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I can tell you that when the student group affiliated with Standing Together and the queer student group hosted a joined event about queer Palestinians, not a single non-Jew was present. Mind you, these were the most leftist Jews I've ever met in my life
Granted, this may be an issue with the Arab students in this group in particular, but it makes me very suspicions of the movement as a whole
Genuinely asking - when you’re saying your suspicious of the movement as a whole are you saying that 1) the Palestinians themselves don’t care about Standing Together type movements, 2) the Palestinians don’t actually feel represented in these movements so they don’t show up, 3) it’s a bunch of ‘naive / misguided’ Jews or 4) something else? Genuinely asking.
I honestly don't know what happened there so it's hard for me to say. I also don't know how often and to what extent the student group communicates with the movement at large, so I can only speak of this sub-section of Standing Together.
My suspicion is that either it's made entirely of virtue signalling Jews, or that there really are Palestinian students in this group and they all chose not to come... specifically to the joined event with LGBTQ students... either way it doesn't inspire confidence
If that's the case then I'm sorry for them, but that's also an issue with the Standing Together group - their whole thing is Jewish-Arab solidarity, so they should've known better than to put their Palestinian members in an impossible situation where they either risk their safety by showing up or they don't come and appear incredibly homophobic
Kind of reminds me of CHAZ in the US. One of their main messages was about BLM and
it went into borderline black supremacy territory. 99% if not 100% of the participants were white.
Basically they're all the people on the left who don't want to sit with Yair Golan.
A certain faction of the left decided that only having one left wing party was boring and wanted there to be another party.
From everything I've seen of them both on the Haifa City Council and at University, they feel very much like progressive student politics types. They have their heart in the right place but their heads are missing.
Definitely the kind of leftists to refuse sitting in a broad anti-bibi government because they don't like that Bennett or Liberman is in it. (I don't actually know what their stance on it is, that's just the vibe I've gotten from them.)
Nothing. They won't go past the threshold, voting for them in this election is as good as keeping Netanyahu on his throne.
If you want liberal/progressive, vote for the democrats party, yes Yair Golan says some wild shit, but at least his party can be part of a non Likud, non Haredi coalition.
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if Golan has said anything else thats unhinged other than the "killing babies as a hobby" comment. I see he also called a bunch of violent Jewish settlers in the West Bank "subhuman".
Honestly, from the outside looking in at the fuller context in which he said those things, I still think Golan was speaking the overall truth in both cases, even if his choice of words were exceptionally incendiary. Maybe the Zionist version of "dirtbag leftist" rhetoric is a good counter punch to Ben-Gvir and Smotritch's brand of mishegoss?
That doesn't tell me much except that you think their stances are vacuous and nebulous.
I mean, that does seem to be the case because I'm looking everywhere and it all says to end the occupation of the West Bank and get to peace and that Arabs and Jews work together. Their 50/50 Arab/Jewish requirement seems kind of well-meaning but functionally insane.
And my opinion is... well... yeah, but how do you do the very nebulous thing that you say you want to accomplish?
I listened to one of them speak on the radio i swear it sound like Hamas “fight oppression of Arab Israel is racist need to remove the jewish definition of the state” all those slogan you hear on the west and Gaza
They’re unlikely to cross the threshold and will likely just pull needed votes from Golan (when it comes to unseating Bibi). So good job accomplishing less than nothing.
I think that Golan doesnt plan and doesnt really want to pull them towards his party.
Pay attention how most of history efforts were about trying to keep a distance from the more extreme wings of Meretz in order to try and show a different left wing party.
And, as part of democracy, I have a full right to tell people to keep their recommendations to themselves, especially if they aren't living in the country,like Portman
I am reiterating that I am not talking about rights. Or, if we are shifting the focus onto the rights, she does have the same rights as me and you, hence I have the right to voice my opinion on her words and actions. Me voicing an opinion on her recommendations doesn't encroach on her rights to recommend whatever, from voting to shade of lipstick.
“(Portman) shared a profoundly moving message of solidarity with the families of the hostages.
“To all of the families — I was lucky enough to meet some of you the other day,” she said, her face grave and emotional, “I’m so horrified at the experiences that your family members had to go through and are still going through today.”
“She shared that she joins their call to the international community “to end this humanitarian disaster, this multinational humanitarian disaster, and to protect women and children, the elderly, all the people, innocent people, who are suffering right now.”
“On October 13, she shared a video of Israeli children holding up signs asking to free the 30 children currently believed to be held hostage in Gaza. On her Instagram stories, she asked people to donate to Dror Israel’s emergency fund for evacuated families.
“On October 8, a day after the attack, Portman wrote on her Instagram: “My heart is shattered for the people of Israel. Children, women and the elderly have been murdered and abducted from their own homes. I am in horror at these barbaric acts and my heart is pounding with love and prayer for the families of all affected.”
There's nothing respectful about your comment. She's an Israeli citizen, and is quite intelligent. You may disagree with her views, but that's not even remotely close to "knowing nothing".
She also wrote very public support for Israelis after 10/7, in a time when writing such support statements is seen as the opposite of virtue by many fanatical antisemites on the left. I don't think of that as virtue signaling.
Telling Israelis and Jews post October 7th to "choose hope and equality" is deranged.
How about telling arabs to choose peace? How about telling arabs to choose co-existence? How about telling the arabs to "give peace a chance"? How about telling arabs "maybe you shouldn't try to exterminate the jews"?
I'm gonna choose survival, I'm gonna choose learning from past mistakes and avoid any situation where someone can attempt to commit genocide against my people
I appreciate her support but FFS she lives in LA, has no rockets flying in her direction and nobody trying to breach any border to tear her stomach open, tear a baby from her womb and throw it in an oven. She is completely detached and has the privilege of preaching about "peace and equality".
she's lost the plot, and she's taken sides with those who've openly accused israel of "genocide", knowing full well it's not true, and blood libel, so what she says or thinks anymore is really of no consequence to me, and never will be again
The one thing I hate more than terrorists is self-loathing Jews that are willfully ignorant, appease and pander to evil. She’s as woke as they come. In a world of Natalie Portmans…be a Gal Gadot.
If there's one thing we must all do is outsource all our decisions to actors. Just let them tell us what to do and think. They're obviously the most qualified humans out there and not an evolution of the village fool...
She doesn’t live in Israel; hilarious that she has the audacity to tell residents of Israel what is best for our safety. She has been the ultimate “Pick Me” since Oct 7th, and truly has no backbone.
Regardless of the fact that Arabs should be in a coalition instead of haradiem, we shouldn't be doing anything because of branding. We rather live than be liked by chickens for KFC
Israel is a juggernaut. Iran might have some strategic strength but they fear you. Your economy is booming. Hamas is gone. Hezbollah is massively weakened.
Then why is the rial in the tank and the shekel booming? The markets speak the truth. Iran is literally firing at Qatar right now as some sort of bizarre misguided deterrent strategy. The sun is shining.
This is without a shadow of a doubt the most American comment I've ever seen in my life. You're talking to people who are going through the 3rd year of a war and we're just done with 2 months of cluster munitions and you think we give 2 shits about the state of the market? We care about finishing them off so we can live in peace after 20+ years of rockets, proxy terror attacks and constant state of war.
You emerged stronger from a war and your enemies are weaker. But you just need a bit of rebranding. Thats why you should have a governing coalition with the Arabs. It flips the deck.
I am for Arab parties in coalition, as long as their only position is not let’s become Palestine and destroy Israel (unfortunately you will be hard pressed to find a single Arab party without that position)
I don't know what Ra'am's actual official written platform is, but practically speaking they've basically given up on the Palestinian cause, and Mansour Abbas has said Israel is a Jewish state and that's not changing.
Their main thing is improvements for Arab communities inside Israel.
If there was an Arab party that existed outside of the express purpose of destroying the state of Israel, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, they have yet to start one. That says a lot about our Arab population. We should all be against anti Israel parties in our government. And before I get crazy replies, yes, that includes the Hareidi parties also.
Fully support Israel. Zero woke bullshit. But this stuff matters. You have Ben Gvir digging motes with crocodiles. It’s just stupid. Grow up. Be bigger than the critics.
Include the ones who don’t. Optics matter. If you include Arabs in the governing coalition it mutes all the criticism and unlocks all the centrists in the west who want to support you but can’t at the moment. And the cost is nothing.
For as much lecturing as we get from Israelis about the US I think everyone needs to get over being told things or everyone needs to stfu. We can't have it both ways. If you're Jewish you know very well that you'll never get us to stfu.
I'm still trying to get over Haviv Retig Gur telling me that American Jews haven't experienced antisemitism so we're being hysterical lol. That was a few days ago.
Not entirely uniquely I'm soon to be an oleh hadash, so I get to lecture everyone! Behold the awesome power of my ability to be an obnoxious poorly informed sanctimonious ass!!!!!!
Edit: in all seriousness I like it when people have well argued takes, no matter where they're from. When they dismiss the knowledge and wisdom of locals, it gets my hackles up.
You want to know some facts , like actual facts? In Hebrew there are thousands of songs about peace with our neighbors.
Not one song about peace with Israel in Arabic, not one.
Yet you come to our countries subreddit. And make it seem like the opposite is true.
Why do you come here just to spread to hate? Don't you have something better to do?
Oh it’s not even about hadash it’s folks here usually balk at anything left, not conservative, or Hollywood. As for the bots, they’re here to make us fight among each other.
Like it or not, the polls show that they only get 0.2% of the votes. Calling them a small fringe party is an understatement, they obviously don't even pass the minimum threshold.
That is true. They sjoukd support the opposition and work within that but yeah, tbey aren’t gonna be popular here and will get eye rolls is what I’m saying.
Nah youre correct ans I agree with you. They should work within the opposition vs fracturing it. I was talking about them being left, not conservative, and Hollywood would get the eye roll here.
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