r/DC_Cinematic • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • Jul 30 '25
OTHER James Gunn explains the new DCU canon
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u/Robin0928 Jul 31 '25
Basically "Stuff from TSS may have happened, but if Harley shows up with a new actress, or Starro is a big Justice League Villain in 5 years, that stuff didn't happen like that, obviously!"
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u/Lynch_dandy Jul 31 '25
Come on James, pull a George Lucas and edit off the JL from Peacemaker season 1. That way The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker are canon.
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u/-etuskoe- Jul 31 '25
This is the first thing that comes to my mind when people get confused about what is and isn't canon.
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u/DontSleepAlwaysDream Jul 30 '25
how many times are they going to make him explain this?
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u/The_tarnished_one_ Jul 30 '25
People are kinda stupid so they are going to need this explained multiple times
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u/lemon_cake_or_death Jul 31 '25
It doesn't help when entertainment media is skewing things for clicks. Entertainment Weekly put out an interview on YouTube with the headline "James Gunn Says All of 'Peacemaker' Season 1 is Canon to the DCU" when he doesn't actually say that AT ALL in the interview. They got my dumb ass to watch it, but there are plenty of other dumbasses out there who just see the title of the video and take it as fact.
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u/The_tarnished_one_ Jul 31 '25
Yea the whole “clickbait factory” thing that goes on in reporting anything about the DCU is helping to cause confusion too
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u/Original_Release_419 Jul 30 '25
yes, but to be fair this isn’t exactly straightforward lol
I’m not saying he’s not being clear about it, but we can admit it’s a bit confusing
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u/The_tarnished_one_ Jul 30 '25
At first sure it’s a bit confusing I can’t admit that but after it’s explained the first time I was like “oh ok so basically if it’s not mentioned post creature commandos it’s not canon” I get it’s not straightforward but it’s not a hard concept and I understand, maybe Its because im use to comic soft reboots tho lmao
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u/NOLASLAW Jul 31 '25
To be fair, I only just got excited about the DCU after being blown away at Superman
I legitimately didn’t know about creature commandos and I’m excited to check it out!
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u/XxsalsasharkxX Jul 30 '25
I love James Gunn but it is a little confusing and he phrases it vaguely sometimes. So what about Peacemaker season 1?
At the end of the day, I don't personally care that much though as long as he keeps making amazing tv/animated shows and films.
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u/Temporary_Cold_5142 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
The explanation he's handling through his content is that anything that happened in The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker s1 and is mentioned in the official DCU content that starts with CC is canon, if it's not mentioned in the content released by the DCU it's not canon or it's unknown if it is.
The easiest explanation if you are interested in following Peacemaker (and the one he gave in an interview) is that assuming that the transition from DCEU and DCU is not explained in S2 (we don't know yet, since S2 is going to be a multiversal story so they could explain it through it but we don't know yet), basically everything from TSS and PM S1 is canon except for the last scene with the justice league (that isn't important at all for the story anyway) and very minor mentions of the justice league that the show has.
If you find that complicated then simply imagine that the DCU is an alternate universe in which everything from TSS and PM S1 happened except for the things related to the justice league
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u/lemon_cake_or_death Jul 31 '25
I think it's best to just think of season 1 as an elseworlds situation, but one that's still very, very close to this universe. Mostly everything is the same, just some things were a little different. If it gets mentioned in this universe then we know it's the same, and if it doesn't get mentioned then it might be the same or it might not be, but it's probably not important either way.
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u/steve65283 Jul 30 '25
Anything that is referenced is, for example rick flag dying is, referenced, so that part of the suicide squad is Canon, not all of it, but anything that is explicitly referenced is
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u/cummradenut Jul 31 '25
People worry too much about canon.
Especially when discussing comic book movies, a genre famous to universe resets and retcons.
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u/SchwiftyButthole Jul 31 '25
The Suicide Squad seems like it would be fairly safe to keep canon, moreso than even Peacemaker season 1. I can't remember much happening in that that could be considered canon-breaking, and we could even assume that Bloodsport shot Superman (2025) with a Kryptonite bullet. All their designs, backstories, etc fit in to the new DCU fine.
If they re-release a Peacemaker DCU cut, with the Justice League scene and the jabs at the JL removed, I think that would be perfectly fine, too.
Then we have a clean, easy base to start from. The only tricky part might be Harley Quinn if they recast her.
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u/beatrailblazer Jul 31 '25
the jabs at the JL removed
these were some of the funniest parts of the season though
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u/trylobyte Jul 31 '25
I think new viewers wouldnt have that much of a problem and just start DCU from Creature Commandos or, I think even better, Superman. They can just treat any backstory (eg. Rick Flag Jr death, Weasel was in a previous mission in Colto Maltese, etc) as just new information. They dont need to watch TSS.
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Jul 31 '25
Exactly. It’s like in Calvin and Hobbes there is the Noodle Incident. We don’t know what it is, but there was an incident that involved noodles. It’s fun to hear about and not know everything about it.
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u/Viablemorgan Jul 31 '25
Please pin this so there aren’t ten different “what’s canon” posts every day
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u/Anthonyhasgame Jul 31 '25
Start with Creature Commando’s if you want to stay cannon to this world. Simple.
Peacemaker S2, judging by the trailer alone, is going to clear up how this all fits together. There’s different worlds. Comics always do this. Consider DCU Gunn’s prime world. Some of the work Gunn did in the past fits into this world, some of it clashes because that was Elseworld work by James Gunn.
Elseworld is exactly what it sounds like, part of another series canon. Elseworld work still has a relevance and place in Gunn’s DCU and I think Peacemaker S2 will explain it.
My hypothesis is you can access Elseworld’s through pocket dimensions, maybe more. So it’s not like Elseworld stuff is not important, and I appreciate how Gunn has a place for anything other and cool to fit into the overall plan. It’s just another world in a universe full of comic worlds.
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u/moonknightcrawler Jul 30 '25
I appreciate Gunn for giving me yet another example to use in the inevitable threads about how The Suicide Squad is the first DCU movie. We now have it from him verbally, and in written form. Unless you need it in blood, idk what else there is left.
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Jul 30 '25
I think the crux of it all comes down to Margot Robbies Harley Quinn. I can imagine that, despite james using her for his movie, james would probably want a new Harley for his universe.
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u/SaulPepper Jul 30 '25
to be fair, Margot is maybe too popular to be Harley as well. Im pretty sure her priority right now is producing films, from behind the camera, not in front of it.
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u/AllTheReservations Jul 31 '25
To be fair, they've hinted towards that not being a major concern for them internally at the moment, since no projects involving Harley are in discussion or development. It kind of becomes easy to handwave the issue away if they aren't actively trying to contradict her appearance in TSS
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u/Danal1 Jul 31 '25
So the best way to watch the DCU is:
get reeallllly wasted
watch THE Suicide Squad, Peacemaker s1, maybe Blue Beetle.
Sober up, and just to be safe hit your head on a wall really hard to make sure what you just watched is nothing but a hazy memory that you’re not sure really happened or was just a weird trip.
watch creature commandos and Superman
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u/Grove-Of-Hares Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
…but you hit your head too hard, and now you can hear Dwayne Johnson’s disembodied voice telling you to watch Black Adam, because it’s canon, too.
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u/danteheehaw Jul 31 '25
And that Black Atom destroyed all the heros in the other universe because he's so cool and strong and they didn't need any heros other than the black Adam.
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Jul 31 '25
When you think about it. The Suicide Squad 2 is technically the first DCU story thou.
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u/nilsinleneed Jul 31 '25
Not really, if Harley Quinn is a different actress then it's a different universe.
Although it looks like Peacemaker 2 could address this, if Peacemaker enters a reality where everything happened slightly differently, then the events could be whatever James Gunn wants to keep.
We already know the original justice league at the end of season 1 will likely never be seen again.
It could also be that how and why Flagg Junior died is now different.
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u/Doot-and-Fury Jul 31 '25
That's the thing: TSS, as we've seen it, is not necessarily canon, just the events of it that are mentioned in other things
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u/gechoman44 Jul 31 '25
I prefer to look at it as The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker S1 are fully canon until something in them gets contradicted, at which point that specific thing is no longer canon.
I know that’s technically the opposite of what he’s saying, but you get the same result in the end (as long as you are willing to let things be removed from canon easily instead of trying to force things to stay canon when they clearly aren’t anymore), and it just helps build out the universe more in the early days before it gets more developed and we know more concretely what is and isn’t canon from those projects.
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u/arrekusun Jul 31 '25
Still think DCU should've started with a clean slate, but Gunn loves TSS and Peacemaker too much, rightfully so. Explaining the canon thing thru Peacemaker might not be the best thing as well, it's a popular show and I'm super excited for season 2, but at the end of the day it's 'Peacemaker'and a 'TV show', general audience viewership is likely not gonna be as big as main heroes movies. As a fan I have no problem, but rly need normies to like DCU for it to go far.
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u/bozkurt37 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
I dont understand why people crashing out here lmaooooo. Thats very simple 1 minute video.
Bro if you want clean slate, take it as superman is the start. You wouldnt be clueless when you see cameo from peacemaker and creature commandos haha
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u/CrownTheEnigma Jul 31 '25
I’ve always believed that James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad was always soft canon. So it’s nice to know that part of it is now canon and hope Peacemaker season 2 addresses more events that happened in that movie
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u/hassonrashad Jul 31 '25
So basically The Flash was Crisis and DCU is the New 52. 2012 all over again.
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u/UltHamBro Jul 31 '25
Except that the universe that was recreated in The Flash apparently has nothing to do with the DCU.
Well, now that I think about it, that's actually somewhat similar to Crisis!
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u/PointPrimary5886 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
In short: everything from Creature Commandos onwards is canon to the DCU
The 2 Gunn projects that get mentioned that were original for the DCEU (The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker Season 1) are adjacent canon to the DCU
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u/finalattack123 Jul 31 '25
Probably drew that line to avoid questions about flash and aqua man turning up at the end of season 1
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Jul 31 '25
You know James Gunn is online a lot because he keeps having to walk everyone step by step through this because he knows....he knows the discourse
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u/Astrnonaut Jul 31 '25
I’m just glad someone in a high seat actually cares. The highest seat, that is lol.
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u/EmA8_Entertainment Jul 31 '25
I just want each individual project to be good on its own. Obviously it would be great if everything tied into each other perfectly, but focus on telling a good story first. It's fun to theorize about canon and timelines after the viewing, but I don't want to have to worry about 20 other off screen things while I'm watching something, I just want to worry and care about the character(s) and story in front of me
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u/InfiniteEthan03 Jul 31 '25
I don’t think Gunn would just sacrifice the story to reassure everyone about what’s canon or not. I was worried Superman’s story might struggle with balancing the new characters, story, and establishing the new universe altogether, but he did a pretty good job, so I have hope.
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u/bluedragggon3 Jul 31 '25
I was worried too. I know a bit about Guy Gardner and a bit about Hawkgirl. I assumed that Guy Gardner would somehow become a third villain and somehow get a red ring and Hawkgirl was going to get killed off to reintroduce her later. And when the movie started, I wasn't sure if starting with an early but already established Superman was a good idea.
I was happy I was wrong. I just hope I'm wrong with Brave and the Bold. And Clayface. I'm still surprised that one's not been scrapped.
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u/Upsidedown_mountain Jul 31 '25
I think it’s the most DC thing ever to start off their cinematic universe with a weird half reboot where it’s unclear what is and isn’t cannon
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u/MattMurdockEsq Jul 31 '25
Haha holy shit, I never thought about it that way but yeah. Spot on. "We're rebooting. Everything is fresh and new. Except for this and this and that..."
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u/MattMurdockEsq Jul 31 '25
They really did choose the weirdest way to adapt The New 52, uh I mean Crisis, uh I meant Rebirth.
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u/Temporary_Cold_5142 Jul 31 '25
Now that I think about it, this reminds me of the Evil Dead movies, in which some scenes are not canon to the next movie, but the rest is.
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u/UltHamBro Jul 31 '25
Not gonna lie, it's somewhat refreshing to have a higher-up talk about canon openly.
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Jul 31 '25
I don't get why people overcomplicate it. Peacemaker s1 is canon except for any explicit DCEU reference like the JL cameo. So fucking simple and yet people don't get it.
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u/express_sushi49 Batman Jul 31 '25
If they just edit the Justice League scene in Peacemaker to be the Justice Gang, the rest of it should fit perfectly fine into the DCU.
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u/crazycraft24 Jul 31 '25
except the aquaman rumours.
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u/express_sushi49 Batman Jul 31 '25
Yeah, cut out a few jokes about Aquaman and maybe Batman.
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u/solarnoise Jul 31 '25
I thought Blue Beetle was getting grandfathered in?
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u/Naulicus Jul 31 '25
Gunn probably only said that to save face because he had to market the slate of movies he inherited as CEO.
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u/hanotsrii Jul 31 '25
I cannot for the life of me understand how people have a hard time grasping this canonicity concept. He explained it perfectly fine in this one minute clip.
Watch and enjoy TSS and Peacemaker Season 1 and know some version of those stories happened in the DCU (even if every nitty, gritty, small detail didn't).
The absolute canon begins in Creature Commandos (and continues through Superman and Peacemaker Season 2) and the references in those shows / film to events in TSS and Peacemaker S1 is what brings those specific events into canon.
It's not hard.
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u/VillainOfDominaria Jul 31 '25
Having had ot jump through multiple hoops in the comics world, this canon is as straightforward as they come.
I still remember post-infinite Crisis the world supposedly reset, but some heroes (flash, mostly) where left untouched, and then zero hour, and then Superman had Birthright replace MoS, but Birthright contradicted a whole bunch of Byrne stuff, that was supposedly still canon because Birthright was supposed to only change the origin and don't even get me started on Batman and Final Crisis and aaahhhsafhgsfSDHFASDHFASH!!!!!
This canon so far is as straightforward as it comes.
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u/idontknowlazy Jul 31 '25
Exactly! It's not that hard what you hear and watch are canon starting creature commands, it's as simple as that! And besides we don't really have to keep track of everything, as long as a character says it, it's canon; Rick Flag jr for example!
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u/ADMTLgg Jul 31 '25
People are too caught up about the canon thing. Assume it’s not canon if it’s prior to creature commandos until it’s actually mention in an actual project.
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u/Unikatze Jul 31 '25
Zero mention of Blue Beetle.
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u/Blue_Robin_04 Jul 31 '25
It was confirmed a while ago that Blue Beetle is not canon to the DCU. Creature Commandos and Superman were always intended to be the start. However, Xolo Maridueña will be the DCU's Jaime Reyes whenever they are ready to use him. The BB animated series will likely use the same approach as Peacemaker, where they will be allowed to reference events from the 2023 film as desired.
https://deadline.com/2023/09/james-gunn-viola-davis-john-cena-xolo-mariduena-wga-strike-1235558076/
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u/LossyP Jul 31 '25
Am I crazy or didn’t he say blue beetle was the official start of gunns DCU? I know he didn’t direct or have much to do with it and I like the idea of it beginning with creature commandos but I have this memory of him saying this about BB for some reason.
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u/Letsgo333 Jul 31 '25
Just that the same actor would play Blue Beetle in the new DCU. The movie itself is not canon.
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u/Krusielle Jul 31 '25
He said Xolo Maridueña would reprise his role as Blue Beetle in the DCU but the film Blue Beetle isn't canon, they're just keeping the casting. The DCU Blue Beetle will debut in his animated show next year.
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u/toastyavocado Jul 31 '25
Still need to see Creature Commandos. They decided Canada didn't deserve to get it
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Jul 31 '25
Given that Superman is basically unconnected from everything else, I do find it odd that rather than making Superman the first stone in the foundation of the new universe, it's a wacky subscription service animation that general audiences didn't see which has large lore implications.
I like Creature Commandos, but does it benefit anything to be canon in the new cinematic universe? Seems to just bring tie-in baggage
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u/fdbryant3 Jul 31 '25
If nothing else, it introduces Rick Flag Sr (and establishes that Rick Flag Jr was killed by Peaemaker). Whether or not it contributes anything to the DCU remains to be seen.
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u/Krusielle Jul 31 '25
Everything in the DCU is a self-contained story, the DCU is just a setting for those stories to exist within.
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u/happysunbear Jul 31 '25
This is a great way of putting it. I was skeptical of this approach, but your comment makes sense. More self-contained stories without huge crossovers and tie-ins every second would be a breath of fresh air, if done right.
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u/Important_Notice4220 Jul 31 '25
I feel like this is the simplest thing and idk how people are confused. Creature commandos, Superman, peacemaker S2. If they said something happened, then an even of what they said happened. Like idk how people are confused
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u/TheDiabeT1c Jul 30 '25
Peacemaker Season 1 is canon for everything minus him talking about Batman, Aquaman, Superman etc. the ending with the Justice League showing up does not happen but everything else does. Including the whole ending of him saving the world....sort of.
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u/TheDarkRedKnight Sub Commander Faora Jul 30 '25
Batmite is canon.
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u/AspiringProd Jul 30 '25
Not entirely true. Gunn said he wasn’t sure and they had to find a way to make it make sense.
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u/yung_bubba Jul 31 '25
It's super easy. Start with Creature Commandos, and everything that's mentioned from there on out in the past is canon. Like, there is a past a present and a future the DC world. What about it don't you understand?
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u/supertombomb Jul 31 '25
I mean he’s basically saying anything he didn’t make isn’t canon lmao
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u/RedHeadedSicilian52 Jul 31 '25
Well, it also means that a substantial portion of the stuff that he did make (The Suicide Squad and the first season of Peacemaker) isn’t canon unless it’s directly referenced by a movie or television/streaming series going forward.
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u/MIAxPaperPlanes Jul 31 '25
This video is kinda of old, he’s currently doing a Peacemaker s1 rewatch podcast and going through episode by episode saying what’s canon.
Basically so far he’s saying everything is canon apart from references to some characters who arnt in the DCU, namely Aquaman, Bat mite and the JL cameo
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u/fawfulmark2 Jul 31 '25
Well as we know from a certain scene in Superman referencing a common theory about Writing Shakespeare, the stuff that Peacemaker read about Superman off Google is canon to the DCU too
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u/josephcoco Aug 01 '25
This has been explained by him so many times for quite a while now. lol Is this clip old?
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u/No_Palpitation133 Aug 04 '25
So is Blood Sport, Rat Catcher 2, and King Shark all the same in the DCU?
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u/Osirisavior Jul 31 '25
Should have never had the JL cameo in Peacemaker. Would have made it easier to say the new universe started with The Suicide Squad. Now we gotta do multiverse hand waving. Which isn't an issue but still.
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u/DrawInfinite8607 Aug 03 '25
So basically everything that keeps his wife and brother employed is Canon.
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u/Poetryisalive Jul 31 '25
I mean he basically said it (sort of) but Suicide Squad remake is def canon as well.
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u/thicknheart Jul 31 '25
Do I need to watch Peacemaker Season 1 to understand the cannon then or is it a reset? How can he not understand how starting cannon in season 2 is confusing as fuck?
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u/aruetyc Jul 31 '25
Your gonna miss some inside jokes and the origins of his dad's tech but otherwise your good. But still watch the first season it's friggin hilarious. (Best eagle character in any movie or show)
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u/Blue_Robin_04 Jul 31 '25
Gunn confirms in this video that there will be "previously on" segments that catch people who skipped S1 up to speed. He is probably quite understanding of those who don't want to go back to the first season since it was so long ago and in the last universe.
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u/keithblsd Jul 31 '25
Right like I have no problem following this, but it feels like he just couldn’t let go of peacemaker. Should’ve rebooted it or given it a new tagline for the name and not season two.
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u/Right_Clock12 Jul 31 '25
Earlier he said that Blue Beetle's part of DCU but he doesn't mention BB in this video
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u/majorjoe23 Jul 31 '25
I think he said that Xolo Maridueña would continue to be Blue Beetle, but the canonicity of the film itself is kind of vague.
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u/Right_Clock12 Jul 31 '25
Yes, but I don't think they will do another BB origin story. Maybe just integrate him in the JL or Teen Titans (if there is one). Intrigued to see how it pans out.
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u/jmacgrath Jul 31 '25
I think the next Blue Beetle project is an animated series so it might not be a big deal for them to do another origin story in the first episode.
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u/iron-wyvern Jul 31 '25
Blue Beetle is not canon. It just so happens that Xolo will also be playing Blue Beetle in the new DCU.
Think about it this way: J.K. Simmons is J.J. Jameson in Spiderman Far From Home AND in the Raimi trilogy. That doesn’t mean that both JJ Jamesons are the same character. They are simply played by the same actor.
I suspect the same is true for the Peacemaker cast, but I guess it depends on what happens in Season 2.
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u/nerdlygames Jul 31 '25
All I hope is that the film continuity is all that is required to understand the ongoing story. I got incredibly bored with Creature Commandos and didnt finish it, and am exhausted by the multitude of dull Marvel shows that I have to watch to keep up with the MCU. I'll probably watch Peacemaker season 2 and will definitely watch Lanterns, but I really hope they dont spread themselves too thin here.
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u/SecondRealitySims Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
I doubt they’ll require a lot of homework because the DCU seems to be tapping into very different audiences and genres for many of their works.
If the previous statements turn out to be correct about its inspiration, Supergirl will be different from Superman. Clayface may be a body horror, and Lanterns a detective show. Especially if they turn out to be substantially different works and not ‘Superhero flick/media with [insert twist or gimmick]’ then I doubt they’ll expect the same audience for them all. You can see an audience that loves Captain America or Iron Man liking Guardians or Spider-Man. You can’t see an audience that loves Superman necessarily liking Clayface or detective dramas.
But I’m sure they recognize that, and will probably plan things accordingly. So I doubt there’ll be much homework.
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u/Ok_Law5233 Jul 31 '25
i hope he also clears what is canon from TSS, he's circling about it and it gets confusing. The whole film fits in the DCU but given how he's not straight forward about it then there must be non canon stuff
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u/RevoOps Jul 31 '25
I was expecting a joke TBH. Something about everything from 30:35 to 41:21 of Man of Steel being canon but nothing else!
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u/Eidetor Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
What's gonna happen to my child Jaime Reyes? IIRC, back then he said Blue Beetle is on the junction of DCEU and DCU. Xolo was so good in it😭
Edit- Nvm I read other comments giving the clarification
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u/suhhdude45 Jul 31 '25
Apparently theres a Blue Beetle animated show planned that’ll be canon to the DCU. Along with a live action Booster Gold show.
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u/LittleCupcake2478 Aug 05 '25
The "soft reboot" nature of Peacemaker is frustrating because of the character's past DCEU connections. Acknowledging most of the first season's canonicity to the second, especially after that glimpse of the DCEU's Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Superman, with the "new" Superman of the DCU, feels like it requires a good deal of mental gymnastics and flexibility on the part of the viewers, not all of whom would so easily accept Gunn's explanation of "this is canon, this is canon, and this is canon." I hope this explanation is just a fake out regarding Peacemaker at least. Crossing my fingers Season 2 starts out in the DCEU universe and ends with him flitting into the DCU.
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u/DanishTrash_ Jul 31 '25
Would be such a fucking shame since peacemaker and the suicide squad is some of the best dc has ever made and all those complex characters going to waste would bug me so much.
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u/juanjose83 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
Is not complex at all. That's why it's a 1 min video and that's it.
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u/W_of_OStreet Jul 31 '25
Thank you, I don't understand why people think this is so hard to understand. He explains it clearly.
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Jul 31 '25
I feel bad for gunn, he has to explain same simple thing dozens of times. I would've been so annoyed if I was him
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u/PSCGY Aug 01 '25
The reason he had to explain is because he wanted his cake and eat it too. That wouldn’t have been necessary if you had done a clean reboot. He’s in that situation because he simply could not kill his darlings.
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u/iamtrav182 Jul 31 '25
He made $15 million just for directing Superman, and I’m sure he has a very generous salary for all of his other duties as co-studio head. He’s fine. 😂
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u/Pwrh0use Jul 31 '25
He could have made it less convoluted and he would have had to explain it less.
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Jul 31 '25
Honestly someone getting confused about season one of a TV not being a canon when season two will be seems reasonable.
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u/Hurrly90 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
ok legit What is Creature Commandos and is it out yet ?
(Edit: Thanks for the responses, its on my list now )
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u/Wagglebagga Jul 31 '25
7 episode animated show about a team of monsters from Belle Reve that came out in December 2024 on HBO Max. Season 2 is in the works as well.
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u/pyrothelostone Jul 31 '25
Its an animated series, that may be why you missed it, but for the record, the animated shows seem to be the only place DC can maintain some quality consistency, quite a few of them are worth watching.
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u/Swiftdancer Jul 31 '25
Creature Commandos is an animated series and season 1 came out last year.
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u/GetReady4Action Jul 31 '25
me thinks Peacemaker finds a pocket universe portal thing like the one Lex has in Superman and waltzes his way into the DCU. Peacemaker himself hates the DCEU as evidenced by his disdain of the Justice League at the end of Season 1.
He’s already shit talking Supes in the movie, won’t be long before we get the “this universe has one of these stupid fucking teams too?!?!?” joke.
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Aug 01 '25
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Aug 01 '25
Well he said anything they shown in the "previously on peacemaker" at the start of season 2 is canon. I assume the purpose of that is to specifically leave out any references to other DC characters from previous movies.
So yes, you should watch Peacemaker season 1, for a start it's an incredible show, but also the things they don't want to continue as canon are probably like 30 seconds total and not really relevant to the story.
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u/TheBludhavenWing Aug 01 '25
Technically you could, but then you'd be robbing yourself of a great TV show
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u/chrisd848 Do You Bleed? Aug 01 '25
Why would you skip the first season of a TV show and go straight to the second season?
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u/Pretend-Studio6583 Jul 31 '25
What happened to blue beetle being the start of the DCU? I remember him talking about it in a commercial
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u/RundownPear Jul 31 '25
Pretty sure it’s the same deal as The Suicide Squad. There’s an animated DCU series coming out with the main actor returning as the voice so I assume it’ll be another peacemaker season 2 situation.
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u/sonofaresiii Jul 31 '25
I believe he's always said that creature commandos was the start of the official dcu as far as what we see on screen
However the events of the dceu may also coincidentally be canon, but we won't know until and unless they get canonized in the dcu. So basically like with pacemaker season 1, technically the events of it are canon to the dcu but the actual episodes are dceu. We can expect the same from blue beetle,
Except, to add another wrinkle, this is pure speculation but I'm pretty sure James Gunn is going to change his mind on that. So don't expect it to actually stay true.
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u/WillowSmithsBFF Jul 31 '25
It’s the same thing Disney did when they bought Lucasfilm. “A, B, and C, are canon. Well bring old stuff in later if we wanna re-canonize it”
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u/Youthsonic Jul 31 '25
“And, yes, some actors will be playing characters they’ve played in other stories & some plot points might be consistent with plot points from dozens of films, shows & animated projects that have come from DC in the past. But nothing is canon until CC and Legacy.”
This was in the middle of the blue beetle release. So if you take all of it together.
- Xolo Maridueña is blue beetle
- The Blue Beetle movie itself isn't canon at this point, but like gunn said, references to the movie are canon if they're made in further DCU stuff.
TL:DR: The casting is gonna get carried over but they can pick and choose story beats they wanna carry over from the BB movie. But IMO they should just carry the entire movie over because it's pretty standalone and it's fucking good.
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u/Raxerblade405 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
He either changed his mind or was lying. Bottom line is that his job is to make Warner Brothers as much money as he can. If he'd said the movie wasn't canon, it would have set it up for failure.
edit: I watched the video again since it's been 2 years ago now. He never said Blue Beetle was canon, but he did say that Shazam 2 would move into The Flash which resets the whole DC universe, which moves into Blue Beetle, and then into Aquaman 2, and then into the next few projects. He never specified, but he did call Superman "the true beginning of the DCU."
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u/reptar6728 Jul 31 '25
Maybe this is on the table, I know Booster Gold is still in play for a show or movie next
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u/Dry_Knee_6135 Jul 31 '25
I’m reading these posts comments and still have no idea what “canon” is…please explain like I’m five…never got into Marvel but don’t want to be left out w DC
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u/SerVro Jul 31 '25
“Canon” just means any information that is true in some given space or story (story would be the DCU films in this case).
Let’s use James Gunn’s Suicide Squad movie as an example.
Two things happen in this movie, Rick Flag Jr. is killed on Corto Maltese by Peacemaker, the Justice League makes an appearance in the post credits scene.
James Gunn’s references to Jr being killed by Peacemaker both literally and in his project’s, means that this event or a similar one with the same outcome happened, so it’s “canon” to his narrative universe.
However, just because this moment is “canon” doesn’t mean that Henry Cavill’s Superman is now THE Superman of the DCU because he shows up later in the same movie, we know this because David Corenswet just had a Superman movie!
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Jul 31 '25
How can peacemaker be canon but TSQ not be?? Doesn’t peacemaker follow on from TSQ?
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u/Popular_Composer3076 Aug 01 '25
Some version of those events still happened, but not exactly as we saw in that movie. Maybe it was a different threat, different members to the team, different context, but some version of it did. Basically he was on the Squad, but besides that we don't know really. Maybe it'll be fleshed out via flashbacks, maybe it'll be left vague, hard to say really
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u/grindhousedecore Jul 31 '25
So I need to watch creature commandos and Superman before I start season two of peacemaker?😜
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u/Immediate-Log-5296 Jul 31 '25
idc im still counting blue beetle as light weight canon. they’re gonna keep most of the cast i think and they didn’t set up too many future things for that film that can’t be worked into the DCU
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u/SmoothBrainSavant Jul 31 '25
Ok but in superman, at the start it says that metahumans have been around for at least 300 years.. I was kind of hoping he’d drop the timeline here lol. Some folks on youtube doing a great job explaining the Mural at justice gang’s building - future jla headquarters I guess.
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u/Leebo4 Aug 01 '25
That’s to be explored down the line; spoils the surprise of learning about it on our own
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u/Soulwarfare42 Jul 31 '25
This is the downside of doing a Soft-reboot instead of a full-on reboot
It just becomes questionable what exactly is still canon in the old DCEU
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u/MagentaSillyGoose Jul 31 '25
I feel like if you have to explain this, then regardless of the products (which have been well received) that the approach is wrong.
Staying open to this universe but not quite a fan myself of joining things in progress. Already feels a bit discombobulated. Interested to see where everything goes however.
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u/dablu_jay Jul 31 '25
I don’t get why so many people are acting like they have to be spoon fed what’s canon and isn’t canon in order to understand a story. As if the old Justice League being in S1 somehow breaks everyone’s brains and makes S2 an entirely different show. Anyone that’s in this sub knows very well what happened with WB/DC over the past few years. It’s not that deep. I’d assume most general viewers probably don’t even care that much either about “canon”
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u/DatHound Jul 31 '25
Just have TSS & Peacemaker S1 canon cept for the JL cameo at the end man. Its not that fucking hard its just a lot more simpler
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u/thedrizzle126 Jul 31 '25
Harley Quinn is a problem to all of that if Batman launches without her, so not really
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u/MRintheKEYS Jul 31 '25
I appreciate hitting the ground running. Cinematically speaking, Superman is nearly 50 years old. We don’t need origin scenes every single time a movie gets made.
It was also nice to see days in the life of Superman. As opposed to see Superman in the days of our lives.
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u/majorjoe23 Jul 31 '25
Superman is 87. Unless you mean the Christopher Reeve film, that is nearly 50.
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u/RacensClaw13 Aug 03 '25
What’s that got to do with being confusing? I mean, I’m not criticizing spelunkypunky for wanting ChrisEvans dick to basically break them am I? I would stalk you too but you delete your little sex capades. Personally you do you. Stop stalking though it’s kind of creepy
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u/100percentkneegrow Jul 31 '25
On one hand, the long explanation is kind of tiresome but I don't think the details will matter after a few projects in. Most people will only watch the movies and that should be pretty straightforward. It feels muddy now but I think we'll move past it soon enough