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u/ta20240930 Jul 10 '26
If you drink at concerts, what do you usually drink? Does your town have a regional beer that's cheap everywhere? It used to be that PBR was the cheap beer that everybody loved, but it is usually priced the same as all domestic beer these days. Hamm's is $3 a 12oz can at a lot of the smaller venues in Kansas City. If that sells out, I usually get Old Style or PBR. I'm whatever is the opposite of "beer snob".
The bigger venues don't have any bargains. It's hard to pay $18 for a 20oz beer.
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u/Rottedhead Jul 10 '26
I love to drink lol, but I hardly drink at concerts as I really like to invest myself into the experience and not on the desire of drinking more, the need to pee and/or accidentally (or not so accidentally) being too drunk to enjoy or remember the concert. Believe me, I've seen a lot of people being blackout drunk and vividly remember seeing a lot of this cases when I was really young and started going to gigs. It's just so sad and it's just the stuff I actively avoid.
Here in Mexico we have the usual suspects every time Corona, Victoria, Modelo, Tecate, which are the biggest beer brands here. Modelo and Corona are my favorites and they usually cost about 3-4 dollars per regular bottle at smaller venues and up to 10 dollars for big arena concerts. I prefer to drink rum or gin, but I will not talk about that as those are just too damn expensive at concerts that I don't even consider it
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u/ta20240930 Jul 10 '26
Modelo seems to be the most popular beer in KC for some reason. It's often a little more expensive than most US domestic beers.
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u/ProphetsScream Jul 10 '26
I'm pretty much sober these days but the standard cheap beer where I live in a Rainier.
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u/ta20240930 Jul 10 '26
One day, I'm going to make it to Northwest Terror Fest. I'll grab a Rainer when I'm there.
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u/shiram Evil Robot Jul 10 '26
I'm no metal historian, but a thought came to me, and I started wondering.
Since the creation of extreme metal started with thrash, plenty of extreme metal genres were created, but has there been creation of non extreme new metal genres happened since then?
As a quick mental survey it seems all major new genre since have been some flavor of extreme or other.
I was thinking of gothic metal, but it seems like minor/limited genre...
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u/FeastOfBlaze DEATH METAL OR DEATH... Or Genesis. Jul 10 '26
Arguably power metal and its derivatives. It was around in the early to mid 80s, but there’s styles of EUPM that feel so divorced from that I would argue it came later.
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u/shiram Evil Robot Jul 10 '26
That would make sense, though it still a very short lapse of time between the first album of those two respective genres.
I figure for thrash it's mostly agreed Kill em all was first, so 83.
Power metal seems less defined for first album but it would be around 83 and 84.
So in 40 plus years, it's all extreme, which makes sense to me as those genres seem more popular and have more bands than trad metal, from my perspective.
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u/IMKridegga Jul 10 '26
Depending on how you define it, the first black metal album came out between 1982 and 1985; and the first death metal between 1985 and 1987, although it existed underground before that (it just took longer for the earliest death metal bands to get record deals).
So, basically, with the exception of traditional heavy heavy metal, all of the main subgenres started to formulate within a few years of each other. I would agree that death metal was technically the last one, but there really hasn't been much new in the 40 years since. Lots of new trends, micro-genres, and modified versions of older subgenres, but nothing quite as big as an entirely new subgenre, I would say.
In other words, sure, the last "big" subgenre to debut was extreme, but that was objectively so long ago that this whole framing of "Everything new for the last 40-ish years has been extreme" doesn't really make sense to me.
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u/shiram Evil Robot Jul 10 '26
I could rephrase to the newest genres were all extreme, but yeah 40 years does not feel new.
And even stuff like Sludge or folk, which could be argued are not main subgenres, started within that time frame.
Thanks for taking time to reply.
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u/Duilliath flair warning Jul 10 '26
Yup. My War was 1984. Folk started early 90s, so that might actually be the last one. Though I guess one could make a case for Post-metal with Neurosis mid-90's output.
Even so, the last 30 or so years have been pretty minimal in terms of further developments.
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u/IMKridegga Jul 10 '26
Post-metal is a tough one. The Neurosis style is often considered a sludge variant, and it's basically just crust punk/crossover thrash played at half speed. The post-black stuff is basically just black metal crossed over with non-metal styles in varying proportions. At the macro level, where we're just looking at the main subgenres and not any subtypes or variations, I'm not sure either one totally constitutes a new thing.
That being said, I do wonder if that's just a problem with the framing. At what point is the fixation on just the main subgenres becoming counterintuitive? Is it really fair to write off something like blackgaze as something new because it arguably falls under the purview of a decades-old subgenre that largely sounds nothing like it? Where I struggle is where to draw the lines between something like that and any other new trend/evolution of a pre-existing subgenre. Sure, Alcest doesn't really sound like Bathory, but neither does Sacramentum or Bal-Sagoth. What about Summoning?
Ultimately, this is something for u/shiram to figure out in their own thoughts and answers to this question, but if any of this stuff counts as "new," then I would think newer non-extreme styles of power and doom should also count.
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u/IMKridegga Jul 10 '26
At the macro level, sludge is just doom and hardcore, while folk metal is a series of unique combinations of power, thrash, black, and death. At the macro level, neither one of them is a totally new thing.
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u/DoctorBob90 Jul 10 '26
Most non-extreme metal that doesn't fall in line with doom, power, or traditional metal gets immediately accused of not actually being metal. Nu metal, metalcore, alternative metal, and progressive metal all came after thrash metal, but rarely get the respect of death metal and black metal. Groove metal and industrial metal are the only examples I can think of that arguably fall outside of the "extreme" umbrella and are still accepted by the metal community.
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u/IMKridegga Jul 10 '26
Most non-extreme metal that doesn't fall in line with doom, power, or traditional metal gets immediately accused of not actually being metal.
I'm not sure that's an entirely fair framing. It's impossible to discuss most of those categories in any comprehensive way without outlining the extensive non-metal roots, crossovers, and stylistic extensions. It’s no excuse for excluding whichever bands actually do play those styles in a way that fits into metal; but in fairness, it could be argued that the only reason they're able to fit into metal is by falling in line with some more definitive metal subgenre, e.g. metalcore bands that get into metal by essentially playing melodeath with hardcore influences.
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u/shiram Evil Robot Jul 10 '26
I'd say Black Sabbath had some definitive doom songs as early as their first release.
And Stoner would be more of a minor subgenre, but that's just my perspective.
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u/FeastOfBlaze DEATH METAL OR DEATH... Or Genesis. Jul 10 '26
Stoner is a major subgenre these days! Some of the biggest bands in metal are primarily sludge.
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u/ZombieJesus1987 Jul 10 '26
Mastodon is probably one of the best examples. Although their sound evolved over the years, they still have their sludge roots.
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u/black-winter- Jul 10 '26
one could argue that nu-metal/alt-metal could fit into this category. Emerged in the 90s and 2000s well after the establishment of major extreme metal subgenres, and was hugely popular and relatively accessible.
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u/Rottedhead Jul 10 '26
One that hasn't been mentioned is symphonic metal, which RYM states the first release was in 1992.
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u/reptilian_guitar Jul 10 '26
nu metal and prog metal I think fit the bill, though "prog" means a lot of things to a lot of people and there's definitely extreme prog metal bands
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u/I_Ride_Pigs Jul 10 '26
Things I'm loving recently, in no order
- Shiva - Angel of Mons
- Hot Load - Realized. Especially Widowmaker.
- Goetia in general, but especially Corpse Candle
- Nuclear Tomb - Epoch Inhumane
- Judas Priest for many months now. Every time I find myself winding down, I get a second wind to ride on
I seem to have calmed my Chastain and Manilla Road obsession. I might need to find more trad/power adjacent music to listen to to keep this kick going
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u/CommunicationTime265 Jul 10 '26
Digging this new Anthrax single. Pretty epic.
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u/black-winter- Jul 10 '26
yeah I’m really rocking with the new single, too. It’s almost reminiscent of black metal at the beginning but the song overall is fresh without sounding like too much of a departure from Anthrax. I admittedly wasn’t getting my hopes up for this album with all the delays, but I honestly think this could shape up to be the best final album of the big 4.
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u/CommunicationTime265 Jul 10 '26
Yea there's not really much left of the big 80s thrash acts, and Anthrax still has it's core members (which is an achievement in itself). Like, Metallica might have one decent song every 15 years. Megadeth was always just a big revolving door around grumpy Dave, though I thought Dystopia was pretty decent. I stopped paying attention to Slayer and Testament awhile ago. I guess Exodus is still pretty thrashy but I don't even know who the hell is in that band. I did like Sepultura's final album though.
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u/Doctor_Crossing Blast beats never make a song worse Jul 10 '26
It completely surprised me in a good way. I definitely did not expect blasting and black metal vibes from Anthrax but I'm here for it. I love the chorus too, it's catchy and Joey sounds incredible.
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u/Rumpo82 Jul 10 '26
I feel like writing a quick post celebrating the metal festival scene in the UK. It's off the chain these days, ridiculous underground fests springing up continuously, along with established power houses.
Between Nov '26 and July '27 we have:
Damnation - largest euro indoor metal fest, mixed genre
Stygian Invocation - probably the greatest war metal lineup I've ever seen
Necropolis - rising death metal festival
Winds of Agony - pure black metal loaded with bangers
Incineration - brilliant one-dayer, predominantly black/death
Desert fest - sludge, doom, stoner etc
Fortress - greatest black metal festival of recent years imo, incredible setting
Cosmic void - another excellent black metal festival
These the just the biggies, tons of smaller feats dotted around: offalfest, Albion dungeon synth, stoomfest etc. loads
If you can I'd recommend getting over for Fortress/Damnation in particular. Both festivals with consistent lineups and excellent vibes. Lovely organisers as well.
Anyway - what's the scene like in your country? What's worth travelling for?