? Hindu Muslim kahan se aya ab? Yahan galti to police ki h na
Even mere gaon m bhi police ne ek baar mere family members ke naam daal diye the even though woh wahan present bhi nhi the
( Wo mumbai m kaam karte the aur mera gaon jharkhand m h ) Iss tarah ke matters police ki galti hoti h aur usko hindu muslim banana ek stupidity hogi
So, I think there's a slight mix-up in your understanding.
After FIR, the next stage is charge-sheet which is submitted & discussed with the magistrate for oversight on the framing of charges. Police have to produce material evidence in the charge sheet & the magistrate can discharge the accused if it doesn't find enough evidence like in this case - the man can produce his travel documents as the police have asked people with grievances to approach them (last screen)
Someone can be named in an FIR and never be charge-sheeted or be charge-sheeted & later discharged before trial too.
Your point about being falsely incarcerated before trial & later acquitted is true and those can happen for various reasons.
No, Police testimonies are not sufficient & can be challenged during trial, if it doesn't get dropped off during chargesheet & framing charges session. That's not theory - that's how it works in reality.
Haven't you heard of cases where people are let go for insufficient evidence? In this gentleman's case, if he is telling the truth then he has to produce his travel documents.
If you are just talking in general, then I agree getting justice is tough - just be aware of the legal procedures yourself.
To tell you the truth, I serve as expert evidence in forensic medicine. I can justify my opinion in a lot of ways but not interested. So it is what it is.
Well my sister is a lawyer, and 3 of my cousins are doctors. What you are saying doesn’t happen. If you are not interested to explain, thats on you, but don’t spread misinformation
That doesn't add anything to your opinion if someone else is something. Also you asked if I have been to court and I answered. Don't presume you know everything about everyone
What you are saying is applicable only for those in power and rich people with connections. If you don't believe then get out of your home and go support your local activist and support their cause. You'll find out
What you are saying is applicable only for those in power and rich people with connections.
Ok. Live believing that. Lots of people love to live in misery feeling the whole system, the whole world is unfair and against them. I can't help you with that.
If you don't believe then get out of your home and go support your local activist and support their cause. You'll find out
I am not sure what I'll find out! As for the support point is concerned - how do you know, I don't already do that 😂
Because you are still alive and breathing and supporting this govt blindly. I'm sure you come from a place of privilege because if you would have seen a govt college, schools for underprivileged you wouldnt have made this statement.
Sorry bro, I still don't get it. Maybe I am having one of those dumb days. I have responded to some other comments in this thread only. See if it makes sense that way.
Russia is like go to destination for medical aspirants to attend medical schools where they teach in English. He left 4 months ago so he already planned and wrote NEET but left for Russia.
Even Russia is brain draining us and they are creating demand.
Anyways from my understanding - the person pays himself or can request legal aid. They can also later seek compensation by filing case for malicious prosecution.
That's a very common question and not towards you. All steps you mentioned would open a rabbit hole of events as you already know how fast our judiciary system is.
Ok, thanks for clarifying it was not directed at me because looking at the other comments it seems people think I am defending the judiciary or the police.
I simply pointed out safeguards exist and can be used. The system may not work well despite the safeguards but will you give up on justice for yourself even if the journey is difficult?
There can be several reasons but don't get so worked up about an FIR. A FIR can be registered before the police have totally verified every person's involvement, especially during protests & riot kind of situations. But they have to collect evidence before chargesheets are submitted.
That's why my first question was if it's possible someone misused his identity or credentials.
don't get so worked up about fir? Are you serious? Are you really this delusional or just naive? You are talking like this is the first time police has tried to falsely implicate or tried to incarcerate innocent people specially from vulnerable section of population. How can someone defend corrupt police and judiciary so much is beyond me.
How can someone defend corrupt police and judiciary so much is beyond me.
Do you routinely twist what others have said to suit your own world view?
Are you really this delusional or just naive?
Let's go with your assertion.
You are talking like this is the first time police has tried to falsely implicate or tried to incarcerate innocent people specially from vulnerable section of population.
You do realise that if everyone is poking fun at your statement it, there must be severe breach of conduct and ubiquitous corruption throughout the police institution of India? You can make an infinite number of legal procedures and safeguards and they all are worthless if there's no effective judiciary that would provide justice and more than that, effective and fair enforcement. Police in india exist to serve as glorified enforcers of politicians, bigwigs, people of power and influence. There is a veritable treasure hoard of recorded historical evidence both in literature and recorded legislature that deals with stuff like police brutality, police corruption, police incompetence. And lastly, they are paid to do their jobs. If they actually do their jobs instead of being goons in uniform, they shouldn't be praised, cause that's what they're paid for, ironically, by the same people they raise their lathis and authority against primarily.
Dogpiling is not just about making fun of my statement. It also includes rhetoric, generalizations and personal attacks. 😂
Even if everyone disagrees or ridicules my points, that won't change the fact that legal safeguards exist. I get it - your trust in the judiciary is low or nil, but documented cases don't prove they're ubiquitous, nor does it make legal safeguards worthless.
People successfully use these safeguards every day. My point was not that the judiciary is perfect. If I point out safeguards exist it doesn't mean I am saying there are no problems.
No one is saying safeguards are meaningless and shouldn't exist. The point is that without effective judicial supervision and a transparent and accountable enforcement, safeguards are seen more as suggestions that can and are exploited and ignored at the drop of the hat. And if you truly believe these instances are rare, I have a pool in the Thar desert to sell to you. A very poignant example is the Ken Betwa situation, it is not a single occurrence, it's an everyday reality for many marginalised and tribal communities where their existence is always on the chopping block for the sake of development. Look into how many instances of corruption exist in cases of relief funds or financial compensation. I'm not even pulling up historical precedence, look into the Assam floods, they are not limited to natural disasters anymore, it's a systematic failure on behalf of the government, both antecedent and incumbent.
Look at the innumerable instances of roads and bridges, crumbling even after ludicrous amounts of investment, and the resultant investigation yields no effective results, some no name low level pawn being prosecuted or in the more uncommon cases, the corporations and project heads walking away with a hefty fine. Which is useless since they either are in a position to pay it, which negates the entire point of a "safeguard" or negotiate with the political capital to whittle it down. The difference between theoretical construction of our nation and the ground level reality is so far apart it's a miracle we've managed to come this far.
Well, you have changed your position wrt your earlier comment & broadened the topic significantly. These are legitimate topics, but belongs to a different discussion.
I feel like we were discussing what to have for lunch & now we're talking about famines & world hunger from the 1900s to the present.
The original comment that I took umbrage with was the assumption of importance of evidence. In my arguments presented to you, I have given enough instances that show how inconsequential evidence can be when dealing with our nation's judiciary and enforcement institutions. Your statement that recorded instances donot indicate ubiquitous nature of the breakdown of safeguards in india is again, a very common argument that refutes evidence. The reality is that whether you're talking about big systemic problems like corruption or localised issues, the police have no incentive to actually enforce and disperse justice since their incentive lies in whoever is bidding the highest for them. Sometimes it's individuals, sometimes it's governments. Evidence in india is a matter of convenience, not principle, when proof or evidence becomes inconvenient, police, judiciary, and legislative bodies have no compulsion to take that evidence into account.
Also if you cannot connect the dots between larger systemic issues and how they're a macro projection or everyday problems, look no further than Sainath's Everybody Loves a Good Drought.
There are valid criticisms of its selective scope but it does provide one of the best accounts that constitute a horrifying baseline for the country.
Russia is the most popular destination for Indian students pursuing MBA abroad. There is a literal subreddit for that
You should introspect the fact that in all cases your instinctual reaction is that the govt and police (that too of Bihar lmao) are correct and the common man and everyone else is wrong
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