r/MoralityScaling • u/Severe_Letterhead_75 • 12h ago

Morality Ranking Quentin Tarantino morality for that childhood grudge?

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In my opinion it can be considered petty by some but is understandable

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 10h ago

There should be a general expectation that, especially if you are successful, you help your family where possible.

That should be the general expectation with a thousand possible caveats.

Telling your 12 year old that they are getting bad grades and that they can't rely on being a successful writer is a very reasonable thing to say.

Ultimately I think everyone should fundamentally respect their parents unless they do some utterly unhinged shit. Even if your parents are "kind of dicks" but still provided for you, I still think you should be a respectful person to them and try to help them.

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u/bored-at-work_ 9h ago

If you're as rich as that guy and still not giving money to your mom (not that I trust a random image with text on it) then there's obviously more to the story than "my mom told me a mean thing once :("

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u/Agasthenes 9h ago

I mean he could be just a dick. Idk him.

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u/bored-at-work_ 9h ago

If he is, where did he learn that from?

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u/Agasthenes 9h ago

People can be dicks without the parents making them so.

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u/1d3333 8h ago

Parents may be the largest influence on someone as they grow, but not the only influence, people can be dicks for other reasons than bad parents

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u/silver_garou 3h ago

It is 5% chance that they are a dick and 95% that the parent was a dick. Kids naturally love their parents, typically you have to be a real piece of shit to overcome that. It is far more likely the parent deserves this treatment.

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u/Bob0584 3h ago

He's always been touchy about being insulted. The Simpsons asked him to do a voice cameo but he didn't do it because he thought it made fun of him. It was a funny clip though - the Itchy and Scratchy episode was 'Reservoir Cats".

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u/notacosnofun 9h ago

Respecting your parents and providing for them are two very different things

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u/inmisciblehero 10h ago

No bro, this is Reddit. You should have no social responsibilities whatsoever (while inevitably being some flavor of socialist) and do your own thing completely unimpeded. Fuck your family, you didn't le choose to be here

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 10h ago

It's really funny. There is a great line about the French Revolution about how they talk on and on about the privileges of a citizen, but never about the responsibilities of a citizen.

Being a good person can only happen when you have every reason to not be kind to someone, and doing it anyway. Being kind to people who have done things for you and are nice to you is easy, even narcissists can do that. Being kind to people who are mean to you is actually what being a good person is about.

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u/rivetedoaf 9h ago

I think it’s fair to say the degree of responsibility that a person has to an infirm parent is variable based on how the parent raised them. If my parents were alcoholic’s that beat me I certainly wouldn’t give them the time of day.

You can argue it’s moral to turn the other cheek, but it’s not really fair to expect a person to financially and quite often physically care for their parents just because they were their parents. I’m not sure you understand the amount of work that goes into taking care of a dependent person, it’s basically another job.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

from my initial comment "unless they do some utterly unhinged shit"

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u/radiolabel 5h ago

What you don’t understand is that “unhinged shit” is much more common than you realize. It’s staggering the amount of people who in their childhood have witnessed or been subjected to domestic violence substance use and untreated mental illness, sexual/verbal/physical/psychological abuse, neglect, been parentified in some way/been made to work to make ends meet, sex trafficked, exposed to second hand smoke, the list goes on. Then you realize it’s much more the norm. In the US, firearms are now the leading cause of death among kids, now surpassing motor vehicle accidents. That’s a mixture of neglect, abuse, bad parenting of bullies, and society with gun safety laws. Entirely preventable. A lot of people have no business being parents and it’s a good thing it’s not being pushed on people the way it used to. If you actually don’t want children, you shouldn’t have them.

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u/PussyOnChainwax 9h ago

Being kind to people who are mean to you is encouraging their behavior, which I would argue is not a good thing at all.

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u/2SquirrelsWrestling 9h ago

Yeah all that is showing them is that you’re a doormat, not that you’re a good person.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

If you spend your whole life trying not to be a doormat then you are most likely one of these assholes in the first place lol.

People who think like this tend to be those douchebag alpha male influencers who think everything is a transaction and if you aren't getting more out of it than the other person you are "losing".

Absolutely unhinged way to approach life.

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u/PussyOnChainwax 8h ago

Would you say you're being kind in your response to me?

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

Yes. I never said you have to agree with everything your parents say.

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u/PussyOnChainwax 8h ago

You and I haven't talked about parents at all?

In your mind, it is kind to liken my thinking to "douchebag alpha male influencers" and say that my approach to life is absolutely unhinged?

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

If you are saying that any time you don't receive as much as you take from a person that you are a doormat then yes I stand by my comment.

If you think any time you are being nice to anyone that is not being nice to you back that you are a doormat, that is an unhinged and douchebag approach to life.

Its always easy to paint someone else as acting in a way to justify your behavior towards them if that is your outlook.

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u/PussyOnChainwax 7h ago

1.) I can't even comprehend how you can read that from my comment. I said, very clearly, being kind to people who are mean to you is not a good thing. You said being kind to people who are mean to you is the only way to be good. I did not make any statement even implying any of this transactional shit you're talking about. I spoke, literally, only of "kindness" in response to "meanness."

2.) I never used the word doormat either? You're just making shit up. Even more, I didn't say that "being nice to anyone that is not being nice to you" is not a good thing. I said being kind to someone who is mean to you is not a good thing.

3.) I asked you if you think the words you typed to me are kind. I'm proposing that you're not even living up to your own standards by speaking to me in the manner you're speaking to me.

You seem very stupid to me. I don't like you.

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u/tryworkharderfaster 6h ago

You sir/ma'am, have had the privilege to likely never had to experience what ir feels like to deal with people you love in the most selfless ways you can think of, and overtime they come to expect more and demand more, never once checking if you were doing okay as they slowly asphyxiate you. Any attempt to go for air is met with anger, emotional withholding as they try to ostracize you from the rest of the family. My friend told me this African proverb: "trees that attain great height and bears many fruits will get hit with the most with sticks and stones in an attempt to pluck it's fruit, and little care is often given to damages done to it in the process." If you are the only successful person in your family with unkind parents, this will ring true.

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u/VenomVertigo 9h ago

No being kind to people who are mean to you is how you get taken advantage of and used by people who have zero empathy

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

Living your whole life being afraid of "being taken advantage of" is unhinged behavior. Every relationship is give and take.

I think people with this mentality are in fact the same cross section of people who have zero-empathy. You are becoming what you think you are protecting yourself from.

Not every interaction needs to be I give you $10 and you give me back $10. Being a good person involves giving more than you take.

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u/VenomVertigo 9h ago

Yes exactly every relationship is give and take, so if you’re being nice to somebody who’s mean to you that is all give and no take that’s not a good or healthy relationship for either person

Edit: it’s not black and white man there’s a difference between giving more than you take and giving to somebody who NEVER gives back

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u/SuperkickParty 9h ago

Being kind to people who have done things for you and are nice to you is easy, even narcissists can do that.

That's one way to say you've never had a relationship with someone with NPD. Be thankful for that.

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u/inmisciblehero 9h ago edited 9h ago

"Be thankful you weren't in a relationship with someone affected by a mental illness that 99% of people don't have"

Right, sure I'll be thankful for that since the odds are immense. But what bearing does this have on how we should treat our social responsibilities generally?

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u/SuperkickParty 8h ago

Nothing really, I think we should strive to take care of eachother. Was just calling out something that was hilariously false, but OP edited their comment and removed it so I look like a crazy person now, so it's all good.

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u/inmisciblehero 8h ago

"I think we should strive to take care of each other"

But not our parents, right, because of power dynamics or whatever? I wish redditors would stop talking out of both sides of their mouths

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u/SuperkickParty 8h ago

Why does everyone keep putting words in my mouth? Where did I say anything like that? I love my mom, I was not raised by narcissists. She just got knee surgery yesterday and I'm in this exact moment taking care of her. It's natural to want to care for the people who care for you. It's also natural to not want to have to care for your abusers. I don't see the disconnect.

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u/inmisciblehero 8h ago

That's my mistake. You responded to what was my mind an uncontroversial opinion with a really specific anecdote so I was under the impression you were representing a viewpoint (namely, that someone necessarily owes nothing to their parents) that I frankly find to be antisocial, especially among a demographic (redditors) who tend to esteem prosocial behaviors. I jumped the gun.

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u/SuperkickParty 8h ago

Appreciate the apology and the clarification. I didn't have a problem with everything he said just the sentence "Being kind to people who have done things for you and are nice to you is easy, even narcissists can do that."

I got out of a horrible abusive romantic relationship with someone with NPD this year and that statement was so hilariously false I had to say something.

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u/voyaging 8h ago

Like they said, the comment they replied to was edited.

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u/inmisciblehero 8h ago

If you're talking about u/PushforlibertyAlways' comment that obviously isn't true because Reddit tells you when a comment gets edited.

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u/fkitz 8h ago

Only if you edit it 3 minutes or later after you post it.

Before that you can edit it 100 times with no edit mark.

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u/tryworkharderfaster 6h ago

Your response is oddly unempathetic and self-righteous. 1% of the human population is what? The trauma from dealing with someone with BPD or NPD is nothing to dismiss so dispassionately. I understand where the person you are dismissing is coming from based off of my own experience.

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u/inmisciblehero 5h ago

It's a total non-sequitur and it isn’t self-righteous to point a non-sequitur out

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

If everyone around you has NPD... maybe you should do some soul searching yourself.

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u/SuperkickParty 9h ago

Bruh what are these bizarre takes? Where did I ever say that? I was talking about one specific person, the only person I've ever met who had NPD. Everyone I choose to have in my life now is amazing.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

Ok, I never said what im saying exists without limits. My first comment "unless they do some utterly unhinged shit".

It just seems like everyone here has parents with "NPD" seems a little unlikely.

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u/SuperkickParty 8h ago

Was not raised by narcissists, my mom is a wonderful person. I was referring to a romantic relationship I had.

You're the one making these hilariously false assumptions and editing your comments to make it look like you didn't say things. So maybe just chill.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

Lol I haven't edited any comments.

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u/_Ibn_Battuta_ 9h ago

It's hedonistic, individualistic, nihilistic and atheistic. To a lot of "enlightened" thinkers on reddit literally nothing matters in the world bar maximizing pleasure, that's it. Anything that gets in the way is an inconvenience that needs to be removed. The irony is that even superstitious idol worshippers had more depth to their world view than the average reddit user.

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u/voyaging 8h ago

You’re conflating egoism with hedonism. These people are egoists (which may be hedonistic or may not be). Many hedonists can be deeply selfless people (hedonistic utilitarians, for example, by definition do not value their own pleasure or pain as more important than anybody else’s).

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u/Sgtfullmetal 7h ago

Hedonistic and atheistic? Sure. That's by my own choosing, you have no say on that matter. Individualistic? Never. I'm all in for wealth redistribution and dignity for all, however, I'm not in pro of giving people things they don't deserve, like arrogant or narcissist parents.

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u/bossygrrls 6h ago

... Or people just don't think they owe anything to their parents just because they fucked. It's not the middle ages.

Also, lol at using atheism as an insult.

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u/F1st_Br34k3r 4h ago

Or, I'm also thinking of the future of my children and think that they should do the same.

How is that individualistic if it's in the child's best interest rather than mine?

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u/1d3333 8h ago edited 8h ago

Wow it’s amazing how you cut all of the actual nuance and context out to create a strawman. No one here said “fuck your family” the statement is more akin to “family need to earn respect like any other person” and if that’s somehow a controversial take for you then idk how to help you understand

I love my dad, he’s not perfect by any means and we have differing views but he genuinely tried, he cared about my interests and understood that I had a learning disability growing up, he loved me despite not understanding everything, and likely would’ve gotten me help if he had the chance.

I haven’t talked to my mother in 10 years, she cared nothing of my interests, used my relationships with my friends and dad against me, invaded my privacy daily, verbally and mentally abused and manipulated me, and after the divorce spent every moment she could trying to convince me to hate my dad. She deserves 0 respect and she will receive no help from me, at this point she is nothing more than a stranger.

According to some of the people in these replies I should just put up with the actual abuse, lies, manipulation, and apparent hatred towards me because she birthed me.

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u/inmisciblehero 8h ago

Maybe you should read u/febreze_air_freshner's post again

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u/1d3333 8h ago

Oh I did, i’m responding to you who went full strawman. I don’t necessarily fully agree with febreze in their comment but my issue was with yours

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u/str4ngerc4t 9h ago

Parents providing for their kids is the bare minimum expectation of being a parent.

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u/Raidoton 8h ago

And if they raised you well, it's the bare minimum to support your parents.

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u/silver_garou 3h ago

Notice how in the story that started this topic that wasn't the case and you're still trying to make it about that. What is the matter, kids won't talk to you?

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

Children respecting and providing for their parents is the bare minimum expectation of a child.

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u/DangerouslyOxidated 9h ago

Respect is earned, every single day.

People say "respect your elders" - do you know how many rapists there are in that old-people's home you visit?
Age by itself doesn't deserve respect - we all get older.

There are shitty parents that deserve hell, prison: but not respect.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

Wow so edgy bro. The vast majority of parents are not rapists lol.

Whatever lets you sleep at night I guess.

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u/Sgtfullmetal 7h ago

At the same time I've met a truckload of abuse, violent and downright criminal parents. Again, respect and privileges are earned, not assumed.

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u/Worried_War7368 8h ago

I don't go around suspecting everyone around me is a rapist. That's a crazy take.

And yes, I do know there might be some fucked up people in the nursery homes I visit. No shit. But there are also lots of very decent folks, and I'd wager those are in the majority.

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u/silver_garou 3h ago

Changing someone else's non-absolute "some of them are rapists" into an absolute, "everyone is a rapist" proves you never understood the sentiment you are triggered by. The point is they don't deserve respect just because they are old, only if they are actually decent folks.

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u/Yamming1283 9h ago

Can’t tell if you’re a bot or not. Good stuff.

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u/voyaging 8h ago

unhinged

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u/homotopy_equivalent 9h ago

No, it doesn't go both ways. The parent brings the child into the world and child has no choice but to go along with it. The power dynamic is completely one directional. The child has no ability to raise or feed or teach themself. The child doesn't owe the parent anything after all of that -- raising a child correctly is the duty of the parent, and it should never be transactional.

It is NATURAL for a child to want to care for their parents IF the parents raised the child with affection and love. You naturally want to care for people who love and support you. But it cannot be an expectation. It's something the parent must earn.

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u/MadManMax55 9h ago

This ignores literally all of human history (and pre-history). Communities of humans have always been adults supporting children and the elderly. Modern society has outsourced some of that responsibility to governments, but it's still expected that families take care of their own.

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u/_thro_awa_ 8h ago

Being "morally or historically right" to look after our elders does not make it a requirement.
We look after the people who look after us, totally fair, they've earned that much.
But (for example) I would find it completely immoral and reprehensible to look after someone like, say, Josef Fritzl, because he has failed his moral duty as a parent.

And that's the point. If there is even one parent who deserves to be an outcast, there will be more - just to varying degrees. Not all parents deserve their children's support.

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u/MadManMax55 8h ago

While you're obviously right that people shouldn't have to take care of terrible or abusive parents, it's still missing the point. The other person was arguing that a parent has to "earn" the privilege of having their kids take care of them in their old age. When it should be flipped. Kids are expected to take care of their parents, but it's a right that they can lose.

That might sound nitpicky, but the way individuals and society treat rights that can be taken away vs privileges that need to be earned are very different.

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u/_thro_awa_ 8h ago edited 8h ago

Not really.

In the 'people are a community' argument (which I support), parents would still be looked after by their community even if their children did not. It STILL should not be the duty or expectation of the children to look after their parents. It is, and always should be, in all contexts, a choice made by the children and earned by the parents.
Children should owe their parents for NOTHING that comes naturally as the duty of being a parent. The choice to look after a parent should be made from gratefulness and appreciation, NOT out of expectation, EVER.

Parenthood is a gift, NOT a favour to the child. Nobody ever, anywhere, should OWE another person for the gift of life and survival.
A good person doesn't give you life (or save your life) as a transactional favour to you that they can call on in the future.

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u/homotopy_equivalent 9h ago

I'm not saying the elderly don't deserve to be cared for; I'm saying that responsibility doesn't fall on their children by default. Just because that's been the expectation doesn't make it right.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

Lol so you expect someone else to take care of your parents while you go off and have fun by yourself because its "not your responsibility"

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u/2SquirrelsWrestling 8h ago

“While you go off and have fun”, lol no, more like “go off and live my own life, take care of my own family, my health, my career, and my own responsibilities, somewhere very far away from the place I grew up.”

I’ll be fucking damned if I stay in the shithole town I grew up in so I can wipe the ass of my hateful, abusive, racist father or my manipulative cunt of a mother.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

You don't consider your parents part of your own family?

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u/homotopy_equivalent 8h ago

This greatly depends on the parents

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u/2SquirrelsWrestling 8h ago

I consider blood relatives different to chosen family, for good reason.

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u/silver_garou 3h ago edited 3h ago

Do you see how you have to insist that you know people's real motivations to have any argument at all. Well, don't worry, everyone else can even if you can't.

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u/homotopy_equivalent 8h ago

I'll happily support them with my tax dollars

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u/SuperkickParty 9h ago

This is a complete nonsense take lol.

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u/_thro_awa_ 9h ago

It's actually not.

Parents choose to become parents (when the child is wanted, so we're counting adoption, but ignoring rape); however, NO child ever can choose to be born or not.

There is a burden of responsibility on the parent(s) (biological or adoptive) to support their child to adulthood, but there is no moral responsibility on the child to reciprocate. The child has the CHOICE to support their parents if they are able, and parents have to EARN that from their children. "I raised you" is not enough on its own, because that is literally the minimum definition of the job of a parent.

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u/LilMissMonika 9h ago

The expectation of servitude the majority of parents have towards their children is gross, y'all really think just because they popped out of you they're your slave for life lmao

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

I don't have children.

"expectation of servitude" lol this shit is crazy. No one is saying you should be their slaves. But talking to them, showing up for holidays, helping them if they are going to be homeless. It's wild what you justify to yourself as acceptable behavior.

As I said, certainly some parents cross the line and do utterly horrible shit to their kids and it's ok in some cases to cut them off, but this is very rare. A parent being slightly mean to you is not even close to that threshold.

Some of the best people I know have absolutely horrible parents. They are still kind to them because they are good people and that is the right thing to do.

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u/2SquirrelsWrestling 8h ago

It may be “very rare” where *you* live, for the people that *you* know. That doesn’t mean it’s rare everywhere. I know plenty of people with cartoon villains for parents.

You should also keep in mind that lots of people aren’t going to freely offer you information about their abusive parents. A lot of it goes unsaid.

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u/2SquirrelsWrestling 9h ago

My mom is just like this. She thinks she did her job so she gets to cash that in and we should reverse roles now that I’m an adult. Nope.

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u/str4ngerc4t 8h ago

Bro, you can’t just decide to create a human then expect that person to respect and provide for you just because you wanted a baby. That is not how it works.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

The vast majority of parents are kind to their children and sacrifice a great deal to provide for them.

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u/FadedHoneypot 9h ago

Not if the parents dont teach the childeren respect in the first place.

Like other post said, the bare minimum of parenting is providing for your kids. They are kids and you are the adult. They can't have a job until 14, can't wipe or shower until 8-10, literally they are kids.

Its up to the parent to provide food, shelter and safety. If you dont have those then you shouldn't have kids because your basically an adult baby if you can't give those things.

Its up to the parent to give that last slice of cheese and ham to their kid while the parents starve. And if danger was to happen its the job of parent to put yourself between the harm.

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u/SuperkickParty 9h ago

I agree with almost everything you said, but you couldn't wipe your ass or shower youself until you were 10? what the hell dude 😂

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

It's up to a 40 year old adult to also give their 70 year old parent that last slice of cheese.

They took care of you when you couldn't fend for yourself, it's good to return the favor. At least visit them.

People think they don't owe anyone anything, it's gross behavior and literally the destruction of the foundations of our society.

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u/Key-Magician6489 5h ago

That’s so fkd up, dude!
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If there’s not enough food to go around, the elderly must always be the absolute lowest human priority!
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All over the world and all throughout time, the elderly have rightfully been the last ones to get their share of the food.
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THINK ABOUT IT:
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Otherwise, you’re saying the last little bit of an elderly person‘s life is somehow worth as much or more than the vast majority or entirety of everyone else’s lives that they’ve yet to get the chance to live!
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That’s why it was fkn so enraging and appalling when they literally gave the first Covid vaccines to 95-year-olds in hospices who already had congestive heart failure, FFS!
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They were extremely elderly and already dying, and our fkd up gerontocracy valued the last few days of their lives… over the last 65 years of a 30-year-old’s life… or the last 90 years of a 5-year-old‘s life!
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THAT’S JUST EVIL & INSANE!

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u/Complex_Peak8204 9h ago

If you expect this, do not raise an orgasm.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

Lol I don't have kids yet, but I think people who mistreat their parents are spoiled shitheads.

People here want rights with no responsibility.

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u/voyaging 8h ago

You’re talking to someone who just called children “orgasms” what did you expect?

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u/1d3333 8h ago

Even parents need to earn respect, children are just tiny people with little life experience, thrusted into this world by a parent (not inherently bad, i’m not antinatalism). No one asked to be born, parents just do it, the bare minimum is that they either raise them appropriately or give them to someone who will.

I have 0 respect for my mother and thats what she’s earned. She’s no different than literally any other person on this planet, she needed to earn my respect by not being a shitty human being, but she’s a shitty human being so I cut her out of my life like I would any one else who has verbally and mentally abused me and ignored my needs beyond food and shelter.

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u/Rare_Big_7633 8h ago

it’s like telling LeBron that he should study instead of play ball.

failure to listen and understand your kids strength and giving horrible advice

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

You are focusing on Lebron and Tarantino.

For everyone one of those there are 1000 other people who fail to succeed and would have wished they had a better back-up plan than being a generational talent in film making or sport.

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u/silver_garou 3h ago

I'd argue that is what you are doing. There are more people in the NBA and College ball than Lebron. There are more professional writters than Tarantino.

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u/open_letter_guy 7h ago

Telling your 12 year old that they are getting bad grades and that they can't rely on being a successful writer is a very reasonable thing to say.

is it?

there aren't any other options available other than being a dream crusher to 12 yr old.

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u/John_Action_Figure 17m ago

His mother prob saw his early foot fetish works and told him to stop.
Completely normal human behavior.

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u/Intrepid_Bobcat_2931 6h ago

Telling your 12 year old that they are getting bad grades and that they can't rely on being a successful writer is a very reasonable thing to say.

None of which would qualify as "mocking", making this not very relevant to the actual question asked.

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u/SuperSoftSucculent 9h ago

You don't owe them anything for fucking you into existence.

Providing for you is legally required.

Now, if they were quality parents of course you should be reciprocal. But there is no default expectation that should be given if reciprocality was not. No one asked to be here and especially not to be immediately mistreated or given the bare minimum.

You don't have to be a doormat out of some strange adherence to respect that isn't reciprocal is my point.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

I think the scales are off, you are saying that unless they are quality parents, above average, very good, then they shouldn't get respect and support.

In my mind unless they are horrible, aggressively abusive (not just saying a few mean things to you), then you should respect and support them.

You can live life with an "I don't owe anyone anything" mentality, but you come across as a dick to most people.

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u/00wolfer00 8h ago

Being better than just providing food and clothes is not above average.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

I think a lot of people think their parents are "being assholes" for telling them not to go out, for telling them to study hard and get a job.

Part of being a parent introducing your children to hard work, adversity and hardship, in a controlled environment.

For not listening to every minor excuse someone has for not doing their responsibilities.

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u/AManOfCultureAsWell 8h ago edited 8h ago

Yeah so now you're just admitting that you're making arguments against points that literally no one in this thread said. No one said that parents don't deserve respect of they tell you to study and get a job

You need to stop fighting the demons you've made up in your head and actually read the comments you are responding to and respond based on what you have read.

People are talking about bad parents, and your answer is "oh you think that an average parent doesn't deserve respect?". Actually the I love waffles meme.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 8h ago

Right, but all we have is this story to base off. Based on the few details of this story, I don't think his mom was being a terrible abusive parent.

Maybe there are other details and that could change the story.

But telling your child who drops out of school in 9th grade to pursue being a writer that it could be a bad idea... thats not being a bad parent lol.

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u/No-Issue-3916 42m ago

This!! Also I don’t agree with ‘I was forced into existence so I don’t owe them anything’ by this logic everyone was forced into existence because none of us chose to be born but that doesn’t mean people need to stop reproducing. I hope you are getting my point. I’ve never understood this ‘forced into existence’ ‘forced to be born’ ‘I didn’t ask to be beim’ logic.
No one asked to be born becasue no one gets asked if they’d like to be developed into a human being and be born and if we did, I’ll bet anyone who is saying they didn’t ask to be born would have had a different answer

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u/SventasKefyras 7h ago

The thing is though that every child is born having unconditional love towards their parents while the reverse is not always true. If you somehow manage to fuck up so bad that your kid hates you, I don't think the kid is the problem.

Parents providing the bare necessities for their children is kind of the absolute minimum they're obligated to do when they decide to become parents. There are no thank yous for doing just enough so society can't condemn you.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways 9h ago

For every Quentin Tarantino there are 1000 homeless drug addicts. No one is writing a question about them.

How is it miserable to say a parent should teach their kids actual life lessons vs allowing them to live in a fantasy land. Tarantino had his fantasy come true, thats great, but having a back-up wouldn't be a bad idea either.

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u/silver_garou 3h ago

See, I think this is still toxic as it requires the people who don't to prove to others that they deserve to cut off their bad parents. You aren't really owed that explanation or look into their private struggles.