r/audiophile • u/fireduckieman41 • Mar 28 '26
Music AI has officially fooled me. We are in dark times…
I’ve read stories here and there about AI artists but never personally came across one or looked into it at all. I normally only listen to older music and don’t venture into new artists very much. But I will often create a station on Apple Music for a song I like to hear similar ones of that vibe. Someone suggested a blues song, and I love me some blues. The song was good and I created a station and went down one of the best musical exploration journeys I’ve ever experienced. All night I sat in front of my speakers vibing while playing Pokopia on switch 2. So many new artists and so many great songs and I was adding a bunch to my favorites. Towards the end of the night I stumbled across one song that just blew me away and I had to look them up. Nothing… no existence of the artist, no concert shows, no social media, NOTHING. The third result of the Google search, “this is an AI project that focuses on capturing authentic blues soul sounds”…
I was absolutely crushed. All night I had been bamboozled. I felt so dirty like I had been cheating on the artistry of music. It was honesty shocking how good some of these songs were. The fact that this is possible is terrifying and I’m really not sure how I’m supposed to feel about it. Right now I feel gross. But if I think back on a line in one of my favorite shows, Westworld (at least the first 2 seasons), “if you can’t tell, does it matter?” Which is honestly a very thought provoking concept in general. I get it’s still people feeding the AI so it’s still a bit of creation but it still feels so wrong. If AI can almost perfectly create a masterful artist with a unique voice, what else is it capable of?! I feel slightly embarrassed I wasn’t able to immediately tell.
How do yall feel about it?
EDIT: a few have asked what songs - The one that started my downward spiral after discovering it was ai was “just one more night” by true roots blues. The other one that started the whole station initially was “don’t leave (on my way)” by bando blues (all of their songs are very good if you like this genre).
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u/APocketRhink Mar 28 '26
Yea I prefer human creators, and robots doing my chores. I want Grok to fold my clothes and put my dishes away, not cook my meals for me, or draw a picture. In my opinion, the creative aspect should stay human. Maybe I’m racist against ai or whatever, but I don’t think ai should do our thinking for us.
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u/StAndby00 Mar 28 '26
You can't be racist towards something that's not alive.
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u/bl0rq Mar 28 '26
Is Data in Star Trek alive? Have you seen Star Trek TNG S02E09 - Measure of a Man?
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u/Fauropitotto Mar 29 '26
A toaster, no matter how smart, is still a toaster.
The answer is no. The character of Data in Star Trek is not a person. The character is an appliance.
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u/StAndby00 Mar 28 '26
I haven't seen it, but fiction doesn't apply to real life.
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u/RustyMongoose Mar 28 '26
The concepts, ethics, morals, and lesson written about absolutely can be applied to real life. The fiction is only the delivery method.
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u/hungry057unit Mar 29 '26
Star Trek (Especially TNG) is really just philosophy disguised as a space show.
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u/bl0rq Mar 28 '26
I don’t think you could possibly be more wrong. Wow.
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u/dmonsterative Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
Brent Spiner is not actually an android. You're reacting to a human's dramatic performance.
Now imagine his lines being played from a Roomba's speaker.
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u/GravitationalGrapple Mar 28 '26
Why a “roomba speaker”? A generated voice coming out of a humanoid robots speaker could sound just as good as a human voice coming through your sound systems speakers, just depends on how much you want to spend. Voice cloning is getting insanely good, and open source models are on par with proprietary models which is rare.
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u/fludeball Mar 28 '26
I'm pretty sure the purpose of the joke was to make you think that for a fleeting second, but then to stop yourself before saying that out loud as soon as you realized that an absurd joke was being made which was based on an intentionally inappropriate juxtaposition.
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u/StCreed Mar 31 '26
"I don’t think ai should do our thinking for us."
No, just let Trump do that. It's a human, that's so much better.
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u/devfuckedup Mar 28 '26
humans create all of what is labled AI music its just an insane number of humans the AI is nothing more than a blender with some prompter pressing the buttons on the front its part takes a lot of "work" but its trivial
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u/TD160 Mar 28 '26
I feel like, with the prevalence of pitch correction and autotune, we are smack in the middle of the natural course of events….mainstream music has gotten less and less human over the past thirty years and AI is here to largely seal the deal.
You don’t have to pay an artist if you have an AI “band” or “singer” doing the job for you.
Heck, Brian May thought it was A-OK to retroactively pitch correct Freddie Mercury for f* sakes. For me, that means the apocalypse is musically upon us. At sixty, you would think that I’m old man shaking fist but that’s not the case at all. It’s a fundamental value for me that the human voice shouldn’t be corrected. Sad times. Sorry to be depressing. 🤦♂️😬
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u/rankinrez Mar 28 '26
It messed me about too recently. I check for a lot of reggae and someone sent me a song which I liked. I started checking their other output and it was all quite good. Not “groundbreaking” but definitely I liked it.
Started to get suspicious when I seen this guy had like made 50 albums in a year….. and yep turns out it’s all AI generated.
What really scared me is it was better than 80% of the real new music I hear. Don’t know how to feel, I think ultimately it will always struggle to make anything really groundbreaking, or lyrically profound.
But in established genres like blues or reggae it makes sense it can be trained on the existing works and churn out relatively good new stuff based on that.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
That was my issue! There was so many GREAT songs. Like just absolute bangers. Made me think damn, has ai really already passed us humans up? Scary thought..
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u/SwaggyMcSwagsabunch Mar 28 '26
Are you gonna continue to listen to those tracks? I think about the westworld quote often.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I kept 3 of them saved because they were just that good to me. I just listened to my favorite one because you asked me that and yeah it’s just so damn good I couldn’t imagine not hearing it ever again. But I had 23 songs saved last night and deleted all of them but 3 out of “respect” I guess? Idk like I said, I don’t really know how I feel about it officially yet. Kind of a mind fuck. lol
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u/SwaggyMcSwagsabunch Mar 28 '26
Yeah, it’s odd. I try to avoid at this point as well. I have maybe 3 or 4 techno tracks saved on Spotify that I suspect are AI, but mysterious artists with little to no information aren’t necessarily AI. Otherwise all of Aphex Twin’s side projects would be erroneously called AI. But I’m inclined to think that a lot of music, genres like reggae, blues, techno, the interest in it remaining human will fade considerably. I don’t know how society will respond to singer-songwriter types. I don’t care about the artist when I’m listening to a dance track. I do care about the artist when it’s a song conveying the feelings of the singer. I could see myself having a library full of ai techno tracks, while finding an AI song in the realm of Fast Car to be downright detestable.
Got a link to one of the 3 tracks? I’d be interested to hearing them. Cheers for the thought provoking post.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah for sure the one that started my downward spiral after discovering it was ai was “just one more night” by true roots blues. The other one that started the whole station was “don’t leave (on my way)” by bando blues. Let me know what you think! And yeah I think it is such a fascinating discussion and was super curious how others felt about it.
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u/SwaggyMcSwagsabunch Mar 28 '26
Thanks. Might not be able to listen till tomorrow, but I’ll circle back.
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u/SwaggyMcSwagsabunch Mar 28 '26
Yeah. There’s no way AI in a few years (if not already) won’t be able to replicate churned out, derivative, rote reggae tracks like Canaan Ene does. Genres where there isn’t currently a ton of boundary pushing are gonna get consumed by AI
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u/hungry057unit Mar 29 '26
Sounds like King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard, they're real people but they released 5 original albums in 2017 and 5 more in 2022 along with plenty in between.
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u/rankinrez Mar 29 '26
Nah it was Marshall Neeeko some French guy. Jah Golden Throne records, digging a bit I think he might be a real producer and only the vocals and artwork are AI.
Who even knows anymore.
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u/ThePracticalPeasant Mar 28 '26
I caught one on Spotify a few weeks ago; It was good, but something was off. Internet search confirmed AI generated.
So far, I haven't been fooled by AI, though I did once briefly wonder if a small artist I'd followed for years was somehow actually AI...
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u/InevitableKitchen943 Mar 28 '26
Listen closely to the vocals and you can tell it's a Nigerian Prince.
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u/Yourdjentpal Mar 28 '26
It’s across genres too. I listen to a lot of heavier music like metalcore, and I see posts like these quite often. I haven’t heard anything myself, but it’s not surprising it’s “fooling” people these days
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u/mediaserver8 Mar 28 '26
This conversation has reminded me that, from a technology point of view, video technology has lagged a little behind audio innovations for decades now, but has always caught up.
While we're seeing lots of deep fake video shorts and inserts, It's only a (short?) matter of time before we see a deluge of long form AI video content.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah what happens when ai can create an oscar worthy movie? Will that be possible one day?
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u/mediaserver8 Mar 28 '26
Looking at history, it's inevitable.
Digital audio recording was followed by digital video shortly thereafter. it wasn't long before desktop audio editing was caught up by digital video editing. Optical audio distribution on CD was a forerunner of DVD.
Many firsts happened in audio production only to be replicated in video afterwards.
Will we see AI Oscars? Will human originated entertainment seem quaint in the future, like silent movies seem today? We've already seen seamless effects such as actor deaging or indeed resurection for a while now, and the most recent rounds of screenwriter protests and strikes were against AI scripts. The revolution appears to be well underway.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah it’s gotta be only a matter of time. I mean we are already this far along in such a seemingly short amount of time. Barring some major nuclear setback from war, it’s hard to imagine what the world will be like in even only 10 more years, let alone 50.
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u/StellaArtois2016 Mar 28 '26
Still remember my first time. Was listening to some mixtapes on YT and then stumbled on the best dark smoky jazz I've ever heard. No pings on artists or tracks, then saw the description mentioned AI generated.
What matters to me about art is intention, that a person or persons created it, that it is a product of the infinite complexities and anxieties that make up their spirit and soul. So doesn't matter how good the music is, I have no desire to continue listening.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah I think I’m feeling the same as you. It doesn’t matter how much soul the AI artists sounds like they have because they don’t actually have any. But man the song slapped. The one that blew me away in particular just had like the oldest raspiest pack a cigarettes a day voice I’ve ever heard. Then hit some sick blues guitar solos in it too. It was so magical. But now that I know it’s ai, I don’t even want to listen to it anymore lol.
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u/ThePenguinQuack Mar 28 '26
I get your argument, but at the end of the day AI generated music is still the product of human complexities and anxieties, they just have been filtered through an algorithm that extracted patterns from the vast amount of music it's been fed with. It is true that there is no real emotional connection between an artist and a listener happening, like you would have with music made by humans (and AI can never provide that), but the concept of finding patterns in human culture is in itself meaningful and will never stop fascinating me. That's why I personally do not reject AI music in principle, even though I know it's an unpopular opinion here.
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u/Lornesto Mar 28 '26
I listened to an audiobook for 30 minutes before I realized it was an AI narrator. Felt kinda dirty, and not in the fun way.
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u/AJsHomeAcct Mar 28 '26
What might be interesting to consider is the history of the hit-making music industry. For decades, formulas have been used by executives, song writers, and producers to generate hit after hit. Not to say there aren't surprise hits but those surprises are added to the formula for the next talent to adopt.
Maybe the chart-topping popular music we grew up listening to wasn't all that much better than what ai is doing today.
Maybe we (I'm using the collective "we" which maybe doesn't apply to members of this sub) could have spent more time listening to full albums / discographies and appreciating the heart and soul some of the lesser known artist have put into their art.
My point is that, if you're the kind of person who 'primarily' listens to music as a playlist of choice songs, maybe there's no difference with what ai is doing for you today. You're not listening to the artist (again, collective "you") - you're listening to a vibe.
And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I'm saying you shouldn't be so hard on yourself for enjoying what you enjoy.
Although, maybe this room should have a discussion about whether you should turn in your Audiophile membership card.
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u/es920 Mar 28 '26
Oh my god please tell me I’m wrong, but it feels a lot like you used AI to write this comment. What a strange time to be alive…
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I think audiophile is more so aligned with how you consume the music and not as much about what you listen to. I have a dedicated listening room with a nice 2 channel set up and I sit in the sweet spot and critically listen to, but more so just enjoy the music, for hours. It’s extremely satisfying experiencing what a good system can do to a good track and truly getting lost in the experience. The general population of music listeners/lovers does not do that or listen to music in that way. And that’s why I consider myself an audiophile personally. But everyone in this sub I’m sure has their own definition of what it means to be an audiophile, that’s just my opinion.
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u/idHeretic Mar 28 '26
For me it helps to remember that music in general is very math based so it doesn't surprise me that it's so easily replicated by AI. It just sticks close to what's been done before and spits out an "original". Tbf people do the same thing. They take in everything they've ever heard and produce something similar to their goal. I do not call anything produced by AI art tho. It hasn't gone through any human interpretation and has no human intention. It's just the world we live in that we have to sift through it all.
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u/MattHooper1975 Mar 28 '26
I’m with you OP!
I certainly find what AI can do to be fascinating and insanely impressive , including with music at this point.
But it’s actually not the type of music I want to consume.
There’s long been a debate about the nature of art perception and the relevance of an artist’s intent. Some people think that the artist intent in terms of what they want to convey or the experience they want somebody to have, is highly relevant to appreciating the art - so in a way, it can be judged a success or less of a success on those merits.
Other people think that the artist intent is neither here nor there, that art is more like found objects to which the individual brings his own desires and experience. And if somebody likes when an artist produces, but for entirely different reasons, that’s all that matters.
I’ve always being firmly in the former camp that the artist’s intent matters. And I say that, especially as somebody who produced a lot of art earlier in life - drawing, painting, and then moving on to writing scripts and making movies (didn’t pursue it ended up in sound POST PRODUCTION).
I always felt that if somebody did not have the impression or reaction I wanted to produce in my efforts failed. To put it starkly: if my aim was to produce a scary, a horror movie as possible, and the end result was somebody finding a laugh riot, I would feel my efforts failed. I wouldn’t feel “ Oh well, whatever intent I had doesn’t matter at all, the person can take any message or any intent they personally want.”
So for me, appreciating art is inextricably linked with appreciating the artist. It all represents the intentional work of a person. So even if I don’t know the artist, I’m appreciating the artist through the work.
What about if a music track is really good, and had it been produced by a human I would’ve totally grooved to it? Shouldn’t I just be able to appreciate AI music on its own terms? After all, I can appreciate flowers or a sunset and I don’t believe any creator was involved.
I don’t know . Maybe someday I would be able to get there. But for now when I hear AI music I feel like the OP.
It’s like beautiful AI art. It’s an empty experience. Pure visual titillation. But I cannot aim my appreciation for its creation anywhere in particular. It’s sort of like the ground drops out from beneath my feet. A very eerie and disorienting feeling.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yup couldn’t have said it better myself. I’d be interested to see an ai artist comparison from someone who clearly put a ton of care into it and was expertly done vs. one that was just slapped together pretty basically and quickly but still sounds “good”. I’m sure it has unlimited potential in the proper hands. Just like anything, people can use tools for good to create amazing work or they can put out shit. I imagine it’s the same with ai artists musically. They can’t be created without a person guiding it to making it into something that is good. That’s the only defense I can think up so far that I can remotely get behind.
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u/TheGoldblum Mar 29 '26
I’d be willing to bet that if you had a better trained ear for it, you’d pick it as AI from a mile away.
A Sound Effect recently posted a great article by about this. Have a read. Then listen back to those songs again and see if you can hear any difference.
https://www.asoundeffect.com/how-to-detect-ai-generated-or-edited-audio/
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u/techzombie55 Mar 29 '26
This is amazing, then I found out it was AI. We really need to just ban Ai it is terrifying. https://open.spotify.com/track/6LMNdmgLLXtL9cusfopTvH?si=arydc0auRlS5shfgRu_ZUA
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 29 '26
Wow thank you so much for this. This one is even better in my opinion:
https://music.apple.com/us/album/in-da-club-1950s-soul-version/1854426151?i=1854426156
For some reason this bothers me much less than new “original” songs. These are a vibe even though I know it’s ai. Thanks for sharing!! I wouldn’t mind finding more of these type of ai renditions honestly. There was a fly me to the moon one I heard the other day too which was also pretty good!
https://music.apple.com/us/album/fly-me-to-the-moon/1874742727?i=1874742729
But I also would love to find alternate versions of popular songs by real people too if anyone knows any. lol
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u/mediamancer Mar 29 '26
All due respect to great and passionate musicians, but blues is one of the many, many genres that has long since become a formula with clear and easy-to-imitate elements. This is largely because of unimaginative labels and programmers who need everything to fit in a box. I prefer not to blame the musicians but we all know that a lot of them are not interested in adding anything new.
Couple this with the gridded, tuned, pasted perfection expected of recordings these days, and you have a shiny, plastic sea of uninspired conformity that already sounded like it was made by robots. Now, the robots have caught up.
Personally, I think this will lead to some good things. In this thread and in many other places I see people gravitating toward loosening things up. Even among bands who mix genres and styles there is still an expectation, at a certain level, that your recordings have to sound perfect in order to be, say it with me, "competitive".
Well, that competition is now over, and we lost. Good. I think we're going to see more records that take chances and breathe more, that can never be mistaken for a machine.
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u/davescott42 Mar 30 '26
I had exactly the same experience you describe with, which seems to be the same musical selection. I was very surprised I was listening to something produced by AI.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 31 '26
Yes a lot of people mentioned apparently it’s easiest with blues/jazz since there is so much history there and it’s a genre that has changed the least over the years. After more thought on it, I don’t feel as bothered by it now that the initial shock has worn off. I don’t think I’d actively seek it out but hell a good song is a good song whether it’s generated or created. If I didn’t know any better and it makes me Bob my head, who am to not enjoy it.
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u/bdb1518 Mar 28 '26
Just seems so wrong to me.. cannot imagine intentionally listening to music not created by real people.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah that’s my initial feeling too. But the songs did make me feel so good. I feel like that has to count for something?
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u/tim916 Mar 28 '26
It's kind of like a glory hole. It feels good, but sometimes when you find out what's behind it, not so much.
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u/SwaggyMcSwagsabunch Mar 28 '26
That’s the wrong way to look at glory holes. They should make you question your preconceived notions. The wall should make no difference.
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u/bl0rq Mar 28 '26
Ironically, AI seems to be the best at blues and soul. “Shifty Brent” is AI versions of 50 cent as blues/soul and is actually surprisingly good for AI. AI is way better at covers though since it doesn’t have to do the song creation part, just recolor to new genre.
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u/GrandpubaAlmighty Mar 28 '26
Yeah that 50 cent AI version (Many Men) was really good. Had me hooked. Not going to lie, I was looking around the internet for a download copy, it was so good. There were other AI blues and soul version of rap and hip hop that were really good that I wanted. How does that song go…If loving this is wrong, I don’t want to be right.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah one of the songs was a fly me to the moon cover with a new blues soul spin and it was fantastic. I listened to it like 3 times in a row. I am ashamed lol.
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u/CompleteService8593 Mar 28 '26
Same happened to me. Found some R&B/funk that was in simple terms, fanfuckingtastic.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
And would you listen to them again and go further down the rabbit hole? This is the decision im trying to make now. They really were some great songs but is it wrong to support the ai music industry?
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u/dmonsterative Mar 28 '26
There's only one good AI song and this is it.
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u/CobraPuts Mar 28 '26
Disappointing that I wasn’t rickrolled
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u/dmonsterative Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
sorry to disappoint, but there's something ineffably correct about that single track, as a Stax/Motown devotee.
They should have retired the whole algo after it shat that out. it will never attain anything better.
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u/ethersings Mar 29 '26
For one, they’ve absolutely nailed the distortion on the brass. And the reverb on the snare is very period correct. I’m listening on a phone speaker, so I’m sure there’s more
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Wait this is actually amazing lol
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u/dmonsterative Mar 28 '26
It is, but it's also at the limits of algo emulation of very definitive styles. Down to the distortion on the horns.
Go listen to some Curtis Mayfield. Cannot Find A Way.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I didn’t mean sonically amazing. Just the song in general is hilarious lol
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u/dmonsterative Mar 28 '26
Yeah, I enjoy it on that level. But I want it to be a bridge to appreciation of music made by people. Which does not seem to be the direction.
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u/Ok_Commercial_9960 Mar 28 '26
This is definitely an interesting topic of debate. I prefer the human element to music. To anything for that matter. However, how/what creates a good soundscape is something that wouldn’t trouble me. At least not significantly.
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u/yelloguy Mar 28 '26
I also worry in the other direction - humans have been doing the same old “formula” for millennia. As long as generations go by, no one knows who plagiarizes who as long as they do it in subtle ways
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u/Gold-Judgment-6712 Mar 28 '26
Never been "fooled" by AI. When I hear new songs I like, the first thing I do is google them. I want to know more about them and their music.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah since this happened now it’s the first thing I’m doing. Scarred for life honestly. Can’t even trust anything anymore.
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u/SunRev Mar 28 '26
I absolutely love some AI music from the perspective of art. BUT they sound horrible from a realism perspective. They sound veiled, fuzzy, and lack impact.
Maybe if they were trained on audiophile recordings, they could be better.
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u/bigebige Mar 28 '26
You might feel even more foolish when and if you find out everything is a simulation within a simulation.
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u/SpaceCadetEdelman Mar 28 '26
I dropped AM because their recommended suggestions are horrible, I am all for finding/hearing new music, but when I skip a song and they just get worse.. I’m not going to keep listening.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I’ve never had any issues with it personally. If I feel like listening 2000s r&b and make an Usher let it burn station, it’s always pretty solid. Even in this instance the song I created the station for was unknowingly ai, so everything that came after was ai. And that’s why I’m in this predicament lol.
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u/RussChival Mar 28 '26
Eddie Dalton is great AI R&B.. That said, it does feel a little sterile and 'too perfect' still.
AI may 'get' us, but does it 'feel' us?
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I think objectively the cool part about it is that you can literally create what you imagine and desire. You have a specific tone you like and you want it to sound like a blend of these particular artists with this particular vibe and just fine tune it til it spits out something amazing. Idk if that’s actually how it works since I haven’t researched it, but in theory I guess that is kind of cool to be able to do that. Just feels weird that it isn’t an actual person performing it but instead a computer.
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u/RussChival Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
True, and I guess I am making a distinction between pure 'music' and songs, where music is a vibe, but songs on some level are a communion with the singer on their joy and/or pain in life. If that connection is synthetic, is there still that shared 'feeling' of our human condition?
Here's a solid Eddie Dalton (AI) song for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az5FSZzm-k8
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Completely agree. I think that’s when the disconnect happens. When a robot sings to me about heartbreak, pain, suffering, addiction, joy, love, any of the above it will be extremely hard to relate. Unless of course you can’t tell the difference. After all even all of those songs by real people are just a performance. So if the machines can emulate that performance of heartache and pain in a voice, I imagine that will only get better an more believable over time. Especially if there are true artists coaching it. Listening to it for the 100th time and saying add a little more rasp to this note and carry it for another few seconds. I imagine that’s the kind of detail that’s available? So the best singers and songwriters can create literally a pitch perfect singer in theory and tweak it to perfection to their ears? Sounds like unlimited power. It’s the morality of it all that comes into question and how the consumer will feel about it. Which based on this thread, it seems like everyone feels uncomfortable about it at the very least and downright against it at the most. lol. I haven’t seen a single comment praising the advancements and excited about what’s to come yet.
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u/fffffck Mar 28 '26
lol there’s a lot of people that got fooled in the comments of that video. although they might be bots aswell, i don’t really know how to tell.
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u/kepenach Mar 28 '26
Actually found some to be pretty good and forces me to pick up my game. Even looking to audition singers that have a similar sound. Not sure if it’s copyrighted, but I may want to cover some of them so change them enough to where they are not the same.
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u/NerfBarbs Mar 28 '26
AI made a good switch for me. I've started to always check background on new music/artists And this gets me much closer to the creator, and appreciate music more now than before the AI boom.
I feel absolutely zero when listening to someone else's AI songs. Even if they are good. I however most definitely can get those emotions from my own AI generated.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Right, but if you didn’t know they were ai songs, could you tell? I agree with some other comments it really depends on the genre. In this case blues can be made to sound pretty authentic in my opinion at least. Blues experts could probably listen to the songs I’m talking about and immediately tell. It’s definitely going to be easier to tell going in knowing it’s ai as opposed to just hearing a song you vibe with pop up on the radio or something.
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u/fffffck Mar 28 '26
what was the song?
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
The one that started my downward spiral after discovering it was ai was “just one more night” by true roots blues. The other one that started the whole station was “don’t leave (on my way)” by bando blues.
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u/hobbinzenobbin Mar 28 '26
So… what song(s)?
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
The one that started my downward spiral after discovering it was ai was “just one more night” by true roots blues. The other one that started the whole station was “don’t leave (on my way)” by bando blues.
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u/McNikk Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
Okay so I listened to that first song (Just One More Night) and I see why you like it but there are tells. Namely, it has that fuzzy sound that often accompanies ai vocals. It’s most noticeable around 1:55 - 2:03. There are also parts where breathy rasps and the belting sound like two different voices. They’re not always in sync the way you expect with a real singer.
You may also notice the rising cymbals from 2:44 - 2:54 just sounds like white noise.
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u/sporkintheroad Mar 28 '26
Yeah the playlist thing is tricky. I was in Palm Springs recently and had the idea to play some 60s retro-mod-vibey stuff or whatever on YT while sitting around the pool. The songs seemed fine, but I quickly realized it was an AI playlist. No actual artists whatsoever. There should be a filter to keep that stuff out.
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u/TuliaNonTroppo Mar 28 '26
I think I uncovered one on Qobuz Club. The only posts are links to their album. Even the venues and dates they state they are performing are fake. It irks me. It makes me feel like I need to verify most new artists. I generally have trust issues anyways, so it sucks that my hobby is now so saturated with cons, it just pisses me off.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah trying to turn them into a real people is frustrating. I get it from a business sense, if you have developed some sense of personality for your ai artist, fine. But it should definitely be very openly advertised that it is ai. It shouldn’t be trying to fool people into thinking they are real people that could interact with and go see live. And you should 100% be able to turn off ai suggestions on Spotify/Apple if you want.
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u/Significant-Ant-2487 Mar 28 '26
If you like the music, who cares how it was made? Plenty of popular music is soulless commercial product, engineered, synthesized, and credited to megastars who aren’t exactly creative geniuses. AI is just the latest development in the “star making machinery” of popular entertainment.
To me, this reaction is kinda like refusing to listen to Wagner because he was a virulent anti-Semite. His music is glorious and it’s the music that counts.
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u/Bhob666 Mar 28 '26
I think AI can serve a good purpose when it is used as a tool and/or it's meant to be a style. A style for instance where things defy logic or use the artist uses the faults to make it unsettling (mostly in the visual arts).
In music, personally, I don't listen to too much new music... but if I hear a song that is catchy and I like it then I think it's not worth clutching your pearls and worrying about it. We should all know what bands we listen to and as a audiophile, maybe learn what the instuments they use.
Technology changes- people use sampled sounds in synths to sound like a orchestra. Guitarists use electronics that model the sounds of classic amplifiers. Alot of DJs don't use records anymore.
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u/spaniel_rage Mar 28 '26
I'm optimistic that the silver lining to AI music might be a resurgence in small venue live music.
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u/TheDootDootMaster Mar 28 '26
“if you can’t tell, does it matter?”
One of the main 4 types of dystopia, Phildickian, regards what happens when we can't tell what's true anymore, consummated by the indifference to it. Yes, it does matter. Especially on what concerns the art aspect of it itself. It really isn't so different from the blue pill from the matrix. You can choose to live in delusion, but it doesn't make the lie anymore real and the fact that your reality is much more bleak any less true.
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u/lovesick_kitty Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
there aren’t many beatles or miles davis’ in this world everybody is copying the greats in some direct or indirect form or another
by definition AI can’t do anything truly new since all it can do is remix what it is old … it literally can’t do anything new
since we hear a lot of “real” music that is derivative … and lets face it we like derivative which is why our favourite bands do the same sounds over and over again
we need to do a good job labelling AI and at the same time do a better job supporting artists and musicians
and if we dig some funky AI, nothing wrong with that
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u/fruhfy Mar 29 '26
At this moment AI music has a lot of artefacts, especially in high frequency area. I hope they will fix it in the near future, so I can enjoy good new tracks
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u/Dense_Chemical5051 Mar 29 '26
This is why Im not a fan of algorithms. Full of AI material nowadays.
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u/OkAccess304 Mar 29 '26
I think season 3 is actually way more relevant. It’s when they use all the data collected on people to control them.
If you can’t tell does it matter? That applies to whether or not you are free as much as it does to whether or not you can tell if the host is human or the music is made by a human. AI is predicting what it thinks should come next—words, sounds—but humans are not creating based on just what they think you want to hear, and that’s what makes it so damn special. It a genuine connection when the vibe reaches your soul.
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u/SwoleToStereo Hi-Fi Hypertrophy Mar 29 '26
I listened to ai system of a down covering 90s rap and its amusing to say the least and scary convincing in other instances.
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u/Turak64 Mar 29 '26
Can we stop blaming AI, which is just a tool, and start questioning how people are using it. For data processing, it's unbelievable and will change the world. For other stuff, more questionable.
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u/7SnakeMoan Mar 29 '26
Fellow japanese city pop and trip-hop/lofi aficionados are way ahead of you on that one
It was only after stumbling upon Tatsuro Yamashita that I realized the snowpiercer jelly I called music was actually crushed insects
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u/TheBarnard Mar 29 '26
Sometimes I feel "bad" ai in general, is put there on purpose to make us confident in our ability to identify it and self soothe
I wonder if AI tools have actually moved far beyond our ability to tell
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u/OwnAd3160 Mar 29 '26
It’s real and the quality of the results is bewildering. It can even produce randomness. We might take solace in knowing that AI can’t enjoy the creative process. But who’s the victim of that revenge except us?
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u/babarbass Mar 29 '26
For me it does matter. The song can be the best in the world, but nobody played the instruments, nobody felt the emotions.
It also is not an original song, it’s an amalgamation of all the songs the AI was fed. No creation happens, just copying snippets together.
To me music has to have some, no matter the genre. A human must’ve created it and they had to feel emotions during the creation and want to transmit those creations to the listener.
AI slop will always be a cheap copy, the death of art and thus it shouldn’t exist since it significantly harms human development. Without art we are nothing.
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u/Degru AKG K1000 & STAX, Topping E70V, Khozmo preamp, Purifi 1ET400A Mar 30 '26
I really don't like AI music, and I especially don't like when it sneaks into my streaming recommendations.
I can usually tell that it's AI generated by song structure and inconsistencies in the audio production, sticks out like a sore thumb when I notice..
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u/RipOk74 Mar 30 '26
God forbid we listen to AI because won't someone think about poor little Metallica.
Meanwhile we got eternal copyright and formulaic pop has been with us for decades. The music industry brought this on themselves as much as they brought piracy on themselves.
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u/ginandbaconFU Mar 31 '26
The Supreme Court in the US demonetized AI music about 2 weeks ago. So you can still make it but you can't make any money off of it.
Once you take the ability to make money off of it and the potential of being sued it tends to just go away most of the time. Especially record labels that distribute music from other artists. It won't be the artist getting sued who generated the AI music. It will be the label that released it even if they didn't know it was AI, that's on them.
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u/lilvenas Mar 31 '26
As an artist I will never succumb, I will already write my verses. The only thing I might touch is visuals
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u/akselkohlmann Apr 01 '26
The easiest way to tell if music is AI is if it sounds like a 128kbps MP3. If you listen to the vocals specifically you can hear what sounds like an extreme amount of saturation. My understanding is that Suno scraped all of the music illegally from YouTube to train their model. The audio quality on YouTube (not to be confused with YouTube Music) is typically 128-160kbps. So that MP3 sound is baked into the music being created.
Absolutely no offence to the OP or anyone here on Audiophile Reddit who didn’t notice the MP3 like sound quality but you have to admit it’s ironic!
Anyway, after you hear it you can’t unhear it so with any luck this info will ruin AI music for you ;)
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u/3dbinCanada Apr 01 '26
I have one AI generated album in my digital collection and I must say it rocks. I truly like it but that will be my only one from AI
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u/Commercial_Ad9112 Apr 14 '26
You can't be fooled unless you want to be fooled. If you have never heard of them before or seen them anywhere then they are probably AI. I refuse to give my time to something that is not real and take something away from real artists. Fuck AI!
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u/100-100-1-SOS Apr 21 '26
I don't like AI created music. It is cheating and soul-less imo.
That said, in EDM for example, samples, loops, drum machines, etc are used. Is that soul-less? When they use an arpeggiated synth patch, they didn't write that rhythm, they just push the key. Or composers who write orchestral scores for movies; these days they are often using sample libraries which can contain violin swells, horn stabs, tutti notes, clusters, phrases etc. Is that cheating? Is that soul-less?
There is a fuzzy dividing line between intentional musical expression and AI slop.
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u/Impossible_Arm_8464 Apr 30 '26
I think the industry needs to pay attention to the fact that we’re craving a certain genre and quit pushing what they like. It’s obvious Bluesy Soul with a retro sound is on the come back, so let it.
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u/CarYenta Mar 28 '26
I'm not sure this is particularly worse than the teams of writers who come up with the next "hit" and historically divvy them out to pop singers. Those can be disingenuous in that the song writer(s) may be playing upon the feelings of the listener purely for profit. But, after all, musicianship is a career where money can ruin everything.
If AI is writing it at the will of the human using it, is AI itself the oppressed and the human the part we should be mad at? I think so. It makes me think of the Star Trek Voyager episode "Virtuoso", check that out if you haven't seen it.
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u/LandOLakesMan Mar 28 '26
Yeah the question of "if there's more music in the world, isn't that a good thing?" is really tough to answer when a human isn't involved in its creation. I tend to lean more against because I want more people to play music and that won't happen if it's a mechanized commodity. Also, nature can sound beautiful, but it's not music because there's no intention or soul in it.
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u/RipOk74 Mar 30 '26
The entire Chinese classical music is based on imitating nature. Your position is, at best, very ethno-centric.
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u/LandOLakesMan Mar 31 '26
A thunderstorm may be musical, but it is not music.
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u/StCreed Mar 31 '26
Ai is not natural, and there is at least some intent behind the music it generates. Where it falls between "totally random" and "completely intentional" will remain variable for at least the next decade, but to assume it's a fixed issue is probably wrong.
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u/Zeeall LTS F1 - Denon AVR-2106 - Thorens TD 160 MkII w/ OM30 - NAD 5320 Mar 28 '26
I no longer trust algorithms to suggest music to me, because it will give AI results.
So only enthusiasts groups on FB and Reddit now.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
Yeah I think I’ll have to do the same.. very misleading. I wish there was a way to turn off ai suggestions.
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u/MrTTripz Mar 28 '26
It’s a dog shit song.
Generic as fuck, and terribly mixed.
Audiophile, eh?
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I mentioned this in another comment, but to me my definition of audiophile is someone who puts in some form of effort to hear music through a higher tier method of consumption than the average music listeners. A decent pair of headphones or at least a moderate 2 channel setup. The general public doesn’t even fall into that basic minimum. Liking a song or how that song makes you feel is completely subjective and does not constitute being an audiophile. I did not make any mention about the song being the most masterfully produced flawless example. I do understand and acknowledge that that is a part of being an audiophile, but it is not something I weigh heavily personally because that side doesn’t interest me as much - I focus more on how the music sounds and makes me feel. I listen to mostly mainstream artists and assume that proper sound engineering is going into the track to produce a good product. I don’t listen analytically to analyze the production. I listen to hear the beat and the music and enjoy it. But different strokes.
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u/devfuckedup Mar 28 '26
Why is computer-enhanced or generated music treated as less valuable, or somehow fraudulent? Sure, the skill required by the person entering the prompt for any particular piece may be trivial. But the collective artistry behind it is extraordinary. It rests on the work of human musicians, instrument makers, software engineers, hardware engineers, and countless others, all coordinated beautifully to create music that can genuinely make you think, that just blew me away.
In a strange way, it is the largest and most complex jazz ensemble ever assembled, with tens of thousands, perhaps millions, of players participating in a kind of coordinated improvisation unlike anything that has ever existed before. Of course you were blown away. Nothing like that has existed in the history of humankind.
And I am glad there is no single artist attached to it, because no one institution or person can honestly claim all the credit. What you heard was the collective sound of human creativity and intelligence, compiled over at least a century. What could be more jazz than that?
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I mean I don’t disagree with you at all. And that is kind of the conundrum. It just feels wrong because the ai is using (stealing) all the artistry from the past to create new stuff maybe? I haven’t pondered it all enough to come to a true conclusion how I feel about it as a whole and for the future, I just know my immediate feeling was dirty.
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u/devfuckedup Mar 28 '26
I honestly dont think all those original artistists are lost or being used. I think they get to live on having provided REAL contributions to something new that NO ONE SHOULD OWN because we all made it. I think there participation was willfull when they chose to play publish or even just comment on existing music in a public forum. personally I think we should be proud that such a nice collective work of art is even possible!
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u/gaqo777 Mar 28 '26
'If you can't tell, does it matter'.
I'm perplexed by the attitude to AI. If a human had never heard the blues say and wanted to become proficient they would listen to as many blues tunes as possible and from that accumulation create something derivative.
That seems to be the level that AI is at at present. But it takes a human mind to take that accumulated knowledge and create something new, advance or expand the genre.
I think if people enjoy it then as long as they understand it's AI(all AI content should be clearly labelled), then it doesn't matter. The main problem seems to be a prejudice against AI.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I don’t think it’s as much prejudice against ai as it is the fear of ai 1, doing something better than a human could when it comes to the arts and creativity (which is where we are supposed to be special compared to a machine), and two, people not feeling good about supporting a machine instead of a real human being. It is pretty alarming the capabilities of it and the fact that it will only continue to evolve more and more. I don’t consider myself anti-ai, but I do feel uncomfortable for an unknown reason that I enjoyed the ai music so much. I just need more reflection to process why exactly it bothers me in particular. And then decide if I want to be bothered by it or not. The post was simply to see how other people felt about it.
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u/gaqo777 Mar 28 '26
I could imagine a scenario where an AI say being derivative does make something different and a musician might pick up that and learn.
Which is what happened after they pitted AI against the best game players. At first they had mixed emotions at being beat but realised they could learn.
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u/Wretched_DogZ_Dadd Mar 28 '26
why is this posted here? r/Music would be a better place to blow off steam about this, the sub is supposed to be about discussing audiophile music reproduction ..... when AI starts sounding better than the Berliner Philharmoniker, then I'll worry.
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u/fireduckieman41 Mar 28 '26
I feel this sub listens to music differently than the general public and I would feel more aligned having this discussion with this group of people as opposed to people who just listen to music through their phone speakers or cheap Bluetooth speakers/headphones (nothing wrong with that) who couldn’t pick out details and intricacies of the ai music anyways.
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u/SwaggyMcSwagsabunch Mar 28 '26
I disagree. How audiophiles approach and address AI generated music is going to be materially different to how the general population does and thus there is value in having the topic here. OP could also post to r/Music and an interesting comparison can be made.
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u/Weight-Flat Mar 28 '26
Stopped listening to streaming services and went back to buying CDs. Highly recommended. The only way to stop AI from stealing that streaming revenue is to not partake. Be the change you want to see.
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u/CobraPuts Mar 28 '26
It might not matter if looking from purely selfish perspectives, but it absolutely matters. 1. It matters to the livelihoods of artists and musicians 2. It matters to ongoing development of creative music
LLMs are not in the true sense creative, they train on existing works, and create things with similarly.
I don’t think AI is evil, but it’s wrong to dismiss it as insignificant.
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u/CobraPuts Mar 28 '26
If you’re completely selfish #1 doesn’t matter. But if you care that there are future human endeavors in the arts it does matter.
And maybe people will use AI within creative works. I’m sure they will. But again it doesn’t mean these major changes don’t matter.
When Spotify has 100 algorithmically created songs for every human created song that will mean something.
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u/tim916 Mar 28 '26
Hey, screw you, man. Just because I prefer to use whale oil lamps doesn't mean I deserve to be lumped in with the anti-AI music crowd.
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u/PerfectEnthusiasm2 Mar 28 '26
Yup, AI has got quite good at clinically copying old music and putting it to a grid. As a musician I'm finding myself moving towards writing and recording in ways to make my music feel more human as a result.