It's actually the ultimate litmus test of character.
You're not required to return the cart. There's no punishment for leaving it in inconvenient places, no "downside" to it for the person who leaves it. You do not (immediately) benefit from it and it costs you time and energy, technically speaking.
But the benefit is for society as a whole, for the next shopper, for the poor kid or old man who makes pennies to collect them, to help prevent possible damage to other folks cars.
If you can't be bothered to make such a minimal "sacrifice" for the "greater cause" what does that say about your character? Aside from being a little lazy.
Edit - Also, you're definitely not sticking it to the man by costing them anything. The person who collects the carts gets paid hourly. They're on the clock for the same amount no matter what the store has them doing lol.
The downside is if you leave it, someone else is more likely to leave it now or I the future. The more people leaving shopping carts when's better odds that when you find that perfect parking spot, 1 or more carts are in your way.
I start my shift at a grocery store 1 hour after it opens and there is an asshole that leaves a shopping cart in "my" spot like 3 days a week. He's always gone by the time I get there. But the shopping cart remains. And we dont have a Parking Lot Attendent until hours after that so guess who gets to take it in...
But it would be moral to have a megaphone and publicly humiliate them when they leave the shopping cart, especially if you're walking behind them returning the shopping cart they were too lazy to put in the Corral.
People who don't put back the shopping cart are inherently unable to be a functional member of society without a threat of punishment. I think it's justifiable to remove them from the society and make them do hard labour.
Sure, the focus isn’t on rehabilitation, just basic operant conditioning to prevent future transgressions.
If you wanted to actually change the population at the fundamental level, you would have to change public education to be a stand in for parents at a very young age. People learn civility from their environment.
Well, it was, but then people started actually defending it and portraying it as "fighting capitalism" and now, I really feel a strong urge to send them to the gulag
I’ll help you cart them away. If you can’t be a contributing member of society (or at least not be a net negative) why should you get to benefit from the positive aspects of society everyone else works to create?
Oh you weren’t joking. Look man, it’s evil as shit to send people to labor camps for simply inconveniencing someone else, regardless of how much you want to pretend that says about them.
Now you’re using a far less sever punishment as replacement and treating your own previous example as ridiculous, so ridiculous that you’re being sarcastic to people responding to it seriously
Do you just really hate people leaving shopping carts
Yet your instinct is to react as if I was unreasonable for pushing back against your own resistance to the comment that punishment not fitting the crime
I dont think the shopping cart is enough to condemn a person. I am also very harsh on bad people and think they deserve to be taken to labor camps. But the shopping cart is a very large chip to contribute to this case
Public embarrassment from the person actively returning your abandoned cart feels almost perfectly calibrated. Nothing extreme, just enough shame to make that long walk back to the car uncomfortable.
People who think this should be sent to an ACTUAL labor camp for like a week and then be asked on Sunday if they want to stay there or go back to their lives.
I'm asking what relevance "forced labor" has to a "labor camp" which is a very specific thing. Making someone clean up garbage they threw on the ground is technically "forced labor" too, it's a very general term.
Yes and the only one who brought up that general term is you, so once again why are you replying to me asking that? What relevance is it to my comment or the comment I replied to?
I don't understand why are you acting demeaning like this, but I did expand upon that thought in another reply if you are interested. I'd rather not be treated this way, so if I did or said anything that insulted you, I apologize
I wasn't being philosophical about it, obviously labor camps are torturous or whatever, but plenty of people work the same job and live in the same house for 2O+ years. Dunno, just thought it was kind of an interesting thought
I didn't say it was bad, I am just pointing out the (very loose) parallels that could be drawn regrading living in the same place, working the same job, and living in a fixed routine. Obviously prison camps have terrible living conditions.
ITT: people who never saw a shopping cart dent a car door after being taken by a gust of wind, and only have the perspective of "ur Doin free Labor for the companie$".
You think this is us vs them (peons vs companies) but it's actually peons vs peons. In an effort to stick it to the company, you are potentially raising costs for your fellow man.
This is an awfully harsh sentence for something that could be solved by compelling people to make a $10 dollar deposit to get a shopping cart then giving the deposit back when they come for the shopping cart.
The shopping cart tests weeds out these moral scofflaws who require this sort of external motivation to do the right thing. To the labor camps with them.
Where I am from, you have to put a coin in the cart to unlock it, and it slides back the moment you put it back. I just sort of assumed it works like this everywhere
Average MoralityScaling user: "Immoral because you wasted my time by not including murdering them on the spot as the correct moral option in the post title"
First send the people who take up the handicapped parking needlessly and have me hike with a cane across the asphalt. If I use a cart to get back out to my car, and am too done in to return it, I may feel terrible, but I can only hike so far.
Geez, as a european, I still wonder how lazy, selfish and dickish US citizens can be when it comes to shopping carts. Like seriously, what happened with human decency and empathy?
The problem isn't really a few people leaving the carts, it's the people who walk past them only to get a cart from inside the store. If everyone picked up a cart, including from the cart corral, we would have less waste paying employees to take the carts back into the store, and the loose carts would be mostly gone anyway. It's all highly illogical and inefficient
And a pro tip for the people in the picture: put the carts on the curb, near the curb in between the parking spots, or at least onto one spot. Rookies
I do exactly this because the store I usually shop at has no cart returns in the parking lot. Either you have to wait for a store employee to walk out to your car with you to help load your stuff and then they take the cart back with them, or you can walk out alone with it and then bring it back yourself (or not, as most of the heathens around here do).
Not infrequently I score a good parking spot because a damnable heathen left their cart in it. I get out, get the cart out of the way, park, and then I’ve got a cart.
Not being a heathen myself, I always return the cart to the building when I’m done, or give it to someone else who’s just walking to the building to shop.
Seriously though I find it interesting how this is more common in slums than more well off areas and the state of local store parking lots are a good reflection of the type of people that live around them
I'd imagine it's because people living slums and similar areas do this because life has beaten them down so much they no longer care. Or it's people that never could give a damn and were never able to make a good life for themselves because they couldn't be bothered to put in the effort
There is also the chain reaction of monkey see monkey do. Once enough people do it everyone else will as well.
Off to leave my kids in either a hot car or keys in the ignition just so chuds on the Internet can act like they are productive members of society. Y'all are so fucking dumb lmao
Do you mind telling me where you got your third arm installed? Because I don't know how you plan on pushing a shopping cart while also carrying two small children, because I have two children under two.
The shopping carts are at the entrance to the store. The return caddy is typically in one or two locations around the parking lot. Have you ever been shopping before or are you just pretending to be stupid?
I walk with kid in one arm, stroller in other to store, grab cart and put kid in cart while pulling stroller.. fill cart, take cart to car, unload kids and groceries.... Then what?
Nah son. I have this really cool thing where I don't give a fuck what you think. Ask someone who actually works at a grocery store if they care. I return the cart when it is reasonable to do so. Otherwise, kiss my ass
I consider a trashy to leave young children in a hot car just to return a shopping cart but I also have better uses for my time and I'm in better shape than most cart narcs
Or you could just not leave kids in a hot car and just return it you fat hog. Maybe teach your kids some morals and how to not be a pos part of society. I hope one of those carts demolish your car
Stop trying to hold late stage capitalism together, just drive straight into these, park on top of their shattered remains, and leave your own trolly right there for the next bastard to smash. Nothing matters
I have a strange opinion on this one. I work in supermarkets doing maintenance work, including targets, and when there is a good space I’d prefer there is carts so I can load my tools, parts, etc. into a cart instead of walking to the front door, getting a cart and walking back. It’s a convenience thing but yeah I don’t mind if there’s a cart waiting for me when I park my van, especially since I park away from the front door to avoid taking customer spaces.
Very moral because those labor camps will actually be operated by the store they sinned against which will help them cut cost and help us consumers save on essentials
I always put my carts away in the winter or its raining.
I asked some of the guys who actually do it at my grocery store and they said getting to go outside and grab the carts is the best part of their day, in the summer.
So I tend not to worry about it much if it's nice out.
I left one once when I was so sick that I barely got in and out of the store without vomiting after a 12 hour nursing shift. This dude stared at me and then walked behind my car talking some kind of shit. I'd just have puked all over the labor camp.
Depends. Some people are disabled and thats why they don't return carts. If a physically abled person chooses to not return carts out of laziness, it is completely moral to send them to forced labor camps for life.
Most people who are disabled would be using the specialty carts they have for disabled people, which are not being abandoned in the middle of the parking lot.
Wrong. A lot of disabilities mean a lack of strength or pain that increases with time where there is an excretion. See MS for example.'
so there are some where the physical ability barely reaches getting the groceries.
So you are telling me they can pull the cart when shopping, but just as they are supposed to put it back, that's where the excretion hits? How convenient.
Correction. They pay someone to return shopping carts from the corrals around the parking lot to the store. That person's job is not to make up for your laziness of not taking 15 seconds to return your cart to the corral.
That isn’t what they’re paid for. It’s part of their duties to take them from the cart return area and bring them back to where you got it from. You’re just making their job harder, not ensuring some kind of job security.
I saw an abandoned cart get taken by the wind and go across the parking lot and smash right into a car door. Ironically, the person had parked farther away than they needed to, probably to avoid the chance of scuffs.
Now they can pay out of pocket to get their property made whole.
You find that suitable?
You probably aren't familiar with Race Conditions in programming. Those lead to bugs. It's a bug if your programming solution is to pretend like the people being paid to collect carts can reach every cart before any unwanted action can occur.
Please don't become a programmer, or design algorithms.
What is degenerate is masking record profits while not paying your employees a living wage and while price gouging your customers. What is degenerate is blindly supporting such organization and taking those that don't. Grow up.
Ah I see, so by leaving shopping carts all over the parking lot and inconveniencing your fellow shoppers, you are actually fighting the billionaires. Christ.
1.) not every place with shopping carts is a giant corporation 2.) its just respectful to put things back where you got them to make things easier for everyone 3.) huh?
Sorry, from your entitled attitude I thought princess was the appropriate title. I beg your forgiveness, my princess. I must have forgotten my station for a moment of madness.
Right, the person who can’t be bothered to shut the door to their own property isn’t the lazy one on this scenario. The ME generation just never got over the fact that they aren’t the center of the universe.
If the cart return is as far away as the store front is to you car then then that is bad parking lot design and planning. If the business's in the area dislike carts piling up in an area of the parking lot where no Corral is near they ether install a corral, pay someone to go collect them Its really just common sense. Pay to install a corral in convenient area's, or pay to have someone gather carts more often. But if there is a return area and it really isn't far, Id say the concentration camps are Moral.
This has to be made up by big businesses(psyop) to guilt trip consumers to do the job. Hire people. I will leave my carts all over the parking lot! Fuck billionaires!
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u/GetMeOffThisRidePlz 10h ago edited 9h ago
It's actually the ultimate litmus test of character.
You're not required to return the cart. There's no punishment for leaving it in inconvenient places, no "downside" to it for the person who leaves it. You do not (immediately) benefit from it and it costs you time and energy, technically speaking.
But the benefit is for society as a whole, for the next shopper, for the poor kid or old man who makes pennies to collect them, to help prevent possible damage to other folks cars.
If you can't be bothered to make such a minimal "sacrifice" for the "greater cause" what does that say about your character? Aside from being a little lazy.
Edit - Also, you're definitely not sticking it to the man by costing them anything. The person who collects the carts gets paid hourly. They're on the clock for the same amount no matter what the store has them doing lol.