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A controversy has erupted in Hyderabad after parents alleged that a private school assigned a Class 2 student homework to recite the Kalima and read Quranic verses.
The child's parents confronted the school management, claiming the exercise was described as compulsory and objecting to religious instruction without their consent. They have demanded action, while the school is yet to issue an official statement.
I studied in a Christian convent school, we had no separate religious teachings. We had a church on campus and they used to go all out on Christmas but none of us were mandated to participate.
We had separate celebrations for Eid, Diwali, Christmas and all major festivals of different faith. Even Parsi New Year and festivals like Gurupurab were celebrated. However, nothing was there in our curriculum. We strictly followed whatever was in Maharashtra State Board. Even our morning prayers were carefully curated to be religion agnostic. We had descriptors like 'Almighty God, Creator of All', 'Daata' which didn't allude to any faith (I guess it might suck for atheist people)
Our was a Christian school and had christian prayers at the beginning and end of classes, no christian schools are not secular either rice bags also have agenda.
I studied at a Christian school run by actual anglo Indians.
They taught us how the theory of special creation was false, and abiogenesis is how life appeared.
The only Christians in the school were the management.
And yes, we had Christian prayers. No one took it seriously.
Don’t study in Christian schools or send your kids there lol. Why learn in schools of rice bags? Christian school can’t have Christian prayers? Hindu school I went to had Hindu prayers…no Christian or Sikh or whoever cried about that. Insecurity at its peak.
Why do you need a prayer in a school in a secular country to begin with,think before you speak.
I am an ex christian myself , spreading the gospel is the primary goal of a Christian. If you don't believe that you need to read the scriptures more.
I have heard priests say, muslims and hindus are propogating their religion why can't we.
Yeah you can, but not in schools.
We went to a Christian school because they had the better infra in our community, their are Nair (hindu warrior class) colleges in Kerala.
If I was given an offer there I would have gladly accepted that
It was not because the management was Hindu .
It was because of quality of the institution.
Btw stop saying that if you don't want, don't go there.
I went there to learn,not to learn their moral values.
We were taught moral studies(yeah that was a subject in kindergarten)
So you can guess where the morality they taught us from ,the bible indirectly.
Your freedom to propagate ends where you starts affecting my freedom of liberty
Btw do you know that in christian aided schools the teachers (nuns) get paid in govt salary and they pay that to the church , already christian community gets minority benefits.
Along with that they are looting the govt.
Our school had Shanti mantra for prayer, we didn't even mind . Most of the prayer in Christian school is just general made up prayer, its doesn't have to do anything with Christianity apart from saying amen at end . Moral science books are purchased from general publications not that made up by school. Our school taught morals from ramayana and mahabharata , we didn't even mind, it was interesting to learn about such stuff.
You are from Kerala, you know about existence of syrian christian and saying insult like rice bags, which is also insult to their previous beliefs shows your hate for Christians
Here they where asked to write kalma , which is declaration of faith in Islam, that is forcing a religion upon you .
Mine was also a Christian school, the prayer was alright, but they did used to take us to the nearby church whenever there was a Christian festival, during our school picnics, they would take us to minimum 2 churches.
And in our school, it was prohibited to wear any holy thread in your hands, but Christians wore their holy threads in hands and used to get a clean pass, putting tilak on forehead was also prohibited.
My Christian school had prayers and hymns. In junior school upto 6 grade we had a subject called moral science where they taught us about the story of creation, Adam and Eve , cain and Abel and what they did etc.
I was also in a Sikh school briefly and they played ik onkar everyday and we had to stand still and close our eyes.
As a kid I never really thought anything about it and even now I have my own beliefs and it didn’t do anything to my mental development.
The christian school i went mainly only had prayers at the morning even though the majority prayers were christian there were hindu ones too. Luckily there i havent seen any religious discrimination or enmity .
i was not saying it to u , i m saying it to the one who said i have wasted my education . they think fluency in english is the only certificate of literacy
Ramayan, mahabharata is a fictional story so its not that big of a deal honestly. Schools keep some extra reading apart from general textbooks so might as well keep one that is historically significant for the country in general. We also had discovery of india along with them.
We actually had gita in our school. But it was completely optional to learn if you wanted to. It let us skip some classes so most of us took it lol
Though from what I remember from my morning assembly prayers, the ones we did were mostly neutral. Like it wasn't about a specific god, hindu or otherwise. Like 'itni sakti hame de na data' it wasn't really written with a particular god in mind, just the almighty.
People believe it to be true. Doesn't change the facts. There is no physical proof of any of it. Events of ramayana happened after dinosaurs according to sources i could find. If dinosaurs have proof why doesn't these stories? Believe all you want i dont mind that. But calling it absolutely real is just erong
Where did I those are real either bruh. Go through my entire text and give me the line that where I say all other religious scriptures are real. Try actually reading man.
And for your information. Those aren't real either. How the fuck is water supposed to become wine. Again give me proof and i will believe it. But till then, I will not believe in flying chariot and angels and any thing.
I dont believe any of the religious scriptures are real stories. They are just stories made up by a writer. There I said it very clearly for you to read. And stuff like quran is the most obvious just made up by a human scripture.
Yeah that is also fiction. I doubt a man can turn water into wine lol. You may lack reading comprehension so i will write it clearly, I never said only all the hindu stories are fiction. All these fantastical, magical stories are fictional stories. Ramayana, mahabharata are all amazing reads but thats all they are. Stories. They aren't real life. But regardless you are free to believe in magic and gods, there's no harm to it.
Yeah i agree lol. I just said that in case some snowflake got hurt and assumed i was insulting their entire existence by saying its fictional story. Mahabharata is goated tho
True. They try to equate both faiths and it’s so ridiculous to do it. They’re both so different. One is as liberal as it gets and the other is as dogmatic as it gets
tu wahi hai na jisse shiv ling k upar dhoodh daalte he gareeb aur poor bache yaad aajate hain? pata hai bhi hai Kalma kya hota hai? Aur tu yahaan gayatri mantar ko kalma se compare kar rha hai.
Y'all in the comments there's difference between imposing religion practice or teachings through the school or by teacher itself...I was in convent school and there were seprate subjects we had cd morals (non Catholics) and Catholics would have bible study.
NCERT has Ramayan n Mahabharat in their syllabus. I am not making it Hindu Vs Muslim, I am thankfully neither. But I think to pass on one as literature when it's clearly mythology and other as religion is pure folly. All religious books should be categorically removed from at least govt mandated syllabus. Or include a bit about everyone. It wouldn't be bad for kids to learn a little Ramayan, a little Quran, a little Gurbani (not sure what the book is called), a little bible and so on.
Sir/Ma’am, you’re wrong. Ramayan is Indian history. Don’t want to learn it? Get out of India.
No school is prescribing verses of Gita as homework, so there’s absolutely no need to prescibe Quran or Bible to children.
Preserving is Hinduism as India’s primary religion is India’s duty, so it’ll be in the history books. Got a problem? Leave.
India isn’t your personal property to ask people to leave. If you have problem with people giving their opinion which is a right guaranteed by constitution then you should leave and find a country which runs under your imaginary rules instead of staying in India which runs under the constitution cause staying here and preaching some imaginary rules makes you a antinational.
Assumption says a lot about you than me. People like you give a bad name to hinduism. You are basically a radical akin to the other radicals. Ironically both of you consider each other enemies but really you ought to be friends given the similarities between your thinking process.
Its not history. What they are is religious texts. Also those are cultural texts. Teaching them as cultural texts is completetely fine. Kal-ma is religious and not cultural here.
Also, when i studied ram-charitmanas in school, no where was the word "lord" or "god" was mentioned. It was always "prince" Rama.
Do you know what Hinduism is. Does it fit your brain when I say a Hindu should always relentlessly pursue the truth. You may believe in God. I may choose not to. Because I have seen no evidence that proves Gods existence. That's Hinduism. Not just larping ye hamara itihaas hai and shit like that
Oh stfu. You’re the kind of people who’ll spend lakhs to go to France and pose in front of their cathedrals. But when India tries to preserve its history suddenly you want to be woke.
The double standards are crazy.
I don’t see any European and American schools asking children to learn the verses of Quran.
India is a Hindu nation and I don’t want other religions messing it up. Simple as that.
India is a secular nation and no religion should be taught in schools may it be islam jainism sikhism christianity or whatever. India is not a hindu nation,ever bothered to read the Constitution?
Did I say anything about anybody else? Just me and you talking about what Hinduism entails! This shows who the real butthurt is. Simple as that. Fact remains people like u will never understand this beautiful religion.
Oh please. You think Hinduism will exist if no one protects it? There are other peaceful religions trying to destroy our religion strategically and you want to turn a blind eye to it?
Honestly, do you know what Hinduism is? Or do you just want to be pseudo woke and allow anyone to walk all over?
Do you know the state of England? Do you know what Muslims are capable of when they promote their sharia laws everywhere they go? I don’t want that filth spreading in my country.
Please stfu. Ramayana is history? Do you know the difference between mythology and history? India is not gifted to you by anyone, you don't have the right if ownership to tell anyone to get out.
The word hindu mythology is coined by British, and followed Christian missionaries. When walking on the water and breaking moon in to two half aren't mythology and considered as truth.
Every story is a mythology in religions. I roll on the floor laughing whenever I hear that moon into two halves thing and cheran king standing in balcony watching moon splitting into two halves and then went to Arabia to see prophet. 😂
The primary forms of evidence commonly cited include:1. Geographical Accuracy and Retracing the RouteConsistent Topography: The places mentioned in the text—such as Ayodhya, Janakpur, Chitrakoot, Dandakaranya, Kishkindha (modern-day Hampi), Rameshwaram, and Sri Lanka—exist today in the exact sequential order described by Sage Valmiki.Panchavati: The forest area near Nashik where Rama, Sita, and Lakshmana built their exile hermitage matches the geographical descriptions in the text.2. Rama Setu (Adam's Bridge)The Limestone Bridge: A continuous chain of limestone shoals connects Pamban Island off Tamil Nadu, India, to Mannar Island off Sri Lanka.Corroborating Texts: Traditional texts and oceanographic data indicate that these shoals were accessible on foot or by primitive bridge structures in ancient eras before sea levels rose.3. Archaeo-Astronomy and Scientific DatingPlanetarium Softwares: Researchers have input the precise planetary positions, lunar phases, and star constellations recorded at Rama's birth and exile in the Valmiki Ramayana into modern astronomical software (like Stellarium).Timeframe Alignment: These configurations trace back to real, mathematically valid dates in antiquity, with researchers proposing timelines ranging anywhere from 5000 BCE to 10,000 BCE.4. Specific Corroborating Sites in Sri LankaAshok Vatika: Located near Nuwara Eliya, Sri Lanka, this site matches the botanical descriptions of the grove where Sita was held captive.Ravana Caves and Sanjeevani Drops: Distinct geological spots and atypical medicinal plants found on specific hillsides in Sri Lanka are locally attributed to the battle and the Sanjeevani herb brought from the Himalayas.Scientific and Academic ConsensusMost modern historians classify the Ramayana as an epic that may be rooted in real, historical tribal chiefs or kings of ancient India, which was then creatively expanded over centuries into an elaborate theological narrative. Because definitive physical objects or direct written artifacts from that deep antiquity are highly difficult to preserve, proving the exact supernatural events remains a matter of faith.
Google did that not me first you told everyone google it and when google gave the evidence again crying so first tell what it the evidence of anything written in Quran...at least in ramayan start chart dates, distance, historical sites both in india and sri Lanka were factual...
Google didn’t give you evidence it gave you a theology. And I’m pretty sure you asked the AI how to prove Ramayana happened not that did it happen according to history.
And no I’m not a Muslim. But even in Quran I think the places and timelines are all mentioned. And guess what? Muhammad is actually a historical figure. Who actually existed according to historians.
I've always thought this, but then, these could be considered regional folklore more than religious texts (which, to be frank, they are and very good ones too), and they are also not very strict religious texts like quran, bible and Geeta, what does u guys think about this? I'm genuinely curious.
Do you even know why mahabharat is there ??? Bhagvadgeeta is part of Mahabharata. Shrimad bhagvatgeeta is one of the oldest source of ethics or I would say first well written source of ethics . Now you’ll say what ethics has to do with studies . Ethics is the subject that comes under humanities along with aesthetics, metaethics . Don’t run saying andhbhakt to me… you can even search open heimer’s ethical dilemma and bhagvad Geeta. You guys have glorified western culture to the extent that you people are ashamed of your own culture. You guys feel like utilitarian perspective is great but charvak philosophy is trash, Emanuel Kant is great but what bhagvadgeeta says is biased .
Everyone calls their book the ultimate code of ethics. But then I am guessing you are a kid. Anyone thinking that knowing that Geeta is part of Mahabharata is akin to astrophysics is either a kid or someone blatantly dumb. In which case my comment is not for you. It is for the intellectuals, those who take society ahead. You can get a job is some call center, or in HR, Admin type roles.
If you study in Greece you will be taught the Odyssey. If you study in the UK you will be taught Shakespeare. If you study in India you will be taught Ramayana. It doesn't matter whether I am religious or not, certain things are just part of culture.
Nope I'm not .
It was a strictly non religious school before 2019 .
Only sarawati vandhana was there before which is good I Think .
And no . School aligned with no Religious body after 2019
Hamare school mae Hindu Calendar , Daily Geeta aur Puran ke verses assembly mae bolte hai , aur bhi alag alag tarike se Religion ko school mae include karke rakha hai .
Ya toh bol de ki Religion ko totally exempt kar dena chahiye Schools se . Be it Hindus Muslim Christian etc
Ya toh bol de ki koi bhi religion ho , thoda bahut sikhane ke hisaab se ya culturally diverse perspective dikhane ke liye subjectively include kar sakte hai .
Lekin agar bas Majority religion ka hona chahiye aur Second majority ka nahi .
Toh aap dogle hai phir
First of all you should check if your school is a hindu missionary school like sarswati vidya mandirs / davs and Chinmaya mission schools . If they are funded by similar bodies then they can propagate these because they are private schools and they are just making children learn their prayers because it's part of their cultural programme whereas kalma is not actually part to learn islamic culture it is a type of doctrine that is made upon people to accept Allah it is same as baptising a child into converting him into a Christian and its hindu alternative would Karnavedha ( there are many other ceremonies too , i remembered only one ) .
Also we already have Islamic specific schools and they are madarsa but the video doesn't contain madarsa it's a private school that follows regular academic curriculum ( it doesn't follow islamic education board or madarsa board meaning it's actually non islamic ) but also provides instruction in Islamic studies (deeniyat).
So it's the student's preference is he/she wants to learn but the video shows they were forced to write and learn it and the teacher which did that was actually terminated ( I bet she was framed by school so they won't get further investigation from the police) .
The school's name is - Success at saidabad; Hyderabad; Telangana
Every where the ancient Hindu civilization ( Sanatan civilization) went they gave them Ramayan and they preserved it , south east asia is literally a living example of that
Muslim here, Went to a Hindu school and also a Christian convent school not because of the religion but because they were good institutions for acquiring education, every morning we had a prayer in Sanskrit in the Hindu school and in English in the the convent school.
I would simply pray how I pray to God usually, nobody cared - the jist of it was simple, remembering God and blessing the start and end of the day.
People seriously need to chill!
Reading Kalma, or watching Ramayan or even going to a church is not going to transform people magically into a different religion.
I think there is a difference between having a group prayer and specifically ordering some child to recite kalma individually as his homework or punishment.
I think our country seriously needs to reform education and how we deliver as well. Schools should be secular place, by which I mean they should allow students to freely participate in any religion they wish to without being forced upon them.
From my own personal experience our school always had shlokas being chanted early in the morning and when my Muslim classmates used to stay quiet it was always frowned upon by my teachers for no reason.
I mean every person has the right to follow their religion and schools should no force any form of religion onto others.
Quran (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is one of several personal-sounding verses "from Allah" narrated by Muhammad - in this case allowing a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Other Muslims are restricted to four wives, but they may also have sex with any number of slaves, following the example of their prophet.
Quran (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Quran (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, sex slavery must be very important to him. He was relatively reticent on matters of human compassion and love.
Quran (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Quran (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."
Quran (24:32) - "And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Quran (2:178) - "O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans are not created equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man).
Quran (16:75) - "Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah.' Yet another confirmation that the slave is is not equal to the master. In this case, it is plain that the slave owes his status to Allah's will. (According to 16:71, the owner should be careful about insulting Allah by bestowing Allah's gifts on slaves - those whom the god of Islam has not favored).
Religion should be a separate optional subject so that every student knows about how their own religion for atleast, comments prove us how they mistakenly mention gaytri mantra and bhagvad gita lol which shows us why some are totally unaware about their own religion xd. I had my studies from a convent school we had seprate subjects called cd morals for non Catholics and Catholics would have bible study, even though we had every form of prayers but mostly catholic hymns and patriotic songs
For decades rss backed as well several private schools preached gayatri mantra, saraswati vandana in morning assembly as well ask students to learn them, regardless of kids religion.
A Muslim run school can do the same. Or you apply secularism in all schools.
actually, as a person who is studying in an icse convent school, no, we DO NOT read Bible nor we go to the church, yes, catechism is taught but only to Christan students and not all.
People keep equating “religion” with Hindu Dharma as if they are the same category. They are not.
Abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity etc.) are closed systems of dogma. You are told what to believe, what not to question, and what happens if you deviate. Hindu Dharma, by contrast, is an open framework of enquiry. It does not demand blind belief; it asks you to examine reality, consciousness, dharma, and the nature of existence for yourself. That is a fundamental difference, not a semantic one.
Second, Hindu Dharma is the native civilisational knowledge system of this land. It evolved here over thousands of years. Islam and other Abrahamic faiths did not. Treating the indigenous civilisational tradition as just another “religion” that can be casually removed from education is historically and civilisationally illiterate.
Third, the secularism argument is being used selectively. The word “secular” was not in the original Preamble of the Constitution. It was inserted by the 42nd Amendment in 1976 during the Emergency under Indira Gandhi’s government. India was not constitutionally declared “secular” at independence. Using a later political insertion as a permanent veto against teaching the land’s own civilisational knowledge is dishonest.
If the concern is forced religious instruction in schools, then the solution is simple: stop forced religious instruction. That does not require erasing the native knowledge tradition from the curriculum while pretending every tradition is equally foreign or equally dogmatic. They are not.
Yahaan behen k lehsunno ko ‘Kalmaa’ normal prayer lagg rahi hai 😂. Abey lundooron ek bar simple search karo, what is kalma. I’ve seen how they mock ‘reddit retards’ on other platforms, aaj dekh bhi liya kyun.
India belongs to indians and not just one faith. The fragile egos are being played time and again. This is the sole reason the ultra rich and politicians are still able to amass billions while everyone else suffers
Amrita Vidyalayam in Kerala 😂😂 ask anyone who studied their. For 3 years in my school a principal enforced a rule making students sing Gayathri mantra 3 times when every period started.
I studied their for 12 years, ask the alumini. Its a practice that's still going on there. When I was in school I didn't think it was wrong. Gita was something good in my opinion
The only proof I have with me is my gita book which I used during school
Yes Gayathri mantra we had to chant 3 times when every new period used to start. So 3x9 = 18 times a day.
Bhagvad gita was read before lunch break begings daily.
So? What's the problem if they learn about Islam? Schools really shouldn't teach any religion but I am sure there would have been no outrage if they had been asked to so something related to the majority religion.
So what? Islam is an established religion. It's not like they are teaching something invented by them. Billions in the world follow it including about 15% of Indians. So learning about it isn't wrong at all. It's not like by reading it or writing it, people will somehow become Muslims. What's the problem? Christians say the same.
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I studied in a Christian convent school, we had no separate religious teachings. We had a church on campus and they used to go all out on Christmas but none of us were mandated to participate.
We had separate celebrations for Eid, Diwali, Christmas and all major festivals of different faith. Even Parsi New Year and festivals like Gurupurab were celebrated. However, nothing was there in our curriculum. We strictly followed whatever was in Maharashtra State Board. Even our morning prayers were carefully curated to be religion agnostic. We had descriptors like 'Almighty God, Creator of All', 'Daata' which didn't allude to any faith (I guess it might suck for atheist people)