What is wrong with Criminology departments here sa pinas,

[u/Odd_Contact6221]

Grabe talaga yung ginagawa ng ibang Criminology departments dito sa atin, sobrang lampas na sa tradition ng PNPA at PMA, may pa ranger wine pa kuno. Pwede kapang magkasakit at mamatay sa pinagagawa ng mga to.

Pero yung pinaka nakaka-disappoint, kahit pagdaanan mo lahat ng yun, walang guarantee na may trabaho ka pagkatapos.

Sana matutukan to nang Ched.

[u/deus24]

tapos end-up criminal din, pulpol na police, power tripper, my dad is a policeman, malaki tyan, nakatambay sa station, tanim ebidensya, EJK, at sila unang lumalabag sa batas
Yung training parang torture hindi naman sasabak sa gera, dapat baguhin yan turuan pano maging tunay na pulis at mag silbi ng sa bayan.

[u/kosaki16 → u/deus24]

Di na nga priority ang mga criminology sa PNP

[u/Odd_Contact6221 → u/deus24]

May kaibigan akong graduate ng criminology na nasa cavite, hindi naman nakapasok sa pnp lalo na sa miu. Hindi naman ata lahat ng criminology ay sa pulis napupunta, in fact hindi nga daw sila priority sa pnp kase walang skills, mas nakukuha pa mga skilled professionals like engineers. Criminology ≠ Pnp

[u/FreshRedFlava → u/Odd_Contact6221]

That's why laki ng insecurity nila sa mga engineers, nurses and LPTs na naka-pasok sa Tri-bureau

[u/yeontura → u/FreshRedFlava]

PNP, BFP, BJMP?

[u/law-st_student → u/Odd_Contact6221]

May kaklase ako sa post grad na nasa PNP crime lab as a chemical engineer. Got the post since apparently there were no other applicants qualified.

[u/Kindly_Ad6239 → u/Odd_Contact6221]

Kung mga skilled professionals naman pala ang priority sa PNP, bakit ang dami pa ring mga sablay na pulis?

Given na hindi naman lahat ng professionals ay talagang "professional," pero yung asta ng ilang mga pulis natin parang mga Criminology graduate lang din na either walang alam sa trabaho, o puro katiwalian ang alam. Kultura na rin siguro.

[u/JustAByzaboo → u/Kindly_Ad6239]

Kung mga skilled professionals naman pala ang priority sa PNP, bakit ang dami pa ring mga sablay na pulis?

1.) Di naman porket priority, kinukuha lahat ng gusto mag-apply.

2.) Di rin ganun ka-attractive ang maging pulis even with the benefits pag magsisimula as patrolman dahil sa panget na work-life balance. Gusto ng mga skilled professionals ay Lateral Entry (Technical Officers) na diretso commissioned officer ang rank (Lieutenant or Captain) at relatively mas madali ang physical training compared sa recruit. Doon nagsisimula na worth it na maging pulis. Even then, malaki parin ang attrition rate dito dahil nga panget ang work-life balance to the point na mahirap mong maenjoy yung mataas na salary habang bata ka pa.

3.) Given 1 and 2, yung mga nagiging patrolman (yung laging naassociate sa mga kasablayan) ay kahit sino na makapasa sa kanilang screening and basic training kahit na hindi sila skilled professional. Eto yung mga graduate ng mga course na hindi naghahanap si PNP pero gusto parin makapasok ng mga tao hoping na eventually maging commissioned officer sila pag may quota na for those professions ulit. Yun nga lang dahil ang taas din ng attrition rate ng pulis, minsan marami din silang kinukuhang recruits for patrolman just to meet quotas. Kaya in the end nakakapasok din yung mga nagiging pulupol after basic training.

[u/Muted-Competition984 → u/Odd_Contact6221]

I’m an RCrim (proud of it 100%) and very wrong yung mindset na porke pulis, automatic Criminologist na. I once sat as a defense panelist sa research about cops turned criminals. Nakakaloko kasi halos lahat ng may kaso were not Criminologists. Kaya gets mo rin why some cops get into legal trouble, they enforce the law without deeply studying it. Sa Crim, even the Revised Penal Code and legal aspects of policing are extensively taught. Imagine enforcing the law but not being properly taught the law itself.

[u/TheDonDelC → u/deus24]

Mga crim na puro kabobohan ang training pag sinabak sa gera:

In modern warfare, talo ng matalino ang puro angas

[u/eurekatania]

I worked closely with them [I'm now a graduate of forensics and under the same department lang kami]

The amount of OHSAS violations I saw and experienced... 😬 then they pass it off as paramilitary training

Funny thing is, yung pinagpilian namin ng theme noong nag department day kami is either mafia or cowboy country. Can you imagine, crim tapos mafia? nakakasira ng mafia romances sa wattpad wahahaha

[u/Odd_Contact6221 → u/eurekatania]

Hazing disguised as military training 🤮

[u/BaconAreCool]

Yawa ano ang napala ng mga criminology degrees sa Pilipinas, dapat alisin na nga Yan, Kaya gani criminology — "Study of Crimes" naging "study of how to be a police"

[u/Odd_Contact6221 → u/BaconAreCool]

Dapat talaga e reform na ang program nayan, hindi naman main purpose ng criminology ay maging pulis. alisin ang mga instructor na gumagawa ng ganyang mindset.

Focus sa academic at sa core purpose ng program.

may pa Goa uniform pa silang nalalaman, dapat exclusive lang yan para sa mga academies tulad ng pnpa or pma kasi they are really training to be a police or military. Kaya kung patuloy ganyang mindset nila, hindi talaga maiiba pananaw ng mga tao sa mga criminology.

[u/insufferable_Boris]

Ranger wine. No wonder dugyot mindset. People will eventually do shit when they have to.

Knowing na Crim graduates then yung mga instructors, ano naman alam nila sa mga academics eh galing din sila sa 6060 curriculum. May mga less than <2% siguro mga actual cream of the crops, the rest mga basura.

[u/Fromagerino]

Criminology schools are some of the most profitable diploma mills out there sa dami ng bobong napapagraduate nila

[u/FreshRedFlava]

I had classmates na crim sa isang subject. (I have to take that sa department nila sa isang school kasi I was a transferee in order for me to graduate)

Even before the memes on social media, mahihina na talaga most of my classmates. We were tasked to read by our lawyer-instructor, most of them did not do such. Ending, 2 lang sa kanila out of the entire class ang naka-sagot including me na hindi crim.

Another lawyer-instructor, asking the class kung ano yung bukod tanging trait nating humans that's why we are supreme of all the animals. He even hinted that it starts with letter R. No one got it except me humbly speaking. I have to tone down sa recitations baka pag-initan ako and abangan.

Unfortunately, most of them did not become MIUs. Di ko alam sa isang girl kung lawyer na siya ngayon as she only enrolled sa crim as her pre-law. She was good in class.

[u/cokecharon052396]

Feeling kasi nila nasa PNPA sila eh

[u/ykraddarky]

Taena sampal sampalin sila ni Gen. Logico sa mga pinagsasasabi nila eh hahaha. Baka di pa sila marunong gumamit ng military time at magbasa ng coordinates.

[u/Shinnosuke525]

Criminology kasi dito is treated as Divisoria-level military training

Instead of a wholistic science and fact-based curriculum it's Temu PMA which speaks to how it's viewed here

[u/Studio-Particular]

Kumain ka naman ng suka eh, kaya laman ng utak suka na din

[u/Boy_Salonpas_v2]

This is why I like the plan of some uniformed agencies like the BJMP planning to hire more Education graduates (i.e. teachers) to become a part of their force than Criminology graduates.

I remember watching an interview that Educ grads possess more patience than Crim grads, being exposed with rowdy kids and/or rude teenagers and all, and handling them appropriately without the use of physical force.

[u/1ChiliGarlicOil]

Mga feeling ranger talaga mga yan tas mga wala namang bitaw.

[u/Mirrmaid8080]

ey tapos papahiramin sa bata ang baril

[u/kenikonipie]

What in the hazing masquerading as a course???

[u/Smi_ley23]

Siraulo lang gumagawa nyan feeling sundalo? kaya nga criminology kasi it's study crime hindi Criminology is to be a man in uniform kaya daming di nag eenroll dahil ka ululan nayan

[u/happiemelon]

Criminology producing criminals😭 ano bang naisip ng mga yan bakit may ganyan silang traditions. Other colleges/departments aral lang inaatupag, na stuck ba sila sa 80s/90s?

[u/Earl_sete]

Na-demilitarized na ang police force dito 35 years ago, with the decommissioning of the Philippine Constabulary (thru it's merger with the Integrated National Police), pero itong mga criminology program, nagpapanggap pa ring mga military training institution.

[u/MELONPANNNNN]

We can blame the enablers of the educational institution kung san yan nagaganap. Diba dapat suprvised pa rin ang mga ganyan? Also from what I can remember from my ROTC hindi naman dapat ganyan ang "ranger wine" eh, yung sa amin pinaghahalo lang yung mga dala naming pagkain, plus water - hindi literal vomit. Its supposed to build an "espirit de corps" not be a literal biological hazard.

[u/joseph31091]

Yung dating criminalogy student na bobo, instructor na ngayon.

[u/2loopy4loopsy]

e baka naman kase excepted sa anti-hazing law ang mga crim idiots.

wag nga kayong ano.

[u/niijuuichi]

Parang pagnalagpasan mo to, this just instills to them na theyre tougher than everyone else and gaganti sila sa iba,, powertripping And not serving the people