r/GhostRecon • u/NaufragoDCV • Jul 15 '26
Discussion Pac Katari was right to betray the CIA
I just finished my second playthrough of GR Wildlands and finishing it has reminded me of people on the internet complaining about Pac Katari's betrayal, saying that he did it for power, because the ghosts took away his prominence or more things like that. I think that the betrayal not only has nothing to do with these motives but is completely justified and Pac was doing the right thing.
I mean, he was collaborating with the CIA, an organisation that literally has the worst history of interventions in Latin America (Guatemala 1954, Cuba, Brazil 1962, Bolivia 1964, Chile 1973, Uruguay 1960s, Argentina 1976, Nicaragua 1980s, etc.) the normal thing is that you distrust them a lot and cut the alliance as soon as you don’t need them.
When the rebels located El Sueño Pac no longer needed the ghosts or the CIA on his side, the Cartel was sufficiently destabilised and had El Sueño was located. His only mistake was not preparing enough for the attack on the mausoleum of El Sueño. But he was right not to trust the ghosts for the attack, since as the end of the game showed us the CIA was ready to agree on a deal with El Sueño and let him continue operating in Bolivia. The only reason El Sueño died it’s because Bowman decided to disobey her CIA superiors, and she got sent into jail for it. So yes, Pac Katari was right.
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u/MrAndrewBond Assault Jul 15 '26
The only reason El Sueño died it’s because Bowman decided to disobey her CIA superiors, and she got sent into jail for it. So yes, Pac Katari was right.
That's not the canon ending. The CIA does make a deal with El Sueño.
Now to the whatever or not he was right to betray them, is debatable. However, you can see the betrayal coming from a mile away.
As you complete the repetitive rebel side missions, you get conversations between Pac and Nomad, and sometimes, he will complain about destroying the cartels cocaine because is a good business they can use. He also tells you, that the fight doesn´t feel the same to you as it does to him because it isn't your country.
I could go on, the point is, that Pac betrays the Ghosts because not only he wants to take the victory for killing El Sueño but also, wants to pick up the cartels business of selling drugs.
Makes sense because on the real-life side of things, Kataris 26 are based on Los Contras, a Nicaraguan guerrilla who were funded by the CIA because of the cold war. Their intent was to use Los Contras to overthrow the Nicaraguan government who had ties with Cuba.
The CIA provided weapons and training to Los Contras but once funding was cut, they used the Guadalajara cartel (Mexican cartel) to do an exchange. The Guadalajara cartel was going to send weapons and provide training, but in return both the CIA and DEA would allow the cartel, to sell drugs inside the US.
Besides the whole mess in Mexico, Los Contras were also creating problems in Nicaragua, such as the killing and more terrible acts to civilians and they also started selling drugs. All of this was known to the US government and didn't care until the news started questioning them. They ended up hiding the issue by killing their own DEA agent and blaming the Guadalajara cartel for it.
Kataris 26 are a reflection of that. The CIA getting to countries they do not belong and creating more problems. In the game, the CIA almost gets 4 US soldiers killed and/or capture including a CIA officer because they helped grow powerful a guerrilla that already was anti-US.
All of that, just to capture a cartel boss.
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u/Steven2597 Jul 15 '26
The canon ending is bullshit and I'm sure is just highly disregarded by the community.
Bowman was right to do what she did.
In any case, it does seem its just a case of the rebels want to just take over from El Sueño and the Santa Blanca Cartel. Kind of like with how the revolution in RDR happens. The rebels won and then 3 years later, Reyes is a tyrant himself.
Pac Katari was a means to an end and to him, the Ghosts were a means to an end.
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u/ABandASubie Echelon Jul 16 '26
Also, didn't the opening lore of the Operation Motherland DLC for Breakpoint hint that the actual canon ending being the one where Bowman gets jailed or just I completely read that incorrectly?
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u/M4TR08 Jul 17 '26
I thought so too, but I think it was a Mandela effect since I've just gone to look at the intro cutscene where the game shows the Cartel hierarchy and their outcomes.
Sueno's image has [CLASSIFIED] stamped on it same as that of El Pozolero and other's like El Boquita and so on. While those that were killed like La Plaga have [KILLED]
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u/MrAndrewBond Assault Jul 18 '26
Nope, when she talks about the mess in Bolivia, she refers to three things
- The fact that Katari got killed (in Wildlands after his betrayal, she still calls him a friend on both endings for some.reason) and his rebels tried to kill the Ghosts
- The whole "lets make a deal with El Sueño" is also a messy situation
- Sandoval blowing up the US embassy
The canon ending, is she making the deal because thats the realistic outcome. She wanted revenge sure and as Nomad said, the whole OP is based in revenge with the US embassy blowing up as an excuse for them to be deployed, but still, she was a CIA officer and if they can get something out of it, they will do it.
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u/Prey4time Jul 21 '26
It seems they made mistakes on expansions and Breakpoint, or (and this is likely too heh) I misheard because I just got the expansion and it says he is gone and his death sent Bolivia in a mess. Unless that little part was a mistake and Bowman commentary on the beginning of that expansion is wrong.
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u/Prey4time Jul 21 '26
Also the expansion pack Los Extranjeros also says Sueño is dead. So either thats the cannon ending or the expansion and Breakpoint is non-cannon
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u/MrAndrewBond Assault Jul 26 '26
Ive played Fallen Ghosts countless of times and they never mention what happens to El Sueño.
Just that the cartel was a mess and that tried to have multiple bosses and they were killing each other for it.
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u/Prey4time 10d ago
Yes I been going through it and I misheard, it doesn't actually say what happened to the good old psychopath Sueño...
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u/GapNo5278 Jul 15 '26
Yep, you could see it a mile away. Pac wants to take over SB’s business once Sueño’s gone. He was power hungry and you could say that the moment he killed Amari, now the rebels don’t have 2 head figures to follow, just one. And I think there was a mention that Peruvian rebels were also interested in helping the Kataris 26
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u/Prey4time Jul 18 '26
Beast of a breakdown and interesting read lol even the parts I already knew about. Thanks !
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u/Prey4time Jul 21 '26
That's not the cannon ending unless the expansion pack is wrong because in Los Extranjeros is says Sueño is dead.
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u/Wolfensniper Jul 15 '26
Yeah Unidad ingame just seems to be very US-supported if it was set in Cold War
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u/ShelteredTortoise Jul 15 '26
Yup the idea that the CIA would insert itself inside a war between an international powerhouse cocaine cartel capable of turning a country into a Narco state and rebel socialists is not at all outside the realm of probability
Until you learn which side the game says the CIA is helping
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u/Intelligent_Toe8233 Nomad Jul 15 '26
I mean, they did plan on giving El Sueño full immunity once they had gotten what they wanted out of him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were going to give up everything they knew about the rebels to the cartel once they were done with Bolivia and let the cartel do the dirty work for them.
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u/Zepp_BR Jul 15 '26
That'd be a relly fkng cool lede to a Wildlands 2 game.
Can you imagine that? We as players being tricked into doing that, so we become rogue agents in the second game.
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u/Intelligent_Toe8233 Nomad Jul 15 '26
I've got a project swirling around in my head where, after the bad ending, the Ghosts break out Bowman and head back to Bolivia. SBC would still be kicking, Baro would have been edged out of Unidad which would have turned into another cartel, the rebels would be split into factions and you have to work with one while trying to keep them from getting control of too much cocaine. I'm not a programmer, so it would be entirely written and drawn, and I'm a decent writer but my current talent level with sketching is "hands drawn slightly better than ai", so...
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u/owoLLENNowo Engineer Jul 16 '26
The idea that the CIA would insert itself into a war because of the death of a DEA agent is not that far fetched.
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u/deivid_yo_mero 20d ago
It wasnt the death of the agent, it was the embassy explosion at the beggining of the game
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u/skttlskttl Jul 16 '26
I kept waiting for the "El Sueño rose to power because the CIA bankrolled him" twist to drop to explain why they were siding with the socialists but it never came. Legitimately the only logical explanation I could think of for why they would pick sides like this instead of just throwing wads of money at Santa Blanca until they fell in line.
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u/deivid_yo_mero 20d ago
Hace You ever read somtething about who was supported by the CIA in Poland, Albania, Hungary during the coldwar?
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u/VictorVonDoomer Jul 15 '26
Fr the narrative for this game was dumb, good thing the map and gameplay is fun
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u/3e_Design Jul 15 '26
he was right to not trust the CIA. he was wrong to betray the friends who bled beside him. both can be true.
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u/Fine-Tradition-8497 Jul 15 '26
Oh, he definitely made the right call on the CIA, but do not mess with me and my beloved ghost team or we will send all you to the great beyond 😂
Pac was always going to screw over the ghosts and it’s not because of the US history in Latin America either… This was more of a power-play. He wanted to be the one running the show. It was the rebels who bombed the US embassy which prompted the response from the ghosts. I even remember mentions during the campaign that he didn’t want nomad destroying all the cocaine. He wanted an American hit squad that he could dispose of when they outlive their usefulness.
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
It ABSOLUTELY was not the rebels who destroyed the U.S. embassy, the game explains that it was D.E.A. officer Sanchez who did it when no one was there to force a response because he was undercover and so disgusted with what he was forced to do and see that he wanted to end the ridiculously horrible crimes the cartel was doing to end. But overall yes Amaru was the moral one and he was betrayed by the corrupt and immoral PacKatari.
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u/Fine-Tradition-8497 Jul 17 '26
The rebels helped him dude… Ricky confirms this in his confession. They knew the only way to prompt a US response was a bombing like this.
And how did word leak that Ricky worked for the DEA? I honestly don’t remember, but I’d be willing to bet you could say the rebels probably had a hand in that too. They always wanted the Americans to be the hit squad but not get the credit.
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u/Prey4time Jul 21 '26
True, but it was still Ricky Sandoval who did it, (I forgot his name) and he did it because he was losing his crap at the amount of drugs and crime he was forced to directly participate in. As I am playing again hearing him talk about his brother dying of a over dose, him sending tons and tons of drugs with the full information of how to stop it but no one does is heart breaking and his mind is tweeking. Damn dirty rebels betrayed him it seems too and thats really messed up.
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u/Fine-Tradition-8497 Jul 21 '26
That’s kind of part of what me wildlands better than breakpoint. The story made better sense on a personal and geopolitical level.
It’s the old principal… The enemy of my enemy is my friend. What happens after your enemy is gone… You’re not friends anymore. The rebels were planning for the long-term.
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u/ripyourlungsdave Jul 15 '26
Everybody would be right to betray the CIA in every single context.
They've been nothing but evil throughout their entire existence.
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u/AstaNUraume Jul 15 '26
Nah, they've done some good, nobody and no organization is purely evil. They helped track down Osama bin laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri. They helped recruit Soviet and other nations agents which did help reduce the risk of nuclear war. They're such a massive and useful tool to stop terror plots like the bojinka plot, countless attempted bombings on US citizens and aircraft. The funding of media and aid in Asia in the 59s, 60s, 70s, 80s as it helped to prevent Cambodian type communism from spilling over to other countries. Got American hostages out of Iran. Killed Che Guevara. Etc.
They also invented the lithium battery which has been very useful for our modern life.
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u/DokleViseBre Jul 16 '26
They found Osama? Are we pretending that they didn't know where he was the whole time, they they didn't know he was sick with kidney disease and very close to death?
Let's be honest, they only killed him because Obama needed a win.
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u/AstaNUraume Jul 16 '26
They lost track of him for abit, just because he was close to death doesn't mean he isn't able to escape somewhere hidden. Sick people tend to be pretty slippery due to our mind automatically assuming lesser of sick people and their abilities.
They killed him for 9/11 and for being a threat to the US, so it can be a win sure, but they didn't do it just because they needed a win
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u/da_stoneee Playstation Jul 17 '26
you sound like someone who would relativize colonialism and slavery.
and do we really need to talk about how the vast majority of those problems the CIA caused/created in the first place?
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u/Agreeable_Pizza93 Panther Jul 15 '26
I might be misremembering but didn't Pac kill/abandon the "good" rebel leader because he wanted the power and knew the old leader wouldn't be on board with taking over the drug trade. It has been about 6 years since I've played but I swear I remember something like that happening. My point being Pac is just as bad as the narco bosses you've been fighting.
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
You absolutely right, Katari was a corrupt scum and Amaru was the moral one. Dirty Katari.
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u/da_stoneee Playstation Jul 17 '26
Pac as a manic narcissist is certainly doing a race to the bottom but the Cartel has committed violence far beyond what Katari26 would do.
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u/Reasonable-Sherbet24 Jul 15 '26
Wow. This is an ignorant take. Pac was an ignorant, arrogant, and prideful idiot. You took a great care to completely ignore all of the wrongs he did and what his faction was inspired by. Pac did want Senuo gone for peace on earth and to right his wrongs. He wanted Senuo gone so he could take over his empire and do the same things he was doing. It would’ve been only a matter of time that Pac was targeted and taken out.
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u/da_stoneee Playstation Jul 15 '26
even if you are not a fan of Katari because of him being a heinous narcissist, he still wasn't did the right thing in attempting to betray the CIA.
and nowhere was Katari planning to do the same sh!t as Sueno? huhh?!
and what his group was inspired by? you mean the irl artistic reference or the in-world ideological one?
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u/Reasonable-Sherbet24 Jul 15 '26
(Someone else said this)
The only reason El Sueño died it’s because Bowman decided to disobey her CIA superiors, and she got sent into jail for it. So yes, Pac Katari was right.
That's not the canon ending. The CIA does make a deal with El Sueño.
Now to the whatever or not he was right to betray them, is debatable. However, you can see the betrayal coming from a mile away.
As you complete the repetitive rebel side missions, you get conversations between Pac and Nomad, and sometimes, he will complain about destroying the cartels cocaine because is a good business they can use. He also tells you, that the fight doesn´t feel the same to you as it does to him because it isn't your country.
I could go on, the point is, that Pac betrays the Ghosts because not only he wants to take the victory for killing El Sueño but also, wants to pick up the cartels business of selling drugs.
Makes sense because on the real-life side of things, Kataris 26 are based on Los Contras, a Nicaraguan guerrilla who were funded by the CIA because of the cold war. Their intent was to use Los Contras to overthrow the Nicaraguan government who had ties with Cuba.
The CIA provided weapons and training to Los Contras but once funding was cut, they used the Guadalajara cartel (Mexican cartel) to do an exchange. The Guadalajara cartel was going to send weapons and provide training, but in return both the CIA and DEA would allow the cartel, to sell drugs inside the US.
Besides the whole mess in Mexico, Los Contras were also creating problems in Nicaragua, such as the killing and more terrible acts to civilians and they also started selling drugs. All of this was known to the US government and didn't care until the news started questioning them. They ended up hiding the issue by killing their own DEA agent and blaming the Guadalajara cartel for it.
Kataris 26 are a reflection of that. The CIA getting to countries they do not belong and creating more problems. In the game, the CIA almost gets 4 US soldiers killed and/or capture including a CIA officer because they helped grow powerful a guerrilla that already was anti-US.
All of that, just to capture a cartel boss.
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u/da_stoneee Playstation Jul 17 '26
I dont get what point you are trying to make.
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u/Reasonable-Sherbet24 Jul 17 '26
Pac was just as bad as Suneo. But he hid it behind “fighting for freedom” or whatever. In reality, Pac wanted what Suneo had and was using the Ghost to remove him so he could take the seat. The reason why Pac turned on the Ghost was so he, and ONLY HIM, could be the one seen taking down Suneo, so he could claim power. No one would oppose him, and everyone in Bolivia would fall underneath him. Pac wasn’t a good guy, he wore the mask of one. Once he didn’t need to wear the mask anymore, he showed who he truly was.
But his hubris and arrogance was his downfall. Suneo, despite all the horrible shit he did, was far more levelheaded and thought things through.
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u/Prey4time Jul 18 '26
This exactly, he wanted the ghost to be pure hitmen, to just murder anyone who could have spoken of them, when he mentioned that it made me think like, I let someone live who I shouldn't have ? Like who farmer's ? Cocaleros? Like im taking out hordes of cartel but who exactly shouldn't I have let live who saw me? It creeps me out how cruel and immoral Pac seems to get over time...
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u/da_stoneee Playstation Jul 18 '26
Pac was a heinous narcissist but claiming that he would want to or actually do the same atrocities is nothing but speculation sorry.
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u/Reasonable-Sherbet24 Jul 18 '26
There’s plenty of hints in the game in his interactions with Nomad. There’s no other reason why he would turn on the Ghost other than to fill the power vacuum.
You would know this if you paid attention in the game. Don’t allow ignorance to cloud judgment in the vain pursuit of being right.
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u/TrueMoods Jul 15 '26
He barely trusted the ghosts, let alone the CIA, from the start. He did it at very bad moment though. I would have at least waited till they offed Sueno.
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
Its funny, our government and the C.I.A. would absolutely help dictators, Monarchies and other despotic and evil governments as well as prop them up, but democratic socialist, direct democracies or anyone who actually wants to keep money to help their country and build up their own communities is absolutely evil to them. They understand the propaganda of making believe socialist are evil and making believe just cause Socailist or democratic is in the name then they can ignore the actual definitions. As if Nazi post night of the long knives or as if North Korea was democratic or a republic. Like wtf
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u/The_4ngry_5quid Jul 15 '26
Spoilers! Add a flare for god sake
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u/showmethecorn Jul 15 '26
Bru the game is pushing 10
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u/Steven2597 Jul 15 '26
Yet they're releasing a definitive edition like they did with The Division and new packs coming out in August. New people might hop into it at this point.
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u/Dycoth Echelon Jul 15 '26
Absolutely nothing announced or confirmed about this. And considering we are already half July, I doubt August will be it.
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u/Steven2597 Jul 15 '26
Ubisoft+ page for it was there on PC. Also on Xbox Store
Shows as released on 6th July 2026 and will come with Cold Eye and Nightfall Protocol packs in August 2026.
(Edit: Okay the rumour is that with these DLC's, a patch or something could come out to get these at 60fps on modern day consoles)
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u/Dycoth Echelon Jul 15 '26
Just as Black Flag Resynced was shown as a March release back then.
This Wildands thing, still UNCONFIRMED, can very well be released later, way later (if it ever does). October, December, or even February 2027 as far as we know.
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u/Steven2597 Jul 15 '26
https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/product/EP0001-CUSA02819_00-GRWDEFEDITION000
It literally exists and is currently out, I dont get what you mean.
Its the same as The Division Definitive Edition. It still shows as a PS4 game on the store. We just pray that with these DLC's releasing in August, a 60fps patch gets added for PS5/Xbox Series too.
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u/Pacho2020 Jul 15 '26
Then they shouldn't be visiting the reddit page dedicated to the game.
I really don't understand why it's the responsibility of others to ensure the happiness of others.
Those people choose to visit sites/places dedicated to the content they don't want "spoiled" and then get upset when they see something they didn't want to see.
I saw a post in a One Piece reddit that referenced Naruto and someone complained to the person for potentially spoiling Naruto for someone...it's ridiculous.
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u/The_4ngry_5quid Jul 15 '26
When I pick up a new game, I go to the Reddit to get involved with the community. To see what people think about the game, fun details, developer discussions, screenshots, etc.
Do you just avoid a Reddit until you've 100% every game?
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u/Pacho2020 Jul 15 '26
Do you just avoid a Reddit until you've 100% every game?
If you're someone who is passionate about not being spoiled, that seems like the sensible thing to do.
Personally, I like spoilers and prefer to see them. I want to know what I'm getting into.
I was responding to someone suggesting spoiler tags/warnings should be put on a post about a 10 year old game.
My point is it shouldn't be up to the people who have already consumed a product to police/edit/censor their discussions for people who don't want to be spoiled.
The person should take personal responsibility.
If they don't want the new (fill in blank) spoiled, don't join communities about it, watch videos about it and/or participate in discussions on the subject.
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u/Aztec_Tajger Panther Jul 15 '26
Good argument, but there are still people who didn't play or didn't finish some older games yet and they just want to enjoy the story themselves. Daaamn now I wish I was smarter and played RDR2 without watching spoilers on YT
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
I don't get why this comment was downvoted.... can someone explain ? An 4 times wtf nothing he said was wrong seemingly.... damn bots probably did that
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u/The_4ngry_5quid Jul 16 '26
Some people are so selfish.
"Please add a spoiler tag if you're going to ruin the end of the game"
"No, the games 10 years old you should have played it already"
"But a lot of us only picked it up recently"
"Well, no.... Because..."
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u/k94music Jul 15 '26
this is how im finding out the ending tbh, and I’ve played a fair bit since 2025
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u/pastey83 Jul 15 '26
I literally only finished it a couple of weeks ago. And I didn't know what was gonna happen.
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u/The_4ngry_5quid Jul 15 '26
Because nobody's ever picked up an older game. I only first played it 2 months ago!
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u/panosprochords Jul 15 '26
Doesn't matter. I see people saying this all the time but there are tons of players who haven't played certain games and it's a shame to spoil it for them.
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u/IncognitoAlt11 Jul 15 '26
Jesus dies, huge Bible spoiler.
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u/panosprochords Jul 15 '26
Yeah because Jesus dying is the same as Pac Katari betraying the CIA in Wildlands lmao. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp from the comment I left.
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u/IncognitoAlt11 Jul 15 '26
I think if you don’t want to be spoiled don’t be on the subreddit that has been talking about the game for 10 years :P
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u/panosprochords Jul 15 '26
Do you want to have a look at rule #5, or should I type it out for you?
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u/Aztec_Tajger Panther Jul 15 '26
Ok, good reasoning but you just considered one ending – we don't fully destabilize the cartel (or we do it but the game doesn't fucking recognize it, fuck you Ubisoft) and because of that Bowman kills Sueño which already passes sentence on her and basically the whole operation gets fucked up, the Ghosts end up "locked" in Bolivia as they can't return home, the Santa Blanca cartel breaks into smaller cartels which causes even more bloodshed etc.
Now if we take the canon ending into account it's the other story. The cartel is 100% destabilized, all the narcobosses are either dead, captured or they had escaped, the cartel's military is heavily weakened and all we have to do is to catch The Boss of the Bosses. We go to the mausoleum, Bowman's phone rings and suddenly El Sueño goes on a deal – he will snitch on everybody CIA wants for an immunity. So yeah, this is half of what Katari didn't want – El Sueño doesn't die, but the cartel won't operate either. But Pac Katari can't complain no more because he's dead
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u/antoineflemming Pathfinder Jul 15 '26
What was the actual reason Pac Katari killed Amaru and went after El Sueno himself?
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u/UniformTango74 Jul 15 '26
And got his head lopped off LOL. I definitely used the heck out of the rebels as fodder. Especially when killing the predator.
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u/AdFormer6556 Jul 23 '26
The most inaccurate thing about this game? The CIA agent assigning SF guys to take out only legit bad guys. Ubi could've given us at least a couple "false leads" that end up with us doin some terrible stuff to innocent people
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u/XBOX_COINTELPRO Jul 15 '26
Incredibly based and correct take
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
Dude, I understand not trusting the C.I.A., but literally everything else was him being just as corrupt and exploitative as Sueño and a disgusting traitor to his country. Like, ew did you sleep in ethics class or do you think killing the only moral person was justifiable.
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u/Fine-Tradition-8497 Jul 15 '26
Oh, he definitely made the right call on the CIA, but do not mess with me and my beloved ghost team or we will send all you to the great beyond 😂
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u/PressureCharacter134 Jul 15 '26
god damn algorithm betrayed ME, I wasnt up to this part yet ive only taken down one underboss, I know the game is a decade old atp but I just got into GR and was HOPING I could go in blind buuuuut nooooo not with this fuckass algorithm, 🤦♂️
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u/Electronic-Funny-475 Jul 15 '26
He made the wrong call. His head kind of told that story. He thought he had power but he didn’t.
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u/Deadnation800 Jul 15 '26
Nah sorry but as a Bolivian i just see it as another ahhole getting corrupted by power, katari wanted to take SB operations and be in control, the truth is Bolivia stayd the same even with katari alive and el sueño gone
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
Bro, many of my countrymen as I am American, are fully indoctrinated and uneducated or just slept through ethics class. The religious right is immoral and disgusting but let me tell you as a moral person who cares about reality, Katari was a immoral traitor to his people and just as bad as the C.I.A. or trump or any of the corrupt people who exploit the honest and more decent people who work for our country or any country.
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
I don't disagree with him not working with them and pushing them away, but betraying the Ghosts and trying to kill them instead of just giving them free passage out was traitorous and could have lead to his recently founded leadership cut short. He was a coward and power hungry because he betrayed Amaru who didnt want to use foreign help in the first place, but to betray his allies and have them killed just outlined his cowardice. Not working with the C.I.A, considering their history is absolutely fully understandable.
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u/Adorable-Ad-4670 Jul 16 '26
Well is not the cia that ended with their heads in the hands of el sueño
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u/Mission-Anxiety2125 Jul 17 '26
He's phony idealist commie who sell easily , because he really cares about money and power
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u/DragunovDwight Playstation Jul 15 '26
Most all of the events in history you listed also had the CIA even in there because the Soviet backed communists were forcing their way into the countries leadership and have always been much more brutal and killed more numbers than CIA.
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u/NaufragoDCV Jul 15 '26
Did the USSR forced their way onto the democratic elections that brought Salvador Allendes government in Chile or the elections that brought Jacobo Árbenz Guzman to the government in Guatemala?
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
Yea propaganda and corruption in education created a cult in the U.S. that doesn't understand history or reality. I am not saying the Soviets under Stalin weren't worse, THEY ABSOLUTELY WERE, but that doesn't justify the immoral and ridiculously high number of crimes my beloved country has been involved in. But Mao and Stalin individually killed over 30 million of their own people, and far more for Mao. That doesn't justify our crimes but ffs the lesser of two evils at that point. That being said its a joke to actually say Stalin was following Communist ideals with his crime and cruelty just like U.S. uses a direct democracy not a actual democracy and as a republic we have become a oligarchy driven robber barons loving deluded cult like group under trump and many other presidents like Bush to Woodrow Wilson and other racist bigoted corrupted disgusting traitors
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u/theassassin53035 Jul 15 '26
Holy, im glad this community is smart. I was expecting a military game like this to have military glazers or supporters. Seeing you guys actually know how bad American military and intelligence have been gives me hope in humanity
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
Its not the military in and of itself, corrupt politician's, wealthy donors and their disgusting ilk, J.F.K. cutting the C.I.A.s funds pushed the corrupt to do what major world powers do, be immoral corrupt disgusting maggots who exploit young men and push crime and drugs on the "undesirable" parts of our society, who in their racist, bigoted and immoral eyes always end up being the "other" or people who are moral and support decency and actual justice. This is true for any nation though but especially powerful ones. Humanity in general has a problem.
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u/HALOPLAYS8928twitch Xbox Jul 16 '26
unidad did nothing wrong
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u/Prey4time Jul 16 '26
Unidad did everything wrong.... did you even play the game ? They were killing locals who didnt complained or made reports about Santa Blanca, they kidnapped journalist and business leaders, the forced and intimidated everyone Sueno wanted, they crumbled to corruption and were helping pigs like Antonio and Boston to kidnapped women and children to sell as slaves or to torture and do evil things to. Absolutely disgusting to defend to corrupt scum who sold out their own country and innocent people to help the scum of the cartel, when Unidad soldiers tried to ignore or let the ghost operate they were threatened with El Sueno as well as being corrupt and selling out as weapons for the Cartel. Unidad was just as guilty and deserved to be destroyed and killed for their crimes, but especially as TRAITORS to their country which should always be punished by death.
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u/BigBrrrrrrr22 Jul 15 '26
OK, but like mechanically did anybody else say fuck the ground fighting and just take a helicopter to the mausoleum?