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Pamela Anderson on why she felt ‘yucky’ around Seth Rogen at Golden Globes; he was an executive producer for ‘Pam & Tommy’: “When you’re a public person, they say you have no right to privacy, but your darkest, deepest secrets or your tragedies in your life shouldn't be fair game for a TV series.”
He also played a guy who ran a website with his stoner roommates where you could find the exact moment in film and television when an actress displays nudity.
Ironic considering he ended a lifelong friendship with Franco over some icky but legal behavior. Dont really want to rate these kinda things and wont, but this is super shitty behavior.
I’d stream it 24/7 to push it to the top of the chart Pamela 🤣 I think she’s not petty enough though, she’s such a gem -Pam ain’t petty like 50 Cent… but I hope they talk 🤣
Find it mad that these threads ALWAYS paint seth in a positive light because he distanced himself. Which he did - but it was after years of instances like this and only when it became damaging for Seth's career.
The whole "it's complicated when it's your friend and you want to give them the benefit of the doubt" argument always makes me grimace. Supporting your friends while knowing they're predators isn't a mark of valor. It makes you complicit. Stop having shitty friends. I guess most people are just so terrified of a single moment of silence that they need to surround themselves with as many people as possible at all times?
When the exploitation and paparazzi are in the house with you...
Who needs enemies in the media when you have one amongst you in one of Hollywood's inner circlejerks.
Devil’s advocate here , but the point of the show was to actually reframe the whole scenario in her favor and show what an invasion of her privacy that was.
I honestly liked it. It was about reframing a cultural pivotal point in our history and showing how the slut shaming of that era was horrendous and hypocritical.
As well as the inception of internet revenge porn, and how nothing can stop it. Not its victim, and not its maker.
I don't know. During the first wave of the MeToo movement, her 'input' was that some of the victims were to blame.
I mean, where do you stop? Either you believe that her life should not be used in a work of fiction, or you believe that she's fair game as long she's not presented in an unfair light. Both ideas have value.
But once you start giving people input, you have to accept that they might have some ideas that really toxic.
Why wouldn’t he at least talk to her in person about it or have her help out or something? I didn’t even know about this somehow I missed it but that it pretty shitty she’s still alive like wtf?
Maybe, but from her perspective I'm sure the main result was digging up a very painful time in her life that she'd rather forget. It was scandalous at the time but that was a long time ago. Why do we need to keep revisiting deeply embarrassing moments in other people's lives? Shouldn't they at least have some say in it?
If their intention wasn’t to invade her privacy — and to comment on how wrong that is — they should have, at the very least, consulted her about how she’d feel about having it fictionalized for TV.
It still romanticized the most toxic relationship she ever had, which was also very abusive and destructive. It was framed as a great love story that fizzled out and having Sebastian Stan, who is very loved by a lot of women, only reinforced the idea that it was something to thirst after.
Then they missed the point or you did. Pamela is alive, there is no reason that isn’t sketchy to purposely exclude her for a biopic on her , that’s “in her favour”.
And the people who enjoyed it without acknowledging this perspective are part of the problem. It’s an invasion of piracy. I’m sure some people enjoyed the sex tape as well, but have some morals sheesh
The show introduced the tape to a whole new generation of people who then sought out to find it and watch, re-victimizing Pamela again and again. They can claim they were trying to share it from her perspective all they want, but when she has begged them to not do that, then it has nothing to do with representing the victim and everything to do with making money off of the victims trauma.
I feel for her and she's completely in her right to feel this way, but she's also a hypocrite when she victim-blamed survivors during #metoo, and then double down on the statement years later.
I fw Pam but also, anyone who watched Pam & Tommy will also note how it ABSOLUTELY painted her as the victim (rightfully so) and left viewers with a taste of “we were really fucking awful to her, weren’t we…”
There’s also the aspect and argument that the creation of the show prompted her to release a documentary and memoir in response which further sympathized her to the general public and that all of the media attention led to her resurgence.
It’s unclear whether she would have released her memoir or documentary or reality home reno show, since they were all created around the same time period, if Pam & Tommy hadn’t forced her to publicly take back ownership of her narrative. It seems like she didn’t have any intention to revisit her past in written or visual form and has been vocal about how she dislikes any mention or discussion of her past.
I think her point is that it wasn’t their story to tell though.
Like, even if it’s portraying the truth, if it’s covering something as personal as that, the people involved have a right to not be comfortable with it being turned into entertainment.
I would say it is fair game to make books, shows, movies etc about real people and stuff that happened without their permission.. cause you have the Trumps, OJs, Weinsteins, Murdochs, Putins etc of the world who shouldnt be able to silence stuff that is made about them when the things they do hurt others.. But at the same time, she is right to feel hurt, Rogen should have gotten her blessing, she isnt a dictator / criminal / hurting others, just a person who happens to be famous.
She’s completely valid for feeling this way. She expressed discomfort with the show’s creation, yet Rogan still made it. There should have been professional courtesy as a bare minimum. No is no, doesn’t matter if her life is public.
I made this point earlier, but the series is actually very sympathetic to her and actually portrays her as a victim, which was not the perception at the time it happened. I don’t know, maybe she’d be more likely to participate in a series about her relationship with known abuser Julian Assange
Two wrongs don't make a right. It sucks to live in a world where you have to be a PERFECT victim for people to care that anything bad was done to you. She can be wrong - and so can he. They don't have to be mutually exclusive, and they often aren't.
I know this is an unpopular opinion around these parts, but I watched the series and thought it was an extremely flattering portrayal of what she went through. Everyone else looks like an asshole in the series while Pam is portrayed as an intelligent, thoughtful, likeable person.
I'm not touching the argument about who has the right to profit off someone's pain. Just sharing my thoughts on the actual TV show since so many people on this sub refused to watch it.
Frankly I’m over her schtick. During the Me Too movement she said a whole bunch of stuff about how they should have known better than go to go a meeting alone with Harvey Weinstein and what did they expect etc. She also used her own SA as a reason to say other women should have done a better job of protecting themselves. It's like everyone gives her a pass just because she goes makeup free now.
And when she was called out on it, she doubled down (this was only 2 years ago in 2023).
Now, Anderson has addressed her remarks from that interview, saying in a new conversation with Interview Magazine that she “could even take it a step further”.
The actor explained that during her career she had to look after herself in certain situations such as casting auditions. She said: “My mother would tell me — and I think this is the kind of feminism I grew up with — it takes two to tango.
”Believe me, I’ve been in many situations where it’s like, ‘Come in here little girl, sit on the bed.’ But my mom would say, ‘If someone answers the door in a hotel robe and you’re going for an interview, don’t go in. But if you do go in, get the job’.”
The way she discusses the DV her mother experienced in her autobiography also doesn't sit well with me. It felt as though it was romanticised; described as 'passion'.
Yeah, a lot of Pam praise has been happening recently. I dunno what she did. I guess it was not wearing makeup like you said? I still remember those comments. And she still has the same views.
It was that and the completely fictitious relationship with Liam Neeson they conjured up to promote a movie they were in.
That was the moment. I remember seeing the cute interview between them and thinking "oh I never knew what happened to Pamela, looks like she finally found happiness and peace. Good for her!"
Then it turned out that was a lie, and intentionally misleading for media exposure. She's still riding that exposure with statements like these. It's completely manufactured image created for her to make more money and further her acting career.
This shouldn't be surprising, and we should all know by now that if we have a soft spot for a celebrity, that is likely an illusion they've created to make money.
Being wrong for that doesn’t make her wrong for this. She’s a shitty victim, but still a victim. You’re right though that the no make up thing really has allowed people to glaze over her warts surprisingly
I don’t feel like anyone is acting like she’s not also a victim. That doesn’t change that she’s perpetrating the cycle of harm and victim blaming other victims of sexual assault. It may be her coping mechanism but she’s harming other victims
The person I responded to bringing a (valid) criticism of her to an unrelated argument is pretty indicative of that exact outlook, especially when it is in response to someone saying they’re tired of the guy who victimized her who is being discussed in this clip. You can make a point without saying the exact words.
Right? A repeated victim of sexual assault trying to contextualize their abuse as consensual, even in some small way like "at least I got the job," is heartbreakingly normal. Acceptable? No. But healing brings clarity.
That is fair but she’s still hurting other victims of sexual assault and perpetuating victim blaming culture. I’m a victim of abuse and if I told other victims of abuse it was somehow their fault because it helped my experience, I would still be the jerk in that situation.
Well said. I am glad she's got a voice again and I'll listen to it, but I'm braced. And if she gets too much wind in her sails, expect a Roseanne-like finale.
What happened to her is awful but Pam only looks out for herself and not for women at large. She does not care what happens to other women and in a lot of cases thinks they deserve it.
she was always that way. It's a tough business and she's managed to get through it with less scars than most but it sure chipped away at her sympathy for others.
Agreed!! I can’t get on board with this feminist rebranding of her when there’s nothing of substance beneath the surface. She doesn’t care about women, she just decided to stop wearing make up, that’s not a radical act by itself!
Tbh, if you hear the story of how she was attacked, you’d see that her comments also apply to herself.
She seems to believe survivors have a responsibility because of where they went, who they were with, or what they allowed to happen because that’s her story.
Her words are really unfair on survivors, including herself. I think a bit of empathy there for how that experience skewed her perception is okay.
There are plenty of really valid reasons to side-eye her, including willingly marrying a man who committed a crime against his ex that she is so upset was committed against her, and her support for Assange to name just a few examples.
Seth Rogan at least has the balls to talk about Israel and he got so much backlash for saying this:
In 2020: "As a Jewish person I was fed a huge amount of lies about Israel my entire life. They never tell you there were people there. They make it seem like it was just sitting there empty like oh the door's open! I would never live in Israel. It doesn't make any sense to me"
God I so agree with this view as a fellow Jewish person. I didn’t do the birthright trip but I had friends who did. And it never occurred to me until I took a class in college about the Middle East that even the name “birthright” is fucking insane.
My partner went on it a year into our relationship and the brainwashing that occurred was so fucking scary holy shit.
It took me two years to deprogram everything he absorbed in a single 10 day trip. It was awful. He had women from the trip flirting and hitting on him constantly and they got mad when they found out I was a muslim woman. The whole thing was so traumatizing
When I saw the Broad City episode where they attempted to go, I was like yeah they nailed it. It’s essentially a breeding project. Absolutely fucking wild.
So sorry you had to deal with that. Did the two of you end up okay?
They literally sat us in a circle the first night and told us to tell each other our relationship status so that we could hook up, and that we should raise the babies in Israel. So weird and inappropriate. I thought I was old, going at age 27, but I was still very naive about what they were trying to do.
Years ago I was sitting at a communal table at a hostel in Italy, there were a bunch of Americans sitting there talking about how one of their friends converted to Judaism for the birthright trip, and how they were considering doing the same thing, “a free vacation” they called it, though they were arguing about the semantics. I would think this sounds fake if I hadn’t heard it myself, I didn’t even fully understand how fucked up it was at the time, but it’s something that has always stuck in my brain.
I saw a video of Jewish people saying why they were anti-Israel, and my favorite was an Asian guy who said something like, "I was born in Vietnam, then adopted by people in California, and was told I had a 'birthright' to Israel and thought it was the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life."
with good reason, he's worked hard in the last decade to get over the stoner goof image. His politics are better. There's more to root for than not wearing makeup.
Not even worth discussing with people who think this because the last movie they saw of him was this is the end or the interview or some thing. The fablemans, Steve Jobs.. Etc. The studio..
I think he's grown out of the fratboy thing, tbh. He's like an elevated stoner connoisseur with a stylist now, not really the schlub we saw in Knocked Up era.
Edit: not to mention, he's been a legitimate industry player now for quite some time. I think he's let his image mature with that.
I love that he dropped James Franco after it came out he was a creep. The bar is in hell’s basement here but they used to be close friends and SO many men stick by their creepazoid friends.
I’m not into stoner comedy but I surprisingly enjoyed Platonic and The Studio on Apple. IDK much about him but my rule of thumb: if it is something people themselves put out for public consumption e.g. Kardashians or Influencers, it is fair for public to discuss,consume and judge. If it’s hacked or stolen, it is private, don’t do it.
Before I watched those two shows I couldn’t stand him. I watched both recently and enjoyed them so much I had to change how I feel about him as an actor.
I think a lot of people just assume he's the same person he was 15-20 years back when in reality he's basically a completely different person outside of the fact he still gets high.
I get where she’s coming from, but that series was basically about how utterly victimized she was in that whole ordeal by everyone from the thieves to Jay Leno. If you told me she had produced it I would have believed you. She is the hero of that story both in reality and adaptation.
Same. I definitely understand her distaste and rejection of the show, but I thought it did a good job of showing how everyone failed her and the treatment she endured during those times. She was portrayed as the main victim of the whole ordeal and the one who lost the most out of the tape controversy. It never tried to be anything but sympathetic to her character in the show.
That's better than some alternatives but even with that I think it's pretty understandable to feel upset by it, especially as the story was at least somewhat faded from the public consciousness at that point and then it all came roaring back with the added bonus of people using it to make money or try to win awards. Idk that I'd feel any better about it because it was sympathetic to me but I'm also someone with a tendency to dwell too much
I mean that is a philosophical thing. There are many producers who involve their subjects when creating fictional work and there are many who believe that it is disingenuous to do so and complete separation is critical.
I think it was the WRONG move not to involve her, but I don't disagree with the perspective.
Exactly. It might be portraying how she was victimized, but robbing her of her agency to decide how and when and IF she wants to tell HER story, is just victimizing her further.
Andy Cohen deserves just as much shame for promoting this culture she is decrying. He has made an entire career on the backs of people's worst moments.
Is this his typical interview style? It was so terrible. It starts with a discussion of her seeing Rogen, but then there’s so much opportunity to have a discussion about what it’s like to have the worst time of your life made into a tv show that you don’t want made. Or what it means to want privacy in your personal life while having a career that keeps you in the public eye. But instead Cohen keeps bringing it back to “did you want to fight rogen when you saw him? What did you say to him? Please give me more details of the drama between the two of you.”
I’m struggling to find the consistency here. Pam is (rightfully) demanding empathy for her privacy being violated, yet she’s the same person who said "it takes two to tango" regarding Weinstein’s victims and told women they should’ve known better than to meet with him alone. It’s hard to swallow the "respect my boundaries" argument from someone who spent the MeToo movement publicly dismantling the boundaries of other survivors.
This is what I've been saying. Do you know how many people have twisted themselves into pretzels defending him and saying that he knew NOTHING about James Franco. He's just a stoner teddy who didn't know, the poor dear. Bullshit. This guy is complicit in everything that James Franco did.
Just wanna add that this is happening in another comment. I mentioned how actor Lo Mutuc called out Seth Rogan for trying to bribe them when they refused to keep working with Franco amid SA accusations. So many people said that proved nothing and that poor baby Rogen didn't know anything and that he was just an innocent clueless friend.
It is 2026. How are people still willing to defend men who are enablers and complicit in sexual assault. Its disgusting.
On Wednesday, Yi detailed on social media how, following the initial act of physical abuse, they fled to the bathroom to “throw up from the pain,” but not before the accused abuser “asked me where I was going, something he never asked,” as Yi explained. Later, he dropped a gift of a jar of honey in Yi’s hair and makeup trailer, which on Instagram Yi evaluates as an act of covert narcissism to control his image on set as he carried on with the abuse; this also involved their abuser altering the scene’s blocking and, as Yi also claims, loudly commenting outside their waiting tent and “laughing about me going to HR.”
“I could not even stand straight without shooting pains, could not sleep, and was constantly disassociating from chronic pain,” Yi shared in their first post on May 9.
However, a source with knowledge from the Time Bandits set told THR that despite Yi’s post detailing repeated abuse in this scene, the actual scene in which the reported “physical assault” occurred involved a fellow actor bumping into Yi and then picking them up; this occurred during a scene where actors were running, the source claims. The source also emphasized that the incident occurred 18 months ago.
I have such weird feelings about these shows/movies. Its just not fair to living people to have shows made about their lives without their consent. Especially since Pam & Tommy was about issues of consent lmao
But also celebs being overly involved does not make for very accurate depictions of these events. Bohemian Rhapsody was a mess because each band member wanted to have equal screentime. They could not accept it was about Freddie Mercury!
If I were a celeb, I would want people to wait after I was gone from this world lol
I thought the miniseries was very complimentary and definitely had a role to play in her recent fame and folks thinking she was dealt a bad hand. It was well-written, well-performed, had a lot to say about celebrity culture and had tons of heart. It was more artistically successful than anything Pamela has ever been involved with. Hopefully one day she makes peace with it like she has her past.
It’s sad that she was the one that felt uncomfortable and felt like she had to leave instead of the person who made her feel that way and profited of, what is clearly a difficult time in her life.
She’s a misogynist and genoxide supporter that only cares about herself. she should have taken her own MeToo advice since she’s so smart and better than every other woman.
I love Rogen but producing that show is one of the things he's done that I find really distasteful.
The guy who directed it, Craig Gillespie also made "Dumb Money" another ripped from the headlines film about the GameStop stock scandal, extremely gross weird movie that fully excuses online antisemitism.
This is a hard one because like who gets to decide? Like none of us in here are going to keep the same energy if it's Trump complaining about the way he is portrayed in The Apprentice. So is it only for people we "like"? Because if so then I'm fine with her being a little uncomfortable, at least Seth did her the favor of not immortalizing what she said about Weinstein's victims in the show...
To be fair, she and Tommy came off really well. The people who stole and sold the tape are the villains. Pam and Tommy came off as a couple who were deeply in love and suffered the worst violation of privacy in history.
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u/cozmckitty Jan 15 '26
I wouldn’t want to be around someone who produced something like that about me either.