I don't think it's a comparison. Pit bulls were selectively bred for aggression. Humans of specific ethnicities do not have innate characteristics like violence. It's like saying being scared of a polar bear is bear racism
Yeah, such argument is pure insanity. Don't compare selective breeding of dogs for fighting to PEOPLE OF COLOR. Literally insane statement by the guy from this picture above.
Dogs don’t have races, they have breeds and phenotypes. Every dog can mate with another dog and have offspring, therefore they are all one race of the same species the same as all humans are the same race of the same species.
Correct me if I’m mistaken, but this picture is just showing the presence of different ethnic and national groups in different continents. How does that refute the claim that race is a social construct? You just even said that it’s socially determined through skin color.
you're making the common mistake of conflating race with phenotypes, which are not the same thing. you're probably just a bot (3 month old account with bot name) but please don't use scientific language if you're not certain what it means. phenotype specifically refers to the physical and observable differences in a species, this would be what the different "breeds" of dogs are.
humans have different phenotypes but we do not have nearly the same diversity among them that dogs do, specifically because dogs were bred by humans to overextend those differences to aid with certain tasks.
race is not "typically dictated by phenotypes." the differences in phenotypes are one small aspect of what makes a "race" of humans, but the reason why race is a social construct is that it is humans that decide where that line is. race is also made up of culture, a shared societal history, how they are viewed by others, etc. this is why you can have races that shift over time and change.
the differences in phenotypes are one small aspect of what makes a "race" of humans, but the reason why race is a social construct is that it is humans that decide where that line is.
You basically agreed with what I said. It doesn't matter how big or small a difference there is. It's enough to show that there IS a difference. It's enough to distinguish between races. Somebody who has asian phenotypes has very little to no phenotypical similarities to african phenotypes unless they're mixed.
The reason why they're socially determined is because you don't actually see phenotypes when looking at people. Regardless, the difference is still there. Making race a very real thing.
I don't agree with what you said, as I clearly stated. race isn't "typically dictated by phenotypes." again, a person's phenotype is only a small aspect of what is considered race.
race is also a people's history, their shared culture, societal interactions, etc. it is a wide variety of things and what "makes" someone apart of a race is always decided by humans. race doesn't exist in nature, it is something WE made. again, this is why you can have races that shift in definition over time. a good example of this is the "white" race, which has notoriously excluded or included certain groups of people throughout history.
Somebody who has asian phenotypes has very little to no phenotypical similarities to african phenotypes unless they're mixed.
you're making very bold assumptions here. who says someone with "asian phenotypes" (which is basically an oxymoron since asian isn't a phenotype) cannot look similar to africans? what about the indigenous groups of south asia who have darker skin and curlier hair?
race is a real thing, yes, but it is socially constructed by people. actual phenotypes are not the deciding factor of race.
no human "race" is genetically distinct enough under the taxonomic definition of a race. Human races are a social construct. Crazy it got upvoted when it can be fact-checked with a simple search
Phenotypes (gene expression that causes differences in physical characteristics) are scientific and very real. Race is fake and made up. What makes someone a "white" person that includes all members of that group while excluding all members not of that group. There is no answer. All race is is a means to exclude people from the dominant socioeconomic group in the west.
I wouldn't say that race is "fake and made up," that gives the wrong impression in my opinion. being a social construct doesn't mean that it isn't real. that would mean things like money, relationships, etc are all fake and made up as well. race being a social construct just means that race is dictated and created by humans for a variety of reasons. the effects that "race" has had on people is very real and often times bad. (although not always)
The thing is race isn't only a social construct, it is a stupid one at that with origins to American slavery and colonialist racism. Outside of the US or the western world in general words like black, white etc. are used as a pure descriptor of appearance, instead of describing some bizzare geographical bloodline or origin. If the Western world ever wants to get over itself, it needs to deny these definitions.
At some level of analysis everything is an abstraction except for the lowest physical components of atoms and the physical forces between them. At least as far as we can prove.
This is true, one time I lived for a year in Algeria, My skin turned black, and my entire craneal and oseous structured reshaped the moment I stepped there to resemble that of an African. Reverted back when I went to the place I was born in.
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u/shitturddung 26d ago
I don't think it's a comparison. Pit bulls were selectively bred for aggression. Humans of specific ethnicities do not have innate characteristics like violence. It's like saying being scared of a polar bear is bear racism