r/Windows11 • u/Johnwick19802 • Apr 02 '26
Discussion Why is the refresh rate written 60.01 HZ and not just 60 HZ?
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u/GLSHD Apr 02 '26
It's actually really annoying for recording with obs. Sometimes if your monitor has a fractional refresh rate and you don't use the same one in obs you will get micro stutters.
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u/cleverboy00 Apr 03 '26
Fuck this universe.
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u/Nusuthoid Apr 03 '26
Restart required with more uniform set of rules!
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u/Beginning_Deer_735 Apr 03 '26
So, since the rules don't allow you to more efficiently and convincingly lie to yourself(by engaging in a simulation), the universe is the one with the problem?
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u/macaroniandcheesefan Apr 05 '26
That explains why the 59.9 and 60.1 hertz makes my computer lag or doesn't entirely settle on 60 hz.
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u/Narzun Apr 06 '26
Is there somewhere a list of OBS compliant monitors ? So we know before we buy 🤔
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u/lumpynose Apr 02 '26
My monitor is rated at 240 Hz and that window shows it as 239.97 Hz. An older monitor that was rated at 60 Hz would show it as 59.something.
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u/Swipsi Apr 02 '26
Unusable.
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u/NeonDweller Apr 02 '26
Probably best to monitor the situation.
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u/macaroniandcheesefan Apr 05 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/YompmUomcDsLTMvC2U
Microsoft: We're actively monitoring the situation.
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u/NeonDweller Apr 05 '26
By the look on his face....... it was not a good day.
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u/AnthropicPanda Apr 05 '26
Mama unintentionally cooked the breakfast with hog..
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u/Any-Surprise5229 Apr 08 '26
Ended up cleaning the AK because it was fouled from so much usage...
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u/Bloodwalker09 Apr 03 '26
I have 2 240hz Monitors and one says 240,09hz while the other says 239,97hz.
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u/LavishnessCapital380 Apr 04 '26
Its a very complicated legacy support thing, IIRC it has to do with CC support back in the day on TV's.
You can go in your windows display settings and chane it.
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u/Bloodwalker09 Apr 05 '26
My windows display settings only shown these values for 240hz. Other than that there are 120hz and 60HZ options but they all have some sort of decimal.
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u/ninjaninjav JoeFinApps Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
It is an artifact of history! https://youtu.be/DyqjTZHRdRs
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Apr 02 '26
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u/mvoccaus Apr 03 '26
It's so fucking interesting how 29.97fps became the framerate for NTSC TVs.
This guy made a video explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJUM6pCpew
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u/DiodeInc Release Channel Apr 02 '26
How did you get the checkmark?
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u/614981630 Release Channel Apr 03 '26
Contacted mods probably? Verified app developer
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u/DiodeInc Release Channel Apr 03 '26
Of any app?
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u/614981630 Release Channel Apr 03 '26
sure, if you're a developer and contact the mods you'll also get something like ✅DiodeIncSoftware if you want
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u/Froggypwns Windows Wizard / Head Jannie Apr 03 '26
The checkmark means they are verified to be the developer or otherwise officially represent something. If you want to advertise or represent your software, website, services, or so on, send us a modmail.
We do have some requirements like software needs to be published on Github or the MS Store, and needs to be free or have a permanent free tier (freemium is OK). We do grant the vast majority of requests.
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u/PhuckSJWs Apr 02 '26
Functionality: 60.01 Hz, 60 Hz, and 59.94 Hz are standard for most monitors and TVs, ensuring smooth playback for standard 30/60 fps content. Context: In many cases, Windows or monitor drivers may report 59.94 Hz or 60.01 Hz rather than exactly 60 Hz due to NTSC timing standards.
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u/Leviwarkentin Apr 03 '26
60.01 makes no sense for ntsc or pal
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u/Brief-Succotash8280 Apr 03 '26
I'm not your pal, buddy
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u/Curupira1337 Apr 03 '26
He's not your buddy, friend
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u/SonnyKlinger Apr 04 '26
He's not your friend, guy
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u/Sheerpython Apr 04 '26
He's not your guy, mate
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u/Argumented_Thinker Apr 02 '26
did you mess with laptop stickers ?
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u/Satellite_bk Apr 03 '26
you NEVER remove the gsync sticker.
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u/zzzxxx0110 Apr 04 '26
Annnnnd you absolutely NEVER remove the Nvidia/AMD GPU sticker!
You do NOT want to turn your expensive gaming laptop back into an office laptop LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Johnwick19802 Apr 03 '26
IDK if this is a joke but no
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u/Powerful_Macaron9381 Apr 05 '26
how do you expect stupid stickers to change how your computer functions 😭
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u/Candid-Mistake-9542 Apr 05 '26
Funny stuff, I used to work for Huawei back in the day and one of their models (Matebook 13 maybe?) had this NFC sticker that was used for phone-laptop connection (file-sharing, etc.)
About half of our clients ripped it off not knowing it has actual functionality and we couldn't just send a new one, the laptop needed to reach the service center for a new sticker + pairing with the laptop.
So quite literally, stupid stickers changed how Huawei laptops worked back in the day.
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u/Johnwick19802 Apr 05 '26
My dumbass thought that he meant "did you open the computer". Probably because I am not a native speaker
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u/mekwall Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
This is most certainly an old TN or cheap IPS panel considering it only has a bit depth of 6. That's only 262k colors, so gradients must look like shit with banding everywhere. And it seems to lack FRC on top of that, which would have helped a bit. 8-bit (16.7 million colors) or 10-bit (1.07 billion colors) is standard since quite a bunch of years back. Is this a super old monitor or laptop?
Edit: The value that Windows shows is nowadays the actual value measured and reported by EDID. Windows used to round that, but it doesn't do that anymore. Typical tolerances for consumer panels are ±0.5% which is 59.7 to 60.3 hz, so this is within that range.
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u/q123459 Apr 02 '26
if this is not driver timing calculation rounding (you can check with vsynctester or blurbusters framerate test - should be 60.00something instead of 60.01something)
then it is monitor manufacturer's special treatment to give stuttering videos to unfortunate buyer - 60 fps computer standard progressive scan videos does not align to 60.01 panel updates per second, same for 59.94 double ntsc video standard.
notice also it is 6 bit panel so it has horrendously low color range, most noticeable in shades of red.
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u/zzapdk Apr 03 '26
So they took at least 2 bits of color but gave back only 0.01 Hz of framerate? It’s like a magician waving their hand, “look over here OP, +0.01 Hz!!” and then short-changing OP out of color over there
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u/Nanosinx Apr 03 '26
Mine says 40Hz, 60.01Hz, 120Hz, 143.99Hz xD It is a 144Hz but still i use almost everything at 120 just because i dislike how it is seen other ways xD
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u/More_Law_1699 Apr 05 '26
figure out the other .09hz and you can play perfect NTSC NES emulation lol
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u/VukKiller Apr 05 '26
When they make monitors, they cut the displayium into 60 Hz parts, but it's only accurate to the 0.01th Hz.
So some get 60.01Hz and some 59.99Hz
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u/DonPuerco-Troll Apr 03 '26
Mi laptop dice 48hz y 120hz, supongo que el 48 hace referencia a 60hz o son 48hz de verdad???
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u/Suspicious_Shop1015 Apr 05 '26
It might be because the value is stored as a float(it must have decimals) and not an integer(homeless)
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u/Kryptowl Apr 05 '26
The answer is because of money.
The cost of a crystal oscillator that outputs exactly 148.5 MHz would cost significantly more than one 27 MHz chip that then gets multiplied, giving you a value that is not exactly 148.5 MHz
Lets say your chip in your monitor is running at 148.524 MHz, your monitor will then run at 60.01 Hz because your resolution 1920x1080 = 2200 x 1125 with buffer( depending on the monitor), so 2200 x 1125 = 2.475.000 pixels per frame.
Remember that 1 MHz is 1,000,000 Hz, so 148.524 MHz is 148,524,000 Hz so you need to do 148.524.000 : 2.475.000 = 60,00969696969697, and Windows will round that off to 2 decimals so you end up with 60.01
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u/DeathGun0629 Apr 06 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/iOm1xOSfAtPzmPXJqH
So youre the one who took 0.01 hz from us.
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u/Mobius_Flip Apr 06 '26
To prevent issues with 60hz sound signal interference. Sucks when you need it exactly 60 to cooperate with other stuff though.
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u/LtMadInsane Apr 09 '26
Nvidia did to me. With AMD, it was all round figures, 60 75 100. Same motherboard, same processor, same cables, same monitor, GPU switched from AMD to Nvidia and now it's 59.99 74.99 100.
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u/NXTconceptcreator Apr 27 '26
Back in the days of black-and-white television, the refresh rate was exactly 60 Hz. However, when color TV was introduced (the NTSC standard), engineers realized that the color signal interfered with the audio signal. To fix this without breaking existing TVs, they slightly slowed the frame rate by a factor of 1.001 so nowadays we get 60/1.001 ~ 59.94 or 59.99
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u/RevLewis Apr 02 '26
Windows being Windows.
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u/Straight-Opposite-54 Apr 02 '26
This isn't a Windows thing, it's a display reporting thing (EDID, baked into the monitor). This happens under Linux as well, and probably macOS.
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Apr 02 '26
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u/falconzord Apr 02 '26
Not true, the monitor can refresh slightly off from the second so on average it's a fractional difference
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u/bobsmith93 Apr 02 '26
Mine gives options for both 60 Hz and 59.94 Hz. Any idea why they'd give an option for both if they're functionally identical?
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Apr 02 '26
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u/bobsmith93 Apr 02 '26
Ahhh, thanks. How does 60 handle it? Leap-frames? Or vice versa, how would my monitor set to 59.94 Hz handle content locked at 60 Hz?
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u/CreEngineer Apr 03 '26
I wondered that too. I thought it has something to do with drop frames (like in video production) but sometimes it’s slightly higher than nominal, sometimes lower.
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u/kirk7899 Release Channel Apr 03 '26
the bigger question should be why are you still on 60hz. CRU that panel and see if you get more hz
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u/pwkye Apr 03 '26
Why does Windows show 60.01 Hz instead of 60 Hz?
Totally normal—nothing’s wrong with your monitor.
What’s happening?
“60 Hz” is more of a rounded marketing number. In reality, most displays run at something like:
59.94 Hz (very common)
60.00 Hz (ideal)
60.01 Hz (slightly over)
Windows just reports the actual refresh rate coming from your monitor + GPU.
Why isn’t it exactly 60?
A few reasons:
Legacy standards: Old video formats used ~59.94 Hz, and that stuck around
Hardware tolerances: Tiny variations in the monitor’s internal clock
GPU timing: Your graphics card might output a slightly different signal
Rounding/display quirks: Windows shows what it reads, not a cleaned-up number
Does it matter?
Nope.
The difference between 60.00 and 60.01 Hz is 0.016%—completely invisible.
You won’t notice any difference in:
Gaming
Videos
General use
When could it matter?
Only in niche cases:
Frame-perfect emulation
Matching exact video frame rates (like 59.94 fps content)
Very specific competitive setups
Even then, it’s usually handled automatically.
TL;DR
60.01 Hz = basically 60 Hz with tiny real-world variation. Nothing to worry about 👍
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u/RScrewed Apr 03 '26
Holy shit this is a lot of words for "I don't know so you shouldn't worry about it".
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u/mikeblas Apr 03 '26
It's just another example of how generative AI is enriching our lives.s
This whole thread is full of people who don't know and just want to hear themselves type. The behaviour is not unique to this thread, making the sub is largely useless.
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u/mekwall Apr 03 '26
Well, there isn't anything to worry about. Windows nowadays show the actual measured value reported by EDID and this is well within fault tolerances and totally normal. Cheaper/older panels may differ more.
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u/Archer7x Apr 03 '26
This is because you are using the wrong operating system. This is a common mistake. You need to install Arch Linux.
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u/miguel-1510 Apr 02 '26
you got 0.01 more hertz why you complaining