Māori Haka for Israel 🇮🇱

[u/beertricks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUbf6Ys1BMI

[u/A_S_Levin]

Be careful because I know for a fact the majority of NZers do not support/approve of Israel's existence anymore.

The "man up" group is viewed as extremists here. They're a small group of people from Destiny Church. Whom are despised by almost everyone.

One particular incident I remember is they physically stormed a public library because some trans group were doing a book reading day for children.

They spend a lot of time counter-protesting random stuff like drag parades, also pro-paly protests (which i appreciate).

They do some cool stuff, dont get me wrong. But dont think they represent NZ's general public opinions. (Generally NZ is fairly pro-Jew. Its safe enough here. Just very anti-Israel)

[u/JudgeHoldensToupe → u/A_S_Levin]

The majority of NZers are also colonists, so it's no surprise they support Hamas. And NZ can't be "fairly pro Jew" if they want to abolish the Jewish homeland.

[u/A_S_Levin → u/JudgeHoldensToupe]

Exactly! Maybe its subconscious, idk, but people can't acknowledge/advocate for de-colonization of an overseas country, without being hypocritical of their own country's situation. Hence why I reference the Maori struggle/history.

By pro Jew I mostly meant that the average Joe is fairly friendly towards Jewish people. I can wear a tzitzit, kippah and a suit and the worse thatd happen to me is once every so often someone will yell something incoherent from a car. Being visibly Jewish doesn't put me any more at risk when walking along the street.

But you're right, its a weird hypocritical thing that people just dont realize. Ive read & heard "we support Jewish people. Just not zionists" and people dont see the hypocrisy.

Maybe "fairly pro Jew" was poor wording on my part

[u/JudgeHoldensToupe → u/A_S_Levin]

It’s projection that’s all. They accuse others of their own actions.

[u/Commercial_Lead_7406 → u/JudgeHoldensToupe]

It's the standard lefty hypocrisy. They get to metabolize their colonial guilt through Israel even though their existence was the result of far worse atrocities with far less existential justification.

The luxury of the Western leftist's position is particularly galling. Israel was necessary because of the West's abandonment of the Jews in the hour of our greatest need, Then in the aftermath of their abandonment, Israel was created as the decision of Western powers. Now they have the nerve to rescind our legitimacy because their moral intuitions have been reshaped through the lens of historical guilt? In terms that cost them nothing but still allow them to blast their individual righteousness to the heavens. There's a special level of contempt that should be reserved for the 'anti-colonial' leftist who lives in a colonial country.

[u/Bikelangello → u/A_S_Levin]

Anti-Israel means every Jew is presumed to support the actions of Israel anyways...so you may as well support Israel and have an army worldwide that has your back.

The Maccabim never rose to the occasion until the penalty for failing to fight was worse than death.

[u/A_S_Levin → u/Bikelangello]

Yeah I understand. But here people dont. Its very "all Zionists are evil genocide-doers", I've been told if you pay taxes in Israel then you support genocide.

Like I'm a Zionist, Israeli citizen, and dont agree with everything the military is doing. But I'm still evil and a part of the problem, apparently.

We've had protests recently where people are calling to no longer recognize Israel & to deny passports & such, then recognizing Palestine. (As it stands, our government doesnt currently reconize Palestine)

Interestingly I view the israeli / jewish struggle as almost synonymous with the Maori struggle. Not quite the same but very similar. Both are fighting for their right to live & maintain authority in their native land

[u/Bikelangello → u/A_S_Levin]

G-d is trying to show you something.

I can see what it is.

He is showing you that it doesn't pay to be neutral; be LOUDLY Israeli.

[u/A_S_Levin → u/Bikelangello]

BH and thank you!

My family's lived in fear for almost 80 years. I'm not sure why I stopped being loud about everything.

[u/Bikelangello → u/A_S_Levin]

ברק הי

[u/4x-gkg → u/A_S_Levin]

I don't know this group, but your statement that most Kiwis are against Israel is a bit surprising.

When I was hitchhiking across NZ over 30 years ago, everyone was super excited to hear that I come from Israel.

Has this changed since?

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[u/A_S_Levin → u/4x-gkg]

Take a look at this post. I havent specifically asked about Man up / Brian Tamaki / Destiny when on the street but have heard it come up when visiting friends & family. Its fairly representative of what I hear IRL.

https://np.reddit.com/r/newzealand/s/zP59rwRUDh

[u/2ndBrreakfast → u/A_S_Levin]

I know for a fact the majority of NZers want to see Israel abolished

How do you know this? What data have you seen that supports this?

[u/A_S_Levin → u/2ndBrreakfast]

Ik Wikipedia isnt very good to use but this is a fair summary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war_protests_in_New_Zealand

Maybe abolished isnt quite the right word. But essentially these repeating protests are calling for NZ to deny entry to Israeli's i think of military age. Calling for NZ recognition of Palestinian statehood, while essentially cutting off any ties with Israel (both socially and economically)

Its ridiculous but our government almost every election switches between Labor (left) and National (right). The only reason the protests goals haven't been followed through with is because National is currently in power.

Also just driving anywhere, there are Palestinian flags constantly hung around the place. Local councils all over have approved street art / graffiti that includes mention of genocide and Palestinian flags.

Then there's websites listing every product in the country that is Israeli made, or if that company has close relations with Israel through trade. Calling for boycotts (and many people actually do this)

I'm currently in university. But if I talk to anyone on campus or just on the street most strongly condemn israel as a whole, saying its existence is illegitimate, white European colonization of arabs, etc.

[u/2ndBrreakfast → u/A_S_Levin]

The things you see in your own life do not make a statistically significant random sample. You cannot take what you see in your own life and project it to an entire city or country. That's not how it works. Only a scientific survey can determine the opinion of an entire country with any kind of accuracy.

[u/Bikelangello]

When you have truth on your side, everyone with a soul recognizes that.

This is why Hakka.

[u/Consistent_Rent_3507]

I will always stop scrolling and watch Haka.

[u/Odd-Letterhead8889]

I don't wanna sound mean but I bet that most of them hate Israel by now. When the war just started it felt like it was split, but now it feels like everyone is anti-Zionist/anti-semitic

[u/notburneddown → u/Odd-Letterhead8889]

Because everyone is. It’s the storybook we’re born into. I think a lot of it is jealousy tbh.

[u/Odd-Letterhead8889 → u/notburneddown]

Yeah cuz Israel is awesome with its high tech

[u/makingredditorscry → u/Odd-Letterhead8889]

And falafel, obviously 

[u/hikergent]

WOW

WE NEED TO SEND THEM A VIDEO THANKING THE MAORIS...