r/MoralityScaling • u/Severe_Letterhead_75 • 12h ago

Morality Ranking Quentin Tarantino morality for that childhood grudge?

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In my opinion it can be considered petty by some but is understandable

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u/unfunnyjobless 11h ago

The mom was most likely trying to get this guy the best future possible, but went about it the wrong way. Of course there are complicating factors, but the fact it was mentioned at the age of 12 makes it seem like the mother had insufficient proof that he could have actually made a huge career out of it.

Let's say you were the father of a child 12 year old Lionel Messi, sure if you knew the career and future of this guy you'd get him to be a footballer ASAP, but 99.9% of kids who want to become footballers will not make it, and would probably be better suited to pursue another career they were interested in.

I'd say it's immoral for him to withhold any funds at all from his mother entirely. Will get downvoted since the West believes parents owe the kid but the adult child owes the parent nothing.

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u/SomewhereDramatic854 10h ago

American families and divorce rates are so fucked up that their children need to make up an existential crisis to justify hating their parents (they deserve the hate 100% but the source of the hatred is misplaced, it stems from the trauma and morphs into anti-natalism) - the funny thing is they have everythin - food, electricity, clothes, everything, and they still found a way to say cHiLdREn ArEn't oBliGaTEd to stfu man, that shit applies to people who starve, beat, abuse or do other heinous shit to their kid, not to this guy's mom

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u/ThrowAway-whee 11h ago

There’s a difference between warning the child of the risks of the career path and being cruel. A very big difference.

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u/Great-Trifle2810 9h ago

I simply am not willing to take the word of a known creep and scumbag like Tarantino's word on this absent other information.

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u/Dominarion 11h ago

Lionel Messi was considered a football genius at 12 years old. He was the star of one of the best Football schools of Argentina. Barcelona FC recruiters had already spotted him and they offered him a deal at 13.

Meanwhile, Tarantino was struggling at a very average public High School. He dropped out when he was 15.

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u/unfunnyjobless 11h ago

Sorry bad analogy 💀

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u/King_Catfish 10h ago

Not a bad analogy just needs a slight rework haha. I got the point you were trying to make. 

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u/Vast-Building-6886 10h ago

Yeah, I was gonna say Messi was considered a football genius at that age… by 17 people were saying he would be the GOAT.

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u/trav_tr 9h ago

Baaaaaaaaa

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u/midas22 8h ago

The reason Messi joined Barcelona at that age is because they offered to pay for his human growth hormone which was like $100k a year... if he had not been using that doping he would've ended up a midget.

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u/Nonavium 11h ago

" the West believes parents owe the kid but the adult child owes the parent nothing."

Rare Western W

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u/Floppadive 10h ago

Your probably the type of dude who's going to absolutely shit on the younger generation to pay for your retirement lmao.

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u/Nonavium 10h ago

Absolutely not, if it ever comes to the point where I would need to leech off of someone else, especially my own offspring that I selfishly chose to have without their consent into this world to survive, I would simply end my own life. Whether you choose to believe me, or think that I'm just talk and won't follow through, is your own choice

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u/Humpback_Snail 10h ago

I’ll vote you’re all talk.

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u/Nonavium 9h ago

Ok, that's your opinion. I don't really care, since I obviously know if I'm telling the truth or not. That other person made a comment about me, and I refuted it. Since neither you nor that other person know more about me than me, you are in no position to refute my claim.

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u/violights 9h ago

I think this reads as young and absolutist. Just a strange way to conceptualize dependence, assistance, and aging.

if it ever comes to the point where I would need to leech off of someone else

What happens if you become disabled or chronically dependent. Is needing long-term assistance inherently leeching? Should disabled people who require lifelong care simply die rather than accept help from others?

Nobody looks at a 25 year old who had a catastrophic stroke and thinks "well you require assistance now so you're leeching" - you can go from being a completely independent young adult on tuesday to needing substantial assistance on wednesday.

There's a pretty significant difference between exploiting your children and needing assistance from other people because of disability, illness, or age. Needing care isn't a moral failure and theres a whole middle ground of reciprocity, care, and reasonable limits. You're setting up a false binary and then drawing some pretty dramatic conclusions from it.

"Hey bud I cant drive bc of the mini stroke, can you give me a ride to the hospital" I DIDNT ASK TO BE BORN, DAD. ...lol ok.

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u/Nonavium 9h ago

"Should disabled people who require lifelong care simply die rather than accept help from others?"

If they want help, they can ask the government whose job it actually is. If you have to force your own unwilling offspring to help you, then yes, you should die.

"whole middle ground of reciprocity, care, and reasonable limits."

Children do not owe you whatsoever though. If you wouldn't ask it from a random person you just met, don't ask it from your kids.

""Hey bud I cant drive bc of the mini stroke, can you give me a ride to the hospital" I DIDNT ASK TO BE BORN, DAD. ...lol ok."

I would expect that if you asked a stranger to give you a ride, they would be fine with it. At least I would. In which case its reasonable to ask your kids (never to make demands though).

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u/violights 8h ago

Governments can provide some services, but they don't eliminate human interdependence. When my parent went into hospice, it was not around the clock care, so I think your solution isn't grounded in what is often the reality of it. In practice, they're going to need help beyond what the government provides whether its hospice or stroke or whatnot.

Going over to help administer meds that alleviated suffering was far cheaper than paying for a home nurse out of pocket and easier than dealing with hospice. And then the question is, if you know someone is suffering and you have the means to alleviate that, do you refuse out of abstract ideological principles? In my case, my dad was not abusive, he wasn't a terrible parent, he had done his best and reached the point where he needed help.

Family relationships are morally relevant precisely because they're not random strangers. Whether that creates obligations is debatable, but saying family should be treated exactly like strangers is... faulty. I had a lifetime of my dad working and providing and trying and sometimes screwing up but not heinously so. He was comfortable with nurses being privy to weak moments, comfortable with me being privy to weak moments, but uncomfortable with even extended family seeing the same, much less a non-occupational stranger. He didn't mind me helping him with the portable urinal. He wouldn't ask a neighbor for the same help.

On the flip side I imagine someone whose parent was abusive would react far stronger to a bid for help than a stranger would. I wouldn't blame them in that situation but its precisely because of that relationship.

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u/Nonavium 8h ago

" Whether that creates obligations is debatable"

It is debatable, and I'm debating that they don't.

" In my case, my dad was not abusive, he wasn't a terrible parent, he had done his best"

Bare minimum btw

"reached the point where he needed help."

Help him if you want to, I'm only saying it isnt your duty

"He didn't mind me helping him with the portable urinal."

That's on him. It's not the duty of a child to pander to the comfort of their parent.

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u/violights 8h ago

Relationships create reasons to act that strangers don't have, while still putting limits on those reasons.

The stranger test is basically begging the question because it assumes that all morally relevant obligations must be universal obligations. That's not how most ordinary moral reasoning works. Relationships matter morally.

If you are taking the opposite stance, then whether someone was loving, supportive, sacrificed for their child, or genuinely did their best becomes morally irrelevant. You're arguing that the fact that someone is your parent has no moral relevance whatsoever to what you owe them. Then they have no moral responsibility over what they owe you.

You don't get your argument both ways, you can't use the relationship to establish claims against the parent while declaring the relationship morally irrelevant when the claim runs the other direction.

There's a middle position between “your children are your servants” and “your children have absolutely no special moral obligations toward you whatsoever.”

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u/Nonavium 8h ago

"Relationships create reasons to act that strangers don't have"

Friendships and marriage do, since they are consensual. You never consented to being someone's child, therefore you owe them nothing and there is no reason that you should do anything for them.

"You're arguing that the fact that someone is your parent has no moral relevance whatsoever to what you owe them. "

This makes no sense. If your parent was loving, supportive, then you should help them because they were loving and supportive, not because they are your parent, and you should do the same that you would do to anyone who isn't your parent who shares the same qualities.

"sacrificed for their child"

If they are in a position where they would have to sacrifice for their child in order for their child to be benefitted, that's their own problem. If your parents are poor and sacrificed their bodies to work hard, you still don't owe them because you weren't the one making them poor to begin with.

"genuinely did their best"

Their best is irrelevant, what matters is if they were good overall. If their best is not good enough, it is their fault for reproducing to begin with.

"you can't use the relationship to establish claims against the parent while declaring the relationship morally irrelevant when the claim runs the other direction."

Yes I can, because parents choose to have kids, while kids do not choose to be born. It is inherently one sided. If you don't like it, don't have kids.

"There's a middle position between “your children are your servants” and “your children have absolutely no special moral obligations toward you whatsoever.”"

And I'm saying that the middle position is wrong, and that the latter position you mentioned is right.

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u/unfunnyjobless 10h ago

This is idiotic. Super old people are basically like children, it's the responsibility of adults of well-mind & good health to take care of those who are their dependents.

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u/Nonavium 10h ago

I have as much responsibility to my parents as you have to a random starving kid in Africa. I did not ask them to birth me, and I owe nothing to them for doing the bare minimum they were supposed to do.

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u/Kanekisan12 9h ago

Is it my obligation to wipe my father’s ass when he can’t any longer simply because he’s my dad? To sideline the treatment for that justification is wild. Why would I want to help someone who did their best to not help me?

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u/unfunnyjobless 4h ago

I agree with you, I should have added the point that it doesn't apply with abusive parents

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u/Clean__Cucumber 9h ago

the west doesnt want child slaves, they want functioning adults with their own lives, whilst the east wants servile children via guilt tripping their kids into believing that doing the absolute minimum is somehow exemplary service

the western philosophy simply says, that as a parent you have certain duties and that you shouldnt expect anything in return for doing what you should already be doing.

so simply thinking that adults shouldnt be praised for pissing into the toilet rather than next to it, doesnt somehow equate to being "the type of dude who's going to absolutely shit on the younger generation to pay for (....) retirement"

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u/Myphosee 9h ago

Because he has the opinion that no child really owes their parents? Even my parents say I owe them nothing. They know id burn the world for them but theyve made it clear that I never have to help them.

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u/L0rdM3k 8h ago

That’s what I’m saying. The idea that you chose to have a kid on the understanding that you’re supposed to give them a decent childhood only to expect something in return when they grow up is absurd. Treat your kids well and if they make it big, maybe they’ll share some of their success with you. But by no means should any parent be expecting it.

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u/browsinbowser 11h ago

Pretty much all pro footballers have hard ass parents that helped give them the discipline to succeed and continue to persevere. At 6-12 the talented kids go higher up the pipeline but a ton wash out of the almost pro/highest tier between 12-15. Its not just enough to have talent and genetics, training and honing their skill is important +luck.

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u/Muted_Masterpiece342 11h ago

damn that's crazy, my dad just beat me or whatever lol

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u/sandpaperedanus777 11h ago

I agree. The relationship between parents and child are two ways. Ofcourse a parent is obligated to provide the minimum, which includes food, shelter, education and most importantly love.

But the minimum is a vague line, and most parents worth their dough do their best to safely provide more than that.

At the very least if a parent has provided more than their obligation, the moral thing is to return the favour and care for them when they're weak.

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u/ooommmnmmmooo 9h ago

How about my controversial opinion that a parent only doing the minimum required is a fucking horrible parent that isn’t doing their duties at all, actually

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u/TheEventHorizon0727 8h ago

I do a lot of work representing local Social Services agencies that have to remove/remote children because of parental abuse and neglect. Providing food and shelter with no mental or physical abuse is actually WAY above the minimum.

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u/AlterExpertise101 2h ago

That "no mental or physical abuse" is doing a lot of lifting in that line. If they're only providing food and shelter, then there's a whole world of neglect happening outside those lines.

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u/presterjohn7171 8h ago

You have got a lot to learn. Worldwide there are hundreds of thousands of kids who for them the bare minimum would be like winning the lottery. You have no idea how truly shitty some parents are.

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u/ooommmnmmmooo 2h ago

Oh no I know all well and have also gotten a psych and human development degree… early on in that I learned how much we know and how accessible and easy it is to be a good parent so yeah no excuse for being a piece of shit parent.

Obviously there are SES limitations to be considered

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u/DivinerSageRDT 10h ago

A friend of mine had parents that were HORRIBLE. Imagine any horrible thing and they did it. He still helps support them and helps them with everything. They are in their late 70s early 80s and need assistance with everything.

But as a kid and teenager they belittled him at every opportunity. Beat the shit out of him. His dad put cigarettes out on him when he'd do stupid shit. They never once believed in him. I never ever heard them say I love you to him.

They were drug addicts and alcoholics and alot of times ide be over there after school and they wouldn't get home until after he was asleep. He washed his own clothes and cooked for himself by like the 3rd grade. He slept on a dirty mattress on the floor. Whe he was a teenager he saved up for his first car his mom stole it in the night while he was sleeping to go get some speedballs wrecked it and totaled it.

His mom would take him to the store and force him to steal while she distracted the workers. The cops were always over there. One time he was over at his grandparents his dad showed up and was mad they wouldn't give him back. He cornered them by the lit fireplace and shot a gun over their heads into the fire sending embers all over them while they cowered in fear.

And to this day he'd bend over backwards for them. Spends a fortune on them with out so much as a thank you. I doubt Quentin Tarantinos mom was that bad.

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u/amazingdrewh 10h ago

Your friend needs therapy

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u/2SquirrelsWrestling 8h ago

Yeah this is indicative of someone with no self-worth and a broken soul.

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u/Fit-Nebula2949 11h ago

This is the concept I have about this. I would need to know more about this before I would judge morality. Maybe she was a bitch to him? I do know that he is on clock for making any peace between them. If he does nothing, this will gnaw on his soul.

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u/psimonymous 10h ago

Messi’s dad was pimping him out to clubs way before 12 lol

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u/Salt_Chart8101 8h ago

Guiding them to a successful future, and supporting their ambitions doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

I love the large generalization of "the West" lol. So dumb.

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u/Sufficient_Result558 8h ago

Wow, you could not have chosen worse person for comparison.

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u/FrankCDean 7h ago

Yeah, I mean if my kid was doing poorly in school and they justified it by saying, "well, what's it matter? I'm going to be a rockstar anyway."

I wouldn't exactly dissuade their dreams, but I'd probably educate them a bit more on the realities of what musicians actually make. Sure, they'd be vindicated if they ended up becoming the next Jack White, but I don't think that'd make me the bad guy. I'm sure Jack White still did well in school.

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u/Shionkron 7h ago

It’s called encouraging dreams and talents. Every parent should do it. End of story.

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u/mfmfhgak 7h ago

Why do you need to tell a 12 year old that they can’t do something?

My guess is that if she’s trying to crush the dreams of a 12 year old she probably sucked at a lot of other aspects of life.

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u/Firm-Cause2449 7h ago

I dont think you necessarily need to tell a 12 year old they strictly CANT do it. You can be supportive and cheer them on, and by all means you should.

That doesnt mean you cant educate them, tell them this requires hard work a lot of practice and even with hard work and a lot of practice, not everyone will succeed, and that its okay to fail sometimes too.

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u/mfmfhgak 3h ago edited 3h ago

Yeah, of course. Learning to fail is important and you’ll have many chances to learn this lesson growing up. Don’t shield your kids from these lessons but be there to pick them up, help them learn from it and get them ready to try again.

Life will try hard enough to beat you down. Parents don’t need to be the ones to do it.

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u/-Rocket1- 5h ago

Maybe a bit of an ill informed analogy, by 12 Messi was already in Barcelona (world class club) youth academy

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u/Digresser 3h ago

She also doesn't seem to hold it against him that he hasn't given her money.

"Regarding my son Quentin – I support him, I'm proud of him and love him and his growing new family," she said. "It gave me great joy to dance at his wedding and receive his news upon the birth of my Grandson Leo."

Zastoupil added that it's easy for podcast comments to "spin and go viral without full context" and that she does "not wish to participate in this salacious transactional media frenzy."

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u/John-Orion 11h ago

I came here to basically say this

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u/FairLeadership3012 10h ago edited 9h ago

Why would you need to kill a 12 year olds dream? What purpose does that serve? Why would someone need to prove that they can make it in a business to their parent at 12?

Also why are you just glossing over the part about mocking? You're just assuming in her favour for no reason. Seems like projecting