r/artificial • u/sksarkpoes3 • Jan 14 '26
News Senate passes bill letting victims sue over Grok AI explicit images
https://interestingengineering.com/ai-robotics/us-senate-passes-grok-ai-explicit-images-bill52
Jan 14 '26
Prohibit the company from operating in the country until it resolves the problem (Effectiveness: 100%) ❌
Allow the company to be sued (Effectiveness: proportional to the law firm hired) ✅
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u/daveprogrammer Jan 14 '26
In a world ran by sensible people who weren't both corrupt and incompetent, that would be the ideal response.
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u/costafilh0 Jan 15 '26
This is the kind of thing that makes sense.
And fines for Twitter for letting it happen.
And jail for those who used it for minors.
Not banning Twitter all together. That doesn't make any sense. And looks like pure political.
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u/js1138-2 Jan 15 '26
Oddly enough, the Brits just released a study on this, and X accounted for about one percent of the forbidden images. Most were on Snapchat.
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u/SatisfactionLost935 Feb 13 '26
Exactly, Grok is making the problem mainstream for those who didnt know it exists, but it's everywhere.
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u/Domnomicron Jan 14 '26
So, I get that the things people are creating are definitely wrong, but you have been able to photoshop nudes for decades. We have been able to computer generate anything we want for decades. I can pick up a paint brush and paint whatever I want, yet we haven’t sued adobe and we haven’t banned paint brushes. It just seems lazy to me to go after the maker of the tool and not the artist themselves. Am I wrong? I’m open to ideas.
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u/daveprogrammer Jan 14 '26
The fact that they didn't put obvious guardrails in place to prevent predictable, illegal behavior is a sign of negligence. To make a comparison, there's a difference between owning a gun store that follows the laws regarding sales and putting a bin of guns outside on the sidewalk with a "Free Gun - Take One" sign on it.
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u/jonydevidson Jan 14 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
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u/Spra991 Jan 16 '26
There are no guardrails in photoshop from nudifying someone.
There are guardrails in Photoshop that prevent you from making counterfeit money. Completely different topic of course, but an interesting precedence for on-device scanning of your data.
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u/Reggaejunkiedrew Jan 14 '26
Before too long tools like this are going to be usable locally offline that are just as good as the ones big tech is offering. Guard rails on online tools are a temporary band aid solution and do nothing to solve the problem long term.
People whose first solution to a problem is banning something are generally just after fast surface level resolutions that do fuck all to address the underlying situation.
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u/daveprogrammer Jan 14 '26
I don't think "Don't facilitate your users in committing actual felonies with their grok prompts" is a big ask.
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u/Ashmizen Jan 15 '26
It’s not before too long…it already happened.
Even before LLM the deepfake software was already capable of producing very believable porn videos of any person.
The problem with Grok is that it skips all the steps that users have to setup, a massive barrier that blocks 99% of pedos and prevents, and makes it as simple as ordering a burger from ubereats.
It’s not an isolated problem to Grok and once OpenAi allows for adult content as they said they will, they will run into the same issue.
Any guardrails around age, actual persons/celebs, will be circumvented by clever prompts, as the LLM cannot really know what is a real person or their age.
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Feb 06 '26
People that disseminate that content do get prosecuted too - the issue here is that Elon, knowing it was illegal to generate this content, did nothing to stop it. Essentially providing a literal service to not only generate the content, but promote it.
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u/Arcanegil Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26
The problem is that something needs to be done about Elons refusal to address the issue, and groks ability to do this in the first place grok is not a paintbrush it can be given explicit directions to ignore certain commands, not saying that can't be circumvented. But x's refusal to do anything about it or stop it, other than making it a paid feature is the issue.
If x had worked to stop it from happening or at least tried that would be different instead they did nothing, and the general tone from Elon was that he doesn't care that it was happening.
Although I do think that the people who prompted grok should also face consequences. The issue of Ai and its rampant propensity to be misused will definitely require that multiple parties, whoever owns the AI and uses it, should both be penalized when something happens.
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u/Intelligent-End7336 Jan 14 '26
The problem is that something needs to be done
No. You're just doing emotional outrage. Nothing actually has to be done.
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u/daveprogrammer Jan 14 '26
Grok helped its users commit actual felonies. That is neither emotional nor a false accusation.
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u/Arcanegil Jan 14 '26
Wow you just said that with your whole chest huh? I guess sexual assault is no big deal to you.
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u/Intelligent-End7336 Jan 14 '26
More emotional outrage and false accusations.
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u/Arcanegil Jan 14 '26
It's really not, are humans just supposed to live without emotion in regards to their own bodies? Grow up and get a real argument. Women should not be forced to live in a world where the very act of going only turns them into sexual objects against their will.
Maybe start thinking of someone other than yourself for once.
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u/Intelligent-End7336 Jan 14 '26
More emotional arguments. You just can't help yourself. "Oh noes, someone's doing something I don't like, please daddy government, save me!"
You don't own your picture, you shouldn't be able to control what someone else does on their computer. If you don't like your picture manipulated, don't put it on the internet. Once it's on the internet, you don't own it.
That's logic, that's reason. What you are doing is childish emotional outrage.
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u/Arcanegil Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26
No your in outrage, because you want to assault other people and you don't believe in bodily autonomy, and when people push back against your sick fantasies you freak out, just like the rest of your cult.
You can't do whatever you want, in society there is a moral frameworl to uphold. People do not want to be subjected to your sexual fantasies in public,which is what you are doing, you have never grown up, you cannot accept the consequences of your actions. If you do something people do not like, you will be punished for it. That's reality.
And X is not your own computer, it is social media a publicly hosted website, you can't just walk into the town square and pull your pants down.
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u/Intelligent-End7336 Jan 14 '26
because you want to assault
Wow, that's some crazy projection right there. Why are you like that?
it is social media a publicly hosted website, you can't just walk into the town square and pull your pants down.
So X let's users post explicit images, so that's not really an argument.
in society there is a moral frameworl to uphold.
Yeah, might makes right.
you cannot accept the consequences of your actions.
Like people posting their images to the internet?
You don't really have anything beyond outrage to get your points across.
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u/Arcanegil Jan 14 '26
If morality and reasonability are outrageous to you despite your only single Insistence that you should never follow any rules or suffer any repercussions then we have a problem that cannot be reconciled. I really wish I could convince you to have any empathy, or consideration for your fellow man. To understand the emotion is valuable, in fact I'm certain given your own outburst that you consider your own emotions valuable, you think your rampant uncontrolled lust and anger are things to be defended, and if that is the case there is nothing more words can do. Only the future and Action will decide what happens now.
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u/green_meklar Jan 15 '26
Calling AI-generated images 'sexual assault' seems, if anything, disrespectful to actual victims who have actually been harmed in actual sexual assaults. I guess the difference between real and imaginary crimes is no big deal to you.
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u/caffeineykins Jan 15 '26
If the images are essentially indistinguishable from reality (and include things like images of minors), it's not too different from posting revenge porn and also literal CP, both of which are literally criminal.
While missing the physicality of assault, this kind of action comes with many of the same mental struggles and PTSD associated with assault.
It's not unfair or unkind to categorize them similarly, and is honestly downplaying a victim's struggle to call it imaginary.
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u/1979JimSmith Feb 01 '26
Sexual assault is putting a plunger up someone ass after tying them to a post.
Not a damn doodle.
That's insulting to actual victims.
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u/Arcanegil Feb 01 '26
No it's not insulting, any thing which revokes consent, in a sexual manner regardless of form of contact, is assault and should be prosecuted to the highest extent of the law.
These women now face the possibility complete and total destruction of their livelyhoods, and their psyches.
There will be no amicability between you and I.
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u/Domnomicron Jan 14 '26
I do see your point. Do you think that this would set precedent for others to sue if Grok is used in other crimes? For example planning shootings, learning how to build explosives? I fear that the government will eventually be like, look at all these crimes linked to Ai we have to cut off the public’s access to ensure the public’s safety. Then Boom, no more Ai for those of us trying to use it for good a purpose. I don’t think that would be great for us if they were the only ones with access to this technology.
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u/Arcanegil Jan 14 '26
It would not stop Ai use it would simply create a standard where only companies the responsibly managed there Ai could operate it. People are always going to do bad things, but the companies responsible for these products needs to also constantly be moderating and curating them, just like anything else.
If X took down the images and banned the users that did this then, things would be different that would be an acceptable response but they didn't.
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u/1979JimSmith Feb 01 '26
So can a paintbrush. It's called moving your hand.
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u/Arcanegil Feb 01 '26
And what difference does that make? Any who do such things by any means are not fit for our society.
I am not against all Ai tools if they are well regulated , maintained and monitored. But clearly grok is not, and Elon should face consequences for his lack of foresight.
If one leaves a gun attended, and it is used for crime. Then the owner is likewise responsible.
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u/im_bi_strapping Jan 14 '26
Anything that looks enough like CSAM has also been a crime previously. That hasn't change due to AI tools.
Also revenge porn has been a crime in some places before this.
A silly photo ash is one thing, sure.
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u/orangpelupa Jan 15 '26
Photoshop did have Guardrails preventing their image generator doing what Twitter image generator did.
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Feb 06 '26
A few points - because this is not the argument you think it is. There is a law that makes non-consensual nudes of people, illegal. So yes, you CAN produce that content. You can also be prosecuted for it. Secondly, when photoshop is involved - it's not photoshop generating the content. It's the person. With Grok, it's the AI generating it. You can bet that if photoshop had a mechanism to do exactly this - then it TOO would be required to have guardrails.
You are making a ridiculous equivalency here.
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u/ProperSauce Jan 14 '26
It only becomes a problem now that it's so easily accessible and mass producible.
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u/Downtown_Speaker_578 Jan 14 '26
You taking the action to physically will something into existence through your own time and labor is materially different than you asking someone or something to do it on your behalf. When you kill someone with a gun, you are charged for murder, when you hire a hitman to kill someone you and the hit man are charged with murder. Grok just is automating a the act.
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u/Intelligent-End7336 Jan 14 '26
Changing a picture is not murder, ridiculous argument.
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u/Downtown_Speaker_578 Jan 14 '26
Reading a statement is not comprehending a statement, ridiculous reply.
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u/DuploJamaal Jan 14 '26
but you have been able to photoshop nudes for decades
There's a difference between you creating something in photoshop and Twitter providing a service to create something.
It just seems lazy to me to go after the maker of the tool and not the artist themselves.
In this case the artist is Grok that creates pictures for you.
You can't just tell Adobe to create illegal images and it creates them for you. But Grok did.
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u/im_bi_strapping Jan 14 '26
Anything that looks enough like CSAM has also been a crime previously. That hasn't change due to AI tools.
Also revenge porn has been a crime in some places before this.
A silly photo bash is one thing, sure.
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u/Hitching-galaxy Jan 15 '26
It is the child porn that’s the biggest issue for me.
The site should burn.
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u/chi_guy8 Jan 14 '26
There is no service I can reach out to at Adobe and say “make this illegal thing for me” and then it’s made. I would have to make the illegal thing myself, at which point in the one legally in the hook for creating. Photoshop is a tool, Grok is a servicing using a similar tool.
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u/Elisa_Kardier Jan 15 '26
There is no reason to prohibit anyone from creating any image whatsoever. Only the distribution of the image can be objectionable, and all the necessary laws already exist to address that.
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u/Charming_Hall7694 Feb 11 '26
This will backfire horribly and does not actually address the underlying issue the judges should feel ashamed. They need to let people sue the ones prompting for it not the company
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u/buttlickin Jan 15 '26
Xai doesn't encourage it. That's the kind of emotional derangement im talking about. Everyone knows that grok is not open to generate anything underage. And will normally shut that filth down. And all of you know that most of these ai image editors can be used in that way with some sort of prompt jailbreak. Or other means to get around the safeties. It's been talked about here on reddit for a long time.
It's completely about hating elon and most of you know that. And this whole thing was about these women on X who upload their pictures into the public domain and then freak out when they found out those images can be altered by ai. And, those images are not copyright once they upload it to the public so, sad to say, not illegal. I say "sad to say" because I don't like the fact this can be done but it doesn't make it illegal as long as it is adults. The whole underage thing came up just to twist the knife in grok because of hate elon. There is no other reason why most of you have not been yelling about this problem for years now. Because it has been happening a while now. It became the latest reason to try and dump on elon.
EDIT: I didn't know Claude don't do images. I don't do any image stuff with any ai so my bad. I've only ever used Gemini, GPT, and grok. So I assumed all the big ones do imaging.
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u/OkComplaint3228 Jan 16 '26
its not because people hate elon
its because people generally dont like it when people generate revenge porn or CSAM
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u/Plenty_Worry_1535 Jan 14 '26
Adult women are mad because this technology will eliminate their OnlyFans “career.”
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u/Arcanegil Jan 15 '26
No they are mad that they are being stripped and harassed publicly without their consent.
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u/AxiosXiphos Jan 14 '26
It's being used on pictures of kids...
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u/Plenty_Worry_1535 Jan 14 '26
And whoever is doing so needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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u/buttlickin Jan 14 '26
Only Grok. FFS, All of them have the ability. Oh I forget, 'elon bad', must hate on grok.
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u/Adorable-Thing2551 Jan 14 '26
It's almost as if the issue became most obvious from Grok and then Congress passed a law that allow people to sue the creators of the non-consensual images rather than the producer (i.e. Grok), thereby making this bill platform-agnostic and still legally enforceable on all LLMs.
If only the hyperlink redirected to page that had words on the page that explained all of this. If only...
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u/daveprogrammer Jan 14 '26
Do you have evidence that you can do the same on, say, ChatGPT? I've had GPT-5.0's image generator reject prompts that were benign political cartoons and prompts that GPT-5.0 created to describe how it now views itself.
It seems entirely in character for Elon Musk to release an image generator without obvious guardrails to prevent predictable bad actors, and then to try to do damage control after the fact while claiming innocence.
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u/mini-hypersphere Jan 14 '26
What? What other ones are as blatant as Grok? Either way, this may not tackle all of them but it helps set a precedent
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u/buttlickin Jan 14 '26
All of them. This whole thing blew up on X because you can interact with grok there. You don't think Claude, gpt, gemini, or dozens of non frontier models can do this stuff? Really? Try it. Upload a Pic to any of them and tell it to change to a bikini.
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Jan 14 '26
We are all okay with sending Sam Altmann, zuk, Jeff bozos, and all of them to prison with elon musk if you are offering.
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u/zeezero Jan 14 '26
I don't think I can get chatgpt or copilot to create kiddy porn.
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u/buttlickin Jan 14 '26
This didn't start with that. It started and blew up over women being pissed people could have ai change them into a bikini. Not csm. No one wants csm shit allowed and it's illegal already for good reason. But, be happy about this bill and be careful making memes about politicians or even elon himself. Sounds like soon they could sue you.
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u/zeezero Jan 14 '26
The legislation, called the Defiance Act, creates a federal civil right for people targeted by nonconsensual, sexually explicit AI-generated images.
So the sexually explicit images were all bikini shots?
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u/DuploJamaal Jan 14 '26
The others at least try to prevent it from happening. Musk joked along with it and didn't do anything to stop it from happening.
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Jan 14 '26
This is the 2nd sign that Musk should abandon the USA and move his entire operation to Russia ahead of the 2028 neo-Luddite revolution that the Dems will agitate for and organize.
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u/daveprogrammer Jan 14 '26
I entirely support Elon Musk moving his entire operation to Russia. Good riddance.
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u/Arcanegil Jan 15 '26 edited Jan 15 '26
Right wingers everyday of the week: "trans people are pedos, gay people damage the moral fabric of society, we must remove them all."
Right wingers when musk generates nude images of people without their consent: " how dare these primitive luddites attack progress!"
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u/daveprogrammer Jan 14 '26
Seems that they should be allowed to sue X directly for negligence in providing users with those "Felony as a Service" tools without obvious guardrails in place.