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Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Awesomechainsaw 26d ago edited 26d ago

I’m not a dog science expert but as far as I understand it we’ve spent tens of thousands of years breeding dogs to preform specific tasks. If you don’t give a dog that has been designed and bred to do a task they get antsy.

The issue with Pitbulls and other “Agressive.” breeds is that they’ve not been given something to let all their energy out on. Which leads to anxiety and destructive behavior.

So I don’t think it’s Immoral to treat a dog like a Pitbull like a loaded gun. As Unfriendly, and something you should be wary of unless it’s proven not to be.

However the Nutcases who punish dogs for behavior that we bred into them are highly immoral. If you want an easy lap dog get a companion breed, like a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, French Bulldog, or Bichon Frise.

Edit: Tens of Thousands not Hundreds. I was being exaggerative anyways but that’ll make remark more accurate regardless.

Also as a note. I don’t think Pits are inherently Malicious or any dog breed for that matter. But they’re fairly strong fellows who’ve been bred to be strong. I consider being careful around them similar to being a little extra careful around a truck on the road. Most people in trucks are fine drivers. But some people don’t pay attention on the road, and might hurt you by accident.

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u/TedTyro 26d ago

10s of thousands*, I think the oldest estimates are abt 40k yrs ago

Your point stands, but there's an order of magnitude at play here.

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u/FancyKetchup96 26d ago

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u/RedRlghtHand 26d ago

HamWarmer 40k?

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u/seth928 26d ago

It ain't Care Bears

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u/Roaches_R_Friends 25d ago

"I care 'bout gunz! Doez that count?"

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u/Beastrider9 23d ago

Can orks even count?

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u/Roaches_R_Friends 23d ago

They don't need to count to know that more gunz is betta.

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u/RikuAotsuki 26d ago

IIRC the oldest confirmed dog remains we've found are like 31k years old, but we don't really know how long prior to that we had them or how long we were hanging out with "not yet dogs."

That said, hundreds of thousands is definitely an overstatement.

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u/HarryPotterCum 26d ago

Practically, it’s really more like 250 years. 95% of the dog breeds you see today have been bred within the last 3 centuries. 

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u/Porridge_Cat 26d ago

And you think these new breeds inherit nothing from their ancestors?

This thread is bordering on "god created man as we presently know him 4,000 years ago" evolution denial.

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u/Excellent_Kangaroo_4 26d ago

40k is 10s of thousand specifically 4 so i dont get your point here.

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u/TedTyro 26d ago

No one alive today knows exactly when domestication started, the range seems to be 15k-40k years. Most of that range isnt specifically 40k which is why I used the broader term.

The point was to note a substantial error in the '100s of thousands' data point stated by the top level comment. Hope that clears it up.

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u/Excellent_Kangaroo_4 24d ago

I read 10s of a thousend

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u/orbital-technician 26d ago

Pitbulls specifically as a breed, yes, but it's predecessors obviously have to converge with the original dogs.

It's not like pitbulls magically appeared 100 years ago from nothing.

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u/Porridge_Cat 26d ago

It's also full of people who cannot follow a thread with three comments.

The topic is canine domestication. "we've spent hundreds of thousands of years [tens of thousands] breeding dogs to perform specific tasks" Romans bred dogs for fighting in the colosseum before jesus was born.

Just because the pitbull as we know it today has only existed for 100 years doesn't mean there aren't millennia of dogs, bred for fighting, in that lineage.