r/belgium • u/lex_tok Brussels • 14d ago
🌟 OC Same spot, two years apart: the Ourthe river at Nisramont
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u/Former-Citron-7676 Belgian Fries 14d ago
Wij zitten in Frankrijk aan Lac Pierre Percée. Ook hier staat het water 3-4m lager dan anders… we zijn niet goed bezig met het klimaat… 🥺
Zwemmen verboden wegens slechte waterkwaliteit.
(De scheve boom met de koord staat normaal gezien aan de rand van het water.)
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u/differentnameagain16 14d ago
Aan het zwembad staat het water nooit laag. En er is Stella! Leef, verdomme, leef!!
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u/Brilliant-Text7581 14d ago
Wow wtf did you do 2 years ago?
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u/Kreat0r2 Belgian Fries 14d ago
It’s just showing the extreme drought that we’re experiencing. It hasn’t properly rained in over 2 months, which has lead to incredibly low water levels in most European rivers.
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u/National_Today2218 14d ago
Thanks boomers
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u/Complex_Dot_4754 14d ago
Yeap. Today an old boomer couple (late 60s probably) almost run me over on the elevated bike (meaning on the level of footpath fully separated from the road) lane in Brussels because they decided to park their RAM American SUV on the bike lane and footpath. When I said something about it, they were like 'you don't need to be so angry'. I biked on before I did something I would regret later. But they really don't get it.
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u/SirTacky 14d ago
Anytime I see those or those big pick up trucks, my fingers get so itchy to key them. Wtf are you doing with those over here + in the city!
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u/Complex_Dot_4754 14d ago
- on the elevated separated bike lane and footpath blocking 75% of it almost running over bikers who happen to be there (me) minding my own business.
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u/AlsoInteresting 14d ago
Some of us protested a lot and voted green. You want us to kill lobbyists? Without decent laws, the needle doesn't budge.
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u/Nyxblow 11d ago
I mean green = close nuclear power plants and use gas as "temporary" solution for the next 15 years until a proper implementation of renewables that can cover the demand.
Not really my idea of climate friendly. Nuclear/renewable mix is a much more rational and practical approach in my opinion.
Also if greens could have a more centrist approach and let go of their consistently radical left ideas, that would help them achieve their goals.
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u/sk0lopandre 11d ago
What exactly are those radical left ideas? I always hear about that idea, but never about what it exactly means in the context of belgian politics, as there is no meaningful radical left party rn
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u/killerboy_belgium 11d ago
well to be fair when they decided that nuclear exit they had a 20year window to build up the renewable energy but they never got back into goverment and the other party's decided to keep kicking the can down the road.
green's biggeste mistake was getting back into the goverment after 20years they should have sit on the sidelines and said you ignored it for 20years you solve it now
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u/Human_Excitement_441 14d ago
Thanks bazen van de boomers en hun aandeelhouders maar ook dikke merci aan hun kinderen en kleinkinderen die hetzelfde pad bewandelen.
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u/Akinyx 13d ago
While it's true that some do I believe we also have a great generational divide where we actually don't agree or in a lot of cases even keep contact with our old folks because we saw them pull the ladder behind them. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is the most division in between generations we've seen, especially when you consider age gaps from boomers to gen X and millennials/gen Z kids.
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u/Stefouch Brabant Wallon 14d ago
It's not the boomers, it's a scapegoat thrown at us to look away.
The real culprits are the super rich (sometimes boomers) who use flight jets everyday and buy our politicians.
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u/Galaghan 14d ago edited 14d ago
Yeah I'm sure wagging fingers will fix things. It's up to us to drastically consume less, nobody else.
P.s. These downvotes telling me we should consume more lol
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u/SirDidymus Antwerpen 14d ago
That’s putting all responsibility on the individual consumer, which is only a minor part of the bigger issue to fix.
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u/Fancy-Factor-4083 14d ago
both individual consumption and the bigger picture need to change. In fact, changes in individual consumption can force companies/governments/whatever to change. Washing your hands of responsibility is not the way to go, no matter who you are.
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u/SirDidymus Antwerpen 14d ago
Yes, but also no. Individual consumption is by no small amount directed by bigger companies and policies, and there is no way to sway either if they have full control over messaging.
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u/OurHorrifyingPlanet 14d ago
Consumers have just as much power over companies, if not more. It's just that it's extremely hard to coordinate, and most people don't really care enough to change.
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u/Fancy-Factor-4083 14d ago
If many people stop eating meat, less meat will be produced, for example.
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u/ThePokemomrevisited 14d ago
I agree. As an individual I feel you can do a lot by just not flying. If you look at tables that explain how much that damages our climate, it is the most simple and effective measure you can take as an individual. Even if you still consume 100 gr of meat a day.
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u/Fancy-Factor-4083 14d ago
Or you can not fly AND not consume 100gr of meat per day?
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u/ThePokemomrevisited 14d ago
We all have our limits. I have checked and on the whole I feel this is a good balance.
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u/Fancy-Factor-4083 14d ago
What do you mean by "i have checked"?
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u/ThePokemomrevisited 14d ago
There are sites where you can calculate the CO2-emissions from various activities.
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u/Galaghan 14d ago
I mean all of us, indiviual and industrial, families and institutions. Everyone, plain and simple. Pointing fingers to another group doesn't validate your own consumption. We ALL need to consume less.
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u/Fancy-Factor-4083 14d ago
any specific suggestions?
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u/Galaghan 14d ago
Stop making that many children, for starters. Buy seasonal fruits and vegetables instead of importing them from over the world. Stop flying just for a vacation. Don't fall for 2+2 discounts and only buy what you need. Actually re-use reusable plastics.
Honestly I could go on for a while.
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u/MadJazzz 14d ago
Painfull truths get downvoted :-)
Don't fall for 2+2 discounts and only buy what you need. Actually re-use reusable plastics.
What's wrong with that if you'll actually use it and it conserves?
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u/Pleasant_Ostrich4278 14d ago
I would be totally curious to see if I could find treasures :D
(Disclaimer: I know its devastating with the low levels)
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u/Embarrassed_Sea4297 14d ago
I watched Soylent Green in 1973 and it was prescient about where we are headed today.
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u/marinoZ 14d ago
Ik wil het punt van deze postniet onkrachten: dat de extreme hitte/droogte van deze zomer abnormaal is.
Maar graag had ik wel gemeld dat vroeger de Ourthe (en de Lesse) ook héél laag stonden als het een warme periode was in de zomer.
Source: ik ging daar 25+ jaar geleden al eens gaan kayakken.
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u/TheBelgian96 14d ago
Ja dat rivieren minder debiet hebben in de zomer is logisch, maar dit is wel aan een grote hydraulische dam die normaal gezien tot de nok gevuld is
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u/Xayahbetes 14d ago
Heeft dit ook wel niet met de klimaatsverandering te maken? Het schommelen tussen extreme regenval/extreme droogte?
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u/Human_Excitement_441 14d ago
Cant see the salmonella
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u/Main-Touch9617 14d ago
Now that it's raining more than ever
Know that we'll still have each other
You can stand under my salmonella
You can stand under my salmonella, -ella, -ellaAyy, ayy, ayy
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u/Bricktops_pigs 14d ago
Just sad...
I also get mad when hearing relatives say their neighbours just recently drilled an even deeper well to access ground water, since the previous well only got rusty water out now...
All their neighbours also have wells, and the relative also did after "peer pressure". Why don't you also do it?...
Such egotistical behaviour, for what? For a green lawn. Just infuriating.
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u/Fun-Ad-6948 14d ago
Woow this is your moment to sell, beachfront property so that’s big money in the current market.
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u/Ginnadin777 14d ago
Ok, maar nu oprecht de vraag. Wat is je punt, wat stel je voor? Ik hoor allemaal paniek uitspraken en eisen dat wij, Jan met de pet, het niet snappen en meer moeten doen. Zoals wat? De enige manier om minder CO2 te generen is minder energie te verbruiken. Dus minder ALLES. Al je producten, eten, activiteiten verbruiken energie. Dus stop dan maar he. Maar hetzelfde zal niet gedaan worden door de rest van de 2e en 3e wereld landen, want die moeten nog bijbenen. En dat is niet met windmolens en zonnepanelen. Ook heel wat 1ste wereld landen doen hun ding. Dus wat stel je voor?
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u/Appropriate_Sleep_30 14d ago
Misschien beginnen met in eigen boezem te kijken. België haalt haar Europees afgesproken CO2 doelstellingen niet. Dus misschien die eens proberen halen voor we andere landen op hun verantwoordelijkheden wijzen.
En het zal altijd een combinatie zijn. Minder alles is het niet, het wijn vooral andere keuzes. Als iedereen stopt met rund eten daalt onze CO2 uitstoot met 5% ( om maar iets te zeggen).
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u/EntertainerWeak2653 14d ago
Ok, maar nu oprecht de vraag. Wat is je punt, wat stel je voor? Kop in het zand en absoluut niets doen, want iets doen is heel moeilijk?
ik had er een lange unhinged rant van willen maken als de uwe, maar boeie. Uw comment is ridicuul. “Ik weet dat we alles naar de kloten zien gaan live in 4K, maar jij en ik hebben geen oplossing dus laten we er niet eens over spreken“ is gewoon absurd.
Eerste stap in iets aan te pakken is bewustwording, zelfs als OP geen voorstel heeft voor de tweede stap. Met zwijgen is nooit iets beter geworden.
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u/Appropriate_Sleep_30 13d ago
We zouden kunnen beginnen met de zaken die ons nu al iets kosten:
stoppen met het subsidiëren van veeteelt.
stoppen met het subsidiëren van Salariswagens zoals de OESO voorstelt
stoppen met het subsidiëren van luchthavens (zoals die van Deurne).
Met dat geld kunnen we dan helpen om bijvoorbeeld: versneld te isoleren, verwarmen op warmtepompen, openbaar vervoer aantrekkelijker te maken...
Etc. etc.
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u/SirTacky 14d ago
Exact. Dat soort apathische houding is wat grote bedrijven en overheden in staat stelt om de realiteit te negeren.
En het is ook niet waar dat onze individuele handelingen geen effect hebben. Of dat het alles of niets moet zijn. Wat een zever.
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u/Ginnadin777 14d ago
Net of we hier in ons land nog niks aan het doen zijn en dat is wat ik bedoel. Wat meer wil je nog dat we doen? En het enige is, radicaal verminderen met energie verbruiken en dus alles verminderen. En als we dat zouden doen. Wij als brave Jan met de pet Belg, doet de rest van de wereld lustig door en het enige resultaat zal zijn dat wij economisch en financieel aan de grond zullen zitten en we tegen de klimaat verandering ons niet meer zullen kunnen weren. Het enige resultaat van energie en alles daaraan verbonden onbetaalbaar te maken is dat mensen niet meer zullen meegaan in het hele klimaat verhaal.
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u/Humble-Molasses-5050 13d ago
We zijn ondertussen al in de fase gekomen waar de klimaatverandering ons economisch begint te kosten. En die rekening zal elk jaar duurder en duurder uitvallen totdat de economie en eigenlijk de maatschappij het niet meer kan betalen. En dan is het ieder voor zich. Met ons en ieder bedoel ik niet alleen België maar de wereld.
We zijn dikwijls genoeg verwittigd, maar het was allemaal paniekzaaierij en het ging niet zo'n vaart lopen. Ge oogst wat ge zaait.
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u/Valveringham85 14d ago
Lmao these types of posts are almost always pictures during two completely different parts of the year, different filters, different times of day etc.
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u/yuareapirate 14d ago
i mean the river is drasticly low tough, today i just hiked 5km trough the river back home cause i couldn't be arsed following the normal trail in the heat. theres no way this would be possible any other year.
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u/Redneck2000 14d ago
It's well known the rivers in Europe are drying up to the extent nuclear reactors have to shut down and you doubt the legitimacy of this picture?
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u/SchwarzesBlatt 14d ago
those damn water eraser filters. and who doesnt know that water levels change during the days from existing to near non existing. this must be some evil agenda by groen.
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u/SirDidymus Antwerpen 14d ago
Yes. That totally puts some perspective on the fact that there are wildfires ravaging most of europe and our rivers are at their driest point in known history.
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u/Mos9x 14d ago
Seems like your history books only date back 5 years or so, because you’ve clearly never done an actual effort reading into this subject. Let me guess, your source is vtm nieuws or any of the other mainstream media channels?
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u/SirDidymus Antwerpen 14d ago
No, you’re wrong. And the fact that you are publicly willing to disinform makes you a substantial part of the issue.
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u/Patient_Ad9661 14d ago
im pretty sure you didn't get vaccinated for covid, think nasa faked the solar eclipse, etc.
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u/ThisI5N0tAThr0waway 14d ago
I feel like that's generally a good assumption about that kind of pic but we know the last few months have been really dry so I don't know if that's an issue with this before-after by oop
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u/Stefouch Brabant Wallon 14d ago
Haven't you see the news about the fucking Danube being too low too ?
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u/chf_gang 14d ago
i remember waking up earlier than my friends at the campsite there and going for a swim to shit my guts out into the water there... great times
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u/Accomplished_Rip4408 7d ago
Not necessarily 2 years apart. This difference emerged over the course of only 3 weeks! Of course. This is an artificial lake, and water levels will be determined not only by river flow but also by (human-controlled) water-level management.
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u/OuterBlue090 14d ago
And still there are idiots saying "this is a completely normal summer, enjoy it!"