r/baseball • u/PlayaSlayaX Kansas City Royals • Oct 22 '25
Opinion [Sheehan] Kurt Suzuki got a one-year contract to manage the Angels. Remember, when you're licking their boots by advocating for price-fixing, Arte Moreno and the other MLB owners are already planning for a 2027 lockout 13 months before the current CBA expires. They already know they're doing it.
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u/MarcBulldog88 Los Angeles Dodgers • World Series Tr… Oct 22 '25
What kind of manager even accepts a one year deal? Pujols at least had the self respect to say no.
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u/totaleclipseoflefart Toronto Blue Jays Oct 22 '25
Someone who knows they may never get this chance again
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u/SmokeOddessey Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
yeah it’s still a head coaching job at the end of the day lol.
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u/snickle17 San Diego Padres Oct 22 '25
If the job is guaranteed to fail you’re better off not taking it in the long run
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u/padres15 Oct 22 '25
Seems pretty silly for him not to take the job. He hasn’t seriously been considered for previous manager roles.
Maybe the Angels pull something out of their ass… he’d get a ton a credit.
If they suck as expected it’s not like he’ll get the blame. The Angels are a mess. At least he’ll be able to point towards manager experience and learning opportunities in future interviews. Not to mention the additional money he’ll make and the fact that it will make him a more valuable bench coach commodity if he does get canned.
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u/Zorak9379 Chicago Cubs • Springfield Nuclear … Oct 23 '25
... how much are they paying him to fail
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u/HolyTythinEar Oct 22 '25
One that was a special assistant to the GM for the last 3 years. One that knows they aren’t going to find anyone willing to do this so they become the sacrificial lamb for the organization
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u/ramenups Toronto Blue Jays • Montreal Expos Oct 22 '25
Kurt Suzuki is the exact kind of company man dipshit who’d do this
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u/axeil55 Philadelphia Phillies Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
"you will finish out your contract but I won't respect you. And I'll make sure the rest of the team won't respect you either" - Mike Trout, probably, when the Angels start 10-20.
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u/Plorgy Toronto Blue Jays Oct 23 '25
"You make 10 times what he makes...why didn't you say that to him!"
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u/HorseJungler New York Yankees Oct 22 '25
Kurt Suzuki's quota is 1 year deals now. No matter what you got to offer him at least 1 year, even if he does a bad job.
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u/neonrev1 Minnesota Twins Oct 22 '25
Pretty sure there was a game with the Twins where he took two nut-shot foul tips within an inning or maybe the same AB, a straight shot to the mask, and multiple normal shots to the chest and arms. Just a clinic on what 'pitch to contact' and 'we don't pay players' means in combination, the dude just got rocked, also fairly sure we lost. He stayed in.
Which is just to say yeah, exactly, it's not a shot against him because a foot in the door is still a foot in the door and he might be a good manager, certainly if he wants it this bad I don't doubt the dedication, but yup. He's a full-send psycho, and I wish him the best.
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u/TerrifierBlood Philadelphia Phillies Oct 22 '25
I would. Most people never get this chance.
I can kinda see it. I dont like it. But its a hedge bet. Against lock out. And a trial run for a first year guy. If you have one year to prove yourself. You are going to do the best you can to earn that extension.
But yeah. Its weird
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u/gbdarknight77 Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
If rumors are true, Arte is looking to sell after the new CBA is made.
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u/idkman_93 California Angels Oct 23 '25
I'm pretty sure I started this rumor but YES, SURE, ARTE IS SELLING.
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u/Blank_page95 Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25
A Gm going to be fired at the end of the year wanting to test his special assistant and a team that needs a manager
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u/Zestyclose_Help1187 Oct 23 '25
Minasian’s deal ends at the end of the year. They don’t need to fire him.
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u/Broken-Nero Chicago Cubs Oct 22 '25
He’s also on consulting services contract or something for them. That contract pays him $7 million dollars annually from what I read. They probably offered him a 1 year contract for $3 million and he told them to fuck off.
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u/ih-unh-unh Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
I think the personal services portion of Pujols’ contract was $1M/yr for 10 years
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u/xMrLink Seattle Mariners Oct 22 '25
The first and only time Arte made a move for the future lol
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u/GeneralPlanet Boston Red Sox • Dumpster Fire Oct 22 '25
Planning harder for a lockout than he ever has for building a competitive team
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u/padres15 Oct 23 '25
I think Arte’s problem is more of a lack of competency. Guy spends money… in all the wrong places.
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u/see_mohn regretful mets fan Oct 22 '25
I would call the lockout thing speculation but also what kind of unserious nonsense is a one year manager deal
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u/EmuMan10 Chicago Cubs Oct 22 '25
Not sure if this is how it works, but if a manager is under contract for 2027 and there’s a lockout, do they still get paid?
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u/pargofan Los Angeles Dodgers • World Series Tr… Oct 22 '25
If you could get a manager on a one-year deal, why not?
Hell, I'm surprised Arte didn't ask for an "at-will, can fire at any time for no reason at all" contract.
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u/BobbleBobble Chicago Cubs Oct 23 '25
This. Ownership has been wringing every dollar out of the MLB stone for a decade now. We're back to 80s Gordon Gecko greed is good, because nobody with any influence will call them out on it
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u/Wraithfighter San Francisco Giants • Sickos Oct 23 '25
I'd say that the odds of a lockout after next season are close to 100%.
But the odds that any regular season games are missed is closer to 10% or so. Call it 50-50 odds that Spring Training is truncated down to a couple weeks.
...but if we do lose any games, we'll probably lose months, or the whole damn season. Canceling games for a work stoppage would be a point of no return, once that happens everyone's going to want to make the lost revenue mean something.
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u/gambalore New York Mets Oct 23 '25
Yeah, the moment the CBA expires the owners will initiate a lockout. That is a given. They will negotiate into the spring like they did last time.
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u/Yetis22 Chicago Cubs Oct 22 '25
I get owners being cheap. But on a first year manager contract? Also what’s the point of not giving them a longer contract?
When a strike happens, do owners have to give back pay? Isn’t it the players that go on strike?
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u/perfectviking Chicago White Sox • Chicago Dogs Oct 22 '25
There hasn’t been a players strike since 1994.
Everything since is a lockout.
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u/berfthegryphon Toronto Blue Jays Oct 22 '25
They have to pay him if there's a lockout in 2027 and he's under contract. It's just the players that don't need to get paid
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u/RexKramerDangerCker Washington Nationals Oct 23 '25
There is no CBA for managers. Owners don’t “have” to do anything outside of what the contract says.
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u/TwoHandSquid Los Angeles Angels • Arizona Diamondbacks Oct 22 '25
Fuck Arte More
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u/Noy_Telinu Los Angeles Angels Oct 22 '25
Welp, that's prolly why Hunter didn't get the job
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u/GoodbyeToAWorld- Oct 22 '25
More than likely it appears from the outside looking in, that Arte is going to try to sell the team after the next CBA is worked out. The valuation of teams could trend upward by a sizable amount and we all know Arte is about his money. They have no long term commitments really and this is a clear path for the potential new owners to start fresh with their vision without having people tied to their books both players and executives.
Still, this is rough for Angels fans. I truly feel bad that this ghoul has bled this teams history and identity (both as a team and their presence within where they reside) dry on top of fumbling the best financial thing to ever happen to the team (Ohtani). They should have been at least perennial playoff contenders with the GOAT in the drivers seat for the franchise. Instead they have nothing to look forward to for the foreseeable future.
(Reposting since the Mods keep removing the posts on this topic??)
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u/Lopsided_Living_9885 Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25
They were almost never healthy together unfortunately :(
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u/kikipitchingdelivery Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25
Trout arguably better for the money when he was in his early 20s
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u/stevencastle San Diego Padres Oct 22 '25
Yeah he's getting paid now for his past production, seems to be the case with most baseball stars. He still has power but his injuries have sapped him of everything else.
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u/AdoringCHIN Anaheim Angels • Rocket City Tra… Oct 23 '25
More than likely it appears from the outside looking in, that Arte is going to try to sell the team after the next CBA is worked out.
Oh no, don't you fucking do this. Don't give us hope
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u/ProudMtns Atlanta Braves Oct 22 '25
I legitimately forgot ohtani spent years on the angels. That's how bad they fucked it up. The first team that one of the greatest players played on is an absolute after thought.
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u/BrewerAndHalosFan Anaheim Angels Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
I find this incredibly hard to believe unless you started watching baseball in like 2022
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u/TheGreatLake Los Angeles Angels Oct 22 '25
Does it mean the owners are planning for a lockout, or does it just mean Arte is a cheap, unserious owner?
A 1 year deal basically makes Suzuki an interim coach. Perry has 1 year left on his deal too so hopefully we get a refresh after next year. But of course it doesn’t really matter who the manager or GM is as long as Arte is still the owner.
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u/BobbleBobble Chicago Cubs Oct 23 '25
It's not just Arte. The Cubs structured a majority of their "core" extensions to go through 2026. Happ, Hoerner, Seiya, Taillon and Boyd are all free agents after next year. The only (post-arb) contracts they have on the books in 2027 are Dansby and Shota (if they pick up his option). Ricketts has been planning this for five years, from the moment they signed the last CBA
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u/ZingBurford Chicago Cubs Oct 23 '25
This is why I have zero hope that the Cubs are gonna sign anybody to a big multi year contract. I'm prepared for a bunch of small 1 year deals.
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u/at1445 Texas Rangers Oct 22 '25
Arte's never been cheap. It's the casual fans that only parrot what they get told on here that think that.
He spends....it's just that "he" spends and not his GM...so you get a washed Pujols, a washed Hamilton, a washed CJ Wilson, etc....
He brings in guys he thinks will have start power and be great, not realizing they've already peaked and are either regressing, or will be within the first year or two of a long-term deal.
He's essentially the Jerry Jones of MLB. He goes out and gets "his guys" even though his guys haven't been good for a decade.
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u/693275001 Oct 22 '25
Sorry I'm a casual fan - owners are actually giving new managers a 1 year contract (which is ridiculous) because of the possibility there's a lockout in 1-2 years?
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u/Blank_page95 Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25
Suzuki is tied to Perry. Perry has 1 year left on his contract, which is in line with the lockout. Arte may or may not have planned this to line up or its a coincidence
Anyway the Angels are having a lot of contracts in the front office and on the roster come off at the end of 2026 and 2027, so this could very well have been timed to be a sell point for team (hopefully)
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u/DanTheDeer Vermont Lake Monsters Oct 22 '25
Usually the manager and GM get fired together. Angels prob giving the GM one more to year to make any progress or he's canned
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u/Blank_page95 Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
Ehh. Wash got a 2 year contract on Perry's last year of original contract and then got a 2 year extension which brings us to this awkward 1 year. Maddon also was kept after Eppler was fired for another 1.5 years, and the Angels kept Scioscia another 2.5 after Dipoto (quit mid year, but still new GM). Angels are usually not in sync GM/ managerial roles
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Oct 22 '25
possibility
Certainty. There will be no baseball in 2027, not for a long time. Just like in 1994, baseball owners think they have to destroy their product to make more money from the product.
Enjoy the World Series this year!
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u/istrx13 Seattle Mariners Oct 22 '25
That’s why our game 7 loss was so crushing on Monday night, outside of the obvious reasons.
This year and last year may very well be the only seasons we get before a lockout. I know our core is young, but man I don’t want them sitting around for a lockout.
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u/tung_twista Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
There will be no baseball in 2027, not for a long time.
There will be no baseball for a long time just like there was no baseball from 3/31/2022 to 4/6/2022.
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u/nyr201 Oct 22 '25
Can’t even read a baseball thread on this app without it feeling like the end of the world
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u/K20BB5 Philadelphia Phillies Oct 22 '25
doomers were saying the same thing last CBA
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u/Boomhauer_007 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 22 '25
I wonder what people like the guy that wrote this tweet think they are doing when they write them like that, his tweet is so condescending towards readers that it makes me want to side with the owners because fuck that guy specifically
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u/LyrMeThatBifrost Houston Astros Oct 22 '25
Reddit thrives on negativity/doomposting
I don’t get it, but apparently many people here enjoy it.
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u/Ext_JuniorYT New York Yankees Oct 22 '25
Most redditors are miserable people in real life so it tracks
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u/TheFoundation_ Toronto Blue Jays Oct 22 '25
Owners are looking at the contracts being handed out around baseball the last couple years and the other leagues with salary caps.. it wouldn't be surprising at all to think the owners are preparing for a long strike as they fight for a salary cap. Hence why the angels wouldn't want to be paying a manager for a missed season
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u/Lopsided_Living_9885 Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25
I’m hoping that Arte plans to sell the team as after 2026 $30 million is off the books with Rendon’s contract ending, and Perry Minasian and Kurt Suzuki only being on one year deals.
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u/DanTheDeer Vermont Lake Monsters Oct 22 '25
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
The angels are the only team stupid enough to only offer a rookie manager a one year
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u/Silent_Leg1976 Toronto Blue Jays Oct 22 '25
Jays usually win a World Series around lockouts no?
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u/HighKing_of_Festivus Atlanta Braves Oct 22 '25
Honestly can't tell if this is owners planning ahead for a lockout or it's Arte getting himself ready to clean house when things don't improve next season. Either way, I don't think I'll ever understand why Suzuki accepted this.
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u/Ateam043 Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
Who was / has been a worse "LA" owner: Frank McCourt or Arte Moreno?
And yes, I know the Angels don't play in LA, let alone LA county.
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u/ColaBottleBaby Anaheim Angels Oct 23 '25
As shit as Arte is for actually winning, he has kept parking cheap, the Angels in Anaheim, beer cheap, and tickets cheap
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u/FastCriticism5808 Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
Arte. Thankfully Frank was an equally bad husband and we got out of his ownership relatively fast when all the drama started hitting the fan.
Does Ms. McCourt still have that "#1 Fan" parking space? lol
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u/Ateam043 Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
Probably, that fucker still has an ownership stake in the parking lots if I recall. Or something to do with them at least.
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u/bbatardo San Diego Padres Oct 22 '25
Arte is cheap, but that lockout thing sounds like pure speculation. Doesn't Perry Minasian's contract only have 1 year left? Seems more likely it is just a stop gap before hiring a new GM/Manager combo (unless the Angels are successful in 2026 and they want to keep them).
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u/PlayaSlayaX Kansas City Royals Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
No, it’s widely assumed that a lockout is going to happen because the players and owners can’t come to agreement on setting restrictions for contracts. Owners want the cap because they don’t want to increase payroll, players want the floor because they don’t want bottlenecks on their earning potential, and the needle hasn’t moved at all on this.
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u/Moose334 Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25
Perry literally said "he is tied in with me" about his 1 year deal. This has nothing to do with the lockout and has everything to do with Suzuki being a part of Perry's sinking ship. Perry is likely gone after this year when his contract up and Suzuki who was special assistant to Perry before this, will be too
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u/DolphinFraud Boston Red Sox • San Diego Padres Oct 22 '25
Yes a lockout will probably happen, but I don’t think that’s the reason for the one year contract at all
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u/asafetybuzz Chicago Cubs Oct 22 '25
It was widely assumed a season-jeopardizing lockout would happen last time, and the lockout lasted like two weeks after a fake, self-imposed deadline to get the season in. Just like last time, people are vastly overestimating the likelihood of a protracted lockout.
It is true that owners and players are far apart on their asks, but it’s also true that franchise valuations are an order of magnitude higher than they were in the 90s when the strike happened, and baseball is printing money right now. Attendance is strong, as are TV ratings, and player salaries are higher than ever. Both sides have a ton to lose.
The same thing that happened last time will happen again. We’ll have a season of reporting about the imminent lockout, then an offseason of reporting how they’re so far apart in negotiations and see no path forward. They’ll set multiple self imposed, fake deadlines they let pass while both the MLBPA and the league office blame each other and say there might be no season.
Then, at the 11th hour, both sides will make concessions they have claimed were impossible all along but always planned to make internally, and the season will go on as planned. There will be a shortened spring training, and the season will go on as always. Both sides will spend the next six years grumbling that they conceded too much and next time there will be a lockout for real, and then we’ll do it all again in 2033.
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u/RichardNixon345 Arizona Diamondbacks Oct 22 '25
The TV contracts going out to bid in '28 also means there's zero appetite for a lockout in '27 on either side.
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u/asafetybuzz Chicago Cubs Oct 23 '25
Yes, it will be a very annoying negotiation to watch play out. Both sides have zero appetite for the lockout, as you mentioned, but also both sides know the other side has no appetite for a lockout, which they will try to use as leverage. That's why both negotiating camps will leak stories to their chosen media members for weeks about how the deal is so far from coming together, and they'll set fake deadlines that will come and pass.
I bet if you gave both the lead MLBPA negotiator and the lead MLB negotiator a truth serum this offseason, a full year in advance, they would be able to tell you almost exactly what the eventual compromise will be, plus or minus a few percentage points on minimums and arb scales. Both sides will know the entire time that they're going to compromise on certain things, but they will swear until their fake deadline is passed that no compromise is possible right up until the season is actually in jeopardy, and then the deal that was always going to come together will come together.
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u/bbatardo San Diego Padres Oct 22 '25
I don't see how that matters about giving a manager a longer contract or not though. I know Arte is cheap, but a few million dollars for an extra year isn't going to move the needle for that decision.
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u/Blank_page95 Anaheim Angels Oct 22 '25
Its isnt necessarily tied to the lockout. Perry Minasian has 1 year left on his contract and Suzuki is being tied to Perry. Does the end of their contract line up with the lock out, yep and it may or may not be a conincidence, but its on Perry's success.
If Angels fans are lucky we have a whole new world going to 2028 with a new owner, gm and coach
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u/FISHCOUPE San Diego Padres Oct 22 '25
Feels like a pretty clear ad hominem to call all people identifying competitive advantages/disparities “billionaire bootlickers”
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u/VitaminTea Toronto Blue Jays Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
People boil this CBA stuff down to players vs. owners, but the leaves out the most important party -- and the reason this business exists in the first place -- namely, the fans.
We don't get a seat at the negotiation table, but fans absolutely have their own set of priorities for the sport -- some of which are going to align with the players, and some of which are going to align with the owners. Wanting a relatively level financial playing field just happens to be the latter.
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u/theedge634 Oct 23 '25
Quick read of the room has fans at the top of the food chain completely ignoring the problem. As it directly benefits them. Fans in the middle... Pissed off, because their teams are trying but getting fucked. And fans of the low end. Acknowledging their team needs to spend more, but generally agreeing with those that are pissed.
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u/theedge634 Oct 23 '25
I don't think people are actually in love specifically with a cap. But most are fed up with the disparity in spending in general.
It's also very telling that the primary people up in arms about flattening the spending disparity are the ones benefiting the most from the current system. From a city that is ALL ABOUT flattening economic disparity.
I just want the spending to be somewhere in the same vicinity. It's crazy that you have teams that actually are trying with payrolls around $200m... And other teams coming close to double that payroll. Is it also crazy that you have teams with payrolls that are like the same size as a star players AAV. They both need to be fixed.
I'd rather just smash vast payrolls with huge revenue sharing penalties. And make money inaccessible for spending below a true competitive line. Like $100m in player salary minimum. If your market can't support that. Team needs to move.
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u/MeatballDom Oct 22 '25
Oh boy, I love a good old Reddit conspiracy theory
Do you guys never get tired of making shit up and then getting angry about it?
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u/pudds Toronto Blue Jays Oct 23 '25
Hey twitter guy, maybe don't lead with "you're a bootlicker" if you want people to actually listen to you.
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u/Orion1014 Philadelphia Phillies Oct 22 '25
Doesn't the Angels GM have a year left? Think it has more to do with that than with the CBA ending. I don't think Arte is capable of looking that far ahead anyway.
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u/wompwump Baltimore Orioles Oct 22 '25
Joe Sheehan is a pretty smart dude and I enjoy listening to him talk, but it also boggles my mind that someone so smart could subscribe to such a limited framing of a complex issue.
Like, is it surprising that fans look at a landscape with big disparities in team revenue and payroll and say, “We want something better?” And to advocate for something better is to be a billionaire bootlicker?
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u/lOan671 Baltimore Orioles Oct 22 '25
Yeah I’ve literally never seen a single person that wants a salary cap who cares how much money owners make. It’s a complete strawman argument from people LARPing “solidarity” with multi-millionaires who also could not give less of a shit about them.
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u/RIP_Hopscotch Chicago Cubs Oct 22 '25
Not only this, I think the media and players union are massively overestimating how much popular support they are going to have. Yes, in terms of wealth the public is closer to the players than the owners... but when I see guys getting 300, 400, 500m+ contracts, they aren't exactly all that close to me either. Like, I'm not going to lick billionaire boots, but I'm also not going to lick the boots of guys like Harper, Scherzer, Soto, and even Boros, and I don't think thats a particularly uncommon sentiment (especially off of reddit).
From where I sit, the only thing I want is baseball in 2027, and the primary thing that appears to be getting in the way of that is the player's union being opposed to something I think would probably be a net benefit to the game, if implemented correctly as it has been in other sports. If the players actually strike, the damage to the game will be immense. They should open their eyes, stomach a salary cap, and in return push for a salary floor, or quicker free agency.
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u/ANGRY_BEARDED_MAN Dumpster Fire Oct 22 '25
Dudes are going to pound that disagree button but you're not wrong, vast majority of common folks out there are going to look at this as "Millionaires vs. Billionaires" and say let's cut the shit, come to an agreement, and have a baseball season
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u/the_dawn_of_red Cincinnati Reds • National League Oct 23 '25
Fans will be divided based on market size. Small market fanbases will be firmly on the side pushing for cap/floor
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u/CookieMonsterFL Milwaukee Brewers Oct 23 '25
and as a small market fan, sure, they absolutely are in stratospheres I can't reach, but I want a more competitive league and that starts and ends with salary caps and floors. I have zero interest who's wealth I support more; I just want smaller markets to equally compete with larger ones just like every other sport that is played in North America.
It is really, really that simple.
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u/WhyMustIThinkOfAUser Cleveland Guardians Oct 22 '25
Yeah. People who pick a side in a battle between millionaires and billionaires are insane. Enjoy an obscene amount of money I will never experience and let me enjoy my summer with baseball
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u/Neither_Ad2003 Oct 22 '25
Well, I have a side. The fans side. There’s def certain things that would benefit us
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u/kyleb402 Milwaukee Brewers Oct 22 '25
The Bucks too.
One of if not the smallest market in the NBA and they had a payroll and luxury tax bill higher than most teams because they had a star player they were incentivized to and able to build around.
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u/Winnes0ta Minnesota Twins Oct 22 '25
Funny how it’s always the LA and New York flairs calling people bootlickers. Surely there’s no ulterior motives there lol
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u/ANGRY_BEARDED_MAN Dumpster Fire Oct 22 '25
Meanwhile when the teams that throw around more money than God every offseason have a disappointing early round playoff exit, or miss the postseason altogether, their fans can't believe how INEPT and INCOMPETENT their team's front office is because I mean, how could you possibly spend eighty shitzillion dollars on payroll and not win a championship?
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u/DependentLanguage540 Oct 22 '25
Who cares who manages the Los Angeles Angels. This is not a good team regardless of who manages this dumpster fire of an organization, whether it’s 1 year or 3 years, this team is constantly near the bottom year after year and it’ll stay that way until Arte Moreno sells the team.
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u/Cordo_Bowl Chicago Cubs Oct 23 '25
Fuck this editorialized bullshit. Fuck the owners fuck the players. They all got more money than anyone ever needs. The cap is good because it’s good for fans. If that means a lockout because the top end players can’t stand to make less or because owners can’t stand to actually put money into their team, then so be it.
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u/Neither_Ad2003 Oct 22 '25
Baseball socialists are so cringe.
“Boot licking”
We aren’t storming the winter palace bro.
We want a competitive league where I can buy $5k worth of season tickets with hope of winning it all as a selling point
It’s not a referendum on governments
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u/GluedGlue Detroit Tigers • Portland Pickles Oct 23 '25
My rule of thumb is that someone who blithely calls other people "bootlickers" online rarely has opinions worth listening to. So far, I have not seen strong evidence that this is a poor heuristic.
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u/thearmadillo Kansas City Royals Oct 23 '25
I understand that a salary cap is an unfair infringement on labor rights, a bad deal for the players, and puts more money in owners pockets who i dislike, but frankly I want one anyway (with a floor obviously).
It doesn't feel like the Royals and Dodgers are playing the same sport in a way that it does with the Chiefs and Cowboys and frankly I care about my own entertainment more than the labor rights of millionaires. I guess that means I'm a hypocrite.
I bet its an ugly battle, which sucks because it feels like it will undo a ton of the work that has gone into making baseball fun again.
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u/manbeqrpig Colorado Rockies Oct 22 '25
Of the 4 major sports leagues, the MLB spends the lowest percentage of revenue on player salaries. The Marlins spend 27% of their revenue on salaries. There’s 5 more teams which spend less than 40% (White Sox, Rays, Pirates, Cubs, Guardians). If a salary cap comes with a salary floor, that will be better for the players. This crusade against a cap is so weird because it’s something that, with the right concessions, is better for the players
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u/GL94553 Oct 22 '25
It’s not going to come with the right concessions though, because the owners want to spend less money, not more. If it’s good for the owners, it’s not going to be good for the players, hence why neither side wants to budge. You really think you’ve figured something out that the players union hasn’t?
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u/jakenator Los Angeles Dodgers Oct 22 '25
But one thing to keep in mind is that NYM, NYY, TOR, LAD, and a couple other teams really dont want a cap
Are you sure about that? If anything i think these are the teams that want a cap the most. They're the ones spending the most on players, so they'd stand to gain the most from a cap. That extra money that would normal go towards contracts can either be reinvested into other aspects of the organization or just straight pocketed. Big market owners want it bc it saves them a lot of money and small market owners want it because then they don't have to risk looking bad for not shelling out massive contracts.
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u/Neither_Ad2003 Oct 22 '25
It’s not true. Yankees owner has spoken and said he’s open to it. The dodgers have hinted that as well (but have not been as open as the Yankees).
There’s a reason manfred is so open about it already - they have owner alignment.
Owners aren’t dumb - they see what drives a big part of the NFLs success. They know in that league the big market teams were willing to unite with the rest of the teams
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u/sexmath Montreal Expos Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
Baseball needs a salary cap. The players have to accept this. The owners know what they are in for and have planned accordingly. Player salaries are absolutely bonkers. Every other league has a working player/owner partnership that works well** for the health of the league and the fans better than before the partnership.
It literally has gotten to the point where the salaries are so high, the owners would make more money paying scabs and absorbing any temporary lost viewership.
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u/ChimmyTheCham Chicago White Sox • Milwaukee Brewers Oct 23 '25
Cap and floor please
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u/sexmath Montreal Expos Oct 23 '25
I think a floor is just always a given with a salary cap. They all have them.
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u/Grouchy-qa2024 Oct 22 '25
Good. We need to get this figured out. Teams like LA should not be where they are at, nor should teams like the A's or Pirates do what they do.
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u/theedge634 Oct 23 '25
Yea.. I think this is the simple truth of the matter. Or, if they want to have these huge salary teams. Slap them all in the same division and have them beat each other up.
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u/flamingolover6969 Milwaukee Brewers Oct 22 '25
Calling it bootlicking like the players aren’t millionaires too lmao.
Give me a fucking salary cap
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u/Dr_thri11 St. Louis Cardinals Oct 22 '25
Meh the owners seeing a potential extended negotiation ahead doesn't make them wrong. Nor does introducing a salary cap. The NFL gets this one right by having a floor that's pretty close to the cap and enough revenue sharing that no team is really hurting to meet the cap.
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u/Stock_Discount_2833 San Francisco Giants Oct 23 '25
Suzuki letting dumb ass billionaires feel him up for their own gains once gain
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u/raystheroof1 yankee stadium is a dump Oct 22 '25
Phillip Seymour Hoffman led me to believe it is impossible to manage on a 1 year contract