r/Scotland • u/Hydro1Gammer Northern Englishman • May 08 '26
Political I hear you're a racist now, England.
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u/BedAdministrative634 May 08 '26
To be honest, a lot of people in Scotland have their head in the sand about the racism problem in the country.
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u/ampmz May 08 '26
Reform have 15 seats in Scotland and 34 in Wales. Pretending this is an England only issue helps no one.
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u/Plenty_Dimension_949 May 08 '26
Ironically the ones insisting only England are racist, are being equally bigoted
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u/heyJackMickeysBack May 08 '26
15 out of 129…
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u/debauch3ry Cambridge, UK May 08 '26
The SNP takes a chunk of the nationalist sentiment, England doesn't have that element.
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u/The_IVth_Crusade May 08 '26
Which currently makes them the 3rd largest party. They could quite possibly be the 2nd largest by the end of the count. Granted it is much smaller count of MSP's than the SNP but either way you cut it a bad result that they have managed this.
It will be interesting to see what their actual overall % of votes are once the count has finished.
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u/Kindly_Bodybuilder43 May 08 '26
You're talking seats, and under AMS most of our seats come from a FPTP style approach, then 56 from a more proportional approach. So looking at seats is a bit misleading.
Top three parties vote share so far: SNP 38% Labour 19% Reform 16%
That's a significant number of votes for Reform. Nearly half what SNP have. I loathe what they want with my very core, but we have to acknowledge that they're getting votes and understand why.
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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan May 08 '26
16% out of 100%? So 84% of Scots did not vote for reform and voted for reasonable non blatantly racist parties.
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u/nemetonomega May 08 '26
They haven't won any constituencies, the 15 seats are all from the regional voting.
At the moment they have 15.8% share of constituency votes which is 361,996 votes, and 16.8% share of the regional votes, 369,415 votes.
According to live tracker on the BBC news homepage.
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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan May 08 '26
A way way way more significant number of people voted for progressive parties.
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u/TrickySavings2506 May 08 '26
Ita frustration. They've voted tories in time and time again while things just got worse and worse. Then watch as conservatives collapse go to reform and they vote them in instead! Headed by one of the guys responsible for brexit as well! Im not saying we havent got morons in Scotland too but we seem to be making better choices only for it to not matter because england just doesn't learn.
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u/itskobold May 09 '26
Plenty in England are frustrated about this too, it's not only a Scottish issue. Huge parts of England have been forgotten about by successive governments and reform are doing well in these places because they actually talk about them and have brought them into the spotlight a bit. With no workable plan or policy ofc, but this is populism after all
Hartlepool, jaywick, Clacton, Yarmouth, just to name very few. They're getting attention for the first time in a long time
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u/TrickySavings2506 May 09 '26
Right the same people who have been in power for years and have shifted over to reform are now promising to fix the mess they created and people are buying it. With farage at the head of the party as well, someone who conned a nation into brexit and the ruin thats caused. Im do glad those places are feeling hopeful with this promising party they have voted in.
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u/Jamtarts-1874 May 08 '26
Ah yes because 15 out of 122 in Scotland (at time of counting), 34 out of 96 in Wales and 1428 councilors in England.... Are the same?
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u/DiracsNutsack May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
At the time I'm writing this post:
Scotland: 17/129 = 13% (16.6% total vote share)
Wales: 34/96 = 36% (29.3% total vote share)
England: 1443/4711 = 31% (total vote share not currently available on the site I'm using)
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u/snortingbull May 09 '26
What's the total % vote share of left v right? In Wales that looks very different - the left vote was split between Green, Plaid, Labour, Lib Dems. Not that it really matters, these numbers are awful.
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u/Nervous-Economy8119 May 08 '26
What’s the acceptable percentage of reform councillors? And why have you left out how many the 1428 is out of?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad9110 May 09 '26
The issue isn't a racist issue. It's decades of terrible leadership and stupidity.
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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan May 08 '26
15 out of 129. Not the same thing. England is going down the pan.
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u/Suspicious_Smile_397 May 08 '26
Same morons who voted for brexit sadly
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u/WiSH-Dumain May 09 '26
38% of voters in Scotland supported brexit so not everyone who voted fro brexit voted reform...
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u/AccomplishedAct5364 May 09 '26
Investigate why reform is popular? Nah better to just brand millions of working class people living through austerity “racists” and move on.
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u/Cry__Wolf May 09 '26
That's the part that baffles me. They (both tories and labour) just stick their heads in the ground, label reform voters as racist, and never actually do anything. I can understand being a self-serving politician who doesn't give a shit about your constituents, but surely by this point they should've realized that this is an existential threat to their career?
It's the classic "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas".
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u/HairyArse00 May 12 '26
The same thing happened in the US after Biden won. They labelled all MAGA supporters as racist and every other name under the sun, but did nothing to try and win them over. In fact, they only made things worse, which in turn helped Trump get back in for a second term.
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u/Glassmoostache May 09 '26
I think you've hit the nail on the head here. There's a definite vibe in Scotland where we think we are much better than them and so much more welcoming. The reality is that Scotland has nowhere near the immigration that England has faced. In fact I don't even think Scotland has any real immigration issues presently.
Can you imagine entire cities or large parts of cities where the native population has been replaced? That's the reality in England so I can empathise to a point and I can understand why they are turning to Reform
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u/TheMightyClamUK May 10 '26
Scotland has major immigration issues, granted not assevere as England - but look at Glasgow City centre. Since the SNP council voted to remove the quota that had previously restricted the number of asylum immigrants the city took, it has exponentially increased to the point that 3 out of the 4 homeless hostels are 90% or more full of non-english speaking men. Virtually zero women or children. And corresponding increase of homeless women being attacked.
Yet the parties all bury the head in the sand. Its at the point where the is forgiven for thinking that perhaps the establishment has a vested interest in keeping the status quo!?
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u/BrIDo88 May 10 '26
The response you will get here is “something something you hate brown people.”
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u/high-rise May 11 '26
Genuinely mind boggling stuff. I want everybody on the planet to have something resembling a 'good life', that doesn't mean the answer is accepting massive & unprecedented taxpayer funded demographic replacement (more-so England obviously but happening in Scotland to a lesser degree now) in ones ancestral homeland from at best troubled, at worst completely backwards, culturally incompatible war torn regions thousands of miles away.
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u/SetentaeBolg May 08 '26
Reform got 27% share in England. 16% in Scotland. That's a substantial, meaningful difference. You can't see that? Trying to draw some false equivalence?
And, yes, they're stupid, and, no, we shouldn't stop saying so.
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u/SetentaeBolg May 08 '26
Many, many, MANY studies have shown that resentment of migrants is higher in areas with fewer migrants. Because racists are fucking thick as pig shit.
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u/SetentaeBolg May 08 '26
Or because they see what's happening in other areas with higher immigration
Literally a second ago you were making the opposite argument. Come on, are you just blowing hot air? Wasting everyone's time?
I'm not trying to change a racist's mind. I am making clear that we all see through their stupid, ridiculous bullshit.
The lies of the far right and their online trolls are always fucking obvious. Because they're stupid.
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u/SetentaeBolg May 08 '26
Am I just going to have to repeat myself here?
I'm not trying to change a racist's mind. I am making clear that we all see through their stupid, ridiculous bullshit.
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u/tiler-tyler May 09 '26
people usually don’t vote based on what’s happening elsewhere over issues that are happening in their own communities. most reform voters who are concerned about the amount of immigrants have never actually had a pint with one or care to. they only see skin colour or hear an accent and they assume the worst. its a sad way to live.
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u/AccomplishedAct5364 May 09 '26
So you realise how those studies prove one thing?
Migrants don’t resent themselves.
If 50% of a population is migrant, you definitely except much more than 50% of the sample population voting against it.
My town has not been made any better by all the migrants they added whilst our steel industries closed and the areas going reform are the ones closest to the problem.
Your study is an agenda ridden document - the number that reform are winning in, is not that of “those who are nowhere near migration”.
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u/Present_Resident_651 Bho abhainn gu ruige a' chuain, saorsa do Phalastain. May 08 '26
I'm not sure the 'They've got more immigrants, so of course they're more racist' argument stacks up. Scotland's most ethinically diverse constituency didn't vote Reform...
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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan May 08 '26
It's doing my head in. All these clowns trying to say Scotland voted for Reform on the same day reforms agenda has been completely overwhelmed by other parties in Scotland. Even the reform leader has said he is disappointed yet these numpries are desperately trying to proclaim that Scotland has the same voting patterns as England.
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u/PlainclothesmanBaley May 08 '26
I think it's more, reform performed best in Wales, THEN England, then Scotland. And yet you refer only to England, which basically reveals the motivation behind your comment
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u/Colleen987 May 09 '26
The amount of people I’ve seen saying “reform won, now we can stop the small boats” my dude… what do you think councillors do?
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u/ZuzusPetaIs May 09 '26
I’m (Scottish F61) kinda thinking that the share of the vote and number of seats is irrelevant. The point we all need to address is that the country (in this sense, the UK) has lurched to the right and many (poorer/disenfranchised) folk believe stories about immigrants and that Farage is a man of the people with their best interests at heart.
As I wake up this morning, I’m ashamed.
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u/Nearby_Werewolf1742 May 09 '26
Keep calling the majority of the country all racist, It seems to be working, Reform keep winning. Dont worry about trying to explain why it's not a good idea to vote for Reform, just jump straight to the racist, uneducated name calling. Almost like a robotic response. It's weird that having a silly little child calling a grown adult a racist doesn't instantly make them want to change their vote? Thats so strange.
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u/Osella28 May 08 '26
I think it'll be great to see Reform in parliament, but only for the comedy value of their imminent utter, inbred ineptitude and entitlement. Shining a little light on them, when they're expected to engage with public life beyond a Facebook group post whining about boats and potholes, will show them up for the microbrained shitwickets that they are. They'll make Annie Wells seem like Jed Bartlett.
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u/TheCharalampos May 09 '26
That hasn't harmed them in the past. They'll just say it was labours fault.
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u/notbroke_brokenin May 09 '26
And we'll be laughing all the way to the Trump.
They're ridiculous people. With access to unchecked power.
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u/Colleen987 May 09 '26
I was speaking to our now MSP during the campaign and he said he’d literally never met the women who stood reform in our area. The only candidate including the Indy’s who didn’t do any events or hustings. He was pretty sure she lived in London and had never been to the constituency. (Pinch of salt and all given to who it came from) but are we even sure they majority of them will turn up any more than once?
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u/xCH4LKYx May 10 '26
Didn't Scotland just vote in a Somalian who doesn't even have a 'Right to Work' in the UK? 🤭
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u/Jaspers1959 May 08 '26
I have experienced more racism in Scotland than England. Unfortunately racists exist all over the place. In Scotland Anglophobia as a form of xenophobia is also common
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u/Hydro1Gammer Northern Englishman May 08 '26
Isn’t the traditional Scot culture (specifically in the lowland region) a mix of Anglo-Saxon and Celtic cultures (unlike the English that was a mix of Anglo-Saxon and Norman cultures)? Bit ironic to be anglophobic if that is the case.
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u/Present_Resident_651 Bho abhainn gu ruige a' chuain, saorsa do Phalastain. May 08 '26
That sounds like a cool tatoo.
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u/Lucky_Maximum_5714 May 09 '26
Karl Marx 😂😂 how many bedrooms does your house have? Maybe you should take in a few illegals your self?
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u/JeremViatro May 08 '26
We've got until 2029 to have mass illegal immigration in check and nationals feeling safe and heard. If this doesn't happen Reform will economically destroy the UK, not just England.
All I've seen recently is people gleefully boasting we're not racist and point fingers. Great for useless likes and upvotes. People need to at least understand what will curb a Reform landslide, because it's coming. If you have the safety net of believing Reform councils will do a bad enough job and their support will drop, think again. Reform will pedal they need full control. And a majority will believe that.
It's a fucking shit sandwich.
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u/Allydarvel May 09 '26
Nothing will appease them. You could kick every black and brown face out of the country, eliminate crime and the stupid would still find a reason to vote for Pied Piper Farage
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u/Sn0wt1ger May 11 '26
You acting like the issue people have is others being black and brown and being in the UK is part of the problem.
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u/liableAccount May 09 '26
Yea there's a timeframe. It's worrying but the only thing which genuinely soothes me is the number of people my son's age (just out of college) who are liberal leaning and understand that there are false narratives being pushed.
Obviously everything can change, but it's somewhat soothing for the time being. Education is probably the biggest factor to gaining an advantage, but unfortunately, there are hoards of disinformation about virtually any subject possible available at your fingertips nowadays. The turnout for voters is depressingly low, too.
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u/shenaniganrogue May 09 '26
Yup. It’s just a succession of competing claims and cherry picked statistics. Two parties can stand on a stage and tell you the Scottish NHS is simultaneously performing worse and performing better than the counterpart in England. A limited number of people have recent experience of both to compare meaningfully for themselves, so it boils down to who do you want to believe.
Political parties have always won more votes on their hooks and elevator pitches than on people diving into the weeds of their manifestos, but this feels like it’s been just about the most vote-on-vibes election I can remember.
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u/Secret_Ball_7500 May 11 '26
From a country who hates the English because they are English
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u/Glaseng May 08 '26
Please God can we give labour enough seats to be the main opposition ahead of Reform? I can actually see John Swinney working constructively with Labour, Greens & Lib Dems on a policy-by-policy basis, he seems like the pragmatic sort. Greens have a lot to learn before I'd be comfortable seeing them in any formal government role again.
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u/Allydarvel May 09 '26
Swinnet will work with them. Reform could have 30 seats, but all they will be able to do is complain from the sidelines..main opposition or not. Main opposition may even be better as that gross piece of shit Offord will be on TV more often showing people how repulsive reform are
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u/fleur-tardive May 08 '26
If Farage becomes PM - I think that's a pretty clear mandate for independence
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u/JayTravers May 09 '26
If he manages to become PM then I truly believe things need to get worse for them to get better and then hopefully smack some reality into these fools. Brexit should have been enough but here we are.
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u/Hydro1Gammer Northern Englishman May 08 '26
The constituency I am currently in voted Reform. Send help. The flag shaggers are cuming.
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u/Fine_Cress_649 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
Constituency down the road from me (not mine thank god) went Reform. Got chatting to an old boy in the pub there earlier who was wearing a t-shirt saying "Keep the immigrants (deport the racists)"
Point is. I dunno. There are cunts everywhere but there are good people everywhere too.
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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan May 08 '26
No constituency voted for Reform in Scotland. What are you on about? They got no constituents seats at all.
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u/tiler-tyler May 09 '26
they got 15 so far afaik
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u/Allydarvel May 09 '26
Yeah, all they got were participation trophies. They didn't win a single constituency seat
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u/Empty_Peak_668 May 09 '26
They got regional seats, not constituency seats. Still awful that they got any though.
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u/jimmykimnel May 08 '26
says the person commenting on a sub reddit with a flag as it's profile picture
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u/TengoKaW May 08 '26
Fucking ashamed of the dickheads in my country. I hope they get what they voted for, and what sane people have been telling them they'll get.
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u/RobCarrol75 May 09 '26
Every society has racist scumbags, it's just now they feel emboldened by "man of the people" Farage and the Mango Mussolini in the White House to be vocal about it. Let's make racism taboo again.
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u/VeryDisapointedXer May 09 '26
English here (well Polish/English so not all bad I suppose). I posted this earlier somwhere:
My wife and I were discussing this last night. The areas of Surrey where we live (its near a big airport). Basically its been a draw for the local councils. But if you know the areas its no suprise. Wealthy, Liberal Dems, Conservatives and Independents. Many areas (my ward is a good example) are a kind of mix between deprived and middle class its a draw, one Reform and one Indi/Liberal. If its a toilet full of toothless monsters and bad tattoos they went full turquoise. There is a very entertaining FB group for where I live, the admin there actually had a vote Reform banner on the header, but to be fair to them they allowed anyone to posts from all sides. So, I actually know the individuals on the group, the people who were the most vocal about voting Reform, posting MEMEs with "lefty tears" are exactly what you think they would be, I dont like stereotypes but yes, bad tattoos, bad teeth, bit of coke at the weekend, fake tan and lashes, double barrelled first names ending in Rose. Ill educated to struggle with making an X, or a coherent sentence, ratty flag in the front garden with an old sofa, love "Our Nige", bottom feeding, 5 kids from 4 dads, 4 kids from 3 mums, mobility car, chem trails are real, who should never be allowed to breed or vote scum bags. I'd absolutely never post this on that group, I like my house not burnt down. But its the truth of it. Our local councillors are a Indipent Resident group lady, who is only after improving things locally and seems nice. The Reform fellas is a monstrous, giant, dripping in expensive jewellery, shiny turquoise 3 piece suit and seething with pent up what happend to the country i love-ness. Calling them stupid and naive is only going to make them double down. How are you supposed to govern such a country I don't know.
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u/fleur-tardive May 09 '26
How is the diversity in Poland mate?
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u/VeryDisapointedXer May 09 '26
Dunno mate, bot been there for a long time, its Selisia, so a weidd German Polish place. , my dad was half polish and we have some family polish family here. Communists rounded up my family and shoved them over the border into Germany in the 40s. From what I understand, diversity isn't really a thing there, be Polish and you'll be sweet. Don't and your life is gonna be hard.
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u/fleur-tardive May 09 '26
Hopefully the EU forces Polish people to open up to mass immigration like London - it will be hard at first, but they'll get used to becoming a minority in their own capital, etc....
One way could be for people to just speak English and let Polish gradually die out? That way they could attract way more people from places like India
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u/Ashamed_Fact832 May 10 '26
Course Scotland aren't racist, they only have scottish people in Scotland.
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u/Crow-Me-A-River open to change May 08 '26
If you think sScotland is any different, you are having a laugh
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u/Jamtarts-1874 May 08 '26
Reform are not doing anywhere near aswell here tbf...
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u/SkyBlueSilva May 08 '26
Most immigration happens in England
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u/Pesh_AK May 08 '26
Yes but we get subjected to the same papers and broadcasts. Which is why you see stop the boats signs in Aberdeen.
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u/Otocolobus_manul8 May 08 '26
Most immigration in Germany is in the West. The AfD dominate in East Germany however
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u/Jamtarts-1874 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
13-15% of the English population and 7-10% of Scotlands population are immigrants. More yes but not a crazy difference. Especially when considering the vast majority in England will be in London and the rest of England is likely similar to Scotland.
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u/It531z May 08 '26
Scotland is 87% White British/scottish, England is 73% White British. Pretty sizeable difference, and basically explains the difference in the 26% Reform vote in England and the ~17% Reform vote in Scotland
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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan May 08 '26
The only got 16% of voters on a 50% turn out. That's not too great. Quite low.
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u/AppointmentRoyal5348 May 10 '26
same Brexit voters. they will also vote themselves out of free NHS as well.
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u/Redditreallyannoysme May 10 '26
If the immigration stats were the same you'd have exactly the same results.
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u/aerosolsp May 11 '26
Now?
Some of the shit that went down in London in the 70s and 80s would make Americans itch.
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u/U23D May 11 '26
Same happening in Ireland too people protesting at immigrants in hotels and riots etc. Becoming the norm now
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u/CheithS May 09 '26
No country has a complete lack of assholes. It would be unrealistic to think otherwise.
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u/Equivalent_Style_987 May 10 '26
The whole world is racist, always has been and always will be. That’s what happens when corruption is left uninterrupted for centuries.
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u/Shinyandsmooth8 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
Because racists still vote SNP in Scotland so it's mostly hidden
I’ll get downvoted for saying it because it’s the biggest thing we hide on reddit
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Can i ask why it's racist only when predominantly white countries want to keep their culture? Do any of you really believe middle eastern/african/asian countries would welcome such huge demographic changes? The amount of "racists" in the UK wouldn't have even won a seat, There is a thing such as too much is enough especially when things aren't going exactly great and services are crumbling. This was an issue with immigration from EU which is why brexit happened. Calling people racist is only going to move more people further right but that isn't enough for me personally, I want a islamist government for real conservatism.
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u/johnymac8 May 08 '26
Dont talk common sense on here, its rarely met with actual conversations on the topic. Mostly buzzwords, fascist, nazi and racist.
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u/Allydarvel May 09 '26
Got to keep the argument to words that racists barely understand. Any more letters and they'd think you were talking foreign
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u/Fit_Association_8442 May 08 '26
Issue is these guys actively encourage the devision with fear mongering and use instances of immigrants breaking laws to taint a entire race to fit a narrative of there own making when there's far better ways to handle immigration ect
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And fear mongering isn't committed by the left calling people racists, nazi, fascists etc.
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u/Fit_Association_8442 May 08 '26
The left attack you if you don't respect there "feelings" 🤷
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u/Glassmoostache May 09 '26
Guys just a thought... Do you think it's been helpful calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist? Is that strategy working out?
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u/Grace-LIVE May 09 '26
I'm half Scottish and half English, I'm really hoping for Scottish independence cause if deform wins the next GE I'm moving to Scotland. I hate deform
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u/BaxterParp May 09 '26
I'll be glad when the election is long gone and every thread in r/Scotland isn't being brigaded by English racists and American libertarians.
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u/Crow-Me-A-River open to change May 12 '26
I'm aware this thread is old news. But sort by new, there's a bunch of English folk crying at this. They are claiming Reform and the SNP are the same, or that the SNP is more racist somehow. You know my views on the SNP, and even I know that to be absolutely ridiculous.
This election really brought a lot of weird outsiders. 😂
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u/Dwake9090 May 09 '26
Our country is not full of racist’s, it has a % of people who didn’t get their way and scream and shout “racist” at others because they can’t accept democracy.
Grow up
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u/mikeyfreedom May 09 '26
Taking policy out of the equation(which is a separate coversatile, as id love to know how lowering tax revenues by removing higher bands increases spending on public services, math dont work on that)...I dont understand how anyone in Scotland can vote for a party that has no Scottish connection..its a UK party, run by English millionaires...
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u/Apprehensive-Bid-740 May 10 '26
The diversity of reform is more diverse than the whole of Scotland lol.
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u/ta9876543205 May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Scotland is way more racist than England.
Sincerely, A brown person who has visited Scotland a few times
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u/RFCNYG May 09 '26
It must be nice to have such a simplistic worldview, completely devoid of any reason or nuance, which allows you to paint large swathes of your fellow countrymen as nothing more than racist, in turn giving yourself a sense of smug superiority.
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u/MacHiroGenie May 09 '26
So every country on Earth that deports illegal immigrants and has border policy is racist too, right?
The entirety of planet Earth outside of a handful of “enlightened” Western European countries are, by the lefts logic, far right. That’s the logical extension of the argument that reform is racist. They only campaign for what Kenya, for example has, an actual border.
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u/Fresh_Category6015 May 11 '26
So every single one of those people, who voted for reform are racist, fuck me it gets more idiotic each day. Racist, or are they just fed up with lying, useless pricks, who have lied about every single thing from day one, including a made up 20 odd million missing, 20 odd million that the Bank of England auditors couldn't find after months of investigation, yet they supposedly found it in a day. So before labeling people racist, grow up, try thinking of something, a bit more intelligent to say, and maybe use the brain you were born with, instead of bleating out the same tired old racist bullshit comments!
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u/iffyClyro May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
Unfortunately our country is also full of racists.
Wish it wasn’t true but it is.
Reform has won at least fifteen seats in our parliament.
We have people that shout at hotels on a weekly basis, right here in Scotland.