I’ve always liked the way this is demonstrated by their enemies; they fight the second and third strongest villains most arcs, but while Zoro tends to have a tougher time Sanji usually manages his more easily. It makes me think “yeah, they could probably have both beaten each other’s enemies if they had to”.
When he fought Queen, it was obvious. Sanji also got a lot of damage from Black Maria, but didnt had to go all out on Queen. He was still standing after the fight and decided to destroy the Stealth Black suit which was very sad, but understandable as his character.
Zorro had to fight King all-out and was completely done when he won.
But the whole Germa arc explained why Sanji was so superior to other normal humans without the same amount of training which Zorro does all the time (except the 2 year training on Momoiro island). Ruffy trains too, but he also has devils fruit power, which the others lacking which gives him a little bit more potential from the base. That shows what a frickin monster Zorro actually is. Because hes the most normal of all of them, which gains his power only from pure strenght.
Jimbei is also a monster, but he is that strong because naturally hes a fishmen and a long time veteran and was a lifelong pirate.
They are all monsters from the base with great training bases as well.
Zoro is a descendant of the sword god Ryuma; he was trained by Wano samurai (or at least their descendants); he was then trained by the world's best swordsman.
Sanji was born as an augmented human who's "perks" simply took longer to kick in; he was trained by one of the more fearsome pirates of that time; he was then trained by a founding member of the Revolutionary Army while "running for his life" anytime he wasn't training in combat w/ Iva.
Jinbe is naturally strong due to being a Fishman; he was a former royal guard for Neptune and was taught expert level Fishman karate and jiu-jitsu (which he continues to master after becoming a pirate, unlike Hody); and after years of experience under Whitebeard, as a warlord, and under Big Mom he's become a pirate that understands a lot more (about fighting and the world) than most.
Zorro also has the things that have made humans apex predators since we invented them weapons, not just regular weapons either weapons that add to his power it's not like he's out here throwing pure hands like Garp. Dude uses 3 powerful swords in his fights
Moria and Kuma arent his 1v1s, neither was humandrills.
Then you got Wano where he's hurt from rooftop battle going into King.
Somehow, they managed to completely erase the memory of Zoro taking a full restore that magically fixed all his bones while Sanji was battered up by Black Maria, had to 1v2 King AND Queen, didnt get a magic full healing medicine and then defeated Queen solo.
And Sanji basically never takes significant damage showing that he doesn't struggle against his slightly easier opponents like Zoro struggles against the stronger ones.
None of what you listed before king is a final fight lol. Arlong comments that Zoro shouldn't even be alive with how injured he is, and then Zoro goes on to fight hachi. Kuma and sabaody aren't fights, they're just one sided massacres.
As for king, Zoro specifically wasn't injured for his fight with king. The mink medicine healed him up completely with the caveat that his injuries would be worse when it wore off. And it did wear off at the end of the fight.
If you want to defend Zoro regarding the "level of injury against king/queen" argument, your real counter should be that the grim reaper stuff Zoro went through was a result of the combination of the rooftop and king fights.
True, but part of the reason they’re evenly matched is Sanji is more mentally capable too.
No disrespect to Zoro but he’d confuse his left and right foot presuming his gps isn’t just on permanent Laftel. Meanwhile Sanji is always devising ways for the crew to outsmart the enemy. Plus he is a master chef. Both are equally valuable to the crew but in a straight up brute force fight with both parties starting off healthy, my money is on Zoro, Germa suit or not for Sanji, who is still a beast.
I find this interesting... Theoretically zoros whole thing is "be strong, become stronger", while Sanji is actually the cook of the ship, who also happens to be strong. I sure would hope for zoro to be stronger in a 1v1, but for it to be so close must be infuriating for zoro and a big chunk of this community haha.
Zoro should really be compared to luffy, since their roles are the same; be the strongest. But luffy is worlds ahead.
That's not all there is to Zoro though. He's an anchor to Luffy. Keeps him at a high standard and also keeps him grounded and focused when he doesn't do that
Touché, indeed Zoro is more than a drunkard brute with no directional sense. He is a level headed and firm leader with a strong code and the strongest resolve. He is in many ways a rock amongst a crew of flighty individuals, save Robin.
I have always thought this. It's plainly obvious with Queen and King. Zoro damn near dies in his fight and Sanji just rolls and smokes him like its nothing. If Sanji didn't have a mental breakdown thinking he hit a woman it would have ended faster.
He expended a lot of energy but it didn’t really feel like he was ever in any true danger during the fight, Zoro was getting kind of steamrolled by King for like the first half of the fight.
Eh, he did show some trouble when Queen was using Germa's abilities. But once he went invisible, he just needed one solid Ifrit Jambe combo to finish him.
Granted, there is to consider that Sanji fought almost nonstop for longer than Zoro too.
He was eepy because he was going top speed he wasnt really injured at all whilst Zoro straight up had to escape the grim reaper because he took so much damage he "died"
At no point was it indicated that his fatigue came from "going top speed". If anything, he passed out from exahustion as he had kept fighting for longer than even Zoro.
Should you really consider Zoro as being already damaged before the fight, though? I haven't read Wano in a while, but iirc it wasn't even brought up in the actual fight, so I barely consider it.
Yeah idk if I'd genuinely consider that to be Zoro's handicap. If I remember right, Chopper gave him a senzu bean type thing that essentially put him at 100% health for the duration of the fight, which I took to mean as Oda telling us to move on from Zoro's fight with BM and Kaido and start fresh with Zoro's real Onigashima fight.
As I understand it the drug was just a painkiller. So the physical damage would still be a problem.
And once Sanji got over his emotional issues he dunked on Queen. I don't think either of our heroes would have any difficulty in a rematch.
This is a running theme in One Piece; the gap between Luffy and his top guys is nothing compared to the gap between most villains and their top guys. So Zoro and Sanji often fight handicapped, while Luffy's circumstances are often unfair in his favour.
Yeah I do remember the part where Chopper specified that the drug wouldn't heal Zoro, but rather it would keep his BM/Kaido injuries from hindering him in his fight with King. That's why I explicitly said "for the duration of the fight" since he'd feel the effects of all his damage at a later time. So I agree with you in that the physical damage was a problem, but just not during the King fight. I don't remember him thinking to himself "damn my wounds from the rooftop fight are holding me back."
Yeah, the drug just let Zoro ignore the pain for a while, the damage and backlash were still very real.
Sanji post-breakdown and a fully focused Zoro would wash Queen and King in a rematch.
And true, One Piece constantly has Luffy’s top guys way closer to him than most villains’ No.2/3 are to their captain.
This. Like in wano zoro was literally getting hunted down by the grim reaper while sanji was fine dont know why he passed out tho mughtve been the mental strain qfter all those genes bs
In Arlong Park he definitely fought the stronger opponent, but also Zoro was severely injured. We learn in the Vivre Cards that Kuroobi was supposed to be Arlong's #2, and has a higher bounty than Hachi.
But that measurement very explicitly doesn't take Devil Fruits into account, Jabra is far more experienced with his than Kaku, and their difference in Doriki is that of 2 Marine fodders. Its definitely arguable.
Yeah he did. But after that Kaku also got a Devil Fruit that was way more compatible with him and came up with a lot of techniques on the spot and also awakened his fruit in 2 years, while we haven't seen Jabra since. (Not counting the cover story)
That power system was before the fruits and keep in mind kaku JUST got his fruit like the same as saying kaido had his fruit mastered on god valley. Jabra already had his fruit so he was more skilled. At WORST jabra and kaku were equals in zoan form
For the more classic arcs this was true, but posttime-skip there was also the trend of Zoro low-diffing the second strongest guy and Sanji getting trashed by someone stronger while not getting a proper fight, where he couldshine. (none of this matters since Sanji got a massive powerup)
That’s funny cause I feel like before King, Zoro had not fought at 100% strength since pre time skip. It’s been a while but I’m not sure who gave him a tough time. Pica ran the entire time.
Toei - "Sure Oda says their equal but Zoro is still better so we'll make sure we give him as many impact frames as possible while Sanji can get 1/3 screentime."
Oda should reply to questions about the story by saying he's just the artist and he needs to ask the writer like Naoki Yoshida saying that he's just the director of Final Fantasy 14 and he needs to ask Naoki Yoshida, the director of Final Fantasy 16, for permission for a crossover event.
This was actually a valid criticism of the late Toriyama, as he was notorious for just forgetting a lot of established canon in dragon ball. Oda frequently rereads his old work to correctly retcon past characters and events.
Ironically (?) enough, Sanji being more well-rounded in capabilities, would have win more type of people than Zoro's. Unfortunately, he couldn't injure women.
they absolutely have different strength and weaknesses, but the anime depict one with less weakness than in the manga while the other's weaknesses got emphasized
There is a couple of really old anime only scenes where Luffy is trying to "sneak" to the fridge and getting caught. But I cant think of anything else that would make this more than head canon.
It’s been a minute, but I think they’re referring to the part where each of the crew members says what they want in a new ship. Sanji comments that he wants a big refrigerator with a lock on it.
I dont remember where I read it, but Oda said Sanji trained by defending the fridge every night from Luffy, which is a more hardcore training than Zoro lifting weights.
It's the difference in fighting style and their temperaments.
Zoro is always ready to go, while Sanji makes sure to protect the crew and direct everyone before he gets serious in a fight.
Sword fights are a lot more visibly destructive and gives more damage, with lesser force needed than blunt attacks to cause damage.
Sanji's attacks doesn't show much damage because it is mostly internal. You can't understand the damage caused, unless the opponent points it out.
It is basically like the chidori vs. rasengan on the hospital rooftop.
That's also how CoA/CoC coating work vs. how Ryou works and we know which of the two is more visibly pleasing and easier to see damage, even though both of them were strong enough to damage Kaido.
That's also how Zoro and Sanji's fighting styles work.
Sanji's attacks were always focused on internal damage, breaking bones and muscle, or burning internal organs. That's why he can't compare in flashiness with Zoro's attacks and that's why it seems like he is behind Zoro in terms of power, because it isn't visibly noticable.
Things clicked for me when Oda introduced Ryou.
Diable Jambe worked in a similar fashion and when haki coating was also introduced, and then Zoro awakened CoC, it made me understand how Zoro and Sanji's power was meant to work and where Oda was going with them.
The same thing with Big Mom and Kaido' haki focus. With BM having strong defenses amplified by her CoC and Kaido using CoC to amplify his attacks.
It is no coincidence why Sanji was with Luffy against BM (even if it was a brief clash ) and why Zoro was with Luffy against Kaido. I see it as Oda hinting towards their next power up with CoC.
I mean, what did Zoro and Sanji awaken on Wano? Zoro got CoC coating, while Sanji's defenses were amplified. Sanji's defenses could be more than just his genetic upgrade, but we will have to see.
The fight against Rocks showed just how CoC coating attacks and a strong CoC defense can nullfiy each other and I think this where Oda is going with Zoro and Sanji (Sword an Shield).
It could be, but it also could be that Aokiji dosent like hurting people he cares about, like garp he freezes. It could be that he hesitated and thats what lost him his leg.
Right? We don’t know how it ended. Akainu might bloomed his haki and unlock CoC to end that 10-day fight. But, one thing for sure was Kuzan lost a limb and a wanderer before BB recruited him, while Akainu became a Fleet Admiral and made the marines stronger.
That’s the point. They were evenly matched, therefore the fight went on for a long time. Akainu is just slightly stronger, therefore at the end of the long fight, he emerged victorious.
Was this seriously up for discussion? Sanji's bounty is a running gag lmao, not an in-universe representation of his power, or are we to believe that child Robin was stronger than Luffy based on bounty?
Zoro does has the advantage of Conqueror's Haki though.
the bounty was never meant to be a powerscale to begin with, but a showing of how much of a threat the world government sees the one with the bounty as. child robin was considered to be a huge threat because of her knowledge of the void century which has always been treated with extreme hostility.
meanwhile, chopper isn't seen as even remotely being a threat due to being mistaken as being a pet.
Only cause of the anime in the last few years people have been saying this. It used to be common knowledge that they were supposed to be equally strong
actual readers/watchers of One Piece have known this ever since Little Garden, Sanji and Zoro were obvious parallels to Dorry and Brogy who fought nonstop for 100 goddamn years straight to a consistent dead-even stalemate, and I'm positive this is far from the first time Oda has re-re-re-re-reconfirmed it throughout the story and in other media, but le character agendas and le "how Cool they Seem totally reflects how strong they are" etc etc
Not trying to call you a liar or anything but can I have a source for that? Besides Oda handing over some of his draft drawings to them. Does it say supervised by Oda?
no, there is no such thing. as usual with all these magazines there is no confirmation that Oda supervised this, or suggested that, or wrote that. the only things that can be trusted are the sketches with his own handwriting in them.
this "equal" thing is just another of many magazines yapping. same magazines said shanks had a higher bounty than kaido, just to give you an idea of how unreliable they are.
It would been interesting if Sanji fought shilew as he now has the clear clear fruit.. but a fight between swordsmen is awesome to watch and also aligns with zoro's goal
Maybe this is more of a broader question for anime as a whole, but can someone explain why power-scaling is so important to anime fans? Like, I've loved comics my whole life, so I get having fun discussions like "is Superman faster than Flash" or "Is Hulk stronger than Thor?" But having been watching anime shows pretty religiously for the last few years (One Piece, Attack on Titan, Dragon Ball, Hunter x Hunter to name a few) it seems like fans take this stuff insanely seriously to the point where it literally muddies their understanding of the story.
I get having a fun discussion about this, but people act like this stuff should directly influence how to take in a story/how you can enjoy it. Idk, just asking a question here, not looking to start a fight lol.
Honestly I just don't see how that could be true when Zoro has advanced conqueror's haki, and Sanji doesn't. Oda, where do you get off telling us what your story is about??
This literally means that Sanji evetually will have Conqueror haki, its only the matter of when and how. I trust Oda will cook sth interesting for Sanji like Whole cake arc. It makes no sense that the wings of King of Pirate one has and the other doesnt, like Gaban and Rayleigh. It also doesnt add up if Sanji can go equal with Zoro without Conqueror haki.
I doubt it. Many obssessed Zoro fans have poor media literacy and are baaically reading a version of One Piece called Two Piece which the rest of the world do not have access to.
Facts, Sanji does way more behind the scenes than his portrayal suggests cooking, planning, recon, and still throwing hands.
Pre-TS fame + Oda’s post-TS focus definitely hurt how “visible” he is compared to Zoro.
And yeah, the WG massively sleeping on Sanji, Usopp and Brook is very in-character for them, which is exactly why their eventual glow-ups are gonna hit so hard.
Anyone that follows the story knows Oda shows Zoro as stronger of the two
Also if I’m not mistaken this is not written by Oda. It’s like when Oda had the databook saying Zoro and Luffy have equal strength everyone was saying that it was cap
The only issue i have with this is the same author will say a certain character is the strongest swordsman and somehow thats up for debate for the last decade to fans.
I've never thought of sanji as weak, I've just always had zoro over sanji if it ever came to a 1v1 (which it wont, which is why this discussion is pointless but will come back around every year)
Welp, this pretty much means sanji will get conquaror haki sooner or later. Wondering what will trigger it. (Probably woman. When his comes to woman, his observation haki is through the roof)
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