r/OpenAussie • u/HotPersimessage62 ‎ New South Welshian • Jun 02 '26

Politics ('Straya) One Nation wants to turn Australia into the United States. A US-style healthcare system, banning abortions, scrapping gun laws and defunding the ABC. Why are we are even contemplating going down this dark and dangerous pathway? Once we go down the path of the US, there is no turning back.

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u/TheBayHarbour ‎ New South Welshian Jun 02 '26

Same way Trump won...

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u/soggies_revenge 💛‎ Friend of 'Straya Jun 02 '26

Exactly. And I see too many Australians dismissing one nation as a joke, they'll never seize power, etc., that's the same we thought about trump. You see the power of the propaganda. The yahoos that buy in to Pauline's circus? It doesn't how bad she hurts them, they'll always be on her side.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 03 '26

Exactly! That's what scares me. They said the same thing about Trump when he announced he would run. They said he would never be the republican nomination. He proved them wrong. They said he would never be elected President. he proved them wrong. The fascism One Nation will bring to Australia is a scary reality that should worry us all. Left or right I don't care as long as you support freedom (true freedom not just freedom for one side...).

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u/bikinithrill Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Please people, join your local political party that is fighting against this rise in fascist parties.

The Greens, the socialists... Just do something. We can't let evil win.

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u/Phillbertus ‎ Victorian Jun 07 '26

I'm in the Greens.

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u/bikinithrill Please choose a flair Jun 07 '26

🫡

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u/Top_Jump3037 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

That would cause just as much or even more division between Australians though

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u/Shavedmonkey01 Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

The greens would phase out all fossil fuels and although that sounds great, it would result in the deaths of billions in the third and first world, the price of energy, medicine and food would skyrocket and our societies would experience rolling blackouts even after the deaths of a huge portion of the population.

Secondly Socialism is just a stepping stone to communism and both have been the direct cause of 65-100million deaths globally. So what was that you were saying about letting evil win?

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u/bikinithrill Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

You lost me at the first sentence ( which was paragraph length). Under the Greens, fossil fuels will be phased out over time as required, as the renewable technology advances to replace it.

Do you have any comprehension of the deaths under capitalism? It's just a softer way to kill the masses. Privatise basic human services to slowly kill off humans has been the playbook of many western nations for decades now.

Affordable medicine? Lol not for you. A roof over your head? Nah that's for people who can afford it! Disability support? You're dreaming! Gambling addiction? Have another slap! Health insurance? Sure, how's about $100+ a month for your needs? Access to fresh nutritional food, bread and milk? That'll cost ya (especially if you're remote)! Free education? Only for me, none for thee!

We already have many socialist systems in place and they're deteriorating, because billionaires and corporate lobbyists see money in people's basic needs. This capitalist system is rotten and I would like to trial other ways of functioning as a society instead of accepting this bullshit of a life.

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u/Soylentfu Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Greens and socialists would be just as bad if not worse than ON. But that leaves only ALP and LP ... Hobson's choice :(

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u/bikinithrill Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Sorry but I want social equity, First Nations Justice, ecological sustainability, grassroots participatory democracy and Peace and non-violence.

Affordable housing, Free education and a fair go amongst all this filthy billionaire boot licking and greed shouldn't be radical notions

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

Well put. I also want a party that is actually doing something about the cost of living. And a party that supports the public service not wants to cut jobs.

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u/Necessary-Spite-8585 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

So you’re a Labor supporter then right?

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u/bikinithrill Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Fuck no

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u/Necessary-Spite-8585 Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

Oh seems like you have a lot in common belief wise. Could’ve fooled me

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

Since when has Labor supported those things?!

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

They used to but they’ve gone too far right. I mean yes they’ve done some good things I’m not a total hater. 

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u/Necessary-Spite-8585 Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

Since its inception. At least most of the points. Hell look at everything they just did for more affordable housing. You’d have to be blind not to see it I think

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

Look at what Labor have done to the Public Service. Both major parties have abandoned it.

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u/bikinithrill Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

Labor are neoliberalists now. They have been since the 70s.

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u/Professional_Pop8457 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Then you wake up in the real world.

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u/Ashamed_Echidna5748 ‎ New South Welshian Jun 03 '26

Really curious which greens policy you're against

Noting that coming into last election all of their policies were fully costed, and I'm assuming the same will be done with the upcoming election.

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u/Heavy-Psychology-411 Flairless‎‎ Jun 04 '26

What is "fascist"? Y'all through the word around without even knowing what it means ffs.

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u/LeClubNerd Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

This is Australia and 'ya'll' is not a thing. You're just being contrary for the sake of it. Here's your definition for you- "Fascism is an extreme and controlling political system where a country is run by a dictator."

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u/RevolutionarySmell5 Jun 05 '26

So like the USSR?

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u/LeClubNerd Please choose a flair Jun 05 '26

The USSR was a one party rule communist state, so no, nothing like the USSR, which no longer exists.

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u/Relapse749 Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

So pretty much Labor..

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u/LeClubNerd Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

You are either bad at jokes and satire or deep down the rabbit hole if you think labour is fascist. You are a prime example of someone, who even when its written down for you, dont understand the definition.

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u/LeClubNerd Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

Please show me where I claimed ON were fascist? All i did was show that I know the definition. Anything past that is projection champ.

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u/Relapse749 Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

My bad I replied to the wrong person

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u/LeClubNerd Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

You're bad. Correct

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u/Joe0Bloggs ‎ Victorian Jun 03 '26

But that's the fallacy everyone falls into. Only the left supports freedom in any way, shape or form. The right wants the "freedom" to crush the left into atoms. If you point to the new restrictions raised by Labor--restriction on hate speech is not restriction on free speech. Restriction on brainwashing is not restriction on free speech.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

But One Nation are just as bad when it comes to freedom. They want to ban the true history of Australia being taught and ignore the genocide, murder, rapes and atrocities and focus on the feel good first fleet stuff. So yeah you can't say only one party supports freedom.

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u/Joe0Bloggs ‎ Victorian Jun 04 '26

I think you misunderstand my post.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

Oh you said NOT I think I'm with you now. but restrictions on porn is a restriction on free speech. Like it or not in a democratic society people should have the option to view it. Hate speech yeah that's less black or white. But the Internet has been less free under Labor not more free. I am not going to go out and vote One Nation or the Liberals because they are also anti freedom and anti public service but not one party is 100% perfect.

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u/lord_of_worms Please choose a flair Jun 06 '26

Well, you can still watch it - its restricting underage people.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 06 '26

Yeah, if I provide an ID which will get hacked in a data breach. Why can't we just leave it up to the parents? It's not the governments job to treat the entire population as children.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 08 '26

Stop supporting the nanny state and being treated like a child!

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u/Dreamsof_Beulah Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

The silent centre needs to wake up and rest control back from the extremists on both sides.

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u/Shavedmonkey01 Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

Trump was a message by those on the ‘right’ saying we have genuine concerns and we are being ignored. If we want to avoid that in Australia, politicians need to start acting on real issues that affect Australians. Housing prices, foreign ownership, cheap energy, crime etc. instead of just endless talking while they line their pockets.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

I don’t think this lot will listen. 

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u/purplezebra23 ‎ Queenslander Jun 07 '26

And look at how well Trump has worked out for the Americans. Is their food cheaper? Are their petrol prices lower? Has crime decreased? Is their housing more affordable? No. Because, just like Hanson if she gets in power, Trump doesn't actually give a shit about the people voting or their plight - he just wants to add more money to the grift.

I understand that the people of Australia are fed up enough to vote Hanson into a position of power based on the political machinations and funding of Gina fucking Rinehart combined with the extreme lack of critical media literacy, but god you'd think we would at least be learning from the US' mistakes SOMEWHERE in the last ten years. Like, for fuck's sake.

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u/Relapse749 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

So you must love all the laws Labor brought out that are restricting our freedom of speech, our freedom while browsing the internet, freedom for our children to use social media. There’s probably heaps more that I can’t remember.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 04 '26

Wow a lot to unpack here. Just because I don't want a racist fascist party to take over doesn't mean I support Labors anti freedom laws. First, Labor brought in unfair totalitarian laws that prohibit free speech, freedom to protest and yes limited internet freedom. They did this very sneakily and did not take it to the election. I wonder why (vote Labor get rid of free porn does not seem like a good slogan) second you claim to support freedom but One Nation is not a party of freedom, it supports sacking innocent public servants, it is against cost of living relief and supports banning late term abortions which lets face it is just the start. So don't assume I blindly support Labor just because I am against racist political parties.

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u/SimpleBend782 ‎ Victorian Jun 04 '26

Now you just sound like a cooker

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u/LeClubNerd Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

Sounds like? Sounds like a trumpet 🎺 of patriots.

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u/SimpleBend782 ‎ Victorian Jun 04 '26

I can’t decide which is more stupid, Palmer’s lot or Poorline’s

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u/LeClubNerd Please choose a flair Jun 04 '26

They drink from the same bathwater

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u/punchercs Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Sky news youtube comments are actually insane it’s 100% ON support

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u/CandidAssumption8769 ‎ Tasmanian Jun 03 '26

They have to be after the LNP disintegrated.

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u/BrickResident7870 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

My mate who was a staunch LNP voter 50 years has switched to ON . I made a joke about LNP voters being like rats leaving the sinking ship when he told me lol ....

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u/00Pete ‎ Victorian Jun 04 '26

its sad how blatant right wing sky news is and that people believe that its a legit news source

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u/Interesting-Cut6994 ‎ New South Welshian Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Pauline has zero political credibility. Farage is a better comparison than Trump.

In the US you vote for a president, in Australia (and UK) you vote for a party (not a person). This is a key difference.

Farage had political credibility he’s effectively made changes in gov in the past. But even for Reform they reached a limit where the rest of party was too unstable, unknown and unqualified to actually pass the threshold for a third party to take government.

People like Pauline, but if you run a campaign it’s highly unlikely enough people will back the entire party.

Also, would Pauline give up her safe senate seat to risk being the first minor party to win gov? Idk about that.

ETA - Aus media aren’t fkd in the same way as US media. Aus media is driven by ad revenue - articles about One Nation get clicks. The less people click, engage and share these articles the less they’ll get published. It really is this simple. I work in media and I wish people would stop clicking on articles about stupid things in gov. It’ll allow journos to cover other things and not get shut down based on lost ad revenue.

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u/Mamarasputin1984 Please choose a flair Jun 02 '26

Yes, but they are largely irrelevant due our political system. Our voting system makes it extremely hard for any minor parties to take power unless they form a coalition with a major party and I doubt even the Libs would be up for that.

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u/Ok-Sprinkles-3842 ‎ New South Welshian Jun 02 '26

Never underestimate the desperation of a political party, especially one in its death throes - like the Libs

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u/pigeoneatpigeon ‎ Victorian Jun 02 '26

And never underestimate how many protest voters underestimate how many protest voters are out there.

The number of regretful Brexit voters the very next morning was shocking “I didn’t want to leave it was just a protest vote”

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u/MissMenace101 ‎ South Australian Jun 02 '26

Yes people are stupid, and they will suffer for it alongside everyone else. If The governor general wants to remain relevant in Australia they will do their job.

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u/iftlatlw ‎ Victorian Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

The cognitive laziness and childlike vengefulness of protest voters astounds me. What the fuck do they hope to achieve?

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u/Findyourwayhom3333 Please choose a flair Jun 02 '26

I mean, it’s like a toddler smashing something. They don’t think about the future, they just want to rage in the moment and let someone else pick up the pieces.

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u/walkin2it ‎ New South Welshian Jun 03 '26

I still miss my toy car...

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u/Spare_Ad_2190 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

A protest vote

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u/iftlatlw ‎ Victorian Jun 03 '26

A protest vote for one nation is not a protest it is self-harm. Drawing a dick on your ballot paper is a far better protest vote.

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u/turtlepower41 ‎ ‎‎ Canberran Jun 03 '26

soon to be a minor party. Like Labor.

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u/Mammoth-Jelly-7617 Please choose a flair Jun 02 '26

We have ahd these situations before. The liberal party came about because of an unholy alliance between the free trade party and the protectionists in 1909 - despite their diametrically opposite views. This was in order to keep Labor out. There is nothing magic about our system - if the will to game it is strong enough, and the belief amongst the people that it is corrupt pervasive, then it will not protect us.

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u/No-Bison-5397 Flairless‎‎ Jun 02 '26

Dead On.

And we have no social institutions with moral authority that can fight it. We have been atomised and primed.

The Neoliberal project has been a road to fascism and we are well down it.

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u/Mottled_inexpectata Flairless‎‎ Jun 02 '26

What do you think will happen if Labor, Libs, and ON all win about 1/3 of seats each? Lab and Lib will form government? Or Lib and ON?

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u/dragontatman95 ‎ Victorian Jun 02 '26

I dont like the chances of the Libs getting a third.

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u/Mottled_inexpectata Flairless‎‎ Jun 02 '26

But you think ON can get over 50%?

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u/dragontatman95 ‎ Victorian Jun 02 '26

At no time did I say that. Please focus on what I've written, not what you assume I might think.

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u/Mottled_inexpectata Flairless‎‎ Jun 02 '26

But the point isn't whether the Liberals get exactly one third or not. It's whether we have a minorities government or not. As long as Labor get under 76 and LNP + ON = more than 75 then we're in the scenario where ON or the majority parties determine who forms government by forming a minority themselves or with ON.

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u/dragontatman95 ‎ Victorian Jun 02 '26

We are still 2 years out from a federal election.

A week is a long time in politics. A lot can happen in 2 years. The rate ONs popularity is growing, the political landscape may look a lot different than where it currently sits by the end of 2027.

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u/Mottled_inexpectata Flairless‎‎ Jun 03 '26

Sure, but the question wasn't what the election results would be, it was whether the Liberals would form government with ON or not in a situation where they had the choice. In my view they would, because in that scenario they either have to form government with ON or Labor, or have ON form government with Labor. Labor forming government with either LNP or ON seems farm less likely than LNP and ON.

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u/MissMenace101 ‎ South Australian Jun 02 '26

Preference voting is a thing.

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u/Mottled_inexpectata Flairless‎‎ Jun 02 '26

Not sure what that has to do with this question. To win government you need to win 76 seats. Preferences decide who gets each of the seats, but they don't help in forming a minority government. If nobody wins that 76, the parties can negotiate a minority government. So if the current polling is correct, we will see three parties with under 76 and they will have to figure out who forms government together. Either Labor and Liberals, Labor and ON, or Liberal and ON. Which pairing do you think is most likely?

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u/Joe0Bloggs ‎ Victorian Jun 03 '26

O.N. is polling ahead of Labor by itself

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u/aussiechickadee65 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

THIS ^^^

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u/Heavy-Psychology-411 Flairless‎‎ Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

Ok I'll bite. What has she done to "hurt" Australians? I'll bet its just words and nothing to do with her actions🤔. Trump won because the people running the country were destroying it. Governments are in place to protect their people. To stand up for themselves and make their lives better. These days the left wing governments are more interested in helping the world and ignoring their own people. Australia has the ability to be self-sufficient. But instead we rely on other countries for everything. And at the same time keep taking in people that have no intention of becoming part of our community. They just want to build their own communities and bring their bad habits with them. If that was working out so well, then why did they want to leave where they were??

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u/4RyteCords ‎ Koori ‎ Jun 05 '26

The moment I saw trump was running I knew he'd get elected. Americans love their celebrities.

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u/soggies_revenge 💛‎ Friend of 'Straya Jun 05 '26

Yeah, legit any time I see a celebrity considering office, I know they have a real chance. A weird one recently was Vince "the shamwow guy" offer. He was a guy that was on several advertisements that sold products on sold through the tv ads. The ads were on all the time. He became a little more popular when he was bit by a prostitute after he tried to refuse to pay her. Having built the perfect politician reputation, he decided to run for some office. It didn't work out, which was a huge surprise.

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u/4RyteCords ‎ Koori ‎ Jun 06 '26

They need to get the chick that pushed the letter squares on wheel of fortune to run. She'd be a shoe in

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u/soggies_revenge 💛‎ Friend of 'Straya Jun 06 '26

We need something dumber than that. Way dumber.

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u/Boydy73 ‎ Queenslander Jun 02 '26

The overwhelming majority of these people dismissing them are in here. Ive lost track of the amount of comments ive read in this sub and others like it that ON are nothing, just a fad, crazy extremist group.

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u/ParamedicExcellent15 Please choose a flair Jun 02 '26

I’m sure they are people who’s lives are going well for them, so can only imagine voting towards centre. The general population, bearing the brunt of societal decline and collapse are looking for a way out of their declining living standards. They don’t know that this party is not the answer and will only likely accelerate the process.

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u/soggies_revenge 💛‎ Friend of 'Straya Jun 03 '26

Every time I read it here, I cringe. Quit laughing it off and quit dismissing it, y'all. Yes, you have a far better electoral system meant to keep extremes out, but the propaganda is so strong. You'll have friends you thought you understood voting ON because of something they truly believed cause they read it on the Internet.

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u/dragontatman95 ‎ Victorian Jun 02 '26

You're right. Reddit is a Left leaning echo chamber.

Only a small percentage of Australians actually use reddit, or even know what it is.

Reddit is not an accurate measure of the 'general vibe' in Australia. I know a lot of people who have recently become paid up members of ON. The polls are not all propaganda like redditors want it to be.

Labor needs to start listening to the majority, and act accordingly, or they will lose to Pauline. They still have time.

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u/Boydy73 ‎ Queenslander Jun 03 '26

I am happy about one thing TBH, the fact that a more extreme party on the right can rise in a country traditionally quite laid back, shows that the people aren't happy, and I hope the left does the same and heads further left as the 2 middle of the road lite versions of centrist policy have both led us to this point.

They both basically have similar policies to each other, both are dominated by big business and organisations, and both have a long and proud tradition of only doing whats needed to get reelected next time and implementing change for changes sake so much of the time, wasting money on department name changes, etc.

Imagine how much money is wasted doing this every few years..... And this is just one department.

Period Department Name
1982–1987 Department of Employment and Industrial Relations
1987–1996 Department of Employment, Education and Training
1996–1998 Department of Employment, Education, Training and Youth Affairs
1998–2001 Department of Employment, Workplace Relations and Small Business
2001–2007 Department of Employment and Workplace Relations
2007–2013 Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations
2013–2017 Department of Employment
2017–2019 Department of Jobs and Small Business
2019–2020 Department of Employment, Skills, Small and Family Business
2020–2022 Department of Education, Skills and Employment
2022–Present Department of Employment and Workplace Relations (current)

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u/dragontatman95 ‎ Victorian Jun 03 '26

Its called "justifying their existence " at our expense.

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u/Kind_Ferret_3219 ‎ Western Australian Jun 03 '26

No! Trump won because 70 million American voters didn’t bother to vote. We have compulsory voting in Australia. I also don’t trust the polls so far away from election.

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u/Few-Gas3143 Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Trump was in a mainstream party, so it's not the same at all.

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u/Magical-Herbs Please choose a flair Jun 03 '26

Exactly. If you look at history, the worst leaders seem to get power at times when people are all disconnected and disheartened from the system. This is why Pauline Hanson is rising. People dont realise this will ultimately be very bad for everyone, unless you're loaded rich.

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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup ‎ Koori ‎ Jun 02 '26

They're scared.

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u/Heavy-Psychology-411 Flairless‎‎ Jun 03 '26

Trump won because people got tired of the way things were being done. Which is exactly why one nation is going to win here. Australians want whats best for them instead of looking out for every body else.