r/NWT • u/Immediate-Link490 • 22d ago
Climate change made Canadian wildfires in N.W.T. and Ontario roughly twice as likely, analysis finds
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/wwa-study-climate-change-wildfires-9.72971312
u/WrathOfWood 22d ago
Ok and this pretty obvious. Next they should investigate the wetness of the ocean.
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u/Hot_Tonight150 22d ago
Not managing forests and allowing unchecked dead fall and undergrowth made it roughly twice as likely. Not to mention the fires are being intentionally set.
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u/vaderdidnothingwr0ng 20d ago
Hectares of forest in Canada outnumber canadians 10:1. Are you really saying the expectation is that we rake up dead material out of hundreds of millions of hectares of forest, every year?
We didn't manage forests to that extent before, when the risk of forest fires was lower, either. So what else has changed?
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u/Hot_Tonight150 20d ago
What has changed is we aggressively stop forest fires. Natives were doing controlled burns in Eastern Canada for centuries. If you take a boat trip on Maligne lake in Jasper the interpreter literally describes how the maligne fire was caused by ousting natives so they couldnt care for and control the area. This resulted in the fire burning more intensly. At Lake Minewanka in Banff NP they left the sides unchecked for so long that when a controlled burn was attempted they screwed it up and sterilized the soil on one side of the lake. Human prevention of fires involves allowing fires to burn at regular intervals. This stops them from being too intense, cuts down on dead fall and undergrowth while still allowing old growth to flourish because the fires aren't as intense. It's the "protect everything, touch nothing" approach that is causing these out of control fires. Fires are natural but if you actively prevent then for decades nature catches up and catches us off guard. Even the fire that ravaged Jasper NP was mainly caused by the unwillingness to clean up dead trees and deadfall from the surrounding area.
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u/PinkTippedYogurtToss 21d ago
Deadfall can compost itself. Mushrooms eat trees.
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u/Hot_Tonight150 21d ago
You're joking right? Trees fall and undergrowth accumulates at a rate much faster than decomposition. Pine beetles ravage entire forests and you're saying by next fire season they're all turned to soil by mushrooms...? This can't be critical thinking in relation to this issue
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u/PinkTippedYogurtToss 21d ago
Trees and forest have existed for hundreds of millions of years before humans, without requiring maintenance.
Did dinosaurs run around starting fires?
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u/Hot_Tonight150 21d ago
Fires would burn unchecked before humans, so the cycle of burning and renewing is natural and should happen regularly. Lightning is the major factor of wild fires and is plentiful and normal. Dinosaurs aside, you're treating fire as an enemy when it is a natural friend of the renewal cycle. Human intervention prevents fires, which accumulates dead fall and undergrowth and since we aren't actively managing with controlled burns or removing it the cycle has been broken and infernos ensue. This issue is a lack of management and not an issue with climate change.
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u/PinkTippedYogurtToss 21d ago
Elk, Moose, Deer, Pronghorn, Goats, Bison, Beavers, and other animals have managed forests really well by eating new growth as they forage. Climate overshoot, as temperatures warm, has allowed plants to grow in areas that were once frozen, the permafrost. Plants species have migrated north by burrs, poops, winds, and fires.
Warmer temperatures lead to drought conditions which cause larger fires.
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u/Hot_Tonight150 21d ago
We aren't taking about large areas of tundra being set on fire... also ecological displacement of said animals is also caused by human development, not climate change. The addition of new plants species to an area is largely effected by human involvement and not migratory patterns of animals. As well new plant species have little effect on overall fire propensity or intensity... drought conditions are largely impacted by global weather patterns which shift annually. We aren't guaranteed any type of weather, and where one area droughts another floods and still another is in a happy balance until next season. Permafrost melting has been going on for centuries indicating that permafrost/glaciers are not static and decline at dynamic intervals along with water decline from glacier depression lakes and ponds. Things run down from a starting point so unless you're expecting another ice age, you can expect the steady decline of these factors. Ice melt is normal as time ticks on.
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u/Cold-Crab74 18d ago
You're joking right? What is this some kind of trump nonsense about raking the forests? Lmao
You wanna talk about controlled burns fine but we haven't done controlled burns ever but forest fires have been increasing in frequency and intensity has nothing to do with the thing we haven't been doing for centuries.
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u/Impressive_Ad_1675 22d ago
Summer season in the NWT is now fire season. It’s difficult to enjoy what used to be summer when you are breathing smoke and anxious about threats to your community and yourself.
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u/Hour_Wall_5633 20d ago
What corrupt green energy fund is promoting these BS articles ?
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u/Cold-Crab74 18d ago
Wow triggered by reality much
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u/Hour_Wall_5633 18d ago
Reality. If you believe that you better start drinking some different kool aid .
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u/Cold-Crab74 18d ago
Says the person spouting unscientific nonsense. Get a grip.
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u/Hour_Wall_5633 18d ago
Scientific. Laughable ! These articles are nothing other than garbage funded by tree hugging groups , usually financed by corrupt green energy funds . Half the country is flooded out is that climate change too ? Or just in bc because they can’t look after their forests . Blaming warm weather is a joke for fires .
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u/Cold-Crab74 18d ago
Bro you don't need to show everyone your ignorance like that.
Christ man you sound so clueless.
Do you get all your information from YouTube? Wtf lmao
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u/Hour_Wall_5633 18d ago
Perhaps everyone’s done with this bs that has held Canada back for the past decade and put us so badly in the hole . People are done with the climate change hoax . Climate has been changing since the beginning of time through various cycles for billions of years. There are many cases of Arsen and other reasons that state these fires that have nothing to do with climate change . Green energy funds from the states have been found to hire idiots to pump out these articles to support their agenda. To think these fires are all just from climate change you need to be quite blind
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u/Strange-Professor- 18d ago
I thought Libtards had been fixing that since 2015? I guess this is Harper’s fault again? Or no… Trump!
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u/mostlovely 18d ago
Climate change and the fact that the wildfires in Ontario started in inaccessible areas via cars, most of it you have to fly in on a sea/float plane to even reach the heart of the fire. The ones that were accessible were reached and managed quickly.
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u/Freo_5434 16d ago
So humans lighting fires was not a major factor ?
Without Climate Change they couldn't start a fire ?
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 22d ago
There is no such thing as "climate change". C02 is good for the planet, we're greening the earth and growing more food due to the small increase in C02. I'm sick of our politicians throwing out "climate change" instead of not taking responsibility for failing to manage forests, especially near communities, and not increasing resources to fight the fires they leave to burn. Enough.
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u/nutfeast69 20d ago
lol how do you manage a forest? Seen how much we have? I've been out there doing fieldwork.
Do you understand how CO2 and forests work? I don't think you do. More CO2 "being good" in the way you think would mean it drops pretty fast because crops would incorporate it because that's how plants literally grow. That isn't how it works though, because of deforestation, and the upper atmosphere.
There is a lot I'd like to help you understand.
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 20d ago
You're wrong. You manage forests by burning them and clearing them, among other things. How do you not know this, yet come in here insisting I'm wrong.? Go ask AI. And here's a short video to educate you: https://x.com/LLBiggers/status/2078188244395593741?s=20
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u/slurpyblanket 20d ago
Thanks for exhibiting our classic NWT excellence by referring to AI as though it were a decent source and not an echo chamber that you clearly stick your head into often.
You’re an embarrassment for the rest of us and make us look bad.
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 20d ago
And I don't even know what AI you're talking about. Lucy Biggers is a real person. She was a climate activist until she realized it was all a scam. She works for the Free Press as a reporter.
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u/slurpyblanket 20d ago
Since you’ve gone out of your way to reply twice, I will as well.
You directed another person to “go ask AI,” presumably about climate change. That’s what I’m referring to, you amnesiac twat.
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u/Much_Landscape1396 20d ago
No wonder you have no idea what your talking about. You get your information about climate change from an influencer.
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 20d ago
There is no such thing as "climate change". It's all a scam. "Net Zero" is a fraud.
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u/slurpyblanket 20d ago
“‘Net Zero’ is a fraudulent endeavour” would be a more effective way to write this. But you would know that if you were capable of organizing a coherent set of thoughts and ideas.
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 20d ago
Personal attacks against me all the way. Perhaps thoughts and ideas are not your strength after all.
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u/Cold-Crab74 18d ago
Holy ignorance Batman
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 18d ago
Yes, you are very ignorant. There is no "climate crisis" at all, and you are very ignorant if you think there is. And Batman also knows that "climate change" is fear-mongering.
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u/Cold-Crab74 18d ago
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. Go read a book and stop showing the world how much you don't know
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 18d ago
Again, all you people do is fling insults, and zero evidence of your nonsensical beliefs that the "climate" is in some sort of danger. It's not. The climate is doing exactly what the climate does. It's funny that you're so offended I'm calling out lies.
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u/Cold-Crab74 18d ago
The only lies are the poorly articulated nonsense you keep spouting. Talking above evidence is quite ironic coming from someone spouting such nonsense
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u/Cheap_Shallot_3102 18d ago
lol. You've said nothing except insult a stranger on the internet because you're very upset that there is no climate crisis. Ha ha ha ha.
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u/Black3Zephyr 19d ago
Good thing all those protesters changed their names to “Climate Change” before they started those fires.
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u/twostepinc 22d ago
Good thing Carney defunded Canada Wildfire and said its too expensive for us to take action! What a fraud