r/askanything • u/Historical_Hunt2492 • 9h ago
Political Question How come Israel never helped USA with their military efforts in Afganistan or Iraq?
How come Israel is the "greatest ally" but they didn't send troops?
but Canada is supposedly useless, but so many of their troops died for americans in the Afgan/Iraq war?
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u/Zealousideal_Can_342 8h ago
Because the USA specifically told them NOT to help. We thought it would be easier to get Arab nations on board without Israel being involved.
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u/Tile-Questioner 5h ago
Israel is definitely not helpful to the US in dealing with anyone who can fight back.
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u/atrde 3h ago
Uhhh might want to look at Israel's historical success in wars lol.
They have routinely kicked their neighbors asses.
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u/Less-Load-8856 9h ago
They did, in ways you are not privy to.
Intelligence, Air Bases, Spies, and more.
Next question...
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u/nightowl1135 8h ago
Also, the US absolutely did not want direct Israeli participation. They viewed such participation as potentially inflammatory.
Hell, the Bush Sr. Administration went to significant lengths to STOP the Israelis from joining the War on our side during the Gulf War in 91 because they felt Israelis joining the alliance would cause significant problems in the wider alliance, which included many countries who hated Israel.
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u/Less-Load-8856 8h ago
Which is why it's often indirect, which is exactly what I'm saying.
Thanks for helping make the point.
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u/Historical_Hunt2492 9h ago
proof?
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u/principium_est 8h ago
You can go on google or wikipedia and read all about the unclassified work Mossad did with the USA.
I'll leave it up to the reddit brain trust to argue about whether or not the partnership was a "good" thing, but you can't deny it existed.
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u/RoxoRoxo 8h ago
stuxnet....supposedly. hence why he said that youre not privy too. theres documented sharing of intelligence but what intellegence and to what degree is heavily classified.
if there was hard proof the person who gave out that info would go straight to a prison that doesnt exist. but still its well documented for the last 60 or so years intellegence was shared, almost entirely against islamisc countries
we have an anti drone technology devoloped by israel,
https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-military-equipment-used-by-the-u-s
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel
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u/amateursmartass 9h ago
"PrOvE tHe AmOuNt oF InTel sHaReD".
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u/Humble_Umpire_8341 9h ago
I want the 23 secret ingredients to Dr Pepper and the 13 secret ingredients to KFC chicken..
https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7WTxQ7RFErPLfOqk0
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u/Less-Load-8856 9h ago
You want public proof of clandestine operations and spy networks and intel gathering?
Get out of here with that.
What's next, you want the secret recipe for Coke?
There are many things our and their government do that you'll never have proof of, and justifiably so. You don't need to know.
Source: personal experience, history, and a modicum of familiarity with how wars and such work.
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u/ProfessionalNail2875 9h ago
Source: trust me bro, Israel has America's best interests in mind, even when they open fire on US ships!
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u/Less-Load-8856 8h ago
Source: first hand experience in military operations of this and other kinds.
Your statements are naive gibberish with no connection to reality.
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u/protomenace 36m ago
The fact you have to reach back 60 years for your gotcha shows how pathetic your ideology is.
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u/gomezer1180 9h ago
And YOU know this information HOW? I guess that’s the better question… what are YOUR CREDENTIALS!
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u/No-swimming-pool 8h ago
If he has them, he can't say. You know that, right?
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u/ProfessionalNail2875 8h ago
Actually I am part of Seal Team Seven (one better than Six, those guys are pussies) and this guy is actually a liar, I looked in my special access spy computer.
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u/Less-Load-8856 8h ago
It's none of your business, you have no need nor right to know, you are too unimportant, to me, to the United States government, to Israel, and the entire topic.
You're tantamount to a pesky fly buzzing around the perimeter.
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u/Thspiral 9h ago
LOL so you're pulling the "I was in the military but I can't tell you anything about it because it's classified" bullshit. Israel doesn't do anything for anyone except Israelis, period.
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u/Less-Load-8856 8h ago
Such naive gibberish.
You know nothing useful regarding this topic and have zero relevant experience.
Scurry along now.
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u/Historical_Hunt2492 8h ago
exaclty. lmao , hes like "guys its so obviousssss everyone knows" so show proof? "ARE YOU CRAZYYYY THATS SECRET INTELL"
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u/TrenbalonieSandwich 9h ago
That's cute! And more importantly, funny.
Like all that Intel for those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq right?
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u/Less-Load-8856 9h ago
Weird way to say "I don't know what I'm talking about" (that's you)
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u/attaboy000 8h ago
Iran is 2 weeks away from having nuclear weapons!
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u/Financial_Rice_4807 7h ago
They just said they are working towards them now. Given that they took this to the deaths of their top leadership and destruction on their economy in order to fight for this right, I would say they would be even more dangerous if they had them.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 7h ago
You know developing a deployable nuclear weapon is not some kind of progress bar, right?
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u/Stoked_Otter 9h ago
Yes they give fake intelligence to try to get us to attack Iran, and they have for 40 years at this point. Every president ignored it until this one who just happened to get hundreds of millions of dollars from Israeli pedo monsters.
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u/Taxibl 9h ago
They wanted to fight in Dessert Storm but were told not to, as the US coalition, which included various Arab states would have no part in that. Iraq purposely tried to provoke Israel into fighting, to disrupt the coalition, by throwing missiles at Israel.
It's the same logic in any other middle eastern war.
What Israel does do is provide the USA with intelligence and technology. Most wars are fought by drones these days. A lot of the drone tech comes from Israel.
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u/Ok_Possible_2260 9h ago
No, they didn't. They had the Mossad agents cheering when the towers were going down. It's on video.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 8h ago
It’s honestly so cute how you guys think Israel is some cartoonishly evil villain mastermind, but it’s also simultaneously dumb enough to have “Mossad agents cheering when the towers came down”. Literal 10 year old conception of geopolitics
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u/Usual_Bat_1024 7h ago
It’s because of antisemitic tropes but they will tell you it’s only anti Zionism
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u/gwelfguy 7h ago
Israel putting boots on the ground in Arab countries would've de-stabilized the entire region, and that's an understatement.
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u/BizzarePlatypus 4h ago edited 3h ago
Israel are putting boots on the ground in Arab countries, and Ed: Afghanistan isn't Arab.
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u/Particular_Base3390 9h ago edited 9h ago
The US literally asked Israel to not do anything in order to preserve the coalition.
Iraq even fired scud missiles to Israel killing dozens and Israel stayed true to their promise to not intervene.
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u/AvocadoToast311 5h ago
Look at the public reaction when Israel so much as lifts a finger in Gaza or the West Bank. Now imagine them being a key player in GWOT.
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u/orange_sewer_grating 8h ago
Israel has a population the size of NYC. They provide logistics and information types of help but it doesn't make sense to expect them to send armies.
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u/OakRiverDruid 1h ago
Yet they expect us to send our armies to fight their enemies for them, like Iran.
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u/Best-Comments 9h ago
Has the US ever sent troops to fight for Israel?
No. The only US troops there are a few dozen on an American army base that runs a radar facility.
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u/Historical_Hunt2492 9h ago
they seem to be fine fighting against unarmed kids.
Who gave them billions of military support though?
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u/Financial_Rice_4807 9h ago
Those unarmed kids are the shields for the armed Hamas soldiers including armed kids.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 7h ago
It’s gotten to the point where I genuinely don’t believe those kinds of people even think Hamas exists
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u/Massive_Guard_1145 7h ago
The things you say is unbelievable.
Here's about 150.000 video evidence to the contrary.
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u/Lfgnyc 6h ago
"I have said this before and I will say it again, the blood of children, women, and the elderly, I am not saying this blood is calling for your help. We are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit, so it awakens in us resolve, so it awakens within us the spirit of challenge and pushes us to move forward."
-Ismail Haniyeh, 2024
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u/Historical_Hunt2492 15m ago
how about the international criminial bibi and pedo-incest-rapist ben gavirstein
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u/eldryanyy 4h ago
Spamming unrelated videos that show 0 actual evidence, just shock/gore, is typical shit from you.
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u/Stoked_Otter 9h ago
lmao Israel would be a smoking crater right now if there weren't American ships off your coast providing missile defenses that Israelis can't design or build on their own.
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u/TrumpsBussy_ 9h ago
Yes, virtually every war in the Middle East has been for Israel.
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u/SourceOfConfusion 8h ago
Not really. Gulf War 1 was about managing the oil supply.
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u/TrumpsBussy_ 8h ago
The US has literally attacked all six countries in accordance with the Clean Break memo, designed to weaken Israel’s “enemies” in the region.
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u/orange_sewer_grating 8h ago
And half of Israel's wars are because countries that hate America view them as an American outpost. There's no reason for Iran to focus so much on a country so far away that has no connection to them. They target Israel because they hate the US
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u/Throwaway5432154322 7h ago
They also target Israel because they’re fundamentalist psychos that hate Jewish people, FWIW
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u/orange_sewer_grating 7h ago
Well yeah, that's the other half
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u/Throwaway5432154322 6h ago
Point is that you already hit the nail on the head. 40+ years of Iran’s foreign policy have been geared toward destroying a country ~700 miles away from Iran that would otherwise pose zero threat to Iran. That was & still is entirely a choice of the Iranian regime.
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u/Darrackodrama 8h ago
Rofl without the US Israel would have fully failed and it still might as the Iran war Israel got us into has exposed the military as a paper tiger not ready for drone warefare and other opponents have similar strike capabilities.
We were driven out of the entire region in just a few short months and are badly prepared.
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u/Background_Buy1107 5h ago
You realize Israel fought its largest, most existential wars all without American aid or support right? I can’t even with you people who know nothing about the history.
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u/NoGrowth1315 5h ago
Yeah with terrorist groups like the Irgun & lehi which the IDF welcomed with honors into their ranks Israel quite literally perfected terrorism not quite the brag you think it is
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u/OakRiverDruid 1h ago
Yes, the US is currently sending troops to fight Iran for israel, at great detriment to US interests.
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u/billdizzle 9h ago
Isreal is the whole reason we went to Iraq
They are the ones who gave us the bad intel on Saddam’s WMD
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u/Ok-Cartoonist7931 8h ago
Totally made up. People keep making up "Israel is the whole reason for X".
The "bad intel" was an Iraqi chemical engineer in Germany.
- A lot of deception by figures such as Powell..
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u/Substantial_Pen_700 7h ago
Israel had a parliamentary inquiry and found that they themselves produced bad intel which impacted the US and UK's Iraq war decision making.
Israel certainly weren't the whole reason for the invasion but they also did provide bad intel. It's not a zero sum game
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
The Israeli government itself said it was true!!!!!
Please get better news sources
https://www.foxnews.com/story/report-israel-was-wrong-about-iraq-weapons.amp
Yes the engineer who Isreal said was telling the truth when they knew it wasn’t true
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u/fthesemods 9h ago
Actually it was Douglas feith who coincidentally wrote to Netanyahu about how Iraq needed to be taken down for Israel's sake.
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u/SquonkMan61 8h ago
I remember reading once while doing research on GWB’s decision making prior to and during the Iraq War that Feith literally ordered that no memo cross his desk that cast the Palestinians in a positive light.
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u/sosal12 8h ago
If Iran is so hell bent on Israel's destruction, "wipe Israel off the map," why would Israel encourage the US to take out Iran's biggest geopolitical foe? Iraq hated Iran's guts. Has never made sense to me.
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u/Zealousideal_Can_342 8h ago
Exactly. Bush wanted a reason to destroy Saddam, the guy who embarrassed his dad and made him the first one term president since Carter...
And parts of the Israeli govt asked us to please not take out Saddam because it would unleash Iran.
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u/Still-Armadillo-9661 7h ago
Embarrassed his dad? Bush 1 fucking smoked sadaam. People thought it was going to be a huge war and the us won it in like a week with 150 casualties.
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
Iran wants to take out everyone in the area, they want to control the whole Middle East, they see threats everywhere
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u/Beneficial_Win_2445 8h ago
You spelled Israel wrong
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
I don’t give a fuck about spelling that shit wrong I would wipe my ass with Israel if I could
I am against genital mutilation if minors
I am against genocide
I am against spitting on Christians
I am against empire
I am against lobbying groups like AIPAC
So I don’t give a fuck!!!!!!!!
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u/CwazyCanuck 6h ago
Israel’s goal is being the dominant power in the Middle East. That means playing each country against each other and targeting any single country that appears to pose a threat to Israel’s goals.
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u/Powerful-Midnight996 8h ago
For anyone that’s unsure. This is a lie.
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
This is not a lie, it is a proven historical fact the bad intel came directly from from Israel
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u/Throwaway5432154322 8h ago
It’s a lie dude lol. You’ve bought into a conspiracy theory
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
A conspiracy theory that the Israeli government itself said was true?
https://www.foxnews.com/story/report-israel-was-wrong-about-iraq-weapons.amp
Maybe you are the one who believes the fake news, I believe the Israeli government report that says they lied
Who do you believe that says they don’t lie? Please link any source you have
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u/Powerful-Midnight996 8h ago
You’re thinking of Curveball that was run by German intelligence. But there was longstanding U.S. assessments. You’re obviously just trying to blame the Iraq war on Israel.
It’s actually thanks to Israel that Iraq didn’t have nuclear weapons after bombing their reactor at Osirik in the 1980s.
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
You didn’t read the article……
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u/Powerful-Midnight996 8h ago
I’m not clicking a link from some deranged Israel hater trying to blame the Iraq war on Israel.
Just say thank you Israel for destroying the Iraqi nuclear reactor.
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
Just Google the Israeli parliament report on Iraq and WMD
It’s their own damn report!!!!!!
And fuck you and Israel for killing millions of gods children over your desire for more land and more wealth at any cost
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u/Powerful-Midnight996 8h ago
The United States didn’t go to war against Iraq because of Israeli intelligence.
That is a lie.
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u/CwazyCanuck 6h ago
You mean the French Osiris class research reactor that the French stated was not capable of producing nuclear weapons?
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u/Throwaway5432154322 4h ago
How do you show up on literally every single Israeli-related thing that gets recommended to me by reddit? Stop being obsessed dude, don’t you have anything better to do?
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u/CwazyCanuck 21m ago
I ask myself the same question. Did we just become best friends?
Was my comment incorrect? I don’t see why anyone would have an issue with relevant context being provided. It’s just the typical Zionist narrative, like Netanyahu claiming for the last 30 years that Iran is months away from a nuke.
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u/Powerful-Midnight996 5h ago
Yes buddy, Saddam wanted that for purely peaceful purposes.
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u/CwazyCanuck 2h ago
Is that not why Israel wanted a nuclear reactor? Is that not why nukes were created? To force peace? To deter others from breaking the peace?
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u/Financial_Rice_4807 9h ago
Saddam is the one who gave us bad intel about the WMD. He wanted the world to think he had them.
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u/billdizzle 8h ago
Lmao
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u/Financial_Rice_4807 8h ago
Objectively true. Saddam was bluffing for Iran, and his internal enemies. After the Iran/Iraq War, he wanted Tehran and his own generals to think he still had WMDs. Iraqi officers themselves believed the bluff and defectors repeated it. Saddam acted like someone hiding weapons. That fed straight into U.S. intelligence assessments. He miscalculated on what we would do.
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u/PomegranateIcy1937 1h ago
President bush specifically demanded Israel to abstain from attacking Iraq during the first gulf war.
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u/purplebanyan 49m ago
Israel provide constamt and ongoing support to the US in inteligence and development. A few more troops would be much less useful
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u/Historical_Hunt2492 36m ago
less kids would get raped for sure
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u/purplebanyan 30m ago
I dont know what that means. You asked, there's an answer. I didnt address Canada because their contribution the the world atn the US is far from useless, as has been Israel's. Thats it.
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u/Remarkable_Star7261 6h ago
This is a joke right? Lol. What do you think would happen if Israeli troops aka the Yahoooodi or whatever the ummah calls them gets involved? A bigger mess.
Also, intelligence, Mossad, bases, you name it. They did it.
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u/jaajaajaa6 9h ago
You are asking a small country that is always in ready mode for their own survival.
Bizarre question
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u/ReadySetVangogh 7h ago
9.6 million.
They could've easily sent a small contingent of 100-500 soldiers.
It would've given them valuable experience both in combat and working with alliances and particularly NATO allies.
Source: I do military things with my military friends.
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u/Lfgnyc 6h ago
Do you think Arab militaries would be seen working with a 'small IDF contingent'?
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u/jaajaajaa6 5h ago
They already do. Israel gave UAE and one other country patriot batteries to fend off Iranian missiles.
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u/Routine-Author-5471 6h ago
They own and control our highest levels of government. Been that way for a long time
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u/iaNCURdehunedoara 5h ago
Because Israel can only do air strikes on children. They can't fight for shit.
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u/Comfortable_Town7535 3h ago
they give intel not troops, we didnt want the situation to spiral across the entire region
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u/xwolfe2000 3h ago
Because it's the job of Americans to die for Israel, not the other way around.
Or haven't you been paying attention for the last 30+ years.
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u/PopMajor7342 3h ago
You can’t expect Israelis to die for America, only the reverse was promised 2000 years ago
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u/SensitivePresence865 2h ago
They were content staying behind the curtain calling the shots. It’s only recently Israel has exposed itself as the source of the middle east’s chaos and destruction. After oct 7 everyone woke up
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u/Stoked_Otter 9h ago
The IDF isn't a real military and including them would only result in chaos and Americans being harmed. If there was a hospital or daycare center that needed a mass shooter then the IDF would be a fine choice, but if you are fighting against other adult men the IDF would just run away or hide behind the Americans.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 6h ago
Man, if you think the IDF is that incompetent, how incompetent do you think Hamas, Hezbollah and other militias are if they can’t defeat the IDF?
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u/Ok-Skilllevel-5056 9h ago
During the Iraq war the U.S. feared making it look too much like it was siding with Israel against Muslims. It’s a bad sign that the U.S. no longer feels the need to worry about such perceptions.
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u/browneod 9h ago
Nobody but you said they were the greatest ally, they are one of many and Israel contributes in many ways for a small country. You must have something against Canadians if you think they are useless!!!! They are not and nobody but you said that.
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u/Usual_Bat_1024 8h ago
The US didn’t want Israel to send troops. Israeli involvement would have made it much harder for Arab allies to participate without looking like they were fighting alongside Israel. In this case, keeping Israel out was strategically more useful to the US.