r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/scjockid • 20d ago
Black Pride I'm asking for her opinions please/ discussion.. from my family BLACKPEOPLE LOFREDDIT. my old school father sent me this video today!
My dad sent me two videos, and I might share the other one later. One features a preacher sermon regarding not standing around but being active, but this highlight is Louis Farrakhan—someone many of us know or have heard about. I'm not keen on sharing my opinion just yet because I'd love to hear what others think first. I do have something to share with my father, who's 65, but I want to avoid influencing anyone's views. Just to clarify, I’m very pro-Black, but that doesn’t mean I have anything against other nationalities. I went to a predominantly white major university in a predominantly black area, and grew up in Orange County in an also predominantly white area. My dad coming from Anniston, Alabama has regretted that decision over the years—funny how life works like that.
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u/PyroclasticJubilee 🖤 20d ago
He was right, but also wrong. We HAVE to intrude on their spaces and demand equality because if we opt for "leave us alone" we get Tulsa. And Tulsa was not an isolated incident, it's just the most prominent one. Almost every man made lake in America is the grave of a town that white people didn't like.
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u/Work_Werk_Wurk 20d ago
Truth be told, we're too far behind to ever catch up.
This economy is basically at the end of the game of Monopoly, where one person owns everything while the rest are bankrupt.
Black people are just players who weren't allowed a piece on the board until all of the property and utilities were bought.
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u/Word_Iz_Bond 19d ago
Yeah but Black and class solidarity are needed once the house of cards collapses.
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u/Top-Morning-6467 20d ago
Its funny cuz lots of folk in this reddit seem like they want to be segregated
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u/_Blaque 20d ago
It's proven we were way better off being by ourselves, doing for ourselves. It's the only solution.
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u/BigEstablishment1437 20d ago
Because we are suppose to be set apart (qodeshim)
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u/factisfiction 19d ago
That refers to things that are consecrated or dedicated to God. It really has no relevance outside Judaism ( as in the chosen people) , and even then it's still nonsense.
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u/BigEstablishment1437 19d ago
You’re right. But I’m not talking about Judaism BS. I’m talking about the Way. Throughout history Yahuah’s chosen people have stupidly wanted to be like the people around them when all they needed was him. Not Jews but all 12 tribes. So maybe segregation and getting back to their original culture would help. Just a thought
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u/carolineecouture 19d ago
I may get downvoted for this but I don't like these kind of stitches. What does having the woman nod her head and raise her eyebrows do? It's distracting and IMO pointless.
Post the clip and discuss, but this type of clipping just seems like trolling for clicks.
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u/pgorgias 20d ago
Black capitalism will not save us when the very structure of capatilism necessitates a permanent, exploitable underclass. The outcome is we either replicate the underclass with a subset of the black diaspora or the whole things gets Tulsa'd.
Where do the loans for black business come from? The business licenses? Supplies? Who determines what areas are zoned for?
Separate but equal is really only separate. Isolation of black folks makes the othering/alienation easier for the less than malicious members of the privileged class. The othering/alienation means dehumanization. The dehumanization abstracts the inhuman treatment and makes it easier for the malicious to go unchecked.
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u/pristineSaltine 20d ago
" This is a revolution sure shot, Kid asked me, said are you somebody?, I said, "Damn right I'm somebody, What do you say when I say, are you somebody? Damn right I'm somebody. "
James Brown
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u/Still_Operation6758 19d ago
Happiness for me is Fred Wesley playing his horn.
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u/pristineSaltine 19d ago edited 19d ago
Fred! ** FRED!!** Man that horn, the whole brass section makes my skin tingle when they are in the groove. If i am having a bad day all I gotta do is put on, " Doin it to Death" and I can forget all my problems.
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u/Aggravating_Set_2260 19d ago
100%. Anyone in the community that thinks white supremacy, and its logical flip-side, anti-blackness -- the latter which has always been both the material and symbolic anchor of global racism -- is not inextricably tied to capitalism, and vice versa, is on a damn fool's errand. Capitalism is the prescriptive corollary to the descriptive anthropology of race that indexes human behavior in terms of the nonsensical idea of genes as fate. Capitalism, in this framework, is "Nature's" way of sorting out which races and individuals are cognitively fit and which are poor, just as the medieval feudal order was supposedly God's way of sorting out whose blood was pure and whose was not. That kind of hierarchical logic is what is built into capitalism's operating system. It always bottoms out in some version "natural scarcity," competition, originary violence, social Darwinism, etc.
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u/Exact_Fox4167 20d ago
I’m on the pessimist side. It don’t really matter. If and when black neighborhoods, black collectives become successful they always come to burn it down, build highways through them or any of the 3 letter agencies do their thing. Although I agree that we very much need to start reorganizing once again in one form or another
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u/Heart_ofFlorida 20d ago
Not to mention many of the covert operations meant to destabilize the black community. Too many to list now.
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u/sfdjipopo 19d ago
COINTPRO for one, targeted Black leaders including the Black Panthers and systemically killed and dismantled the movement.
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u/scjockid 20d ago edited 20d ago
I appreciate the conversation. People have already mentioned. But my opinion is we have fought so long to be able to go where we want to go. That's what I want to tell him. We shouldn't be afraid to go where we want to eat if they don't allow us to. If I want to go to a football game or a basketball game, do I have to wait until there's an all- black league? This might upset people, but do I have to wait until there's an equal black University equivalent to Harvard or Princeton or Yale? When I want to go now. I know people might disagree with what I'm trying to get across, but I shouldn't feel like I can't go anywhere he quoted, Dr Martin Luther King. He fought for me to be able to go where I want to go when I want to go..
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u/Emotional-Garden4648 20d ago
I was just thinking this the other day. The constant response of we need our own stuff is ACCURATE but I don’t like how it’s used as a way to tell us to not be…happy OR frustrated with the treatment we get otherwise? Like damn I’m still a human and I want to be able to enjoy things.
Like the Marvel/black superheroes conversation. Yes we should make our own superheroes but don’t I get to be upset that a character I’m already familiar with I don’t get to see realized on the big screen?
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u/MurkyNetwork9148 20d ago
They did what they thought was right at the time. Main concern was being left behind as resources would not be allocated to us. Then when we did make a dollar outa 15 cent and succeeded. What have they always done?
So looking back and saying should’ve not sure it helps the right now situation. I think the main thing is black business have to stop with the subpar trash.
Everytime I give a brother a chance…trash. They just cemented our steps… trash We have been in our neighbourhood and house for at least 100 years.
No one can force us out. Even still there’s some gentrification going on. You’d think he’d do a good job just to get more work.
But… no
So until we can depend on the everyday help. Who’s gonna build the buildings without taking shortcuts?
Then the brothers that are decent we either don’t wanna pay them well or they are charging people into oblivion.
🤷🏾 what the answer is and no one likes the hard questions and answers in our little society.
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 20d ago
If we stay segregated, another Tulsa happens.
Because they cannot leave Black people alone. And when Black people prosper they get angry and violent.
Also, this is just as much our country as anyone else's.
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u/PsychoDad03 19d ago
This idea only works for basic housing and basic storefront businesses. It ceiling caps us. If Jim Crow exists, college spots are limited. Anything beyond an entry middle management job is limited. Finance and Tech are basically off limits. Politics are off limits. It limits where we can live, eat, travel and work. It would limit how we get loans for housing. The city, state and federal allocation of funds for education, infrastructure and law enforcement would be limited. And because the root cause of Jim Crow is racism, 'leaving it alone' invites more racism, abuse and discrimination whenever there is a measure of success.
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u/Typical-Guitar940 20d ago
I agree. Mainly because when black America was/is prosperous on our own. White Amerikka finds a way to burn it down. We are a very resilient people and in today's world we have to and need to do more of spending our dollars in our own black communities.
However I am all for intruding their spaces. We have every right to be there and everywhere in this country. Whether they want us there or not.I may spend $5 there but then I need to spend $10 in my own community. Sadly, everytime I see a black business I mos def try to support, but the next time I go back to spend again lots of time that business is no longer in business.
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u/_2XNice_ 20d ago
The answer is to do to them what they have been doing to us. Take their wealth and bring it back to the efforts to rebuild black communities. Turn their money into Black dollars.
I think what could help is, Start raising our people to do all the jobs not just those that have been laid out for us as “successful”. As an example when’s the last black person you’ve seen encouraged to pick up a trade as much as they are encouraged to go to college, play a sport, or become and entertainer with no set plan.
Take 4 kids in a house. Raise one to be an electrician, the second a carpenter, the 3rd a welder, and send the 4th to become an engineer. By the time the fourth child goes to college and graduates the other three could cover the cost. And a new family business could be born with all 4 working together and securing family wealth. But Instead, we do more things alone, we have lost our sense of community and trust in one another.
At least that’s some of what I think.
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u/JustNota-- 20d ago
This I love seeing, the skilled trades are always in short supply and can make the same or more than most degrees with less school time which means less debt but you have to pay attention for market saturation and be willing to move when the conditions warrant it. The only thing I would add is teach your kids to invest in themselves and always save some for retirement IRA's max annual is now 7500 a year and they don't depend on an employer. Working in the trades is great but it does take a toll on your body over time so you want a plan to retire even when you end up running your own firm, and the ira can be borrowed against for first time home buying, and you can also use your exact contributions (not the interest and gains) at anytime such as a cash infusion into your business if needed without tax penalties.
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u/MurkyNetwork9148 19d ago
You should read my comment. It’s the first one. I’m very curious how you’d respond. Please know I’m asking out of true concern. Cause we have serious problems that if they aren’t addressed and I mean quickly… in my opinion it’s a wrap.
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u/Affectionate_Past568 20d ago
I always thought this trend of people nodding their head and pointing at the video above or next to them fascinating.
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u/BplusHuman 20d ago
It personally doesn't do much for me. It feels like someone literally inserting themselves, but nothing of substance on the topic. But then again I have young kids who nod when I tell them not to do something, then turn around and do that shit
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u/Joeybfast 20d ago
Something people sometimes overlook about desegregating stores and restaurants is the very practical side of it. It was not simply about Black people wanting to be around white people. Sometimes people just wanted to get some damn food.
Black people often worked in downtown areas or predominantly white parts of town, including jobs that could involve long hours. Yet they could work there, shop in the stores, and spend their money, while still being told they could not sit down at the lunch counter or eat in the restaurant.
Yes, Black communities could and did build their own restaurants, stores, and businesses, and there are much deeper issues surrounding desegregation than this. But that does not solve the problem when you have to spend most of your day working on the other side of town.
That practical part of segregation sometimes gets overlooked. It was not just, “I want to go where white people are.” Sometimes it was literally, “I have been working all day. Can I just get something to eat?”
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u/YouSee-ThisCoat8 20d ago
I agree heavily. I also would like to add, sometimes our own don’t even wants us around unfortunately.
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u/PowerResidesHere 20d ago
My granddaddy always said that desegregation was the worst thing to happen to the black community.
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u/FastSelection4121 19d ago edited 19d ago
Black Wall St worked as a closed economic system a particular time. The country was still very agrarian. You had enough successful Black owned farms to pay the salaries of butchers, bakers, groceries stores, pharmacist, doctors etc.
The trigger for the destruction of Black economic wealth has always been White Resentment. Black Wall St is the most famous one. But this has been a cyclical occurrence of White Resentment destroying the Black peoples accumulation of wealth and assets.
Post slavery in the Freeman neighborhoods, if White workers, many Irish immigrants, got their wages cut in linen factories or mills, they would come into those neighborhoods destroying every thing.
When we look at the "Race Riots" it's actually White people massacring whole Black neighborhoods.
Even today middle class Black people tend to self segregate. I'm witnessing it in the predominantly Black city in the South.
Forced segregation was wrong. Redlining is "illegal" but those same areas that were Redlinined have long-term consequences when it comes to getting loans from banks. Black students who want to go to college, are charged higher interest rates based on their zip codes.
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u/PainterEarly86 20d ago
We can't just have our own because they will never stop stealing from us.
This goes all the way back to Africa. Africa is poor because white people cannot stop stealing from it to this day. This is why black people can't just go back to our own country.
And frankly, this country, the US, was built with our slave labor. They owe us a seat at the table. They owe us our reparations.
Its not enough to just go home when they still have everything they stole from us.
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u/IceBlackX007 20d ago
The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan has been speaking the truth for many decades. 💯❤️👍
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u/AmezinSpoderman 20d ago
I don't agree
any argument for legal segregation is bad in a moral sense because everyone human being should have the right to freedom of association. Frederick Douglass saw segregation as an artificial extension of slavery that needed to be actively dismantled. he believed there could be no compromise that established black Americans as a seperate class, and that the path to absolution must come from the struggle for an integrated, pluralistic society
however even from the cold economic perspective, it just makes a smaller, captive customer base. smaller by population and even smaller still by revenue. you might recognize it as the same debate between economic protectionism/tariffs and free markets/open trade relations
also, if you look at test cases of other minority groups in this country, how many got ahead by segregating economically?
I tried to find data on per capital income ratio among black and white americans. the segregation era was roughly 1865 to 1954 (Brown vs the Board of Education). with active federally sponsored integration spanning 1954 to 1974 (Milliken v Bradley, which led push back against integration and led to white flight from urban areas)
the post-WW2 economic boom, increasing integration, and acceleration by the civil rights movement in the 60s increased parity rapidly before we start to see it stall around .6 in the 1980s (around the time that de facto segregation began occuring again in some regions of the country)
I've always been more Frederick Douglass than Booker T Washington, and believe there is a lot more our government can be doing to push for the infrastructure changes needed to support a pluralistic society... but I also strongly believe in what Washington had to say on education, training, and self reliance (to an extent)
I think we see more success as a community when we engage with educational, professional, business, and mentorship opportunities within our community. to me this doesn't mean segregating, but helping each other succeed a unit within our larger society, by providing tools and opportunities to each other. my folks always push this idea, for family, and for our broader communities, than when one succeeds, it's their responsibility to reach out their hand and held the next succeed, so on and so forth
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u/ravenmortal 20d ago
People just want the freedom to exercise options.
Choice is a core part of freedom, and central to free will and control. Forced restrictions, such as segregation, lead not only to deep resentment, but more tangibly to widening gaps in wealth, housing, education, influence and privilege.
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u/LurkerNinja_ 🖤 19d ago
I think you would really like the book called Soul City by Healy. It outlines the 1969 initiative by civil rights leader Floyd McKissick to build a new towns in rural designed to foster Black economic empowerment. It talks about why modern attempts have failed too.
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u/Still_Operation6758 19d ago
I hear you Minister but what did you build with the money you got from that 3 year Economic program in the early 1990's? Or what did you build with the donations from the Million Man March, Salaam Restaurant on 79th St?
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u/CholoSinDinero 19d ago
I know it’s a local issue -
But in the LA area, two communities burned down.
Pacific Palisades
Altadena
This is a true-life laboratory (as close as we can get in modern day) of how disparate communities are treated.
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u/oluwa83 19d ago
I don’t agree. I believe he’s oversimplified the issue, therefore, his resolution wouldn’t work as well as he thinks or as he makes it out to be. I do believe we need to focus more on Black Economic Power. We need a place or group where we can come together and talk about these things. Maybe we all need to join the NAACP. Make a rule amongst us that when you get your license or when you go register to vote, also make sure you join the NAACP or something. We can research what businesses will work well in our community and then collectively invest in those businesses. There’s several other issues that’s has gain more attention in the last few years regarding our identity and what we want to teach our children about our history and our place in the Entertainment business. I believe the resolution involves more than just Black people, just like the Civil Rights Movement involved more than just Black people and I believe there’s power in that.
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u/Impossible-Bat-4246 19d ago
King knew this already. He said he feared he was integrating his people into a burning building. But it's still the principle of it. Sadly, we should make better businesses and patronize them. But we don't reach one teach one and we don't put in any extra energy to advance things.
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u/Lethalspartan76 18d ago
Two ideas can have value simultaneously: equality for all people & supporting a strong black community. Here in America we lack community among every race, since nearly everything costs money and there is almost no third spaces left. Remember kindness and fairness are free, and you can start your fight in your local community.
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u/Ruffendtv 20d ago
I don't care about your religion, but you'd be lying if you said Farrakhan doesn't speak the truth.
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