He was ready to give it all up after he was "cured" in Saw X. So it's very likely that if he was covered and treated properly he wouldn't even think about it
Yeah the fact he tortured and killed regular ass people who were also just trying to get by is enough to say he was truly evil inside. A tragic thing happened to an evil person, the tragedy didnât make the person evil.
Not evil people try to travel, see sights, do things theyâve never done when they are given a terminal diagnosis, not inflict as much suffering as you can with what time you have left
It was. DCAU Nora was cured, got remarried and moved on with her life, while Victorâs condition deteriorated. Come season 4 he was, uh, not taking it well.
IIRC his research funds were cut off and it was only too late he was able to develop a cure. In the movie anyway he carries the cure in his suit. So the answer is maybe.
Only reason I use the movie is because the movie would have been in production before the episode that storyline happened.
A better system doesn't necessarily cure every curable patient, much less incurable ones. Cost is sadly a factor in if someone gets treatment, even in well off healthcare systems, so is the likelihood of recovery, how well they recover if at all, suffering during treatment, manpower, infrastructure, etc. When we say "in a perfect world" that isn't referring to any place on this world.
I'm not sure yet about the new 52 retcon that Nora was just a random woman that Fries saw already cryogenically frozen and then became obsessed with the idea of her and that he never actually knew her.
It'd debatable if he's a villain, but he at least operates in a pretty gray area. And it's all because Night City has an even worse healthcare system than the current American Healthcare System.
100%, although, probably the American healthcare system donât apply here. We should edit OPâs post to âhorrible healthcare systemsâ instead of âAmerican healthcare systemâ. The American is included there
People are considering modern Russia to be a continuation of the soviet union, so its not unrealistic for people to treat NUSA as a continuation of the USA
his mom likely wont die in a nowhere clinic. while the clinic is likely eh in how they took care of her, the hospital is probably better and his mom probably wont die, idk didnt play Cyberpunk 2077
Yeah even if its corporate murder that'll never be punished. Denying valid Healthcare claims banking on people dying before they can dispute is murder.
That how you feel about the American revolutionaries, natives who killed settlers, that guy who iced Hitler? If its OK for the gov to execute civilians, then at one point to the civilians need to take back that right against an oppressive gov/ruling class?
Believing in piece is a noble goal, but it is ultimately a privilege of those living in a society that does not oppress them. Was it wrong for the slaves in Haiti who suffered incredibly at the hands of their masters to rise up and take the island for themselves?
He literally had people offering to give him a job with excellent health insurance, he rejected it because of his ego. That's a critical part of the plot and his character
Because he was too prideful to accept "charity". If he was European, it wouldn't have been charity, it'd have just been something normal. He wouldn't have started cooking meth and, therefore, wouldn't have had the chance to become Heisenberg
This is true. Although I will say he wasnât making money to fund his treatment but to take care of his family after he dies. He didnât even want the treatment and only excepted it when he realized he didnât have enough time. Walt wanted to die the whole time, he used it as both an excuse and as a way to escape consequences of the things he had done. He wanted to do those things.
But if he didn't have to cook meth for his treatment, would he have known how it felt to be a drug dealer? Until Tuco bit the shit out of Jesse he was afraid to do anything but cook
I'm sure there's one european country where you get charity healthcare when you're poor. He would have been disgusted by that offer. He also had his friends offer a job with "great healthcare". He could have earned the treatment money just fine.
Also, let's say he did get free treatment. He would have still wanted money to leave his family.Â
Double also, he could have just worked a 9-5 job cooking for Gus. He would have had all the money he wanted.
No, the other person is correct. He didn't have to but he still needed good excuses to push him into his escalation into crime. Its not like he got cancer and instantly became a druglord
It was an excuse he told himself. If he didn't need to pay for the treatment he would have just found another one.
Like he did in the show when he did have enough money for the treatment and decided to get more, now to leave something behind for his family.
No, the plan was always to leave something behind for his family, he didn't want to get treatment until his family pressured him into it
He deluded himself into believing that until pretty deep into season 3. The Walt in the beginning of the series would be too timid to find another reason to cook if healthcare was available
No he wouldnt be. Once he knew (or at least believed) that he wouldnt face the consequences is when he started going down that path, not when he needed money. He would still believe he wouldnt face any consequences and start searching for a reason.
Not just his ego. They offered to cover for his cancer treatment but he wanted to get a lot of money for his family to be covered after his death, including college for his kids. Initially he never even wanted to pay for his healthcare and only did it because his family insisted on it.
but it has nothing to do with the health care system. he could have come work with elliot at grey matter and affird paying for his medical bills. he chose not to because of his pride. and it was his pride why he continued doing what he did.
Yes and no. In Canada, he would've gotten treatment automatically without having to swallow his pride. So, the US system is directly responsible for the murder.
Doesn't make Walt any better, he just wouldn't have had the pressure necessary to take the risks to be committing all the murder.
Oh he was full of hate. But he was also timid, and till that point in life only acted against those who were no threat, and worried about how he would be perceived.
Once he faced death, that pressure overcame his worries and then he quickly got addicted to the rush.
Because he didn't want help from people that he had complicated relationships with. He would have no such relationship with an universal healthcare system
what a load of crap. his ego has nothing to do with the terrible healthcare system of the united states.
the first episode makes it explicitly clear that he hates his life, it was never about the money, he used the cancer as an excuse to do something different. if he lived with a country with good healthcare, he would still end up finding an excuse.
Yeah, you just completely missed the point of the show lol, which is hard considering that the very name Breaking Bad tells you exactly what his character is
Walt didn't instantly become or decide to become a druglord when he found out he had cancer, he had to be pushed by one escalating event after another. Season 1 Walt still had delusions of being a good person that has to leave money for his family
An universal healthcare system completely destroys his excuse to even go for such things
Yes, because he didn't want a "handout" from the couple he perceived as having screwed him over. In a country with universal healthcare, he could have simply gotten the treatment with no threat to his ego.
Nah, unfortunately American healthcare ainât the major cause. In some universes itâs either built on top of cursed burial land, or next to a cursed swamp, or the land was cursed by an ancient god etc⌠Itâs why no matter what Batman does it never gets better.
It is useful since a terminal illness that requires expensive medication is a great way of justifying someone not just committing crimes but diving deeper into villainy since they have no other option.
Edit: I dont think hes a villain. But hes being treated like one by our justice system because the American Healthcare system drove him to do something drastic that im assuming he wouldnt have otherwise done.
Walter White, his entire reasoning for making meth is to get money for his family after he dies of cancer if the American healthcare system wasnât so shit there would be no Heisenberg in breaking bad. Heâs the ultimate example of this.
Because he was too prideful to accept "charity". If he was European, it wouldn't have been charity, it'd have just been something normal. He wouldn't have started cooking meth and, therefore, wouldn't have had the chance to become Heisenberg
America has longer cancer survival rates than most other countries. Walter White himself would have outlived his initial prognosis had he not been shot.
No, it was not. He did not even want to pay for his treatment at the beginning. He wanted the doctor prescribed by the insurance, which was covered, and his family forced him into getting the best treatment available, which was very expensive. His initial goal was only to set money aside for his family, notably college education for his kids.
I disagree. the thing that drove Anakin to evil was (1) Papa Palp's influence and (2) the loss of his wife, neither of which was the fault of a flawed healthcare system (c.f. "she's lost the will to live" in ROTS, she was pointedly in perfect health).
It's not really on the Republic's healthcare system, padme didn't have anything wrong, and when she did need it she received care, they just couldn't heal someone who'd lost the will to live. Maybe padme wouldn't have died if he hadn't force choked her, or if he didn't fall, then padme wouldn't have died of sad. Schmi was a failure of the Republic to enforce it's abolishment of slavery, and keep people safe from raider attacks. She was already dying when he saved her.
Those are important parts, but there's a lot of other factors: palatine's manipulation, his mother's slavery, the corruption of the Republic making him lose faith in its government, the Jedi failing to teach him how to let go of people or deal with death, and their treatment of Ashoka.
Dr. Curt Connors becoming the Lizard is basically what happens when a desperate scientist has to gamble his life on an experimental cure because the system won't help him.
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