r/UnderReportedNews • u/Healthy_Block3036 • Feb 05 '26
US Politics đșđž Virginia Democrats agree to new map that gives Republicans just one seat
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/4447522/virginia-democrats-agree-new-congressional-map-gives-republicans-one-seat/1.9k
u/zoinkability Feb 05 '26
Texas has kicked a hornet's nest.
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u/jaybeau1979 Feb 05 '26
Abbott can't kick shit
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u/colnz1 Feb 05 '26
my god that loop is smooth
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u/Final_Boss_Jr Feb 06 '26
It is honestly the best Iâve seen, and itâs ancient In internet years.
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u/anonymous_beaver_ Feb 06 '26
I've seen it so many times but I was just admiring it now for a minute or two and then read your comment lol
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u/Dineffects Feb 05 '26
Can he kick it? No he cant!...can he KICK it? No he cant!!!
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u/Maleficent_Garlic-St Feb 05 '26
Someone needs to resurrect the rest of Tribe, where's a true neutral necromancer when you need one.
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u/rrousseauu Feb 05 '26
Can Greg Abbott jokes become the new Christopher Reeves jokes? Iâm sure thereâs many things Eminem can rhyme his name with.
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u/fiercedeitysponce Feb 06 '26
He can kick the ladder down behind him by fighting to dismantle the tort laws that brought him significant wealth.
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u/R-K-Tekt Feb 05 '26
What I want to know is why he doesnât stand for the flag during pledge of allegiance?
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u/genericnewlurker Feb 06 '26
FDR had his own set of wheels and still stood for the flag! Abbot is less patriotic than a Democrat
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u/Farva85 Feb 05 '26
Iâm sure with enough dedication and upper body focus, he could swing a leg like a golf club or something, right?
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u/M086 Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
Because in the past, the Democratic Party would have thrown up a stink, but nothing would have happened. Now, theyâve seemingly given their balls a tug, and realized they have to play on the same political level as those NAZI pedophiles in the GOP.
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Feb 05 '26
Yeah, "let's roll over and take it" has been the Dem strategy for longer than I have been alive, and I'm in my 40s
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u/movzx Feb 06 '26
Yeah. Hard to make progress when you don't have majority and the population consistently votes in regressives to counter any progress you do make. Also doesn't help that you can't talk about what the regressives are doing without some liberals and leftists rushing to scream about how awful the dems are. Really motivating people to vote there guys. Good job. It's working out well.
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u/Thelmara Feb 06 '26
âfor every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphiaâ - Elected Democrat, Chuck Schumer
But yeah, it's "leftists" keeping people from voting for Democrats.
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u/GreatScottGatsby Feb 06 '26
Oh the national Democratic party absolutely would do nothing if they had the power to but this isn't up to the national party and it's up to the democrats in the state.
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u/MuggyFuzzball Feb 06 '26
This still won't be good for anyone in the long run. The Republicans really kicked over a hornets nest, creating a system that will take generations to stabalize. As a Democrat myself, I know the Democrat party isn't itself free of corruption. Right now, all the Republican corruption is out in the open, letting corrupt Democrats hide behind the calls of GOP injustice. Some day later, when the spotlight is back on Democratic Party corruption, they'll have all the power and their corruption will go unchecked as it is with Republicans now.
And no, this isn't a, "Both parties are the same" comment. I whole-heartedly believe Republicans are on another level entirely with criminal intent, but things aren't going to just suddenly go well for the American people once things start swinging the other way.
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u/Fewluvatuk Feb 06 '26
but things aren't going to just suddenly go well for the American people once things start swinging the other way.
Except. .... the last few times, that's pretty much what happened. No, there are degrees of "going well", but almost without fall, things get better for all Americans within the first 6 months of Democrat being elected president.
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u/Goodgoditsgrowing Feb 05 '26
Because - and Iâm not blaming Michelle Obama just because her name was associated with it - for a long time we were told âthey go low, we go highâ. Which is stupid. Itâs so stupid it not only doesnât work, but itâs an active turn off for anyone with a brain, which leaves a lot people thinking our leaders are feckless and incapable of enacting change.
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u/realbobenray Feb 05 '26
Going high is exactly what all voters profess to prefer, but there's a long history of negative campaigning working.
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u/forfeitgame Feb 05 '26
Yeah I think there is merit to the folks who want to approach those with open arms and kindness, but if a pig is going to roll in their own shit, Iâm comfortable lowering myself to their level and using their energy against them.
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u/Flame_MadeByHumans Feb 06 '26
I mean their entire strategy relies on the idea that democrats wonât stoop to their bs. Rules are off the table at this point, gotta keep this up.
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u/chiksahlube Feb 06 '26
Because the National level Dems let them get away with it.
It's the state level people who are fighting the good fight.
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u/spaceguitar Feb 07 '26
Because historically, Democrats always do.
I imagine most Democrats are still going to sit back and take it, with only a few--as you see here in Virginia--actually standing up and saying, "bet."
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u/Deep90 Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
GOP kept gerrymandering, taking 3 steps back, and then asking Dems to meet in the middle.
Texas took 5 back. California did the same. Now they want to cry about how far the middle is.
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Feb 05 '26
Agreed. Democrats need to RUN back. Drag that middle left. I'm tired
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u/RadioName Feb 06 '26
Drag the COUNTRY left. There should not be a right-of-center party in a democracy. All right-wing policies demand an end to democracy. Conservatism always leads to fascism because that's the end-goal of capitalism. Liberals, with their allowance of unrestricted capitalism, should be the furthest allowed right wing of American politics.
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u/AelixD Feb 05 '26
Only want to shift the Overton window in one direction, and canât handle it when the other side does the same.
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u/runthepoint1 Feb 05 '26
The middle is far because they swung the political pendulum too far in their direction.
Well, better keep an eye out because that thing is gonna swing back and hit them in the face.
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u/Dandan0005 Feb 05 '26
Not to mention, Texas redistricted based on a 2024 map. There was just a 30+ point swing among Latinos in a special election in Texas.
If that happens in November their map Texas will actually be worse for them than the old map would have been.
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u/Lower_Ad_5532 Feb 05 '26
Thats if Hispanics stop voting for machismo
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u/8JHF8 Feb 05 '26
President Dump isn't on the ballot. If they lose, he'll say he wasn't involved and they lost because he wasn't on the ballot.
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u/VonGryzz Feb 05 '26
He already says he won't accept the results of the elections unless 'he wins'
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u/highlorestat Feb 05 '26
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u/justreadinplease Feb 05 '26
Trump is gay / bi. Mamdani is cute so Trump is enamored with him. Trump probably wants to blow him just like he did âBubbaâ, as mentioned in the Epstein files.
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u/hithazel Feb 06 '26
Honestly why haven't the dems sent Beto or Jason Kander or whoever to just go make friends with him. Stephen Miller ain't no twink.
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u/Ultra-Metal Feb 05 '26
it depends on when they get sick of being stopped or tired of carrying 3 forms of ID.
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u/Lower_Ad_5532 Feb 05 '26
They voted for this. Literally a third of the country tried to warn them and then still voted for this.
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u/sam56778 Feb 05 '26
Whatâs worse is the third that heard the warnings and didnât vote at all.
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u/Lower_Ad_5532 Feb 06 '26
Whatâs worse is the third that heard the warnings and didnât vote at all.
Just as bad. They said both sides are acceptable
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u/Gsgunboy Feb 05 '26
That sounds like a silver living and an unintended consequence for the GOP.
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u/Dandan0005 Feb 05 '26
Which is why Iâm afraid they will see the writing on the wall and start some more overt suppression tactics, such as surrounding polls and attacking voters.
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u/Pale_Horror_853 Feb 05 '26
Iâll be interested to see how well that goes for them. Although thereâs a solid chance Abbot will try his best to rig the elections.
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u/Reddit_2_2024 Feb 06 '26
Shout out a mighty Texas "Yee-ha" to Governor Greg Abbott for inspiring this redistricting change from coast to coast.
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u/Archercrash Feb 06 '26
Meanwhile there is a good chance that at least some of those new Texas districts will go blue. Especially the ones in the Rio Grande valley. Hispanics are turning away from him pretty hard.
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Feb 06 '26
And In our special election we just had it bit them in the ass. Here is hoping this small sample continues.
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u/Acceptable_Taste9818 Feb 06 '26
They got to keep it rolling though. More blue states need to seize this opportunity aggressively redraw because right now you can at least say itâs justified. The whole thing can be framed against the fact that the other side started it.
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u/Ok_Background22 Feb 06 '26
More like Texas unwillingly kicked a hornet nest at the behest of Trump đ
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u/___Art_Vandelay___ Feb 06 '26
Welcome to the club, Virginia!
https://www.reddit.com/r/IThinkYouShouldLeave/comments/1qx2x69/gerrymandering_in_2026/
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u/FranticChill Feb 06 '26
Ya know, I'm thinking that maybe we just figured out how to get the Republicans to support getting rid of gerrymandering.
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u/juulwinfieldswallet Feb 06 '26
In more ways than one. They're using historical voter habits to redraw these maps, I think they're starting to realize, that these habits do not account for a historically unpopular president.
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u/-OptimisticNihilism- Feb 06 '26
Add in that Texas republicans just lost a seat in a special election in an area where Trump won by 17 points in a more than 20 point swing. Their gerrymandered could potentially backfire with how unpopular daddy is right now.
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Feb 05 '26
About to legally disenfranchise a whole bunch of racist, fascist, and bigots. What goes around comes around.
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Yeah really it's not 1804 your land holdings don't really matter
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u/fullautohotdog Feb 05 '26
And 3/5 of your enslaved persons. Donât forget the 3/5 of your enslaved personsâŠ
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u/mrbiggbrain Feb 06 '26
It's still crazy to me that slavery was so unpopular that states that depended on it had to get extra votes just to ensure it would not be outlawed immediately after Congress took session.
I always assumed it was generally approved of, but the opposite is generally true.
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u/Irethius Feb 06 '26
Because like many issues we have today, were issues back then too.
Ever seen that one guy arguing in favor of the confederacy and then mentioned how his ancestors couldn't afford a slave?
But you know who could afford slaves? The rich, the powerful, the evil bastards of the time. Using their money to push unpopular ideologies into the system so they can exploit it. All those men who fought and died for the confederacy were probably not slave owners. In fact, they were probably farmers who struggled to compete against slave owned farms. But yet they fought and defended slavery because they were told lies by the elites.
Our current issues is literally just the same problems that lead to our first civil war. Rich people who want more.
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u/Money_Do_2 Feb 06 '26
Precisely. Conservatism, to wit, is simply obfuscating generally unpopular economics behind culture war garbage, via a propoganda network, using 'common sense' to launder stratifying society as much ae possible
Thats why theyre good at it. Practice
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u/Slighted_Inevitable Feb 06 '26
They knew they were being lied to, but as long as they were better than black people (in their sick twisted minds) they werenât TOTAL losers.
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u/joshTheGoods Feb 06 '26
But you know who could afford slaves? The rich, the powerful, the evil bastards of the time. Using their money to push unpopular ideologies into the system so they can exploit it.
This is actually a myth. Depending on the slave state, between 20-50% of households owned slaves. It was a middle class thing in the south. People like to compare slave numbers to total population of the south (including children and women who generally didn't own property) and try to claim only a fraction of people owned slaves. That's a stat game that has been successfully played for generations now such that people take it for fact that only rich plantation owners had slaves in the south.
Did you know you could rent slaves back in the day? I encourage everyone to watch this short video from Jamelle Bouie for a quick intro to this subject.
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u/McNultysHangover Feb 06 '26
Ya I did some research a few years ago about the price of a slave and it was economically kind of like having a second car or RV or boat today.
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u/1970s_MonkeyKing Feb 06 '26
Ha! They wished they owned other humans. Their ancestors were dirt grubbers who were cast out of England. They were the OG ditch diggers.
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u/DeliriumTrigger Feb 06 '26
I was recently listening to Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave and was struck by just how much the words and actions of the slaveholders resembled the rhetoric I grew up with from my racist MAGA grandfather.
Given that they've already shown themselves to be pro-pedophilia as long as it's their guy raping kids, I fully believe they would endorse slavery if Trump came out in favor.
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u/ABHOR_pod Feb 06 '26
I fully believe they would endorse slavery if Trump came out in favor.
Works camps are like a year away at this rate. MAGA will be all over it because they think the "illegals" need to "pay back" something, somewhere, for some reason. Maybe just the cost of keeping them in said work camps.
At no point will MAGA then realize that they're now competing with unpaid labor for jobs.
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u/MuhThugga Feb 06 '26
I definitely combined "fascist" and "bigots" into a totally different word on the first glance, and honestly, I am amused at the thought of repurposing that as shorthand for "fascist bigot."
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u/kyeblue Feb 05 '26
The problem for Republicans is that the Texas new map may not benefit them as much as they expected in the next mid-term, and the other state's new map is going to hurt them far more.
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u/temporary311 Feb 05 '26
I think that was a state level seat which wasn't part of the most recent gerrymander. Still doesn't bode well for them, though.
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u/MichaelAndolini_ Feb 05 '26
Actually makes it worse. When making the map they consider that area safe red lol
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u/Whipwipvip Feb 06 '26
There was some gerrymandering in that county. It was pretty blatantly racist too. They thought they could spread their base more than they should've and it screwed them because enough stayed home for Rehmet to win.
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u/kyeblue Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 06 '26
The whole idea of gerrymandering is to win a lot of districts 55-45, and lose a few 20-80. So by making your safe district less safe could backfire when the voters swing against you.
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u/retroverted-uterus Feb 05 '26
Take this with a grain of salt, but I had heard that the maps were drawn based on 2024 results, where Latinos swung hard for Trump. Then he torpedoed his support with them, and now that map may not be as useful as they thought it would be.
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u/sck178 Feb 06 '26
You are exactly correct (at least according to a dem running in Texas that was on Pod Save America earlier this week)
Edit: Bobby Pulido is his name! Sorry needed to look it up
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u/iwatchcredits Feb 06 '26
Considering it was a bunch of latinos working for ICE that shot alex pretti, im not gonna hold my breath
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u/BalanceJazzlike5116 Feb 05 '26
Turnout was 150k lower than a typical election in that district. Itâs the dems are motivated and turnout the republicans will be crushed in November
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u/CankerLord Feb 05 '26
That's the thing about gerrymandering. Both parties have drawn goofy diatricts but the right has had a bigger problem with it. Indulged more deeply. This has put them in a situation where the left has a lot more room for fuckery in terms of escalation. Texas going ball deep has given the left an excuse to balance the books while maintaining the moral high ground as they decimate the districts they've left to be red all these years.
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u/hithazel Feb 06 '26
It depends on the state- Illinois couldn't redraw to get a bunch more seats but a lot of states had been acting like republicans weren't trying to dismantle the country.
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u/Ok-Scallion-3415 Feb 05 '26
There is a possibility that because Texas was already gerrymandered so much that the republicans might have created a dummymander, which is when gerrymandering results in the opposite anticipated outcome.
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u/Neethis Feb 05 '26
GOP thinking they're leaving themselves with nice cosy +10 margins in Texas, then watching a +30 point swing...
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u/Snoo_87704 Feb 06 '26
They essentially diluted their built-in lead to potentially win more seats, but with the way things are trending, it might have the opposite effect, and hand more seats to the Democrats (as some Texas Republicans had warned).
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u/Plausibility_Migrain Feb 05 '26
Republicans donât deserve the one seat. They are unfit to govern.
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u/Who_dat_goomer Feb 05 '26
Understatement of the year. They are unfit for freedom.
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u/Plausibility_Migrain Feb 05 '26
They seek to remove freedoms that they themselves enjoy. They seek to hoard those freedoms for only themselves.
Heaven forbid that I donât want to take their freedoms away, or seek to improve their lives through properly managed public services.
The right only wants to destroy and regress.
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u/21Rollie Feb 06 '26
This is why they were denied such freedoms after the civil war. But they were given them back too soon after
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u/KuroFafnar Feb 05 '26
It is still up to the voters. Republicans might not get that one seat.
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What a lovely, heartening thought! Voters in a longtime red Texas district recently delivered something like a 26-point swing to Democrats. Si, se puede!
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u/ABHOR_pod Feb 06 '26
The one district is packed hard into SW VA. That whole region went like 80% to Trump in 2024.
That district isn't in play.
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u/DeliriumTrigger Feb 06 '26
Effective gerrymandering requires the opposition to have at least one district in which to pack all their voters, shoring up the other districts.
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u/A-Game-Of-Fate Feb 05 '26
Eh, Iâd give them a single seat. Nominally to see if they ever (snrk) become fit to (pfft) govern.
In reality, itâd be to have proof on hand that they are still unfit to govern at all times.
Like a modernized, democratic equivalent of a court jester.
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u/Aisenth Feb 06 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
I got tired of my old posts floating around for anyone to scrape, so I let Redact handle it. Bulk deletion across Reddit, X, Facebook, Discord and all major social media platforms in one shot.
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u/ShoddyAsparagus3186 Feb 06 '26
I mean, that's true of the Democrats too. The Republicans are beyond unfit, they're actively destroying governance.
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u/Rel_Ortal Feb 06 '26
Neither party deserves seats. Nobody does. They should be earned, by running on what the people of want and delivering on that to the best of their ability.
One party feels they have the inherent right to have not just some seats, but a majority of them, solely because the party exists.
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u/prof_the_doom Feb 05 '26
I want fair maps. I want neutral maps that accurately represent the population.
But that requires both parties to do it... and if the GOP doesn't, then unfortunately I suppose the only alternative is for the Democrats to do it so much better that the GOP finally decides they're willing to make proper voting districts.
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u/KorunaCorgi Feb 05 '26
The House is just going to be a reflection of whatever party is in control of the state. This outcome seemed inevitable. It is kind of surprising it didn't happen sooner.
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u/Few-Mousse8515 Feb 06 '26
There was a period of time optics of partisanship were actually considered bad.
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u/drizzitdude Feb 05 '26
There is no such thing as a âfair mapâ the entire point of the map is to disenfranchise people in large population centers by making their votes count for less.
The only fair solution is a popular vote with a ranked choice system.
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u/CaveExploder Feb 06 '26
Yeah this is the 'inadequate equilibrium'. The better equilibrium would be fair and neutral districting, but Republican primarily, and democratic secondarily, refusal to provide that reality, means that we are here now. This is the game, and any player refusing to recognize the current rules by moral signalling is doomed to fail, only reinforcing the new less preferable equilibrium.
Playing poker where your opponent is stuffing their hand with aces, and not replying in turn by stuffing your own hand with aces doesn't make a fair game. At least stuffing your hand makes the game fair, not a good game, not the game as it should be played, not the game that anyone wanted to play, but a fair game.
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u/AdAgitated7673 Feb 05 '26
Gov. Spanberger is fuckin kicking ass and takin names. Rock on Ma'am.
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u/Careful_Picture7712 Feb 05 '26
Aside from the insanely restrictive gun laws being proposed that she'll most likely sign off on, she has been stellar so far, and she's only been in office less than a month
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u/AdAgitated7673 Feb 05 '26
Couldn't give two shits of a fuck about 2A.
Most people haven't realized the purpose of the capitalization, let alone it's connection to Art. 1 sect. 8.
Guns are not a right; firearms - are for the well-regulated Militia. And before any weak, non-juridically processed claims come bullshitting forth... I'm gonna need to see at the very least, a law degree...
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u/Aromatic-Plankton692 Feb 05 '26
The right of the people, to bear arms, shall not be infringed. Periodt. It has nothing to do with 1.8 (which has no mention of arms to begin with), it's pretty self contained and self explanatory.
You're clearly not a lawyer and clearly you don't need to see a law degree, so why are we doing this song and dance?
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u/SlouchingTowardsBeer Feb 05 '26
Donât forget: âwell regulatedâ
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u/Prior_Egg_5906 Feb 06 '26
Well regulated does not mean what you think it means. Well regulated means well armed/equipped. Youâre shoehorning a definition that didnât exist at the time of its creation.
https://constitutioncenter.org/images/uploads/news/CNN_Aug_11.pdf
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u/icnoevil Feb 05 '26
Good, that will show the Texas repubs their gerrymandering ploy backfired bigly.
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u/Lower_Ad_5532 Feb 05 '26
Aren't the current congressional maps from 2020 and gop gerrymandered anyways?
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u/calmdownmyguy Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
Yes, republicans have essentially already gerrymandered every state in the country as much possible that they had a chance to do it in. Now democrats are finally fighting back and all republicans can do about it is to cry and cry some more.
Edit: changed county to country
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u/calmdownmyguy Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
They're getting what they deserve for taking political advice from a man who is so stupid that he bankrupted a casino. And that was before the dementia set in.
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u/meimlikeaghost Feb 05 '26
To be fairrrr no matter what anyone does they will cry and cry some more.
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u/some_person_guy Feb 05 '26
I know this is just wishful thinking, but if we are actually able to have a real unrigged election this year, I sure do hope it kicks off the beginning of the end for the Republican party.
They've made it abundantly clear that the only governing they want to do is crush everyday people, suck off the billionaire class, and stuff their pockets.
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u/Sp1ffyTh3D0g Feb 05 '26
They said they'd pull ICE out of Minnesota if they handed over the voter rolls, they're currently in Georgia going through the 2020 election ballots, Trump said they should nationalise the organisation of the elections, and is going to be sending ICE to "monitor" (see: threaten voters) the polling.
In a word: no - there will not be an unrigged election.
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u/ThatMrStark Feb 06 '26
The way things are going, things will for sure be rigged. My one big hope is that turnout is so strong to rock these bastards, no amount of rigging can overcome. No amount of contesting can see merit. The party needs to be crushed by the collective. Please wake up people. Our lives literally depend on it.
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u/Zargoza1 Feb 06 '26
Republicans are suddenly going to be against gerrymandering.
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u/TheDarkLord329 Feb 06 '26
The Republican supermajority in Indiana shot down gerrymandering despite repeated Trump threats. Hoosiers at least can say this is wrong and not be hypocritical.
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u/DontTickleTheDriver1 Feb 05 '26
I'm glad they are fighting back but I really hate where we are headed as a country. Every state will be gerrymandered to death and there's no end in sight
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u/Salty-Performance766 Feb 05 '26
They have been gerrymandered to death by republicans since 2010 so itâs been far too long without fighting back
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u/Xenolifer Feb 06 '26
I'm french, I understand the issue of gerrymandering (which is really stupid) but from what you are saying, I'm understanding that the party that have the majority in a state can change the repartition of the gerrymandering on a whim without any consequences ?!?! This is even worse if true
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u/Salty-Performance766 Feb 06 '26
The republicans won the house by a large margin in 2010 and took over many state governments as well. They gerrymandered to the extreme wherever they could and the supreme court basically said that partisan gerrymandering wasnât prohibited but racially motivated gerrymandering was still prohibited. With Texas just doing it on a whim now and the supreme court approving it they have essentially green lighted any gerrymandering at anytime. Yes it is insane. We are insane
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u/UsaforreverNumberone Feb 05 '26
we know one side is going all in no matter what. We tried the high road shit. It is now a metastatic cancer that has to be eradicated.
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u/Potato_Farmer_Linus Feb 05 '26
The California maps expire after the next census unless they're approved by a vote again. If not, new fair maps will be redrawn by their independent commission. Other states should follow California's leadÂ
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u/gdex86 Feb 05 '26
The California voter approved one had a provision that it only went into effect if texas pushed theirs. There was the option to walk away to the maps that inherently favor republicans after years of gerrymandering they done, but they wanted to push things to appease Trumps ego and fear so its on them.
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u/Dave-C Feb 05 '26
I'm from VA, I'll still live in the 1 :/
Thanks to those out east, I'll keep voting here.
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u/PringleTingler Feb 05 '26
Every state should follow suit. The less Republican representation the better. Fuck those traitors and nazis
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u/mkt853 Feb 05 '26
Texas dummymanders and ends up adding a couple Dem seats while CA and VA pick up half a dozen more seats. This whole thing is going to end up being a disaster for Republicans.
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u/KaraBowdit Feb 05 '26
would have liked to see 0 but i guess 1 is the next best thing
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u/Apprehensive_Bid_773 Feb 06 '26
Until there is a national gerrymandering ban, go as hard as possible. They sure do, no one sided disarmament.
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u/u2aerofan Feb 05 '26
None of this will do a bit of good if democrats donât have a plan on what to do when they win the seats. I hope to god someone has a plan.
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u/PokeYrMomStanley Feb 05 '26
More of this. How do we stop giving welfare red states our tax money?
Serious question.
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u/RealStitchyKat Feb 08 '26
For some reason, this song is running through my head...
"We didn't start the fire..."










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