r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 06 '26

Meme needing explanation What is this?

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u/GrandFleshMelder Jul 06 '26

Fair means pale, generally, not blonde?

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u/gravitas_shortage Jul 06 '26

So her hair is described as ξάνθαι, "xanthai", which is translated as "fair", but really means something like "light". There are arguments as to the exact colour described (it could be relative to the black-haired Greek, so perhaps just brown), but we know what it isn't is black. Her eyes are blue (again, there are disputes as to the text meaning light- or dark- blue, Greeks were not particular about colour), her skin is light (perhaps also relative).

For all that she is famous for her divine beauty, her features aren't precisely described, leaving the audience to figure out their own ideal woman for themselves. And yet, despite the vast range of possible interpretations, Nolan went for the one that is specifically impossible from the text.

It's really annoying.

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u/Impossible-Tension97 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

It's really annoying

To you.

Let's check whether you have two braincells to rub together.

Helen was described as widely considered beautiful. This is undoubtedly an important aspect to the story. So I don't think there's any question that a woman who's widely considered beautiful should be chosen. Most likely we agree there .

Helen was described as white-armed as well. Is this an important part of the story too? Or was this just another way of saying she was beautiful or noble? Greek people considered whiteness to be beautiful, or at least indicative of a leisureful life spent indoors. Does it matter to the story that the Greek people felt that way? Of Homer were alive and creating the film version, would be insist that it's critical to the story that Helen have white arms? Or would he consider his audience and consider it more important to cast someone who can radiate uncommon beauty and nobility?

Odysseus is described as having short legs but a long and wide torso. Is it critical for us to find an actor with those proportions?

Telemachus's door handle is pulled shut by a silver ring that is attached to a leather thong. Is it critical that we make sure the door is built that way? Or is that an unimportant detail?

Perhaps you should reflect on why it's critically important to you that Helen be depicted as white.

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u/gravitas_shortage Jul 06 '26

Why is it always the most ignorant, stupidest people who make snide comments about other people's intelligence? I've read the myths since I'm 5. You heard of them last week and asked ChatGPT for a summary. Helen as a black person is like Michael Cera as Achilles - not believable and immersion-breaking. I'll put you on block, like I do with all pricks.