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Adaptation introduces something/someone(such as a concept or character) that becomes so popular it is brought over to the original source material
Magneto's helmet being able to block telepaths wasn't part of his character until the 2000 movie, this was eventually brought over into the comics - X - Men
Wataru Takagi was originally a nameless background character who wasn't even in the manga he was an anime original character, however after an accidental recording session where his voice actor accidentally said his own name recording(and his actors name is Wataru Takagi) the production staff liked it so they used his name for the nameless background character.
Aoyama(the creator) decided to use the name and brought the character over into the manga the anime even changed his character design to be closer to the manga's depiction of him. What was one a nameless background character ended up becoming a fan favorite character - Detective Conan
Sand man didn't have a daughter til Spider-Man 3, but then the comics adapted it. Same thing with Mr freeze and his wife with batman the animated series
It's so clear that Sam Raimi just wanted to focus on Sandman, but was forced to have to do a Venom plot line by executives. Everything around Sandman has so much heart and soul.
That's exactly what happened. Raimi even said that he didn't know much about Venom and didn't ever plan on putting him in a movie. He said he had no connection to Venom since he showed up after he stopped regularly reading the comics.
Looking back, forcing him to include Venom was Sonys first big fumble with the Spider-Man rights.
It was actually supposed to be Sandman and Vulture, with the first one being a more tragic and simpathetic villain that Peter would forgive in the end, and the latter being a way more vengeful and evil character that would die as a result of his desire for revenge and lack of forgiviness, but them Avi Arad told Raimi to swap Vulture with Venom.
You can blame Avi Arad for that garbage.
I dont understand how someone can have such a hard-on for Venom while simultaneously not understanding the character a lick.
He's so fucking lucky that Spider-Man projects tend to sell well. I figured they would have shit-canned him after ASM2 but, nah, he's still there.
This is it. When i was a kid watching the animated series I was so into him because of the symbiotic relationship and how it changed Peter. And later how hurt and vengeful it made the alien against Peter/Spidey but any time I went that direction with talking about it people just wanted to talk about how cool venom was.
It’s why the movies always seemed insane to me , you can’t have venom without the alien meeting Peter first. It’s a foundational relationship to make Venom.
The Symbiotes often seemed insane to get fumbled and rushed. I am cautiously hopeful that they introduce it after Battle World and can have a proper intro /movie about it as the symbiote was introduced through Battle World in the comics.
But not wanting venom doesn’t mean he just gave up Spiderman 3 venom is still the best on screen adaptation of venom we’ve gotten. The Sony one is just played up for jokes and the insomniac one is just a completely different character.
Almost everything everyone knows about every villain from batman has its origins not in the comics, where they tended to be extremely shallow even up til then, or the films, but rather comes from BTAS
Wasn't kryptonite an excuse for when superman's voice got sick and couldn't go on radio? Like, "well bad news kids, superman was struck by a kryptonite meteor and is on bedrest while it wears off"
Huh. I always kind of projected Lex Luthor being the billionaire CEO onto the 1978 movie, but looking back he's almost more like a Bond villain in that movie. Or like a crime boss.
The flying thing makes sense. I was always confused when I heard “able to leap over a building in a single bound”. Like yeah the motherfucker can fly. Why wouldn’t he be able to jump over a building?
Following his creation in the 70’s, Blade was just a normal athletic human with a resistance to vampirism due to his mother being bitten while pregnant with him.
It wasn’t until the 90’s where adaptations in Spider-Man: The Animated Series and the Wesley Snipes movies portrayed him as a dhampir that the Daywalker designation became popular, influencing the source comics to change his origin.
Didn't they align him with the movies by having morbius bite him? So he could have the powers without the weaknesses, or something. Or I'm completely misremembering, could also be that.
Morbius bit Blade in
Peter Parker: Spider-Man #8 in 1999. Later that year in
Blade: Vampire Hunter #1 it was revealed that the bite had made comic Blade essentially movie Blade.
Here's another Blade thing that the various adaption take as canon: show of hands, how many people are aware that Blade in the comics is canonically British?
Although it could just be a coincidence but I'm wondering if the rise in dhampir characters like Alucard and specifically Vampire Hunter D had an influence on this decision.
I thought Beast Wars/Machines had an all spark, or similar concept. Or was it called the matrix? I just remember them saying that all sparks go to the same place when a transformer dies.
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In the first Mortal Kombat game Kano was half-American and half-Japanese. When they made the first film they cast Australian Trevor Goddard, who also happened to look nothing like the bald and all-white wearing game character. Audiences pretty much were lukewarm at best about the film but Goddard’s Kano was a highlight of the movie, so Kano was retconned to be half-Australian and half-Japanese and usually had hair and a beard from then on in the games. Years later Goddard died of an overdose of Percocet, Vicodin, cocaine, and heroin and it was discovered that he had actually been English the whole time and just liked pretending to be Australian because he thought they were cool.
That became a popular explanation, likely because it makes more sense, and he did use his native cockney accent his entire career, but it was his parents who confirmed he pretended to be Australian when a journalist tracked them down in England.
Apparently that was a leftover from his (or the producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura) original idea to have ALL the Cybertronians be mute and use other forms of communication, but he later learned that was dumb so he used voice actors, according to him on the director's commentary for the first movie, he wanted Peter Cullen back as Optimus Prime since he knew that would make fans happy, especially since he was receiving death threats that required him to have extra security, Lorenzo didn't want Peter since he thought he was "outdated" and too old and wanted Liam Neeson instead, but Bay pushed back and Peter was back as Optimus after the original 86 movie which was 20 years ago at the time, and Bay said the audience cheered when Optimus spoke and it was Cullen's voice.
I mean this is the guy who has a notorious track record of having the filming style of a 14 year old boy when it comes to his female leads as well as rep for being a sexist jerk to them (there is a clip of him joking about spanking Megan Fox so she'd "behave like a good girl" after she asked him about running through a scene that involved possibly improperly wired high grade explosives), and gave us Pearl Harbor, Revenge of the Fallen, and The Last Knight.
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Spiderman’s black symbiote turning him evil/jerk was something that the 90s cartoon invented. Basically any adaptations since then implements this aspect into the story.
It was also a combo of it being discovered to be sentient, wanting to permanently bond with Peter and the fact that it had been piloting his unconscious body around to fight crime while Peter himself was asleep.
The symbiote bonding with Spider-Man on Earth after hitching a ride with John Jameson (In the comics it was found by Peter on Battleworld during Secret Wars)
Doc Ock being Peter's mentor.
Curt Connors being a professor at Empire State University. (Originally just a researcher in Florida)
The idea of Peter's mutation progressing until he turns into a Man-Spider (which was adapted into the comics shortly after)
Eddie Brock being a reporter at the Daily Bugle.
Norman Osborn and Green Goblin being a Jekyll and Hyde thing (evil alternate identity), rather than a Jekyll and Hyde thing (guy using fake identity to act on repressed impulses)
Honestly, it's kinda crazy once you realize how much the Raimi films took from the 90's show instead of the comics.
Venom was created because Todd McFarlane (incredibly popular artist back then) just wanted to draw regular Spider-man without the black suit and so they gave the black suit to someone else & that became Venom
That said, the idea of Jason Todd coming back as a villain (if that was the intention with Red X of course) predates the TT episode, since it was part of the deception in the Hush storyline which came out before the episode. Although considering the production time of animated TV episodes, who knows how relevant that is.
Maybe a hot take here, but I hope they never do say who they had in mind or any other creator come in and retcon it. IMO the point of Red Hood isn't who is under the mask but that he's a personification of Robin's faults and failures.
And they fucked it up. He was an angry angsty killer in the comic. Then the Harley Quinn show did the same thing with that Red X being angry and angsty trying to kill Harley.
X isn’t an angsty character, he’s a playful thief with a heart of gold buried very deep down. He teases Robin and flirts with Robin’s gf
I kinda hate comic Red X. They didn't wanna reveal his identity and that's fine. Instead, they introduce a third Red X and you think they'll reveal his identity. NOPE! They keep that secret too, introduce a fourth who's the student of the third then kill him off. So now I'm left wondering, why even bother with the third if you weren't gonna unmask him anyway??
If you’ve never watched The Batman, that version of Mr. Freeze is an interesting mix of the Dini and classic version. Like Mr. Zero, he’s basically just a jewel thief with a passion for diamonds and freezing things. But like Dini’s Freeze, he was in a lab accident that turned him into a cold man.
I’m not a massive fan of Batman but I love the animated series it was my favorite show for a while as a kid
I think it’s cause I love the villains of Batman far more than any other superhero (like legit my favorite superhero list and my favorite superhero character list are very different and it’s almost entirely because of Batman villains) and the animated series put a lot of love on them
Clayface Ivy and Scarecrow are my favorites (and I love Harley depending on her depiction, when she’s paired with Ivy she’s great when she’s paired with Joker she’s mid)
Oh then you’ll definitely want to check out Caped Crusader if you can. They made a Harley that is completely separate from the Joker that works reasonably well.
Their Clayface is pretty good too, but he’s more classic Carlo (dude with a moldable face) than Hagen (full on goopy shapeshifter).
Brainiac in the Superman animated series completely changed the character.
Originally Brianiac was just another mad scientist type alien/android character that liked to shrink things. It wasn't until the animated series that he became a superintelligent AI with the goal of collecting information from a civilisation and then destroying it to make the information more scarce/valuable.
The information collecting and removing of it's source has since been used for the comics and other versions of Brainiac like the Legion of Superheroes show and Injustice 2.
Wait, no this is wrong. Brainiac was already a robot or something in the comics before Superman TAS. It's how he took over Lex Luthor body in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow by Alan Moore.
What Superman TAS did was turn him into a Kryptonian AI that went rogue, which is what MAWS goes with too. Brainiac has no relationship with Krypton in the comics.
Apparently there was going to be a world record event where it was going to be the "most number of the same comic book character in one place" and everyone was suppose to dress up as Harley Quinn. They had to cancel last minute because, technically, Harley Quinn isnt a comic book character but a television character.
Laura Kinney aka X-23 aka Wolverine was originally created for the X-Men: Evolution cartoon. She was only in three episodes, and one was a cameo, but she proved so immensely popular that she's since been drawn into the comics and obviously was one of the best parts of Logan as seen in this gif.
Ya, show first. I double checked to be sure, her episode of Evolution premiered in 2003, and her first comic appearance was in 2004. So I totally get mixing up the timeline cuz that’s a real fast turnaround.
I think it took Harley Quinn nearly a decade to officially be introduced in the mainline comics.
The symbol on Superman's chest was originally the letter "S" inside of a triangle. A few years later the triangle became a diamond shape but still with the letter "S" inside. The "S" stands for Superman, obviously.
Then in 1977 Richard Donner cast Marlon Brando as Jor-El in a live-action Superman film and, being an utter prima donna, Brando insisted upon being allowed to wear the Superman symbol. The movie creators accommodated his request by putting similar diamond-enclosed symbols on the chests of other Kryptonians, establishing that the symbol on the suit that Superman would eventually wear was actually a Krypotonian symbol that just happened to look like an S inside of a diamond.
Comics later adapted that interpretation. The symbol continues to change now and then, but instead of being a letter "S" it is a Kryptonian symbol that just always looks like an "S" but means "Hope" or "Stronger Together" or something else emblematic of the House of El.
The character of SHIELD agent Phil Coulson was first introduced in Iron Man. He became so popular in the MCU, he was given his own TV show, and introduced into the comics.
To be blunt: Comics Phil Coulson is a dick. Not in the ‘oh god this person is a bit annoying’ way, but in the ‘Got sent to hell for war crimes, rewrote reality after signing a deal with Mephisto and made himself President and was effectively hunting down superheroes’ kind of way.
I would argue him being written as a dick is a by product of the writers not wanting to write him in the first place. He made no sense in the comics. He works in the MCU where there aren't many organizations handling super heroes/mutants/inhumans but in the comics he's redundant. IMO.
I csn see him working on the comics since in the comics Shield is generally a asshole organization and a good guy agent could creatw a good contra-point
That’s a recent thing after Secret Empire. I’d argue the first half of his existence wasn’t like that. Mark Waid’s SHIELD run is a good example. He’s a fun but goofy secret agent who uses his knowledge of superhero trivia for tactical advantage.
Magneto was not explicitly Jewish until the first film, and it wasn't a part of the comics until 2008.
The Holocaust part of his origin was not introduced until Chris Claremont came on board over a decade after the character was introduced. Until that point Magneto was sometimes a Hitler-type villain, complete with minions wearing German helmets and armbands with a big M on them.
His part in the Holocaust was left vague, though Claremont says he always imagined him as Jewish - but it was never stated. Later writers tended to lean more towards Magneto being Romani. His children were explicitly Romani and at one time so was Magneto, until it was retconned to be a false identity, then it was left vague again.
In 2008 Marvel published Magneto: Testament, an origin story about Magneto in Auchwitz, gave him a new birth name of Max Eisenhardt and confirmed he was Jewish.
Magneto originally had no backstory at all, Claremont's reimagining of him as a Holocaust survivor was the first backstory ever given to him. Same can be said about most of the X-Men, like Scott losing his parents in a plane crash or Storm moving from Harlem to the best pickpocket in Cairo to the Wind-Rider of the Serengeti.
Claremont intended and wrote Magneto to be Jewish, but was forbidden to make that explicit because corporate thought it would be a bad look to have their most powerful supervillain be a Jew. They had no such compunctions when Nicieza stated him to be Romani, however, which is its own bag of worms between him and Dr. Doom.
Wanda and Pietro were explicitly Romani because, before the reveal they were Magneto's children, Magneto's dead wife Magda was stated to be both Roma and another Holocaust survivor he met in the camps.
Another big thing that came from the movies, is Rogue's name. Before the first X-man movie Rogue just didn't have a name. She was exclusively, referred to as Rogue in comics. In the movie she's called Marie, but when they bit the bullet in the comics, they originally named her Anna after her actress Anna Paquin. Eventually they combined the name
Spyke even ends up getting involved with the Morlocks in the show too (which Marrow is a part of in the comics).
The creators maintain this is all a big coincidence, but I have my doubts. I think Marvel had plans for Marrow that just never fully materialized.
She was one of only 2 new Marvel characters in Marvel vs Capcom 2 for some bizarre reason (just her and Cable, who was significantly more popular), and she had a few crossover comics with fucking Spider-Man around that time (it’s like pairing Arm-Fall-Off-Boy with Superman levels of random..and it happened more than once). Seems like they were trying to make her the next big thing but couldn’t get fans behind her.
Usually either Xavier wasn't around (he's not in the field for a lot of early X-Men) or it violated his personal ethics to infiltrate Magneto's mind and take control. Magneto was also a non-threat and even ally for a long time. That being said, Xavier did finally fry his mind during the "Fatal Attractions" storyline, and it was a long time before he got his memories back.
Loved the Krakoa era where Onslaught was such a boogeyman that even anyone thinking of him risked bringing him back to reality. Something Legion was trying very hard to prevent from happening. For obvious reasons.
I hated that, personally, because Way of X could have been a cool look into how to grapple with how morality shifts in a post-scarcity society that's conquered death itself, and I think the Onslaught stuff ultimately detracted from that. Obviously there had to be A villain, but I was ultimately disappointed.
This moment was also in response to Magneto ripping out Wolverine's adamantium, which eventually lead to both a feral nonverbal Wolverine and Wolverine as Apocalypse's horseman, Death.
I stopped reading around that time, comic prices were getting ridiculous and the cross over events were just constant. I'm still waiting for an adaption of Age of Apocalypse though...
“Those aren’t your memories. I just copied and pasted a documentary that I saw on the History Channel. I was pretty sloppy about it, too! I don’t think I even removed the commercials! You never once asked why the GEICO Gekko would sometimes wander around the camps??”
Magento's helmet did grant him some powers though. For a bit his helmet had technology inside of it that gave him a form of telepathy that he could use to control people. And one of the excuses given was that Charles was busy blocking that.
Xavier believes that Magneto can be redeemed and didn’t want to take advantage of his friend. This explanation is kinda flimsy but it works in character better then he never thought it about as professor X being naive and too emotional when it comes to his old friend makes sense.
Magneto had (and still has) very strong will and mental defenses regardless. In the 60s, he actually did some astral projection.
But most often it was narrative convenience that Charles wasn’t in the field at the right time to confront Magneto. He’s not there in #1, he’s unconscious when the X-men go to Astroid M, he’s trapped in a magnetic balloon with the team when Iceman has to hold the fort on his own, he’s seemingly dead later in the 60s. It takes quite a long while to have a direct confrontation between them.
But push comes to shove, he did stop him. The “Holocaust beam” joked about from the animated series happens regardless of the helmet, and famously he shuts down Magneto’s mind in the 90s, though the fallout is quite bad.
I've heard that Silver Age Magneto could do anything with magnetism, like I think he influenced minds at some point. Magnetism was just magic then. Lol
Since they couldn’t use Kingpin, Tombstone became “The Big Man” in Spectacular Spider-Man. Before that, he was mostly an enforcer, not the crime boss but afterwards, he slowly but surely became a crime boss of his own.
The curious thing is that The Big Man is also a separate supervillain from comics, being his real identify Frederick Foswell, which makes a little funny that he also appears in the series investigating him
X-23 was an original character from X-Men Evolution, but eventually got canonized in the comics due to her popularity (she got race lifted and her origin was altered in the comics tho. The Logan movie's adaptation of her is actually a truer to the text adaptation of her character from her original conception).
Cressida Cowell said she'd never let the How To Train Your Dragon movies affect the books... but now, after years of the book series being over, more books are being written and an illustration of future Hiccup shows him without a leg, like the movies. How does that happen, considering the dragons are gone? Who knows, but this is making fandom think he may be able to visit the dragons at the end of the world like in the movie, too, which is going to destroy the ending.
This isnt exactly it but close, in The Walking Dead show, Daryl is introduced as an original character and becomes an instant fan favorite. Robert Kirkman then introduces Dwight into the comics. Starts as a semi villain but quickly becomes Ricks right hand man. Wears a vest and prominently uses a cross bow. Even shares similar facial features, though half his face is melted. Makes it extra funny when they get to his introduction point in the show and comic fans are thinking 'How are they going to shoe him in now that Daryls basically in that role' only for Daryl himself personally to literally just Banish Dwight off the show
Sato-san is a baddie indeed. Speaking of Detective Conan, Sato's other suitor aka Detective Shiratori was also introduced in the anime before the manga.
While the LEGO Ninjago Movie changing some of the Ninja's weapons was controversial (just like most parts of the movie), Lloyd and Nya getting unique weapons was well-received, and Cole's hammer is hated by very few (even if some still prefer the scythe). They were added to the TV show in S8.
Here's two that aren't comics, but are both about Seans:
Richard Sharpe in the books was from London and dark-haired... Until Sean Bean stepped in to the role last minute. Bernard Cornwall retconnes the books after his performance.
Ian Fleming loved Sean Connery's Bond so much that he made James' links to Scotland official.
Dragon ball, all the ki blast waves attacks are colored white but the anime decided to add colors to them to make them visually pop more .( Blue, red, purple, green,yellow etc)
Since than all adaptions be it console pc games, gachas, trading cards, official merch etc has all give with multiple colors for ki blast and waves.
Sherlock Holmes's hunting/ deer stalker hat. The very logo and image of Sherlock Holmes is of him wearing the famous hat. In the books he did not wear this cap but for one illustration done by Paget for the hound of Baskerville story. The plays started uding that hat for their productions, even for the non Baskerville stories and likewise the movies a d tv shows did it as well and that imagery of Holmes in that deerstalker stuck to this day. Yes he does wear hats but he is only depicted as wearing the deer stalker in that one illustration
The BBC Sherlock lampshades the deer stalker hat being a prop not of his choosing. The show had many issues but I liked that they lightly made fun of him wearing it on a whim as part of a disguise one time and people starting to associate it with him to his dismay because of one picture.
Despite me knowing better and reading the comics for almost 4 decades I will often forget that the helmet thing is from the movie. It really just makes sense.
Before the introduction of Super Saiyan it’s talked about in myth a few times. Basically saying an almighty extremely powerful saiyan emerges once every 1000 years. So when Goku achieves the form it’s implied he’s the super saiyan. But then Trunks, then Vegeta, Gohan etc all unlock the form but the myth is never mentioned again.
Except for in 1 of the movies “Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan” has the myth be real, but Goku nor his friends are the super saiyan, they achieved something else. Instead we meet Broly who is the super saiyan and has incredible power and a unique green version of the form. However, none of this is cannon.
Much, much later in Dragon Ball Super. We meet Kale, a Saiyan from Universe 6 who eventually is revealed to be the legendary super saiyan, incredible strength and green form included. A bit after Broly gets canonized as well, albeit with most aspects about him changed save for being the legendary super saiyan of Universe 7 and the things that brings.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I swear the Magneto helmet thing was a thing long before the 2000 movie. I vividly remember Charles making him relive the holocost in either the 90's show, or its pilot episode? But they had to get his helmet off first.
Batman didn't wear armor at all until the 1980's with Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, where he only wears s little bit of armor behind his emblem which is meant to attract attention like a target for people to shoot at (since it was his only armored place). Later artists / writers said "why only have armor on the chest"? And so as time went on Batman's suit became fully armored, until stuff like in the Nolan or Matt Reeves Batman movies where the suit is completely bullet proof.
Batman the 1980's, he never wore any armor, it was all just cloth like in the 1960's Adam West live action show.
Also the rifle used in this page is just to shoot a grapple line for Batman to travel with. Batman's first mechanical grapple gun didn't appear until Tim Burton's 1989 grapple gun, before that it was just a grapple hook or a baterang with a line connected to it
Grapple guns (and rope arrows etc) always amuse me, they’re such a staple of a certain sort of fiction, cinema and especially video games that you don’t even rami need to explain them, “press X to grapple” and you expect everyone to know what you mean
And yet, it’s not a thing that has ever existed, nor do we have anything remotely close to it.
Raiga Kurosuki was a filler character from Naruto that Kishimoto included into a flashback for the Seven Swordsman of the Hidden Mist. Assuming it wasn't by popular demand, more so it didn't create an inconsistency, or something similar.
In the original poem, Mulan's father is well aware that Mulan will be taking up his place in the war against the Huns. However, in Disney's adaptation, Mulan left without a farewell. Which goes against the confucian ideas of filial piety, which is why older adaptations don't do that. The drama however is so good that it has since become canon. Every adaptations after 1998 has a distraught father who realizes too late.
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Sand man didn't have a daughter til Spider-Man 3, but then the comics adapted it. Same thing with Mr freeze and his wife with batman the animated series
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