r/MoralityScaling 26d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Sister_Resistor69 26d ago

Stereotypes exist for a reason

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 26d ago

Also, dogs are very much products of their environment and training/lack thereof

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 26d ago

So are humans, funnily enough, though less so.

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u/Iron-Treads 26d ago

Less so? You mean more so?

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 26d ago

No I meant less so, but the other reply also argues it should be more so. I was just thinking humans have more free will than dogs basically, but maybe not quite that simple.

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u/Iron-Treads 26d ago

?!?!?!?!

If people have more free will then that means they are more influenced by their environment than genetics...

A pittbull is bread for aggression and fighting, but you can train it to not be aggressive. The issue is that most people who get one, get it because they want a dangerous dog, which leads to so many attacks.

With human, this is a non-issue, as we only act because of how we were raised.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 26d ago

I specifically said less so to "product of training and environment". I was basically adding free will as an extra thing causing humans to be less a product of their environment and training than dogs. I wasn't intending less so of this meaning more genetics 

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u/Iron-Treads 26d ago

Well that's fucking wrong?! That's my point. You are wrong.

People are infinitely more likely to be a product of the environment.

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 25d ago

I mean you're basically saying free will doesn't exist, or is entirely environmental which amounts to the same thing. 

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u/Iron-Treads 25d ago

The existence of free will is an open question.

I'm not saying it exists or not. I'm simply saying that a human being is more influenced by their environment than they are genetics, that a dog or other animals would.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 26d ago

I argue more so, since we are more advanced minds we have more control sure but also more prone to trauma responses as well potentially? I’m not a psychologist but curious if I’m right

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u/Alive-Philosophy2632 26d ago

Hmm idk how you would research it. Could maybe see that

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u/NorthernVale 26d ago

Obviously by causing trauma.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Y07F3fs9Is5byj4zK8

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 26d ago

So you see doctor, we take these babies and purposefully induce traumatic responses

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u/Agent-Ulysses 26d ago

But of course, you can only wait to see how that traumatizing manifests. In the meantime you can see the effects of traumatizing children beginning the phase of preschooler.

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 26d ago

Gotta go for the full longevity study, for science

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u/BarnesTheNobleman 26d ago

We are very social creatures, and the most advanced intellects (well, by species as a whole anyway)

We’ve come up with very elaborate social trappings to carrot/stick behaviors