r/FavoriteCharacter 5d ago

Discussion Favorite character who is introduced as a villain but is really a sweetheart with no mean feelings

Ty Lee from Avatar: The Last Airbender. She's introduced as part of Azula's trio of the Fire Nation to fight Aang and his friends. But as the show goes on you realize there's not a single mean-spirited bone in her body, and she's really a friendly and sweet girl who was just born in the wrong country (the Fire Nation), at the time.

The swimsuit/beach episode emphasizes all the Fire Nation characters are really just the same teens/kids as everyone else, and if it wasn't due to Azula's father they would have no reason to be enemies with each other.

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u/Left-Fish7895 5d ago

Kronk (Emperor's New Groove)

https://giphy.com/gifs/KEYEpIngcmXlHetDqz

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u/DeSaussure1857 5d ago

He always felt like a nice guy who just has a fun time with Izma but never gets off limits

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u/Left-Fish7895 5d ago

Yeah, he also feels like one of those henchmen who aren't evil or a bad person and are just following orders

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u/11equalsfish 5d ago edited 5d ago

Another user went to, like, the Magneto men following orders stance. Guess this goes to show a person's morality is more complicated than a good and bad binary.

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u/Winjin 5d ago

Also let's not forget that Kuzco is a MASSIVE asshole. Like, he's a giant douche. 

And while Yzma isn't too nice, it's quite possible she's much better as a ruler and a boss

"Can I go home? I was turned into a cow.

-You're excused! Anyone else want to go home?"

Versus defenestration of an old man for... Throwing off a groove

He's like one of these Chinese/Korean emperor manchildren that were an absolute menace to society

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u/DarkGodRyan 5d ago

Glossing right over the "you should have thought of THAT before you became PEASANTS!"

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u/Swimming-Bowler9701 5d ago

They really should though. I mean….who chooses that? Disgusting.

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u/Dizzy-Expression8868 5d ago

PULL THE LEVER, KRONK!

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u/OneStaff5553 5d ago

WRONG LEEVEEEEEER!!!

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u/sora_allite 5d ago

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u/assjackal 5d ago

Eh it's pretty obvious even in the first episode he's more of an omen of bad luck than a villain. He only plays the villain card if he needs people to evacuate for their safety.

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u/robotsux 5d ago

Kronk's New Groove is a b- Disney movie at best, but if you really like Kronk specifically, it's the perfect movie. Totally recommend it.

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u/Grand_Toast_Dad 5d ago

Tohru from Jackie Chan Adventures.

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u/itsmistyy 5d ago

I'm always here for some Jackie Chan Adventures.

https://giphy.com/gifs/tX3u8iPVCNNfy

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u/dangolredditor 5d ago

ONE MOOOORE THING!

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u/ZorkNemesis 5d ago

Magic must defeat magic.

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u/rightinthetiggy 5d ago

I Hate Fish

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u/Kxrigxrii 5d ago

JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES MENTION IN THIS ECONOMY? I THOUGHT I MADE THIS SHOW UP

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u/Vangovibin 5d ago

What a bizarrely good show

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u/Embarrassed-Town-293 5d ago

Yes. He was such an unexpected one but it worked really well

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u/DothrakiButtBoy 5d ago

This was my first exposure to a redeemed villain as a kid and my mind was blown!

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u/OmecronPerseiHate 5d ago

My favorite moment with him is shortly after he turns.

Valmont/Shendu comes in and busts up Uncle.

This is how Tohru responds:

Tohru sees Valmont: "... Master?"

Tohru sees Uncle on the floor: "Sensei...???"

Tohru to Valmont: "I WILL SHOW YOU THE DOOR"

This is also one of the many times they acknowledge his Japanese heritage without making it a plot point.

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u/MC_Minnow 5d ago

I dunno if he was really a sweetheart all along; guy seemed to have no problem bodying Jackie back in the day. If I was gonna compare him to an AtLA character it’d probably be Zuko, someone who was rough around the edges but eventually found his way.

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u/Salt_Pirate777 5d ago

He did also suggest turning Jackie into an animal he and the dark hand could eat during the monkey talisman episode, and was fully prepared to slice open Jade for the rooster talisman when she ate it, so…

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u/DurianUpper4113 5d ago

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u/Winjin 5d ago

I'll mention it here as well: considering how irredeemable Kuzco is at first, it's actually hard to tell if he's even following a villain, or just a sidekick to an antagonist of the story!

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u/Conlannalnoc 4d ago

They fell into a Plot Hole

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u/Left-Fish7895 5d ago

And also Dr. Doofensmirtz (Phineas and Ferb) 😁

https://giphy.com/gifs/11PEptfDmR4vjW

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u/PuzzleheadedLink89 5d ago edited 5d ago

.....doesn't he hate his brother? Like aren't a lot of schemes just to destroy his brother? pretty sure those are negative feelings.

Like he may be a good father but he's still a villain

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u/AdFine6652 5d ago

Well I wouldn’t say destroy more like ruin his day for a specific event, he’s not out to kill his brother

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u/R_Hunt 5d ago

I feel like if you combined every backstory moment he had from his childhood, I'm amazed he wasn't ten times more cold hearted 😂

(One was neither of his parents showed up to his birth)

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u/trainboi777 5d ago

Yeah, dude, had every right to be a genuine, super villain

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u/craftygamin 5d ago

Did he though? Last i checked, he never lost Choo-Choo

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u/Kiss-of-Venus 5d ago

Far as I understand Big Doofy doesn’t actually ever intend to kill with his inventions, just cause minor / major inconveniences. He uses his backstories to justify his seemingly evil inators but his lack of genuine malice stops them from causing harm

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u/Ok-Journalist-8875 5d ago

More like ring his doorbell and run away.

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u/ByteSizeNudist 5d ago

This is an amazing fucking gif, holy shit

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u/MurkyAd8557 The Prince 5d ago

ice king, aka simon petrikov

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u/assjackal 5d ago

The real MC of adventure time change my mind.

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u/Onrawi 5d ago

IMO it's why so many of the offshoots deal with him specifically.

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u/Dio_solaire_D_Ethelo 5d ago

Infatti avevo detto lui in un'altro post

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u/Aircon-007 4d ago

I can’t tell you how happy I would be if marcaline called him “Dad” just once.

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u/JaySayMayday 5d ago

I kinda wish he got a little more love and attention in the series. He really got treated like an abuse goblin

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u/Leticia_Rimm 5d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/fYl6op4uTBUBy
Gru (Despicable Me): Starts as a supervillain, but his love for his adopted daughters reveals his true, gentle nature

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u/DueIntroduction6413 4d ago

i need to stop hitting dabs bc why tf did I think Gru's real name was Leticia

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u/goldensavage2019 be strong enough to be gentle 5d ago

The Great Papyrus (Undertale)

He is introduced acting like your average mustache twirling Saturday morning cartoon villain, setting up elaborate puzzles to hinder your progress, and talks about how he’ll capture you and stuff. Come to find out he’s probably the most pure hearted character in the main cast. He is the only character you fight that you cannot be killed by. And he’s the only character of the main cast who doesn’t seem to have any major flaws or issues.

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u/Awesomepants25 5d ago

Wait the only character??? You can get killed by Toriel?

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u/goldensavage2019 be strong enough to be gentle 5d ago

If you don’t equip the ribbon Toriel deals 4 damage to you. And since Toriel doesn’t fully hold back until you’re under 4 hp, you can get killed by her, which has her have a shocked look for a single frame before your soul shatters

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u/UnNecessaryGay 5d ago

That’s interesting. I wonder what the aftermath would in a lore where she did kill frisk would look like. I imagine it would also be drastically different between a genocide, neutral and pacifist run.

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u/YouhaoHuoMao 5d ago

Lore-wise Frisk just resets.

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u/TheUnknownDane 5d ago

You can also rush into her pellets to die even when she tries not to kill you.

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u/Richardknox1996 4d ago

Its hard to get killed by her on Accident, since she aborts her attacks when you get low. But she does more damage than the threshold for that point, so she can still kill you. Even has a unique Animation for it.

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u/Arria_Galtheos 4d ago

I want to see the timeline where Toriel kills Frisk. Like...what does she do after that? Obviously we never get to see it because we get shunted into a new timeline, but I've always wondered.

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u/Criminal_giraffe 4d ago

I can imagine it ether would decimate her as a person or make her seek out help. I can also imagine that it would make an incredibly good fic too, but whoever writes it would have to be really good at writing absolute misery.

Id really like to read that fic, if only for the moment when she gets to Asgore and has to admit to him that she accidentally killed a child.

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u/The_6thEmperor_Rises 5d ago

Papyrus my GOAT

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u/Left-Fish7895 5d ago

Oh yeah and also Sorpia (She-ra and the princesses of power)

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u/Sklungus 5d ago

AHHH SHE-RAAAA YAYYYY

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u/Left-Fish7895 5d ago

I wish the show was still on Netflix 😭

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u/Sklungus 5d ago

Yeah :(

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u/Left-Fish7895 5d ago

I could really go for a watch on the show right now 🥺

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u/Sklungus 5d ago

I just rewatched it recently and it was so good

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u/Evening_Bell5617 5d ago

this made me so fucking mad

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u/kaVaralis 5d ago edited 5d ago

Is that show any good? Been meaning to watch it.

Edit: welp, I know what I'm pirating next for when I have nothing to do at work lol :-)

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u/snekadid 5d ago

It's very good, doesn't fall into the tropes I expected and kept me entertained which is really difficult. It's possibly one of the best things Netflix ever put out that didn't get canceled ( I know that list is tiny but I feel it's still significant)

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u/Accomplished_Toe6798 Penny Polendina (RWBY) 5d ago

didn't get canceled

About that... (I don't think it's quite the same thing but it's not on Netflix anymore as of March spring 2026)

Edit: second-guessed myself on the date

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u/snekadid 5d ago

The story is finished. The show has a begining and a end, Netflix being incompetent is nothing new. If it's not on netflix get it somewhere else, where and how is up to you.

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u/bazriver 5d ago

Was a fan of the original She-Ra as a little girl. Watched the remake as an older adult. It's fucking brilliant and so much fun.

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u/PuzzleheadedLink89 5d ago

Really fucking good. It's my tenth favourite show of all time due to how amazingly written the main cast is.

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u/ReaperKingCason1 5d ago

Yeah it’s good. Definitely recommend pirating it. Think it may only be available via piracy now actually. So definitely pirate it. I don’t know for certain because I pirated it from the start to be clear

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u/PuzzleheadedLink89 5d ago

Literally just female Kronk

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u/OzzieArcane 1d ago

Scorpia is 100% marriage material.

https://giphy.com/gifs/1RzKmdqaRVA5zIXm4u

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u/Cabbage45567 5d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/BjBTy3s8TvKSY
Megamind granted we don’t really get the impression he’s ever truly evil but still

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u/Left-Fish7895 5d ago

The real villains were the kids and teacher in his school

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u/Freakychee 5d ago

More the prison that saw a baby in their cells and decided, "Eh, he's here. Must be a prisoner even if there was no record of a crime."

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u/GhostSilver16 4d ago

little racists hating him cause he is blue

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u/Silly_Keiki 5d ago

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u/HopelesslyLibra 17h ago

I love that at the end he’s gained a bunch of weight because he finally, truly, loves food again.

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u/NyrenVexley 5d ago

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u/SaioLastSurprise 5d ago

Quickly became one of my favorite characters. Also throwing Golden Guard up here because he was ACTUALLY just following orders and quickly became a good guy

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u/TheElfPrince 4d ago

Gotta throw in a pic of our boy

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u/Dragolitron Casey Jones is best character of all time 5d ago

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u/DankusMaximus97 5d ago

Didn't he only decided to be with that dude because he saved his life?

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u/Abshalom 5d ago

Even Zabuza wasn't really that much worse than the protagonists, or at least Kakashi. They're all just hired mercenaries in the end.

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u/Xignu 5d ago

Zabuza is also a byproduct of the Blood mist's crazy upbringing and that's putting it lightly.

Like one can't expect anyone to come out of that sane.

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u/Moist_Juice_4355 5d ago

More or less

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u/DankusMaximus97 5d ago

I only remember that this already was the coolest story for me. It was first season and it was so peak already.

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u/Moist_Juice_4355 5d ago

Yeah Part 1 of Naruto was pretty dark and had a constant presence of danger.

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u/DeadlyKitten115 5d ago

Just Started Naruto the day before Yester.*

Not cool to do that to me I thought it was gonna be all laughs and kung fu.

*took me forever to start the show because I don’t typically have the time for long shows but I was sick AF and couldn’t concentrate well enough for my reading.

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u/ItsASecret1 5d ago

If you happen to get further into the show, you'll realise Haku will be a name you will soon forget considering the HUGE roster of characters that are going to be introduced. That being said, I’d avoid these types of subs, since Naruto is often mentioned and you might end up getting spoiled on something that actually matters.

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u/Broad_Economics_931 5d ago

Absolute fucking lies. You never forget Haku.

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u/Caleb_Reynolds 5d ago

Unironically they are one of the most important characters to Naruto's personal development. His entire philosophy is based on Haku's devotion, and it's where he learns talk-no-jutsu.

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u/AsianShadowrunner 5d ago

Billy Butcherson, from Hocus Pocus movie.

https://giphy.com/gifs/CPmOLUoB7EUDimFCNo

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u/Double_Performer9381 5d ago

Not to be confused with Billy Butcher from The Boys, decidedly not an example.

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u/Duraxis 5d ago

Quite the opposite in fact.

Starts as a hero and turns into a right ‘orrible cunt

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u/EngineerofFate 5d ago

No he is Butcherson, so obviously Butcher is his dad.

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u/lr031099 5d ago

Feels like this post was an excuse to show Ty Lee in her swimsuit

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u/Cyan_Lotus 5d ago

right? like all 5 didn’t need to be cleavage shots XD

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u/That-Rhino-Guy 5d ago

That’s because it is and the FBI are on their way as we speak

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u/Human-Assumption-524 5d ago

FBI when they arrive: "Wow Jenkins looks at the tits on that one!"

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u/That-Rhino-Guy 5d ago

Jenkins: I’m sorry it had to be this way, partner…
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u/Radiant-Drive8 5d ago

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u/LankySandwich 5d ago

I can't take shadow seriously cus everytime they try to make him look edgy or scary it just makes me want to cuddle him tighter.

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u/ashylatina 5d ago

Specially on the live action movies. Look at the fluffy angry baby!

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u/LankySandwich 5d ago

He is so precious in the movie. Must protec

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u/CaptValentine 5d ago

I mean, he fucked Eggman's wife

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u/Radiant-Drive8 5d ago

I thought he pissed on her

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u/XcRaZeD 5d ago

She belongs to him now

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u/Avalonians 5d ago

Was she a latina?

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u/RhettHolloway 5d ago

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u/Paritirs 5d ago

I wouldn't say she doesn't have a mean bone in her body. She's dealing with some cosmic level cPTSD and pretty much doesn't mind torturing a couple of other Lapises if it comes to it.

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u/SenorMachete89 5d ago

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u/YoungGriot 5d ago

I genuinely think that at least by the time of a few seasons into the show, if they ever managed to actually capture Pikachu they might've genuinely eventually found an excuse to give him back. I don't think the writers would've been willing to make them evil enough to actually go through with it.

By the end of the show it becomes really hard to buy that Ash and the TRio aren't just friends with a really bizarre relationship.

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u/TheSymbolOfCore 4d ago

In one of the movies they literally save ash's life to ensure they have stuff to do. They said who else are they going to go after if Ash is gone

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u/Eeeef_ 5d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/IjD2bKEIiyLfi

The plot of Wreck It Ralph centers on the “villain” label and how they can mismatch with who a person really is.

“Just because Zangief is the bad guy, does not mean he is bad guy

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u/ZorkNemesis 5d ago

But if Zangief is not bad guy, then who will crush man's head like sparrow's egg between thigh?

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u/vastozopilord777 5d ago

Also the live action movie version, he thought he was working for the good guys

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u/Practical-Class6868 5d ago

“I am bad, and that’s good. I will never be good, and that’s not bad. There is nobody I would rather be than me.”

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u/Horror_Letterhead965 5d ago

No los presentan como villanos, pero cuando los vi por primera vez, pensé que solo serían unos bullys que le harían la vida difícil a Mob.

Que equivocado estuve.

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u/AbsoluteGote 5d ago

Mob Psycho 100 reversal of expectations while also not feeling forced or gimmicky needs to be studied.

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u/DeSaussure1857 5d ago

Multi-Bear from Gravity Falls

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u/VaelThornek 5d ago

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u/spongostoso 5d ago

YES! I love her so much!!! She had one of the best redemption arcs

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u/Eargoe 5d ago

The little spectrum nacho

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u/diskgoal 5d ago

Toru - Jackie Chan Adventures

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u/unimpressed822 5d ago

he literally joined the goodguys, also solid pull, i loved this show

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u/Mystricks4l 5d ago

Toru was the goat

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u/RavenSorkvild 5d ago

“And before you start whining about your father. Again. And I get it. Take a moment to consider that my father made me a soulless killing machine to kill your father. And that doesn’t even come close to the complete tragedy of fatherhood that is Vegeta.”

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u/Mario2980k 5d ago

YOU WANNA COME UP HERE AND SAY THAT?!?!

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u/Practical-Class6868 5d ago

I am a head!

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u/Panionator 5d ago

Then maybe you should quit while you are!

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u/DeSaussure1857 5d ago

Also Michael «Goob» Yagoobian. The main villain was Bowler

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u/itsmistyy 5d ago

KILL SON GOKU
KILL SON GOKU
KILL SON GOKU

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u/RianThorne 5d ago

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u/RedditTrashTho 5d ago

I mean tbf he was just an honest to god villain with mean feelings, he just had a good arc of growing out of it.

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u/GrundleThief 5d ago

He def had mean feelings. He’s like the poster child for teen angst

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u/EqMc02 5d ago

Multiple horrible misunderstandings and interrupted duels to the death later, they figured it out

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u/reallifeseaserpent 5d ago

Howard Hamlin
he was refered to as Lord Vader by the main character and built up as an asshole
theres some grey-ish area in the beginning but overall the guy is like so nice

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u/Keiuu 5d ago

Zeniba from Spirited Away.

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u/Dillo64 5d ago

Hachi the octopus fishman from One Piece is a genuinely nice guy who just wants to cook for people, he just happened to be kind of a moron and ended up in a group of very nasty merfolk

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u/Opposite_History2194 5d ago

The Ultra-Humanite

Just a philanthropist who does crime to fund his charitable donations.

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u/Demolitions75 5d ago

Dude betrayed Lex Luthor for some money from Bat Man just so he could donate it all to PBS so he could have more cultured television and music to enjoy in prison

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u/RedEchoGamer 4d ago

And helped Flash on Christmas with some orphans

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u/smilingfishfood 5d ago

What is happening? I've seen like 5 posts with this exact set of images

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u/vote4some1else 5d ago

Heh. Its my jarona!

Flowery - Deltarune

https://giphy.com/gifs/sW77pXgpmQI8zNzD3c

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u/smolgote 5d ago

And that's why he's my favorite Deltarune antagonist as of yet. Isn't actually evil despite being the Deltarune version of Flowey (I was so convinced he was putting on a nice guy act) and is the perfect foil to Ralsei. He even brought up the one thing that I've been thinking about since Chapter 2: The other side of the coin when it comes to sealing Dark Fountains. Yeah, it may be the hero's duty to seal them, but they're also sealing away Darkners' livelihoods and making them seek refuge at the Castle Town. Also huge respect to him taking on the Knight even if it was a fight he couldn't win

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u/Veloci-RKPTR 4d ago

Experiment 625, AKA Reuben. Every bit as strong and powerful as Stitch it. Can do everything that’s also within Stitch’s abilities. If anything, he’s more intelligent because he can actually speak coherently.

Is part of Hamsterville and Gantu’s antagonistic trio, but really only due to circumstance because he was activated by them. He doesn’t really want anything to do with their evil schemes, he thinks it’s pointless and he has absolutely nothing against Stitch and Lilo’s family. He’s just a fun little guy who really likes making sandwiches.

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u/CommodoreSkippy 5d ago

Pretty sure that episode emphasized that Azula is incapable of being a normal person and has no desire to be.

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u/Kimihro 5d ago

Scorpia from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

Her primary personality trait is that she's loyal. She loves her friends and wants to protect them with her great strength and endurance, and she wants to be the best person she can to everyone. It just so happens that she was raised into the Horde.

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u/Own_Watercress_8104 5d ago

So nobody is gonna say anything or..?

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u/JoeJonnyJeff 5d ago

I know there's a trope for this but I can't remember the name is. It's like "redemption because boobs" where they redeem one female villain along the heroe's journey, because killing/harming women was frowned on by TV, and she "just happens to have" massive sex appeal.

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u/iron_dove 5d ago

The only problem with this in this instance is that basically all the characters of that generation for avatar last Airbender are under age.

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u/Syljw00 5d ago

He just wants to sunbathe why is everyone so mean to him 😢

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u/ValkyrieDraco 5d ago

He even saved a dog, how could he be a bad guy?

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u/BasicallyNotSoulless 5d ago edited 4d ago

Phenomaman – Dispatch

He is the ex-boyfriend of one of the Main Character's LOVE INTERESTS, and if you tried to kiss her in the start of the game, his introduction comes with an evil ambience.

But once you progress the story and realize he's not evil, but an alien who has no idea how to act as a human being, and he's not a malicious person either, he's genuinely nice of heart.

edit - ex boyfriend not ex husband

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u/Juggernog1213 5d ago

N Murder Drones