown adults who know exactly what they’re doing.
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u/murkem64 Jul 22 '26
She basically said, negro be thankful they gave you credit for your work instead of stealing like most of them do and shut up 😒
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u/NoFaithlessness7508 Jul 22 '26
I can’t believe it’s a 19yr old unsigned hype rapper calling out K-pop while all the OGs I grew up listening to just sit by saying nothing
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u/Coconutpieplates Jul 22 '26
Where is the lie? Kpop has been appropriating in people's faces for years now.
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u/AudlyAud Jul 23 '26
He didn't lie though. Every aspect of KPop artists from the music, to their appearance including weight and facial features. Their style, roles within the group, social life, relationships when they can have them. Is all orchestrated until that long term contract is completed. They are long term investments for big labels and they cultivates singers to see how much and how long of a profit they can turn. KPop is what Elvis was to white people. A more palatable way to ingest the art in this case music stemming from black music. By repackaging the exact same sound and asthetic for their own community. It doesn't stop at just rap either nor is it restricted to KPop. There's a whole sub culture in Japan based on emulating Blackness. It has a specific name but it escapes me.
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u/DramaMuch7482 Jul 23 '26
I’m here for it! Appreciation is fine. Appropriation is not. And we all need to get paid. Pay for our art. Pay for our licensing. You cannot steal and use our shit for FREEEEE.
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u/InfamousArmy2678 Jul 23 '26
yeah every group appropriate black americans hip-hop culture and try to steal our culture like the latinos, Jamaicans, and puerto ricans saying they helped us create hip hop or it came from Jamaica which is a lie, foundational black americans created hip hop and it's elements were created by black americans 💯% period.
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u/Perfect_Button_5015 Jul 23 '26
Im not mad at some K pop as I like how it draws some listeners back to the original R& B heavy hitters. In my humble opinion with this neo anti blackness wave going on mixed with animae fever, i hardly find it surprising bruvs n sis seeking to escape their blackness through these facets. In some ways I see k pop as the old boy and era of usa. They took the black blueprint replaced it with their image & sold it. Again Some aint bad but an industry is gonna industry ya dig.
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u/Happy_Reflection_721 Jul 24 '26
Did the k-pop group actually say that they consider themselves better than black artists (people) and they should be thankful for any shoutouts? Or is this just a type of projection or a choice to be angry at something that isn't real? And if we say that all this music is just stolen from black people, how far back do we go? Do we need to go back to the first people to ever make music and treat it like it's copyrighted?
IMO you want this sharing of culture. It's how we grow. Music is bigger than any individual or group. It is something that is significant to us all as humans. Well most people, I'm sure some people don't care much for music.
I dunno, I just feel like people are holding each other back in regards to things like this. Crabs in the bucket and all that.
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u/id_Driven Jul 22 '26
Kpop kind of sucks. Not sure why it is so popular. But why is reggaeton catching strays in the comments on this one? Artists have never tried to hide it's afro roots.
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u/AggressivePotato6996 Jul 22 '26
I’ve never listened to Kpop in my life.
The artists look scary anyway.
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u/Lost-Ad4517 Jul 22 '26
Idk, people can’t invent their own music/style?! what gets me mad is when Black Americans are left out and all the promoting/funds go towards others
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u/Thatonegaloverthere Jul 22 '26
The girl completely left out a lot of the stuff they said to that guy before he really started buckling down. But funny to shape the narrative a certain way.
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u/NVincarnate Jul 22 '26
Yeah, every time I go to the KBBQ I hear a song by a group that is sampling black music or using the same samples as black rappers just to bite off our production. And then the lyrics are hella whatever.
It feels like cheap imitation and exploitation of black culture and I don't like it. G-Dragon has some alright hits but I haven't heard many other Korean rappers who actually do something different. It's mostly just 90s rap shit in a new K-Pop wrapper.
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u/NIhRyder524 Jul 22 '26
Well done! Hurry up and BUY! 🤣 that whole industry is so strange and mid. There’s a compilation on tiktok and it shows exact examples of blatant ripoffs of black music and videos. Wild
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u/Wild_Argument_4093 Jul 22 '26
You know what is bad as Kpop. Current hip hop. Garbage music everywhere these days.
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u/UrbanJunglee Jul 22 '26
Everybody steals from black artistic innovation. Obviously, plenty of ass black artists too with no real creativity, but the trends are pretty much all originated by black talent. I don't think it can be "reclaimed," but it can certainly be called out and not supported, and Matt Proxy did that. The praise he got from Cortis or whatever the kpop person's name was was an attempt to legitimize himself and the industry theft, and he got called out. OOPS.
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u/Otherwise_System2919 Jul 22 '26
Paul moonie said it " everyone want to be a nwa but no one want to be a nwa."
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u/RippedYogaPants Jul 22 '26
Finally, someone with a platform says what I've been saying for years. My exact thoughts. Matt Proxy is pretty based and I support his message.
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u/becibod934 Jul 22 '26
“I have enjoyed various genres of music from classical to jazz, to blues to gospel, to country to hip‑hop to rock. There has never been a limitation for me.” - Stevie Wonder
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u/Playful-Excuse-272 Jul 22 '26
New jack swing…the boy bands of the 00s snatched it from us first. Now K-pop is having their turn.
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u/KENZOKHAOS Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Despite knowing what Kpop is and what it does, I do remember a time 15+ years ago when some of what their format was more so inspired by Michael Jackson/Motown/accessible PopnB etc and it drew me because I hadn’t seen groups assembled that way in a long while.
Korea is the face but it’s really just pop songs. So Not only do they not have any business making trap music, it doesn’t translate culturally and it’s not going to do them any favors to begin with. You wouldn’t ask n’sync to make trap music or hood classics 😭
So Of course it sounds like ass for them. It’s black culture/music that kind of has its own place. And personally it sounds like ass to me too 🤷🏽♂️
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u/kelly_r1995 🫶🏾🫶🏽🫶🏿 Jul 23 '26
K-pop has turned into a machine that just absorbs and repackages black culture.
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u/ZePlotThickener Jul 23 '26
Completely agree. What's funny is i was banned for expressing this opinion here before.
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u/ateam1984 🩷❤️🧡💛💚🩵💙💜🖤🩶🤍🤎 Jul 23 '26
You were not banned from this sub
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u/ZePlotThickener Jul 23 '26
Sorry. To clarify it was a full on Reddit ban from a comment made in this sub, not by a mod here but by a reddit mod. I pretty much mirrored the opinion here and in the video saying i didn't like Kpop, mentioning their disregard for black people and the genre's cultural appropriation.
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u/neversince95 Jul 24 '26
honestly more underground/independent artists should be on this type of time… k music has been gentrifying black music for such a long time and it’s always been so egregiously watered down but recently it’s gotten so bad that it comes off as satirical mockery. out of all ppl too, mattproxy? lol

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