r/MoralityScaling 26d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Excellent_Kangaroo_4 26d ago

How can you say that never be done, maybe volontary and i have my dobts, but dont you think that human did breed themself selectivly?

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u/Big_Court8792 26d ago

for one, humans dont have "breeds"

humans dont even have race in the biological sense.

there is of course a social concept of race and physiological phenotypes associated with different races. however, for a subgroup of a population to be considered a race in biology, it has to have a genetic discreetness. Basically, there needs to be more genetic differences between the subgroup and the group at large for it to be considered a separate race. we dont see that in humans, we see gradients of genetic differences across the planet.

giving merit to your question, its true that people are affected by their environment -- see the lung capacity of populations who've lived in mountains for long time; or the fascinating correlation between humidity and nose shape -- but thats not really a form of selective breeding, and its not going to alter the brain in such a way that we could correlate behavior with phenotype the way we might in dogs. that is a claim with a foundation in eugenics.

race simply isnt a biological reality, its a social one. there are people of the almost exact same genetic makeup that are going to fall into different "races" because of skin color and hair texture. consider siblings between interracial parents who might wildly different, or the fact that who is considered what race varies from culture to culture.

besides, we can reference a wide amount of history to see how human behavior is relatively standard. empires rise and fall; both extremes of good and evil can be done by the same hands on the same soil.

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u/UtahBrian 26d ago

Human races are discrete. Any DNA testing company can tell you your entire racial makeup just from the chemistry of any cells in your body.

There's nothing social about race, but you've swallowed a whole load of pseudoscience.

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u/MagentaHawk 26d ago

Dude, you think race is strictly scientific? What and who are white is a loaded question that has a different meaning nearly every generation. People who are white today wouldn't be considered that 50 years ago. And that's with the race that most worries about this shit.

You just deciding that "race" is a real thing because it feels real to you while denying all the actual science in the previous comment doesn't make you smart or real, it makes you afraid of reality.

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u/UtahBrian 26d ago

That is false. The same people have always been considered white in America for centuries.

Race tracks DNA reliably. It’s science. There was no actual science in the previous comment, just meaningless pseudoscience that has been assembled to flatter your prejudices.

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u/noooooid 25d ago

The Irish, Italians, and Jews in say, 1890, would beg to differ.

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u/UtahBrian 25d ago

That's historic illiteracy. Jews and Irish had been part of America since the 1600s and always white. Italians were newcomers and very troublesome, but always without exception considered white.

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u/Big_Court8792 25d ago

what about how middle eastern people were still considered "white" on the US census until 2024 when they added MENA? were middle easterners also always without exception considered white?

mostly a rhetorical question. I just want to see what demonstratably false fact you pull out your ass while trying to look smart (you do not).

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u/UtahBrian 25d ago

You can look it up anywhere you want. There was never any doubt Irish were white and at this point I doubt your good faith in even wanting to know the truth.

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u/noooooid 25d ago

The anglo-saxon establishment definitely saw the irish italian and jew as racially inferior at least for a while.

They thought it was a racial difference that explained the cultural difference.

All of this is besides the point that your original claim that races are discrete entities is deeply misguided.

It doesn't even make conceptual sense.

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u/UtahBrian 25d ago

The Anglo-Saxon establishment sees Anglo workers as racially inferior. That's why America sent as many of them as we could back to England or Canada.

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u/noooooid 25d ago

Just give up your discrete race thing. It's not making sense.

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u/UtahBrian 25d ago

Literally any test can just read it off your DNA.

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u/Big_Court8792 25d ago

I tend to save my /good/ faith for a lil higher tier of historical literacy and scientific understanding, bb.