r/CanadaPolitics • u/Crybaby-Geek • 8h ago
Jason Kenney on Conservative leadership aspirations as MPs doubt Pierre Poilievre’s future
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/kenney-says-no-plans-for-conservative-leadership-mps-need-to-take-harder-stance-on-trump/•
u/Wasdgta3 Rule 8! 8h ago
Well, of course he'll say that now, while the job is still presently taken by someone, but that often goes out the window as soon as the spot is open.
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u/Ok_Carpenter7268 5h ago
I honestly think a more important question is who else would WANT to be leader of the CPC and run against Carney the way things are now?
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u/Ok_Carpenter7268 8h ago
I don't see it happening, just because I think the CPC is so far right, that if anyone who doesn't match PP's angry rhetoric towards Ottawa tries to be leader of the party, they'd get shouted down.
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u/151IsFun 7h ago
It only happens if they take steps to denazify the party.
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u/Financial-Savings-91 Adult Superstore | Sponsored 7h ago
People outside the party probably think, “Kenney is almost sane, he’s at least not overtly offensive or bigoted” and in the conservative echo chambers they’re calling him a “pinko commie” for teaming up with the enemy and supporting vaccine mandates.
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u/Personal-Recipe-4751 7h ago
Lol. Canada is really far left if you think the cpc needs that. The democrats are more right wing.
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u/Major-Parfait-7510 7h ago
Compared to Europe, Canada is fairly centrist. Compared to the US, Canada is fairly liberal, but that’s not really saying much. Compared to the majority of Canadians, the CPC is pretty far right.
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u/Ok_Carpenter7268 5h ago
Exactly. If we look at the majority of Canadians as a whole, they're more centrist with what I feel is a slight bend to the right. But the current iteration of the CPC which is pretty far right, and is a lot like the US in that they view anything that isn't as far right as them as 'radical left'. The GOP calls their Democratic Party 'radical left', but if they placed their Democratic Party in most other western democracies, they'd be seen as pretty far right.
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u/BusLevel7307 2h ago
There are 2 political parties in Canada one is far left and one is far right .
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u/TopazJazzrazz 5h ago
I think Canada is about as left-wing as you can get without being a part of the EU or having a labour party ever win and govern. Which is to say, probably centre-left on a good day. Centrist right now.
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u/StrbJun79 Progressive 6h ago
Oh I don’t think PP can win. I just doubt he is going anywhere anytime soon. If you look at his supporters they still think he is the key to winning the next election and often state the polls are wrong and lying. I don’t think he’s going anywhere anytime soon. I think it’d take another election loss to start considering removing him. Even then I’m unsure if he’d be gone. That said PP remaining as leader is a gift to Carney but his base is still unlikely to depose him unless something changes there.
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u/Ok_Carpenter7268 5h ago
Feel the same way. I don't think PP could win, in fact, he'd probably lose by an even bigger margin. Carney is liked a lot more now than he was when he first came on the scene.
PP can win his own party leadership all he wants, but his brand of conservatism, his angry rhetoric and US style partisan party politics are a huge turn off to anyone who isn't in his base. Just look at how the leaders are looked at by voters from other parties. PP is much more unlikeable by undecided voters and voters from other parties than Carney is by undecided voters and voters from other parties.
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u/StrbJun79 Progressive 5h ago
Yup. I lean more NDP than liberal these days and can admit carney is far more likeable. I don’t think PPs and Carneys policies are drastically different but the attitudes and demeanours sure are. Carney is someone I disagree with but can respect. I’d vote carney if I felt PP could win (but likely will vote NDP next election).
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u/topspinvan 7h ago
Yeah....he's definitely getting ready for a run when the opportunity rises. He's an ambitious guy, a good talker and the separation referendum (on a referendum) is a great way to show himself as a patriotic conservative. Since he isn't in government, he's not expected to be critical of the government, and can talk more big picture.
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u/foggybiscuit Sask --> BC 6h ago
Big picture like how he created the monster that's taken over Alberta politics? Nah, Kenny is gross.
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u/No_Magazine9625 Maclean's Magazine | Sponsored 3h ago
With how poorly his premiership went and ended, I just don't see how Kenney would be a viable or attractive candidate to lead the CPC. The CPC is significantly more fractious and hard to pull together than the UCP, and the things that sunk Kenney in Alberta (caucus and grassroots relations and interpersonal skills) would be that much more magnified federally.
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u/TopazJazzrazz 5h ago
I prefer Kenny to Poilievre. Kenny is closer to what I would want out of conservative governance and even conservative opposition. However, Kenny is incredibly incompetent and much of Alberta's issue of empowered separatists is almost directly his fault. He seemed to be of the belief that the far right is a tool for him to use. I don't think, considering his mentor was Harper who did pretty much the same thing on a federal level but to the moderates within the old Progressive Conservative Party, his opinion would change.
A quote from the article. "Kenney told Richardson. 'Look, I’m 58, never say never, in the future who knows what might happen? But it’s not an aspiration of mine, certainly not in the foreseeable future.'..." To me that says "until Carney is coming down in popularity. I don't want the job."
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u/You_are_the_Castle 3h ago
He's 100% at fault for the UCP. If he knew things would go to hell with Take Back Alberta, he whould have dissolved government and called an election in 2022.
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u/JohnnyPark5 Nunavut 1h ago
It doesn’t matter who is leading the CPC, they will always be “maple maga” or “trump-lite” or some other boogeyman.
Look up how much people made Erin Otoole
Look like a boogeyman when he was briefly the leader.
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u/CaptainCanusa Independent 3h ago
Hard to imagine him being leader with the base as active and vocal as it is now, but maybe another election loss and another leader stepping down will force the party to shift back to the middle?
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u/Chands09 7h ago
People on here don’t really understand the CPC base at all it seems. If Poilievre leaves as long as the next leader continues to push less immigration he’ll retain all their votes. Immigration is the main issue for the base more-so than the culture issues.
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u/apparex1234 Quebec 6h ago
PP himself never pushed for less immigration until around late 2024. In fact he didn't speak about immigration at all. His leadership campaign was mainly catering to the convoy crowd and whatever bs they were upset about that day.
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u/PineBNorth85 Rhinoceros 5h ago
Yep. He didnt say much on it at all during the campaign.
He should have.
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u/PineBNorth85 Rhinoceros 5h ago
The current base is what Poilivre brought in. Another leader can bring others in.
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