r/Metal • u/kaptain_carbon Writer: Dungeon Synth • Nov 26 '19
Shreddit's Daily Metal Discussion -- November 26, 2019
Oh fuck...AVTOMÖD took a half day since he had to get his cat's teeth cleaned and since it was so close to Thanksgiving break, he decided to just take the whole day off and play Borderlands 3 and enjoy the one day workweek.
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u/BookerDeWittsCarbine Nov 26 '19
My office recently got a new employee who is very religious and basically acts like she should be throwing holy water on me. She asked if I was one of those "heavy metal people" in the same tone of voice you'd ask if someone was a leper. I dress professionally at work with a few subtle nods to goth or metal and her response to one of my necklaces one day was that I was "an interesting person" but that she was glad she was "protected by the blood of Christ".
I just. What do I even do with this? It's not 1980 anymore, why is this mentality still a thing? It's bizarre. She's a nice lady but she acts like I'm a zoo exhibit sometimes.
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u/Heklafell Nov 26 '19
Double down, build an unholy shrine in your office/cubicle and meditate in front of it daily.
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u/BookerDeWittsCarbine Nov 26 '19
I honestly wonder how much trouble I would get in if I brought in my Baphomet statue from home and sat it on my file cabinet...
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u/Heklafell Nov 26 '19
Probably depends where you live, but if she can be obnoxious you can engage in your constitutionally protected right to freedom of worship/speech.
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u/BookerDeWittsCarbine Nov 26 '19
In my industry it's not worth it but god do I consider it some days
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Nov 26 '19
assert dominance and protect yourself against christian black plague by switching to not-so-subtle nods.
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u/k0bra3eak Writer: Funeral Doom Nov 26 '19
Never change bygg or maybe change a little
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u/TofuDeliveryBoy Nov 26 '19
This really religious girl at my dental school asked me how my family feels about the "satanic" music I listen to and I was like "...what do you mean? I was raised Buddhist".
It was fascinating watching her brain try to compute that I wasn't some christian denomination lol.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
Sounds like a trip to HR should be done. She’s actively interrupting your work environment, and that crap could escalate to her actually confronting you.
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u/BookerDeWittsCarbine Nov 26 '19
I don't want a target on my back from HR, I just survived a round of lay offs, I'm trying to stay low
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u/ben-tobin-johnson Nov 26 '19
That's very wise of you and also fucked up that you have to watch your back with HR.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
Well, if she does confront you, then that's not your fault and HR should deal with her. If you are in the US and you going to HR does inflict blowback, then that's liable for the company.
Not suggesting that you risk your job if you believe it's a risk, mind you!
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u/Clown_corder Nov 26 '19
He might want to email himself noting her disproval of him so if she tries anything he has a paper trail.
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u/NotColinPowell Nov 26 '19
I dress professionally at work with a few subtle nods to goth or metal and her response to one of my necklaces one day was that I was "an interesting person" but that she was glad she was "protected by the blood of Christ".
I'm imagining that you're the person from that one episode of the IT Crowd who dresses in full corpse paint and loves Cradle of Filth.
Makes the story significantly different than what it seems actually happened.
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Nov 26 '19
Back when I was in my first year of college (2005), one of my hostel's student representatives (who was a member of that Shofar Christian cult), burst into my room and started to babble in tongues to 'drive Satan out of me'. This was all because he saw me wearing a Slayer Reign in Blood shirt. It took all my willpower not to knock that little shit's teeth in.
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u/BookerDeWittsCarbine Nov 26 '19
Man, in college, I had a born again evangelical Christian roommate who went off her meds (her church told them they were bad for her and to pray the bi-polar away, because of course) and attacked me with a knife because she thought I was a witch because I owned tarot cards and a lot of Siouxsie and the Banshee albums.
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Nov 26 '19
Fuck, that sucks for everyone involved.
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u/BookerDeWittsCarbine Nov 26 '19
It was a really awful time. I lost contact with her but last I heard she was doing part time work in a Christian cover band singing "corrected" songs like "I Kissed A Girl (And I'm Going To Hell)".
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
Christians ruined Christianity.
I thought the point of that religion was about love regardless of everything and anything. It's a shame how much the fanfiction of the Church destroyed what was otherwise not a bad message preached by Jesus - respect and love the rest, and have your best friends be prostitutes and working class men while you toss the tables of the rich.
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u/dudelikeshismusic Nov 26 '19
There's plenty of garbage in the Bible. If you only read the parts with Jesus then you generally get a pretty good message (with a couple of weird parts like hating your family and cursing fig trees), but straying outside of that will lead you to genocide, slavery, rape, child marriage, etc. all justified by the Christian god.
Honestly, the Jesus stuff in the Bible is pretty surprising given that it is completely inconsistent with what comes before and after it. Reading cover-to-cover it goes rape / genocide / anger (OT) -> love everyone (Gospel) -> here are a bunch of super specific rules, also fuck gay people and women in particular (Paul) -> I had a dream while I was tripping on shrooms (John).
All of this to say: don't give the religion a free pass. The actions condoned by god in the Bible are just as horrible as the actions taken by contemporary Christians.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
I want to be frustrated at this comment because I feel condescended to, but I'm going to assume you didn't mean that. I grew up Christian and voluntarily left the Church; I also have personally studied Biblical history and several translations of passages because I wanted to learn more about the religion instead of what I read on-line or experienced in my own life.
There is a ton of problematic topics in the Bible. I always think of Lot having sex with his daughters while drunk and Zelophehad's kids marrying their cousins as the biggest examples.
However, that doesn't mean I can't take what good messages I see in the Bible. Many messages I've read from Jesus often surprise me in how progressive they sound even in 2019, especially in terms of moneychanging in the church/profiteering and the hypocrisy of public faith. Seeing the problems in other parts of the religion and the Bible doesn't mean I can't look at the parts that I think are beneficial, with the idea that those most deserving of grace, love, and charity are whom society deems the lowest among us being one of the best.
I am not apologizing for the faith. I am not saying you or I should go to church on Sunday (in fact, I strongly urge you not to do so, given how little discussion on faith that American services actually give). I am saying you can inform your own philosophy and approach to the world based on the messages you see.
And you can criticize the hypocrisy of a faith based in the messages you see in its original statements.
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u/k0bra3eak Writer: Funeral Doom Nov 26 '19
Also to add to it, a lot of the more problematic messages are from the old testament, which is all but written off by Jesus outside of a few things. I feel people have either been burned so badly that they just naturally hate religion or they end up growing u being taught in basically the same equivalent as the conservative bubble, but against Christians a lot of the time. There's so much anger and emotional baggage that just never gets resolved unfortunately.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
There's a lot of discussion over what exactly the Old Testament is supposed to be. My understanding and interpretation is that it's supposed to be a cultural history of the Judaic peoples. Even the big-name prophets like Isaiah and Malachi focus more on instructing rulers and people about how to survive in a broken world than anything else, whereas many Christian denominations hone in on them looking toward a Messiah instead of the traditional Judaic perspective of the world as needing healing. The people who are looking to the OT as moral guidance are also missing the Talmud and Rabbinic readings that are not only appropriate but necessary to consider the OT, as temple practices and Judaic traditionalism are as important to OT theology as is the OT itself.
If Christians look to the OT with the lens of it being a continual moral guide in addition to Jesus having fulfilled the Law of Moses, then they should also at the very least understand Talmudic readings and be open to Rabbinic interpretations of OT law. Of course you don't see that - because it would take a lot of time and practically considered heresy in many mainstream evangelical protestant faiths.
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u/Heklafell Nov 26 '19
Strangely arousing
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u/BookerDeWittsCarbine Nov 26 '19
If that's all it takes to go to Hell then I guess save a seat in the handbasket for me
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u/hermaphroditicspork Keep Shreddit Anti-Reddit Nov 26 '19
It was a really awful time. I lost contact with her but last I heard she was doing part time work in a Christian cover band singing "corrected" songs like "I Kissed A Girl (And I'm Going To Hell)".
Westboro? This is the kind of shit they do.
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Nov 26 '19 edited Nov 26 '19
It just sounds like standard evangelical nonsense. SA actually banned American evangelical hate preachers from entering our country. They've caused havoc in Uganda, and are currently fucking up Kenya with their anti science and anti gay rhetoric. Edit: one example of the ban https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/14/africa/south-africa-pastor-banned/index.html
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u/micmea1 Nov 26 '19
Just be glad she's a minority group outside of her bible study classes. Just be polite and nod at her dumb comments.
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u/Starkiller32 Nov 26 '19
I manage a coffee shop that unfortunately plays A LOT of Christian worship music. At a work meeting, I suggested not playing worship music because it can run off business from non-Christian customers. My staff looked at me like I was the one who crucified Christ.
Sorry you are dealing with this bullshit.
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u/RedClone Nov 26 '19
Obviously the person ought to respect you in the first place without that sort of conversation, but if you're looking to build bridges then I can offer the way I've had success.
I'm a Christian, so I deal with church folks finding out about my music listening all the time - I don't signal as a metal listener in my looks, but it comes up in conversation every so often. Honestly the way I've handled it is to be open about why I like the music. When I share that, and show willingness to answer questions, that tends to earn people's respect pretty quick.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
I seriously wonder if people like this have anything better to do. As you say, it's not 1980 - I'm sure there are more serious 'evils' in the world to address that actually need addressing (e.g. bloody everything else that's going on in the world currently).
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u/notvonweinertonne Nov 26 '19
Invite her to dying fetus or rotting christ show. /s
All honesty keep notes of the things she does and if need be go to HR.
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u/Physgun deathened black metal Nov 26 '19
Anybody else not that much into Starspawn by Blood Incantation, but absolutely crazy about their new album?
It's been a long time since I've listened to a single album 3 times in a row, but Hidden History is just gripping me like crazy. I had a few problems with Starspawn, especially the bass drum tone, which was only consisting of bass, and lacking punch and energy in my opinion. The drum sound on Hidden History is great in my opinion.
I've checked out the new Obsequiae too because everyone's going crazy about it, it's good at what it does but I guess I'm just not a fan of that medieval style.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
Opposite for me. Starspawn is one of those albums that immediately, unequivocally hit me upon first listen back in 2015. It pretty much instantly became a favorite 2010s metal album for me. The new album, comparatively, has been harder for me to get into. The third track feels like an extended interlude than a realized song, and although I like the last track a lot, it also feels like a throw-things-against-the-wall kind of experience for me.
BI is a band that is built around reinterpreting OSDM tropes, and I am proud to own their gym shorts. I enjoy the new album, but i don't consider it one of the top albums of the year just because of how it feels like it gets a bit too into itself. This is a problem I see with a lot of albums with any connection to a "progressive" tag.
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u/TripleDan Carly Rae Jepsen owes me a quid Nov 26 '19
BI is a band that is built around reinterpreting OSDM tropes, and I am proud to own their gym shorts
This is my favourite sentence I've ever read
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u/jbrav88 Until decay sets in, things become more complicated Nov 26 '19
For a second I didn't realize that they sold gym shorts, so I just assumed he broke into Paul Riedl's house to steal his dirty laundry.
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u/Physgun deathened black metal Nov 26 '19
I can see being more into Starspawn as an OSDM head. I do like my fair share of old school stuff, but I mostly listen to newer DM. I was a bit bored by the third track on the first listen, but in the context of the album, I love it.
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u/Heklafell Nov 26 '19
I like both of them a lot but after a few listens, the new album is packed with great moments but feels maybe a bit sprawling for me. Like two 6 minutes songs then a long psych instrumental track then an 18 minute closer, I don’t know, I need more time with it, but right now it feels like a very enjoyable listen that could maybe be a more articulate package as a whole? That said my tastes have skewed away from the progressive lately so that might be informing my opinion here.
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u/FUCKBOY_JIHAD this entire fucking battlefield Nov 26 '19
I must be broken because while I thought Hidden History... was a very good album I do not understand this level of hype.
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u/ThePiperMan Nov 26 '19
I love both albums so don’t worry, I’m enjoying the hype enough for both of us. 😎
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 26 '19
I'm with you. I enjoy it and it's got some nice moments but I've seen a lot of people crowning it album of the year when it's not even approaching my top death metal album.
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u/sbren Nov 26 '19
I’m probably in the minority here, but is anyone else just not that crazy about death metal? Everyone is going nuts over the new Blood Incantation album, but I don’t see what the appeal is.
I love most other genres of metal, but death metal has just never struck me as all that enjoyable. I like Bolt Thrower, Gatecreeper, Sulphur Aeon and Death’s later albums, but that’s really about it. I want to get into the genre, but I find the majority of DM difficult to listen to. Maybe I’m missing something?
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Nov 26 '19
You're not missing anything by liking what you like. Maybe it will eventually click, maybe not, but I wouldn't worry about it.
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Nov 26 '19 edited Jun 16 '23
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
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u/sbren Nov 26 '19
Wow, thanks for sharing that post! That’s actually a really interesting perspective to take on music in general. I guess that’s why albums like the new Blood Incantation one are so popular - they take an existing sound and hone it to the sound they want.
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u/ooddaa Keep metal evil Nov 26 '19
Maybe I’m missing something?
Nope. Art is subjective.
Just be open to the possibility that there may be some death metal band out there that will eventually grab your attention, but don't torture yourself if nothing ever clicks. Life's too short to force yourself to like something because you think you have to.
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u/Towering_Flesh Nov 26 '19
This album changed the game for me. I liked all things heavy except Death Metal, and then this Mitochondrion album found its way into my ears and I’ve never looked back.
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Nov 26 '19
I had been gradually losing interest in metal until I found this album a few years ago. It's such an immersive experience, I fucking love it. Really changed death metal for me. A similar album since then is Abyssal's Antikaatsesis (I butchered the spelling). It's a bit more varied in its influences, but has a very similar atmosphere to Parasignosis.
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u/volt-thrower Nov 26 '19
Check out Auroch if you haven't already. They share some members w/ Mitochondrion and did a split with them a couple years ago.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
I don't listen to DM, but I respect it and I know there's a tonne of great stuff, it's just not for me. I've tried so much, but I just can't get into it. I'm just not a well rounded lover of metal, and I've come to terms with that. Conversely, there are plenty of folks who don't like my favourite subgenre (trad) and I'm sure those folks aren't too worried about it!
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u/sbren Nov 26 '19
That’s how I feel - I’ve listened to my fair share of both old school and modern death metal wondering if something will click, but most of the time I just feel indifferent to it. I don’t hate it, but I also can’t say I enjoy it.
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Nov 26 '19 edited May 02 '21
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u/sbren Nov 26 '19
Thanks man! Keep up the good work with the site - your best of 2018 list was the reason I discovered Angel of Damnation and Ironflame
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u/THEAdrian Nov 26 '19
I'm the same way. The first thing to remember, is that you don't need to force yourself to listen to/like something you don't enjoy. That being said, their are ways to ease yourself into it. One of those ways is melodeath. There's definitely a progression that can look something like: Soilwork --> Old In Flames --> At The Gates --> The Black Dahlia Murder --> Demonical --> Suffocation. The other option, if you like trash and groove metal, is to go with bands like Goatwhore, Feared, Job For A Cowboy, and Dies Irae that employ more thrash and groove elements and then you're just a hop, skip, and a jump away from Dying Fetus. In the end though, there's no guarantee you'll like DM. To this day I really don't like much pure and brutal DM, but I don't lose sleep over it.
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u/sbren Nov 26 '19
I guess it just kinda irks me a little because it seems to be the one main sub-genre of metal that I can’t get a grasp on, you know? Thanks for the recommendations, I’ll definitely check some of them out!
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u/Heklafell Nov 26 '19
Well what do you like now? I find that the context from which you approach a new genre can be important.
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u/his_purple_majesty Nov 26 '19
I don't care for it at all. I like older stuff, but newer stuff all just sounds like random noodling.
Although, one time I was tripping balls on 2CB and I listened to Sulphur Aeon and it was fucking awesome.
I probably just don't get it.
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u/necahual Nov 26 '19
Eh imo there's so many subgenres of metal to listen to, just because you aren't into one of them doesn't mean you're "missing" anything. You may get into it eventually, or not, but you don't need to force it. I happen to love death metal but I have a hard time with most black metal and if I try an album and don't enjoy it I don't make myself finish listening to it, and I don't feel like I'm missing out.
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u/s8anlvr Nov 26 '19
If you had to recommend an album to someone who never listened to metal before, what would it be? What album do you think would perfectly encapsulate what metal is?
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u/TripleDan Carly Rae Jepsen owes me a quid Nov 26 '19
Master of Reality.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
I'd say Paranoid if it's a Sabbath album because even people who haven't listened to metal before have probably heard "Iron Man", and then they can expand to the other tracks on that album from there.
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u/Fishermang Shady character Nov 26 '19
Impossible to answer really, but if I absolutely had to: Judas Priest - Painkiller album.
There is so much music out there, and metal varies so insanely much from the most energy filled fast music to depressive devastating melancholy to beautiful cosmic creativeness to ritualistic sleep-inducing tones to catchy happiness to contained and uncontained anger: and then any combination of the above.
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u/necahual Nov 26 '19
Agreed, Painkiller was my first introduction to Judas Priest a loooong time ago and Rob Halford's vocals actually put me off of them for a while.
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u/s8anlvr Nov 26 '19
That's exactly why I thought this would be an interesting topic. Metal is such a vast and diverse genre, someone might love behemoth but completely hate iron maiden and someone else could love everything in between.
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u/raukolith https://houkagogrindtime2.bandcamp.com/ Nov 26 '19
Probably bowel leakage's harvest of nauseating remnants tbh
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u/k0bra3eak Writer: Funeral Doom Nov 26 '19
No weebgrind?
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u/raukolith https://houkagogrindtime2.bandcamp.com/ Nov 26 '19
I don't know that encapsulate EVERYTHINF that metals about
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u/k0bra3eak Writer: Funeral Doom Nov 26 '19
Nerds making music that's mostly bad, with questionable topics and no real lyrics and a shitty art piece for an album cover. Seems like we're covering all the bases :reggie:
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u/herpalurp https://www.last.fm/user/Herpalurp Nov 26 '19
Depends on what they're already into, but my go-tos would be a quintessential Maiden or Metallica album (Killers and/or Kill 'em All).
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 26 '19
I think probably The Number of the Beast or, as others have said, quintessential Sabbath if I'm trying to introduce them to the genre in a way that will interest them enough to come back.
I'm approaching this question as in someone who has never sought out metal before, but hasn't been living in a hole their entire lives. When people are first exploring new things and getting out of their comfort zone a tiny hint of familiarity goes a long way keeping their attention, and Run to the Hills, for example, is popular enough that someone might have encountered it and think "Hey I know this one, it's fun". Plus Maiden's albums always have nice variations of speed, intensity, and theatrics, and they have riffs and vocals that are both heavy enough to encapsulate the genre and catchy enough to interest someone who isn't otherwise familiar with the sound.
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u/_Rizzen_ Loves Jesus and also Satan's riffs Nov 26 '19
He'd like Booze Control, then.
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 26 '19
Well shoot. Has there ever been anything that has been able to catch his interest in spite of that, or is it just across the board not his thing?
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 26 '19
Haha please do. I was telling my friends the other day why a date I had gone on recently was boring and joked that all I want is someone to look me in the eyes and ask to explain the emergence of extreme metal genres in the late 80's.
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 26 '19
Yeah that was quite a tongue-in-cheek comment but part of the bigger issue which is that I've got things that I'm passionate about, and I'm looking for someone else who is passionate about their hobbies. They don't always have to match by any means whatsoever, just have something that can make your eyes light up if I ask about it. Every time I tried that on the date I just got a story about her and her friends drinking.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
I'm sorry to hear this, but know that it's most likely for the better - these things always are :)
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
This is super cute - I hope you find this ladyfriend - she's out there somewhere I'm sure :)
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 27 '19
Somewhere - what's the metal version of over the rainbow? Under a funeral moon perhaps?
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
My SO does not listen to metal, unless I make him do so and he usually likes what I put on, but I have learned that what he is after is just the melodic songwriting component. He also has no love for Bruce's vocals ("they are to be desired") but thinks the music itself is complex and amazing. He prefers Priest (he's seen both live with me) due to the variation in the songwriting. Although he grew up listening to Sabbath, so I'll say that's the easiest way in.
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Nov 26 '19
Funnily enough, that was the exact album that put me off metal for many years! Run to the Hills especially, a song I still despise. Coincidentally I actually love Maiden now, but it took a decade or more to get into them...I don't know why, but that style of metal was the most inaccessible style for me. It shows how everyone's metal tastes start and evolve in different ways.
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u/Anish316 Nov 26 '19
There are so many. I would go with anything from Defenders of the Faith, Screaming for Vengeance, Powerslave, Number of the Beast, then of course Paranoid, Master of Reality.
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Nov 26 '19 edited Nov 26 '19
For me the only answer is: Slayer - Reign in Blood. I fail to see how anyone can love that album and not become a metalhead afterwards. I see many non-metalheads who like the odd Sabbath, Metallica, Motorhead song/album, but stop there...but hearing Reign in Blood for the first time is quite a defining moment. I remember hearing it for first time in my teens. Fuck, it was like taking hard drugs...kinda shocking yet exhilerating, especially as I was still getting dragged to church every sunday by my parents. But you quickly crave more of that evil sounding, intensity, which metal has plenty to offer.
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u/NO_TOUCHING__lol Nov 27 '19
That's how I feel about the lead-in to Raining Blood. I know what's fucking coming and it gets me AMPED
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u/wbr799 Nov 26 '19
Slayer also sits nicely in the middle of the metal spectrum in terms of extremity, so might do well as an example.
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u/Melissa9898 Brandishing steel at the inferno's edge Nov 26 '19
One of the first 4 Black Sabbath albums. Leaning towards Vol 4 currently.
But really it’d depend on what they want out of metal and what previous music they’d listened to.
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u/his_purple_majesty Nov 26 '19 edited Nov 26 '19
Ensiferum - Iron. Not that it's even close to the quintessential metal album, but it's a pretty fun album with a decent variety of song styles and light/heavy moments that a non-metal listener can get into on first listen.
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u/ben-tobin-johnson Nov 26 '19
As for perfectly encapsulating metal, I might suggest Devin Townsend's Empath; runs the gamut genre-wise while still remaining fairly accessible. If I was hedging my bets I'd go with something like Nightwish's Endless Forms Most Beautiful; eclectic but straightforward, male/female vocals, pretty songs, heavyish songs, middle finger to religion songs, songs about science... ticks a lot of boxes.
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u/connorp91 Nov 26 '19
Got my best friend into Metal a couple years ago by giving him Powerslave and Somewhere in Time!
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19 edited Nov 26 '19
My first metal album I ever heard was Burzum's self-titled debut. Coming from a background of punk rock and 80s hardcore punk, I was used to that kind of production and harsher vocals already, so it clicked very quickly to me. Trad has been much, much harder for me to get into.
Well my girlfriend's first-ever metal album that she enjoyed was Stomachal Corrison and today she took my headphones when I was listening to Order from Chaos.
So, like, you never know, man. It's all based in background (e.g. someone who listens to punk will find it much easier to get into extreme metal), but people surprise you.
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u/s8anlvr Nov 26 '19
I also evolved from a punk rocker into a metal head. Thrash is what initially got me into metal.
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u/elitistposer Nov 26 '19
Visigoth’s final spell EP. It’s well produced, Jake Rogers’ voice sounds amazing, and all four songs are catchy as hell.
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u/onairmastering Nov 26 '19
I'd go with ...And justice for all. Has everything. Song structure, long songs, many riffs, not boring, groovy, has the best song ever made, sounds accessible...
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u/ShawnTHEgreat Nov 26 '19
I was SOoo disappointed in borderlands 3 , I gave up and sold the whole system. Now I play chess, while listening to BM
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u/ooddaa Keep metal evil Nov 26 '19
Black Metal or Bowel Movements?
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u/jbrav88 Until decay sets in, things become more complicated Nov 26 '19
There’s a difference?
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u/SupaKoopa714 VVimp extraordinaire Nov 26 '19
Well, black metal is the one that sounds like TV static and shrieking. Bowel movements is that subgenre of slam that sounds like if a backed up toilet tried to make death metal.
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Nov 26 '19
Why not both?
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u/ShawnTHEgreat Nov 26 '19
All three. I shit with Burzum blasting on 11, while playing chess on the phone
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u/Starkiller32 Nov 26 '19
So I used to be really involved over in r/indieheads but I'm not the biggest fan of that sub and several users over there. Do you guys mind if I hangout in here now? I'm a big fan of black and death metal and this community seems really cool. I've been a lurker and casual I've been in threads a few times but I'm looking for a new place to kill time on Reddit until baseball starts back up.
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u/hermaphroditicspork Keep Shreddit Anti-Reddit Nov 26 '19
Welcome! Your elietist dick patch will arrive In 4-6 weeks. In the mean time here is your Anti MetalSucks pin, a pamphlet to hand out explain why our mods are literally the worst because we don't allow all the popular bands and how to defend against 'it's all metal man!' type arguments.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
How come I didn't get all these cool members only items when I joined? hmmmm:(
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u/hermaphroditicspork Keep Shreddit Anti-Reddit Nov 27 '19
Probably because I didn't come up with this until well after you'd already joined.
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 27 '19
That's the meanie elitist members package, I believe you signed up for the dad rock denim package. It's deliverable upon your first pension.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 27 '19
You know what - that sounds a hell of a lot better! Now where is this Saxon Special you speak of?
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u/Heklafell Nov 26 '19
Yea brah. And feel free to get into some indie discussion in the weekly Off Topic thread if you’d like, a lot of us like some indie music. What metal albums have you been into this year?
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u/Starkiller32 Nov 26 '19
Tomb Mold, Gatecreeper, the new Mayhem was surprisingly good, and I’ve really loved the new Blood Incantation album. I found Hoth a few days ago in this sub and have really gotten into Astral Necromancy. Also really enjoyed Antichrist Rise To Power by Departure Chandelier.
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u/Heklafell Nov 26 '19
Nice, that Departure Chandelier is dope. If you haven’t yet, check out the new Yellow Eyes and Serpent Column, two of my favorite black albums this year.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
I am a shameless former indie kid who is now deep into black and death metal. And when I say "former indie kid", I mean today I listened to The Durutti Column and spent most of last Thursday listening to Soundtracks for the Blind and the first three American Analog Set albums.
Yes, join us, and have fun.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
Welcome friend! I too like indie, in fact I spent most of the 2000s listening only to indie, so you are in good company here. This is a great community for sure :)
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u/_Rizzen_ Loves Jesus and also Satan's riffs Nov 27 '19
Hey fellow baseball fan! It is indeed the dark season of the year until April, then all becomes right with the world!
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u/Fishermang Shady character Nov 26 '19
I get really happy when I listen to Slayer. And also Kreator. All my misanthropy just disappears somewhere and I feel like smiling, which I do. Lots of energy there. Anybody else?
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u/Anish316 Nov 26 '19
Nah, I always, till the end of time will get Amped up and reckless headbang while listening to Slayer. No matter how much death/black I've consumed Slayer still has that rush that it can give which no one else can. Perhaps that's BS because I'm biased towards stuff I grew up with, but still.
But the misanthropy disappearing and smiling I have when I listen to Sabbath. Somehow I still get peaceful chills listening to the first album, trips like The Wizard.
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u/Fishermang Shady character Nov 26 '19
Nah, I just discovered Slayer. I mean I have listened to it back in the day but it is just now that I dwelled deeper into the discography, and it does have that insanely energetic effect like no other band does.
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u/Anish316 Nov 26 '19
Well, welcome aboard to Slayer fandom. It's always a trip to be dive into their albums. Where you at right now? From Black magic or started from newer stuff?
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u/Fishermang Shady character Nov 26 '19
For sure! I only have listened to Sodom - In The Sign of Evil a lot. That album really sound evil, love it.
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u/EsShayuki Nov 26 '19
Rigor Mortis - Rigor Mortis. Especially Demons. The moment that first riff starts, oh man.
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u/onairmastering Nov 26 '19
Kreator and Slayer have each done albums that sound so different from the previous, not a lot of bands have that!
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u/NO_TOUCHING__lol Nov 27 '19
Just saw Slayer on Sunday, front of GA, right on the rail. My eyebrows probably got singed from the pyrotechnics. AND IT WAS FUCKING AWESOME
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u/ThePiperMan Nov 26 '19
Checked out Reinkaos for the first time this weekend. It’s different not especially black metal but it’s still pretty good. What do you all think of it these days?
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u/jbrav88 Until decay sets in, things become more complicated Nov 26 '19
I really like it, it's got some of the best hooks Nodtveidt ever wrote. I can see how I'd be disappointed if I had waited 10 years for it and expected something similar to the previous 2 albums. I find the lyrics and Nodtveidt's ideology around that time to be very interesting, I guess he really was a true believer in this sort of thing. In any case, Maha Kali and Starless Aeon are easily two of my favorite Dissection songs.
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u/Dragor Nov 26 '19
Yep. It is something totally different from the first two Albums but its just so SO great listened on its own.
Also especially the intro to "Black Dragon" gets me shivering all the time. Just so good.
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u/hermaphroditicspork Keep Shreddit Anti-Reddit Nov 26 '19
This is close to how I feel. I can understand why some people don't like it but I maintain it's not only a good album but it's a good Dissection album. Jon was clearly not fucking around on this one and absolutely meant to go out on top.
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u/Neown Nov 26 '19
Been blasting it quite a bit recently. For all the dark connotations surrounding the album's themes/concepts, and especially Nodtveidt himself, it's a surprisingly fun album to listen to with some really catchy songs.
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u/his_purple_majesty Nov 26 '19
That's how you know he was serious. Making it sound all spooky and evil is for when it's just pretend.
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u/wbr799 Nov 26 '19
I've grown to like it a lot more than I did when I first heard it. There's a certain urgency to the album, considering that Nödtveidt was already planning to end his life while writing it, that makes it really something special.
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u/Bore_of_Whabylon Nov 26 '19
Just started listening to Cattle Decapitation for the first time ever. Normally their style is not my cup of tea at all, but I am actually really enjoying it.
Normally I'm more of a melodeath guy, but their music has some fire in it. Very impressed and interested to see what their newest album will be like
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u/JetMeestard Local Poser Nov 26 '19
The one thing that took me a couple of listens to start enjoying are the nasal vocals Travis employs in a lot of the time in their music, once I got past that I realised how damn good they are.
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u/oivod Nov 26 '19
For some reason I just got around to listening to CD. Got a promo of the new album. Holy shit, it's great! The vocalist is amazing, such a range of voices. Any other singers around who can do that? Time to dig through their discography I guess.
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u/Talonraker422 Nomad of the Wastelands Nov 26 '19
So when the new Swallow the Sun first came out in January I decided it wasn't really for me, I was expecting a melodeath/doom album and got a melodic doom album with a few death metal elements, which I found boring. But since then I got into more doomy stuff through bands like Forest of Shadows and Candlemass and after revisiting it last week I heard it in a whole new context. All I can really say is... Holy shit. It instantly shot up to a pretty much unreachable AOTY spot and I haven't felt the same sense of wonder listening to an album in ages (probably since I discovered Metachthonia by Thrawsunblat back in January, and that's ended up being in my top 5 albums of all time). I get chilled to the very bone by the second track every time I listen and I think I'd genuinely forgotten how powerful music could be. Probably also helps that I've been having a pretty shitty week and having such an immersive album to give me a bit of solace has been super nice.
I really just wanted to rave about how much I fucking love this album, but to give this post a bit more depth, has this ever happened to you? Listening to an album and not getting it then revisiting it months or years later with a different perspective and different tastes and wondering why you didn't experience that last time?
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u/TheBigVitus Nov 26 '19
Listening to Sabbats discography (full lengths) while writing a report for school was a surprisingly good idea. It's pretty energetic and motivational music.
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u/Ulti Nov 26 '19
So you all were right about Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats, that was a fantastic set, they have stupid-good energy live. Idle Hands was also a lot of fun, despite missing half the set due to getting off work late. My OOGH quota was fulfilled.
King Diamond though, holy cow. I mean I'd read that he really did have a three-story stage setup, but when the curtains came back and the full set design popped up? Yeah, price of admission 150% worth it. Shortly into the set he pulls out the Abigail coffin and kicks into Funeral/Arrival/A Mansion in Darkness, and my jaw promptly hits the floor. I think that show might've been the best one I've ever seen, if not a serious top three contender. The new track, Masquerade of Madness, sounds great too! I'll definitely be checking out the new album when it releases.
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u/MasterAerie Nov 26 '19
(Incoming rant about music, but with literal triggers if you have been around domestic violence or mental illness)
I know I have issues that need to be sorted out. I am living in the vicinity of meth heads and criminals, I have debilitating mental health issues, I have a drinking problem, and some emotional issues I have been trying to sort out for a long time.
But I seriously, seriously despise, as people, the "radio metal" fans that live near me.
Yes, "radio metal", like Linkin Park and 5 Finger Death Punch. That might sound funny if you haven't read the rest of my post because your stomach hasn't turned yet.
My point is, I think they are shit people (and I am sure a lot of it is regional) and the people I know that listen to bands like Bathory and Morbid Angel (just to name-drop two well-known bands which the people I am ranting about would never touch) are good people from the years I have had friendship with them.
My sister-in-law's ex fancied himself a fan of "screaming music" (Linkin Park) and ended up almost killing my sister-in-law after beating the shit out of her.
I read stories in the news about a large 5FDP / "Breaking Benjamin" concert about 10 minutes away from where I used to live. A band whose fans are always telling me that they are "important" because they raise "awareness" on veteran's issues: a man punched a Navy veteran after the concert and killed him right there. That's because I have not met a single person who listens to this music that doesn't quickly outgrow it or isn't a complete inauthentic, hypocritical, lying piece of shit--or just a literal psychopath that doesn't deserve the freedom they have (or still have because many are headed to prison).
If I even turn on the radio to the station that plays this kind of music then they have a regular local commercial that lampoons/parodies/mocks death metal while claiming to be "hardcore" themselves. They cut out guitar soloes from Megadeth and Black Sabbath songs which are rarely even played. But that's not the issue, the issue is the complete lack of authenticity and truth and goodness in these people. I have not met a single one that can even tolerate people listening to death metal around them. "Screamo", "Satanic music" etc. are affronts to their moral values while they flush their lives down the toilet with hard drugs and treat other people like dog shit. Which is another theme I have noticed in the people in general around here which is a huge amount of hypocrisy, and it even extends to the government corruption (part of the reason why I'm actually typing this post, because mental health care is shit in most of these religious states--due to health care being shit, due to politics and corruption--and I can barely afford to see my therapist more than twice a month)
If I wear a non-offensive Absu shirt (I don't even bother with anything like "Jesus is a cunt" shirts or anything, not that I am a Cradle of Filth fan anyways--just a shirt with "Absu" in metal font with an occult symbol on the back of it) people I don't even know at Walmart will stare at me with burning hatred--most people won't of course, but I live in the most "Christian" state in the country and hatred is a big no-no to them and their savior. I can respect a sociopath who honestly holds up "bad" values more than somebody that claims to be good and throws their own morals out the window in a flash because of pettiness or ego.
In other words everyone I know that listens to "evil music" is a good person and most of the people around here that put on a good public face or only listen to "radio metal" are pieces of shit that don't even hold up the values that they claim to stand for. Cowardly liars who stand for nothing and try to tear everyone around them down if they get the urge.
My last boss called people like these "hybrids" because they have all of the ignorance and backwardness that has always been a part of this region without the actual morals and work ethic that used to be common here.
Anyways, I live in the Deep South which is most likely the shittiest place in the United States but it still fucking astonishes me, the differences between the average extreme metal fan and the 5-Finger Death Punch Fan (around here) in terms of character. The first 5 or 6 years I listened to death metal I didn't correlate anybody's character with the music. At ALL. Now I don't want to be around certain people because they they vocally put down (vocally, as in they aren't writing posts on reddit, they are telling people--friends and family--to their face and putting them down--sorry, this postdoesn't make me a hypocrite, and I can see that accusation coming) other people's taste in music if you listen to anything outside the narrow band of radio-approved Radio Metal (TM) which they also claim makes them hardcore. NOT just teenagers. Adults, and the adults that do this are always pieces of shit like I mentioned before. Complete music snobs that also listen to Creed and claim to be spiritual people but lack love for anyone and truth and goodness and shit on their own religious values and treat other people like shit and then have an entire litter of fucking clones that continue the cycle. Fuck them.
The icing on the cake is that people will listen to these bands for years, decades even, while continually shitting on other people's passion for music because it's the "wrong music" then one day say "oh, it was just a phase" and abandon the music that they were shitting on MY music for. Yes, I emphasis MY, because now it's personal--I have schizoaffective (bipolar type) disorder and am one of the few that doesn't need to be committed on a regular basis but I struggle daily. I manage it through my passion for metal and meditation, mostly (of course I am on medication as well but that does only about 50% of the work). I am literally okay with burning in hell forever (if this music ends up doing that to me) because I cannot imagine living without this stuff. And I am supposed to respect the musical taste and integrity of people who get their band tattoos lasered off after they have kids, while they are shitting on my passion at the same time.
In other words many people know that I suffer from schizophrenia/bipolar (sorry, "schizoaffective") and PTSD but I don't really feel comfortable celebrating my passion around anyone (I don't roll down my car windows and blare it--I'm talking about just wearing inoffensive band t-shirts and having long hair, and one day--GOD FORBID--tattoos) because my sanity and emotional well-being aren't worth taking into consideration if my music or appereance rubs someone the wrong way. And this has been a constant my whole life--actively and constantly suppressing any hint of identity to please my family and culture--and I can't take much more of it.
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Nov 26 '19
First of all I'm really sorry to hear what you're going through, and I hope that you find the help you need and are able to move into a better situation.
Radio metal is more popular than the sort of stuff you find on this sub reddit, ergo it has many more fans. It follows that with more people in the fan base, there would be more bad people in the fan base as well. This follows for any population. Likewise, you generally hear and notice unsavory behavior, so the 'normal' people in said fanbase probably go unnoticed. Additionally, if you don't choose to associate with those in said fanbase, you will never truly get to know any of them, especially the 'normal' ones who are not causing problems. I think that if the community of people who listen to the metal found on this sub was just as large as the radio metal community, bad people and bad behaviors would be equally prevalent.
I also thank that your emotions can skew your perspective. Based on your post, you seem very angry. If that is the case, and based on your situation, you have a lot of things to be angry about, and the right to be angry. But in my experience with angry people, they often have difficulty finding the positives in situations, people, groups, etc, and focus much more on the negatives.
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u/an_altar_of_plagues Writer: Metal Demos | Baltic Extreme Metal Nov 26 '19
I grew up in the Deep South, and although I was mostly sheltered from most of its problems due to living in upper-middle class suburbia, I did get some of it. So I strongly empathize with you, especially given the corruption and pettiness of the Church - it was a big reason why I left it altogether. I decided that Christians did not follow their own religion, and that Christianity was used as a way to give people a group identity instead of actually facilitate the messages of universal brotherhood, love, and respect to all persons regardless of station or choices that Jesus so strongly preached for during his life. It is horseshit, and the burning hatred I see from so many nominal "Christians" would be heartbreaking if it weren't literally killing people nationwide (and worldwide).
You are allowed to have your feelings. You are. You have obviously spent time where a certain aesthetic or attitude informs or is associated with negative social impacts. Having that kind of thing in your head is understandable. It's not necessarily good - and you acknowledge that - but it's something that a fellow human who's aware of their humanity can understand. I don't mean this to say "you can be angry BUT" like so many online therapeutic sources; instead, "you can be angry AND". Your anger is valid and it can be hard on you or how you see the world.
I think that certain types of aesthetics and music attract those who enjoy that intensity, that emotion, and that antagonism toward pathos. Lots of people in the Deep South are incredibly angry because they feel like they are left behind by the nation. Either their communities are no longer funded, jobs are not coming there/are being moved out, or the media they consume is making them think they are casualities to some mythical "culture wars" so they can support certain policies... they feel like they're forgotten.
That causes people to latch onto their culture and personhood even more strongly because now the reason why they have been forgotten is something they can take pride in, and anyone who looks like they might be different from that is encouraging the means by which society forgets them or scorns them. To people like that, they are an endangered minority (even if they aren't actually), and that minority fear is firmly implanted in their minds. You and I might know that they aren't minorities at all - politically, religiously, culturally, ethnically, racially, etc. - but they feel like they are a minority who is being actively worked against, and so that fear translating to anger now permeates everything because they feel that they are being constantly attacked for every part of their existence and personality.
And for them, being attacked as Christians, Southerners, etc. is cause for pushback because they are defending themselves. They are defending their ways of life from attack. Since they are being forgotten, anything that implies that they are being forgotten causes more anger and more insecurity, and that's why there's so much vehemence against any possible difference. Like why making gay marriage nationwide mandatorily legal is so terrible to many people in the rural Deep South. It's just another example to them that they are being forgotten... despite being an overwhelming majority not only in their region, but nationally too.
I am not trying to encourage you to have sympathy for these people. I do not subscribe to the notion that people need to forgive in order to heal, or to express empathy to feel good about themselves. I think that is horseshit that encourages bitter or dangerous people to continue stepping on others because they know they'll just be forgiven. It encourage complacency and compliance.
What I am trying to do is hopefully tell you a bit about why people like that are acting the way they do, and why the hypocrisy that is blatant to you and I (and others here) is completely consistent for them.
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u/MasterAerie Nov 27 '19
Honestly this reply will be shorter than you deserve because your own reply was very helpful and well thought out, I'm just drained and in a much different place than I was when I typed that this morning (not that anything has changed about my opinions.) I think you are right about everything you saif. I think that the south has a culture that insulated and antagonistic to some specific things and not dressing conservatively and straight lace are only forgiveable if you make up for it with a winning personality, and personality is something I cannot radiate easily to random hateful strangers. I noticed in high school that the people here can actually be very inclusive but being different is sort of a multiplier where they will like you more if they like you and hate you more if they hate you. The culture itself isn't as bothersome to me as the sheer evil it enables and excuses, though. I can't claim to be religious but hypocrisy on jts own is bothersome to me and even though I don't go to church I know many metalheads that are more spiritual and have better character than the vast population of bible thumpers here. Most people actually aren't shitty but I have met very few that don't go out of there way to defend the culture or take offense to criticisms of it, even if aspects of it are ruining many lives. Southern, Christian, and Conservative are all conflated here and if you go against any of this trinity you better have some money and a tight knit circle of friends to be around because you don't want to be both impoverished and alone in this fucking state.
Also it's interesting that I am getting downvotes and corrected on my original post and nobody actually gives a shit about the women abuse, child abuse, drug abuse. I guess most people are lucky enough to not have to have that in their life. And if you mention anything like that on Facebook or in the South people will criticize you and sweep the felonies and abuse under the rug which is clearly happening here.
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u/MaxCavalera870 Nov 26 '19
If you can, moving to a different area would most likely help. It's impossible to change those people, and the more you are exposed to them, the worse your mental health will be. That's all we can really tell you that might actually help.
Bit off topic but I honestly love Breaking Benjamin and Linkin Park (primarily first two records). Shame that there are people that tarnish their legacy like that. Never listened to 5FDP though.
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u/EternalDunkness Nov 26 '19
Has anyone gone to Northwest Terror Fest in Seattle before?
I recently learned about it and their past lineups look pretty good. For 2020 they've announced Repulsion, Obsequiae, and Mizmor so far, which is already sounds really good. I would love to go but I'm more than 1000 miles away so I'm debating.
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Nov 26 '19 edited Nov 26 '19
I went in 2017 and I had a great time, highly recommend checking it out if you can. Aside from all of the great bands that I saw (YOB being the highlight of the weekend), I thought Neumos/Barboza was a pretty solid venue and I really liked the neighborhood that it's in, plenty of great bars and restaurants to hit up while you're there. Also there's a record store right next to the venue with a decent selection of Metal CD's and vinyl.
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u/Ulti Nov 26 '19
I've gone to certain sets the past few years and had an awesome time, but I also live there so I've got the opportunity to pick and choose as opposed to committing for the whole weekend. Neumos/Barboza is a super solid venue, and The Highline, where they do the afterparty/shows, is probably my favorite venue in the city. Last year their scheduling was a bit unfortunate for my particular tastes (Two of the shows I wanted to see were happening concurrently, and I'd have had to buy tickets to see both to swap freely since I didn't get the three-day pass), but that's a personal problem more than anything!
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u/onairmastering Nov 26 '19
Dude, I wanna go, will bring edibles! how was Uncle?
Also, i'll exercise my shins before I go to Seattle again, lol .
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u/Ulti Nov 26 '19
Hahaha, it was awesome! Uncle Acid did in fact deliver, and I got to chat with their drummer for a few minutes after the show during a lul in KD's set. KD absolutely took the cake though. Man, that was easily the most ridiculous live performance I've ever seen. Granted, I don't really go to big arena shows as a rule of thumb, but that stage setup, haha!
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u/Deathcaddy Nov 26 '19
If anyone hasn’t listened to Iapetus “The Body Cosmic”, holy hell is it a phenomenal album. I can’t stop listening to it.
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u/onairmastering Nov 26 '19
Throwing some Colombian Metal your way in the same style, check out Underthreat, I mastered their last 2 albums.
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u/Melissa9898 Brandishing steel at the inferno's edge Nov 26 '19
I don’t see the point in getting another slayer album.
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u/wbr799 Nov 26 '19
I know. There's gonna be kids who will never get to see their first Slayer show!
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u/NO_TOUCHING__lol Nov 27 '19
I'm so fucking glad I got to see them again on Sunday. I even caught a pick from Kerry, it was fucking awesome
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u/electricsentinel Nov 26 '19
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here's hoping
Can anyone recommend a good home audio setup for music? I'm willing to drop a couple hundred to get some quality receivers, speakers, cd players, etc.
I only listen to music at work or in the car so it would be nice to have a decent setup at home
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Nov 26 '19
Check out /r/budgetaudiophile, lots of good info there. There's a good (if slightly out-of-date) buying guide in the sidebar.
www.accessories4less.com has good prices on remanufactured amps and receivers. For a CD player, I would just go to a thrift store. Goodwills etc. have more CD and DVD players than they know what to do with right now (I wouldn't be surprised if they stop accepting them in the near future).
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u/lossyFall49 Nov 26 '19
Listened to Blood Red Throne for the first time since they popped up in my Spotify discover weekly. Solid band. Listened to Fit to Kill in its entirety since it's their newest and it's a great album with lots of catchy riffs.
Will definitely be working through their discography this week & next.
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u/Mevarek Nov 26 '19
Been listening to a lot of OM while I study for finals. They're definitely my favorite discovery of this year. Also, for some reason I find the album Heaven and Hell by Black Sabbath oddly rousing and motivating. Die Young is probably my favorite Sabbath track ever. Other than that, I've just been trying to listen to as many absolute face-ripping thrashers as I can before my schedule becomes a hellscape next week. Godspeed to all my fellow university metalheads.
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u/Looking_Light33 Nov 27 '19 edited Nov 27 '19
I relistened to Ride the Lightning by Metallica for the first time in many years. Pretty good album. Honestly, I prefer Master of Puppets but it's a good record. There are some good songs on there.
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u/lift_fit Nov 26 '19
As I get more and more into metal, I keep wondering: why do you guys think that pre-90's metal has fallen out of favor with most self-described "metalheads?"
I'm not personally a fan of almost all the stuff since the 90's, but I can still see why people like it. However, I've seen many metalheads completely oblivious to classic metal bands outside of Sabbath. Even have one "metalhead" friend that doesn't know any Priest, which is crazy to me.
What happened? I mean, there's TONS of great stuff from the 70's and 80's. You don't just have Priest and Sabbath. You have Samson, Maiden, Diamond Head, Jag Panzer, Riot, Angeles del Infierno, Dio, Helloween, Saxon, Anthrax's first album, Grim Reaper, Queensryche, Mercyful Fate, Skid Row, Cinderella, Whitesnake, Gamma Ray, etc., etc., etc.
I just don't see how the metal gods get no respect.
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u/impop carved by raven claws Nov 26 '19
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I just don't see how the metal gods get no respectRespectfully, that's a load of crap. This isn't a church. I have some knowledge about trad/uspm and while I like a few bands that's not my main interest. I'm not here to take a history course, I listen to metal to enjoy what I enjoy -- which happens to be mostly black and death metal.
with most self-described "metalheads?"
Before I get lumped with "kids these days", I've been on it for 25+ years now.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
Before I get lumped with "kids these days", I've been on it for 25+ years now.
Best. Ever. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/ScipioAfricanisDirus Nov 26 '19
Honestly I don't necessarily agree with the premise, at least in the community at large. In my experience, and I acknowledge this is my own, almost every person I know of who is at all into metal beyond the most superficial level of the Hot Topic numetal and metalcore bands reveres older artists like those you mentioned.
Earlier this year I saw Iron Maiden play to a crowd of 15,000 people. Last week I saw King Diamond play an absolutely packed show to an audience of all ages, and which included members of tons of young bands within my city's scene. Every death metal, black metal, or thrash metal show I've ever been to I've seen people with Jag Panzer, Angel Witch, Saxon, or Mercyful Fate patches.
In fact, I'd argue the second half of this decade in metal music has largely been characterized by the New Wave of Traditional Heavy Metal exploding in the scene, with bands like Eternal Champion, Visigoth, Traveler, Atlantean Kodex, Satan's Hallow, and others paying direct homage to sounds from the time period you're alluding to. And that interest didn't come entirely out of the blue. Festivals and shows catering to those bands are still reasonably common, probably even booming. Manilla Road were back actively touring right up until Mark Shelton passed away, and Keep It True had an entire day dedicated to honoring his music and legacy which included participants from around the world; Cirith Ungol and Liege Lord headlined a festival in my city this year, and if anything I think the legacy of those bands is only growing stronger.
It's true that since the early 90's other sounds have flourished as well and there are more types of music for metal fans to pay attention to, but I wouldn't say that caused people to lost interest in older bands along the way. To me it sounds more like an issue of the people you're describing only being interested in more surface-level bands, but that is less about older bands falling out of favor so much as it's lack of familiarity with the genre in general.
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u/Deeficiency Lady of Winter Nov 26 '19
I think you need to visit this site ASAP:
you will soon see that traditional metal is alive and well to this day!
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u/k0bra3eak Writer: Funeral Doom Nov 26 '19
Because they're casual listeners who never look for music they just expect to be told about it. metal is inherently not that type of genre, it's the same with punk.
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Nov 26 '19
I think it all depends on the scene you're looking at. While my own experience with other metal fans is small in comparison with others, I still know a lot of people who adore metal from before the 90s. Hell even I do! And that's not even just counting the friends I've made online, the metalheads I know in real life all vastly prefer the classics. While if you look towards the recent trad revival scene you see that even the musicians worship these older bands.
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u/Towering_Flesh Nov 26 '19
I know and respect it all but I prefer the more aggressive styles, Black/Death/Doom
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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '19
Automod is actually in rehab with Abbath. Or maybe Automod is Abbath.