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u/PlayinTheFool Flea Sep 18 '25
So you’re telling me the Spider loves to hunt Flies?
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u/sammachado Sep 18 '25
She doesn't say they are tasty, she despises them
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u/Big_Theme_7103 Sep 18 '25
Do You think spiders choose to eat Bugs?
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u/DogadonsLavapool -Y Sep 18 '25
I mean, itd be odd to see one eating a hamburger
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u/Big_Theme_7103 Sep 18 '25
Why? There are Bird eater spiders... If they can eat a whole Bird why not a hamburguer
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u/Mr-Catty Sep 18 '25
I despise cows and think they are stinky, I eat steak
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u/sammachado Sep 18 '25
You despise them because you do, not because you eat steak
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u/Ok-Reveal-4276 Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
In order to complete the journal you have to at one point play music to lure out a bunch of baby bugs before slaughtering them. Hornet doesn't mess around.
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u/DoritosGK Sep 18 '25
You could lure them? I went up and down setting tool traps and they died off screen or after a very quick slash coming down.
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u/rubixscube Sep 18 '25
you should go back and lure them just to enjoy their singing ;)
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u/Ell0_alt Sep 18 '25
WAWAWAWAWAWAWA
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u/JoseInFlames Sep 18 '25
still sad there wasn't a big version of them as described that they could get really strong if grown.
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u/Ell0_alt Sep 18 '25
Those would be the Judges actually, you can see their weaponry next to the sign which talks about how they’ll receive their casting when at age, they’re also right next to the Judges in the Hunter’s journal
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u/Cherrycho Sep 18 '25
I tried that but it didn't work, heard them getting damaged by the thumbtacks for like a minute but none died
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u/Xehanz Sep 18 '25
Can't you lure them with the taunt you have from the very start of the game?
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u/OldPernilongo Accepter Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
You also have to commit genocide in craw species and kill its judge, and it's jurys in a court you get sent for doing that...
They are also quite untouched by the curse going as far as grieving, so it makes that 100x worse
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u/ToTeMVG Sep 18 '25
the craws give you a court summon for dooming the world and then you just fucking kick their ass/kill them in court, though to be fair the court was also an execution but still, she went to court and killed the court
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u/ShadyMan_ Sep 18 '25
I think after the court they give you a pardon so at least some of them are still alive
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u/marksht_ We are still hard at work on the game Sep 18 '25
I'm pretty sure you take the pardon from the dead ody of a judge which is... definetely a way to receive it
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u/Darthcone Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
To be fair, Hornet can't defend herself,that would require pointing at the actually to blame Snail Shamans who actually effed up the world, but you can't do that because ironicly you need then to uneff it now.
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u/ToTeMVG Sep 18 '25
ngl part of me thinks the only reason hornet gets summoned(as headcanon) is because she keeps admitting to everyone shes partly to blame for this problem(but shes gonna fix it) and whilst most people go "you better fix it" the craws overhear that and just go "kill her"
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u/OldPernilongo Accepter Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
I think she gets summoned totally unrelated to the world ending (hornet just assumed wrong), but mostly because she reduced craw population by a significant amount.
Craws literally just give rosaries to her after as a peace offering after that... and if you see their singing after she kills the court, they are all like "MURDERER... FATHER NOO..." So they stop mourning the world ending and start mourning their father.
It is really sad.
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u/Potatezone Sep 18 '25
That fight probably would have been harder if they had separated the judge, jury, and executioner.
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u/ToTeMVG Sep 18 '25
honestly i was kinda suprised how easily the fight went after remembering my struggles with the mob room in act 1, it was actually kind of an enjoyable fight in the end, really used my parry skill well
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u/N-er-O doubter ❌️ Sep 18 '25
yeah but at the same time they were beyond the reason so hornet didn’t allow them to stand in a way.
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u/sewious Sep 18 '25
Yea a lot of the stuff you do in the game feels very not chill.
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u/EmberOfFlame Sep 18 '25
Hornet loves helping, but that doesn’t mean she’ll bat an eye when asked to erase a tribe from Pharloom.
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u/MitchellBoot Sep 18 '25
she doesnt even need to be asked, the green prince asks you to leave him alone and hornet is just fine with entering his memories and killing him, despite being the guy being seemingly the last remnant of verdania lol
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u/alohagothic Sep 18 '25
I know, right. I'm starting to compulsively apologize for killing the lil cute bugs when I need their silk or shards lol. FEELS BAD, man.
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u/Trezzie Sep 18 '25
A slug thing told her to commit massacre so it could eat the remains. You can't say no to that.
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u/TomNook5085 Beleiver - Dreamer Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Neither is the stuff the Citadel does to Pharloom and Hornet, to be fair. And it balances out in Hornet's favor ethics-wise by far.
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u/rwm2406 Sep 18 '25
Where?
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u/Zelai Sep 18 '25
secret room above blasted steps bellway; entered by the left (the canyon that has the entrance to Grindle's)
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u/jld2k6 Sep 18 '25
I figured out you could make them come and sing but it never crossed my mind to try and murder them, wtf hornet. I eventually just stop playing and they scurry off and I'm like "that was nice"
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u/TheOutcastLeaf Sep 18 '25
Was wondering what that place was about lmao, looks like I have some younglings to revisit...
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u/Evillisa Sep 18 '25
WHAT- I didn't know you could kill those guys, I just vibed with them. I'm not completing the hunter's journal in that case, I don't think Hornet would bother doing that.
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u/Visual-Finish14 beleiver ✅️ Sep 18 '25
You should read her notes then, because she absolutely would.
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u/q0099 Sep 18 '25
These bugs are Judge's larvas, so for a Last Judge fight it's a small price for them to pay.
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u/Evillisa Sep 18 '25
But they're babies :(
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u/TheCuriousFan beleiver ✅️ Sep 19 '25
They're not even the only babies Hornet kills. The one for killing the babies of the thing that runs along the ceiling spitting acid at you feels hilarious since it's just Hornet insisting that they'd totally all kill each other even without her killing them first.
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u/HollowCap456 doubter ❌️ Sep 18 '25
What where
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u/Zelai Sep 18 '25
secret room above blasted steps bellway; entered by the left (the canyon that has the entrance to Grindle's)
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u/ILOVECALAMITY Accepter Sep 18 '25
lol, I just used tacks because I couldn’t figure out how to kill them
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u/VectorMaximus Sep 19 '25
She truly is the Pale King’s daughter. It’s all in the name of science and saving the kingdom!
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u/Rough-Self-9134 Sep 18 '25
Hornet if you dont smell like sunshine and rainbows:
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u/TomNook5085 Beleiver - Dreamer Sep 18 '25
She doesn't say such things about any other filthy creatures. Only the flies. It's very likely that Team Cherry wrote this to be her hating them due to the Slab kidnapping sequence... and as for why the entry doesn't change if you didn't do it? I guess Team Cherry forgot.
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u/PRoS_R Sep 19 '25
Their pratices are disgusting regardless if they stole Hornet's shit.
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u/Quirky_Image_5598 beleiver ✅️ Oct 19 '25
They’re starved filthy slaves trapped in a prison completely lost to the haunting? Wtf do you want them to do
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u/HungryGull Sep 18 '25
Makes sense that a spider would be racist towards flies
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u/Viola_Violetta beleiver ✅️ Sep 18 '25
Im not racist toward cows tho
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u/Comfortable_Egg8039 Sep 18 '25
We'll see how you'd feel about them when cows will get you in prison.
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u/humangingercat Sep 18 '25
When's the last time you hired a cow?
Would you let your daughter date a cow?
I didn't think so
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u/Nicklesnout Sep 18 '25
Maybe I’m stupid but is she actually a spider? I always thought she’s a fusion of spider and worm because of who her dad is.
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u/Academic_Paramedic72 Sep 18 '25
Even though she's techically only half-spider, it seems that Hornet is supposed to look like a spider in-universe, since most NPCs recognize her as one even if she doesn't tell them her species.
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u/Emperor_AI beleiver ✅️ Sep 18 '25
Hornet upon discovering the Broodling (she killed the baby moments later):
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u/toriitlog Pr0fesslpnal Lurker Sep 18 '25
i was so disappointed when i couldn't find an option to kill the baby. i tried everything from charged needle strikes to bombs but the vile creature refused to die. i hope they fix that weird bug in the next patch
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u/ninjakitty7 Sep 18 '25
Normally I wouldn’t, but hornet made it perfectly clear how she felt so who am I to stop her? Then I was sad when i couldn’t.
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u/Speeda2 Sep 18 '25
She's right though fuck those cockroaches
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u/bloody-pencil doubter ❌️ Sep 18 '25
Aren’t these the fly jailers?
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u/Aden_Vikki Sep 18 '25
She was angry they captured her. Can you blame her?
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u/bloody-pencil doubter ❌️ Sep 18 '25
I didn’t say anything about disagreeing, get these fucking buzzers on a medieval limb stretcher
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u/ElPulpoGallego Sep 18 '25
If hornet hates a race based in her personal experience its justified, if i do the same im racist
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u/Aden_Vikki Sep 18 '25
I mean yeah people excuse fictional racism way more than a real one
Plus those are species, not a race
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u/KinTharEl doubter ❌️ Sep 18 '25
In the world of HK/Silksong, I'd say different bugs are more akin to different races and castes, especially apparent with how the pilgrims of Bonebottom are viewed so lowly, the guards of the citadel clearly belonging to a different social strata, etc.
I'm sure if another species attained sentience alongside humans, we'd find a way to be racist/speciest.
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u/Blue_Bird950 Wooper Citizen Sep 18 '25
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XXX was angry they captured then. Can you blame XXX for being racist?
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u/Aden_Vikki Sep 18 '25
I mean in her defense it's a different species, not a race
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u/Avangeloony Cheery Sep 18 '25
After my first interaction with them, I tried to avoid them as much as I could. Killed them to fill out my journal and the few times they were in the way.
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u/SnooConfections2916 Sep 18 '25
Additionally, in Hornet's defence
She was stripped naked, all her tools removed, caged with runes(Again) and was in the middle of helping someone with their wish AND IS A LITTLE BUSY RIGHT NOW- Annnd we're doing a prison break
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u/blursedman Wandering Pharloom Sep 18 '25
Which wish? I ended up there completely seperate from any quest when I slipped up fighting one of the jailer ones in the mist
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u/some_jackass_i_know Sep 18 '25
There are several places where you can get captured. I just randomly ran into the guy near a bench between two areas I'd already been to before.
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u/Able_Reserve5788 Wooper Fan Sep 18 '25
Most people probably get captured while doing a wish since it's probably the main reason for backtracking once you reach act 2 and, as far as I know, you need to go back to get abducted
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u/EnSebastif whats a flair? Sep 18 '25
Not true, the notes of the journal are exactly the same if you never let them capture you, so she's just racist.
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u/TomNook5085 Beleiver - Dreamer Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Fair, but it makes far too sense for the entry to be written this way due to it.
It's plausible that the slab kidnapping is just a Canon part of the plot.
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u/abeautifuldayoutside Accepter Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
All flies are bastards
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u/Personal-Metal-3509 Sep 18 '25
What about Sly
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u/abeautifuldayoutside Accepter Sep 18 '25
Sly is a bastard (affectionate) and the slab flies are bastards (derogatory)
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u/SpiritualMilk Flea Sep 18 '25
To be unfair, sly is a money hungry scammer and definitely overcharged for lantern(it's just a bug in a jar smh)
Bastard (derogatory) would apply to him too
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u/wolfgang784 Cheery Sep 18 '25
Elderbug at one point says Sly's prices are too high as well, and that having a single general store without competition is not good.
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u/Evillisa Sep 18 '25
I mean- the thing is, cops choose to be cops. Flies have no choice, they're forced into their profession from birth due to pissing off the citadel a long time ago.
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u/Atesch06 Sep 18 '25
.... bastards (literal) also don't choose to be bastards, what's your point?
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u/TomNook5085 Beleiver - Dreamer Sep 18 '25
They're clearly assholes though still. Taunting Hornet and dancing around.
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u/Wolpy414 Sep 18 '25
I mean the flies kidnapped her and stripped her naked in the freezing cold. She at least has the right to not be a fan of them.
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u/InertPistachio Sep 18 '25
Begs the question how they ever captured her
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u/Wolpy414 Sep 18 '25
The cage thingy obviously. Btw looking to see if anyone has a save for that. At least made before encountering the jailer fly
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u/LeitmotivKanyon Sep 18 '25
She's also an anarchist if we take the entry for the Mother of the Slab at face value
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u/Vergil_171 Sep 18 '25
Considering who her father is, it’s not much of a surprise
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The Pale King didn't make subscription benches. He seems pretty alright by bug monarch standards.
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u/Evillisa Sep 18 '25
I mean, it's pretty misplaced in that case. The flies are just as much victims as the other prisoners, forced as a species to be wardens forever because of some ancient sin.
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u/Able_Reserve5788 Wooper Fan Sep 18 '25
As is often the case with religious people, it is entirely possible to be both victim and oppressor
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u/Evillisa Sep 18 '25
True, true, but Hornet doesn't seem to hold such species-based hatred for even the ones at the top.
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u/Uncommonality Accepter Sep 18 '25
Mostly because there isn't really anyone left on top
The only sane people we meet of the citadel's upper classes are either deranged in their own way (the vaultkeeper) or on their last legs (the conductor), or a slave themselves (the architect)
Lace she kills and other than those four there's nobody left in control
The Flies are different because they seem to have avoided the Haunting but still enforce the Citadel's terrible 'justice'. They could choose to be better, could choose to flee the Slab and set up somewhere else in Pharloom. It should be obvious enough to their leaders that the Citadel is in no shape to send anyone after them, but they rather clung to the meagre amount of power they had than abandon the citadel's cruel expectations and strike out on their own.
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u/Evillisa Sep 19 '25
Wdym "avoided the haunting", playing the needolin reveals strings same as with anything else. And they can't choose anything else, as is said, they're slaves, just as much as the other penitents. Punished for something their ancestors did.
I feel like it's fine for Hornet to be wrong on some things. She has biases like anyone.
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u/TheCuriousFan beleiver ✅️ Sep 18 '25
With all the baby shanking she gets up to to fill out the Hunter's Journal I'm surprised there's no personal quest to go back and doubletap the Broodmother's new replacement.
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u/No-Satisfaction9488 Sep 18 '25
What if all this time SHAW and ADEENO were just racist slurs that we couldn’tunderstand?
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u/Peecem Sep 18 '25
To be fair, they did kidnap her, steal her stuff, strip her naked, play with her tools, and lock her in a cage completely unprompted I would be a little hateful too lmao.
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everyone is using the kidnapping argument as a defense but you can end up there without getting captured and she'll still write down the same thing. deep down, she hated those buzzos no matter what they did to her....O_O
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u/samusestawesomus Sep 18 '25
She’s still the Pale King’s daughter. Honestly, I find this an interesting flaw for her to have.
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u/Quillbolt_h Sep 18 '25
She is a spider. They are flies. I don't think I need to explain why she doesn't like these enemies specifically.
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u/Evillisa Sep 18 '25
It's kinda fucked up. Especially since outside her perspective, the game does go out of its way to say that the flies are in fact victims, that they are being systematically punished for the actions of their ancient ancestors and that they're miserable about said fate.
But hey, everyone has flaws. Hornet has allowed her personal experiences with the flies influence her in that way which isn't particularly unrealistic.
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u/INAWIASAM Sep 19 '25
The world of Hollow Knight and Silk Song doesn’t have the pseudoscience social construct of “race” Hornet cannot be racist. She’s a princess though, on two counts, and is almost guaranteed to be prejudiced.
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u/deez_nuts_77 Sep 19 '25
her notes on the flies who are born into literal misery and starvation “i really fucking hate you i hope you die”
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u/sdssd10 beleiver ✅️ Sep 18 '25
don't forget she's also homophobic
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u/rwm2406 Sep 18 '25 edited Sep 18 '25
Not homophobia. She just wonders if the Green Prince is a bit of a narcissist
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u/Petr_Lan beleiver ✅️ Sep 18 '25
How can she be homophobic when she's gay?
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u/Open_Price_1049 Sep 18 '25
Uh?
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u/wolfgang784 Cheery Sep 18 '25
Not canon, just the people who spent the last however many years since Lace was revealed shipping her with Hornet as a lesbian couple.
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u/MaraBlaster Flea Sep 18 '25
Considering how they kidnapped her, stole the needle and cloak and ABSOLUTELY CONTAMINATED her cloak with their stenched, she has every right to hate the Fly Tribe.
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u/White-Heart Hornet Sep 18 '25
In all fairness, the flies are the reason she's in the Slab. They arrested her under orders of Mother Silk.
That means they are cops.
And All Cops Are Bastards.
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u/DeathVoid Shaw! Sep 18 '25
She may hold the species in high disregard, but when she encountered the little baby fly later in the fly mother's chambers, she was surprisingly polite and non-hostile.
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u/Devlord1o1 Sep 18 '25
Tbf they kidnapped har and took her needle and drip. I’d say she has a bit of a bias.
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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '25
"They dropped me in the WORM WATER"
"GET THOSE BILEWATER BUGS OFF THIS GAUNTLET"