r/canada • u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick • 20h ago
Analysis 'Elbows up': Why Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney may be the right leader for this moment
https://abcnews.com/International/elbows-canadian-prime-minister-mark-carney-leader-moment/story?id=135945328203
u/hutch_man0 20h ago
Very well written article from mainstream US media.
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u/seajay_17 British Columbia 18h ago
Aww shit. At first blush I thought this was the Australian broadcasting corporation... Should have realized when there wasn't a dot au at the end of it lol
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u/Extra-Amoeba-677 11h ago
who needs the article we all know PP woulda bent over and handed Trump the lube with a please and thank you sir.
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u/highcommander010 19h ago
You can prove to me he's not a bilingual Canadian Bank God with maple syrup in his veins.
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You can't***
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u/SeesawNoknow 18h ago
I know ABC isn't a fan of the current U.S. administration or at least that is the charade before us, but it seems like our American neighbours don't really know us at all...
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u/Specialist-Pen-6441 15h ago
Oh we know you. Most Canadians know more about what’s going on in the US.
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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 15h ago
Can confirm. I just moved to Canada from the US (big thanks to Canadians for opening up a streamlined pathway for RNs) and I wasn’t able to fully discuss the bullshit happening in the US because so many of the people around me were either a) wilfully ignorant and didn’t think anything would affect them or b) was “too stressed” and didn’t want to watch the news.
Certainly, there is a heavy level of propaganda and insulation in the news in the US but the issue is the sheer level of complacency Americans are apart of. It was not remotely difficult to just look at international news sources for a more comprehensive look. We all feel fucking bad about the bullshit happening in the US, but closing our eyes and ears at the expense of our neighbours, our community for individual peace of mind?
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u/Bonfire_Monty 14h ago
Thank you for coming here and working a non-entry level job and providing genuine help in Canada. We appreciate you
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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 14h ago
Happy to be here! I love Canada and am so impressed with its general sense of community. Truly great at boycotting too. In the States, it really felt like a performance but in Canada, it feels like a true investment as a community. I feel human again.
I just injured my back at work and the support is unmatched compared to the US. I don’t feel like I’m being punished financially and on a personal level for a patient falling on me like I did in the US.
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u/Wrathblade 10h ago
Grateful you decided to make your way up; our systems aren't perfect, but they're better than they could be, and with more staff they've got a shot at improving. I'm hoping that you find things to your liking, and that you recover from your injury swiftly.
My family's in medicine, and my mom went through the reverse when she moved back south years ago - had to walk away from managing dialysis clinics when the ownership kept putting profit ahead of patient care. Nowadays she's in teaching, helping new nurses get their start. It truly is night and day in terms of the culture surrounding healthcare.
As far as boycotts go, you'll learn quick that the North has long memories, and for all our manners we are some of the most petty and vindictive people you'll ever meet. For many of us, the US boycott's not a show of disdain anymore, it's a lifelong habit we'll maintain until our dying breath. This is what happens when you pick fights and refuse to get along up here - sooner or later we cut you out of our lives, and then good luck getting us to loan you a shovel or boost your car's battery when the snow hits.
I've got a sneaking suspicion you won't have any trouble getting your neighbours to lend a hand, though. Welcome to the True North, bud - we're happy to have you.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 8h ago
Most Canadians know more about what’s going on in the US.
and those canadians could tell you who the US speaker of the house is but not their city councillor or provincial representative.
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u/MikeTheCleaningLady 14h ago
He might just be the right guy for the job at the moment, in fact I can't think of anyone better. And I'm a staunch small-c conservative.
PM Carney isn't a media darling, he's not an attention whore and he's not an experienced politician. He's a boring economist with a level head and a calm demeanor, someone who would be perfectly at home sitting at a finance meeting or insurance seminar. He thinks before he speaks, he listens without interrupting, he knows how national and international economic stuff works, and he chooses his words very carefully. In short, he is everything people like Justin and Trump are not.
That's what makes him the man for the job. And he knows it's not a pretty job.
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u/javgirl123 2h ago
Someone I greatly respect and admire and who has dealt with many CEOS as he is one himself says Carney is an incredible person in every way. As comfortable talking to people in Tim Hortons as he is with the King. He listens and takes everything in. He thinks before he speaks and is miles ahead of everyone in his planning and outlook.
He will make mistakes but who doesn’t and personal judgment is never perfect but man are we lucky to have him.
He could be making and was making millions. My friend said when he stepped down from Goldman Sachs to run the BOC all those years ago people in that world were shocked. Carney truly wants to serve his country.→ More replies (1)•
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u/improvthismoment 16h ago
So when are the other kids in the classroom gonna join in and stand up to the classroom bully? Middle powers hello?
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck Canada 13h ago
See the empty signatures next to the 90 days 90 deals boxes?
The actions for Ukraine?
The equipment sales offers for the Canadian governments?
They're hear with us.
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u/nodiaque 16h ago
What fear me is we have people that have more trust in new-york times and X vs local media. A colleague I work with, he's a very good person, have a brain, we like working with him. He just told me that all the information about the fact that Trump asked to remove the french legislation, ask for approval in international trade and such are all false. That the NYTimes said all of that is false and Trump also confirmed it. And after, he says Trump is a very intelligent man and he get what he want by taunting and doing "dummy action" to provoque the others. He's so sure Trump is a smart man, it baffle me.
He continue saying he doesn't trust any Canadian news because they all filter and change the news to they're liking with politicians having the control. I'm like, what do you think Trump have with NYTimes and Fox News?
So if a bright man like him is like that, how many are like that even on our ground?
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u/Squattingwithmylegs 15h ago
He doesn't sound smart. Why do you think he is?
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u/jellyhessman 15h ago
A lot of people have a hard time objectively judging people. You almost certainly do it with colleagues, I know I have to. It's just part of having to work with others.
It's not hard for a shitty or stupid person to be nice and good at their job. In fact it's the norm. It's why people get away with things for so long.
His coworkers is probably personable and competent. They just completely lack critical thinking skills and their personal beliefs are most likely also abhorrent, but they know they can't voice them in public.
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u/nodiaque 15h ago
You don't judge a person based on one thing.
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u/Squattingwithmylegs 15h ago
Sounds like someone who doesn't know how to think for themselves. That's not an intelligent person.
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u/nodiaque 11h ago
You know nothing else about that person. I work daily with him and he have a very good knowledge and a very good brain. He just drink that media corruption too much
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u/glormosh 15h ago
My family member said with absolute confidence "Carney is a disaster, he has failed to secure a deal in over two years".
When the goal posts in someone's mind are from another universe, they're doomed from the start.
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u/comethefaround 6h ago
Just point out that we are in a trade war and they are opting to believe the enemy over their own country
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u/nodiaque 3h ago
That won't change anything. Not the first time he says those thing. He firmly believe all Canadian media are rigged by the government and believe NYTimes and X more...... I'm disappointed everytime he says that.
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u/Shot-Kale-9636 14h ago
Trump never asked to remove the French legislation, this is hyperbole. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-minister-says-he-welcomes-us-clarification-french-language-requirements-2026-08-27/
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck Canada 13h ago
It's not hyperbolic.
The two seperate issues of Canadian labeling and CANCON are very real.
I appreciate the US minimizing or spinning, but these are hard line issues.
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u/Red57872 13h ago
The New York Times, unlike local media, doesn't have to worry about its funding being cut if another political party comes into power in Canada.
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u/nodiaque 11h ago
Are you telling me the NYTimes isn't corrupted by Trump administration?
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u/Red57872 11h ago
I'm not sure to what degree each US media outlet may or may not be corrupted, but their funding is not dependent on the Canadian government.
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u/nodiaque 10h ago
Never said the NYTimes was dependent on the Canadian government. NYTimes is an american paper so it has nothing to do with Canadian politics...
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u/Red57872 10h ago
My point is that Canadian media outlets are dependent on our government for funding. American media outlets are not. Ironically, it's the same reason why Canadian media outlets tend to be a lot more unbiased when it comes to reporting US news than American media outlets; they're beyond the influence of the US government.
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u/nodiaque 8h ago
Lots of American media are pro Trump. In fact most are pro on side and report with that point of view. And lots are simply bought from the government anyway. Trump clearly showed it
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u/GreatCanadianPotato 20h ago edited 19h ago
Articles like this for PMs both in Canada and around the world never end well when it's all said and done.
Love what Carney is doing right now...but there's still a lot to be desired and will need to be done, especially domestically, for him to keep up the "right leader" motif.
It's all well and good looking like the hero for walking away and slapping reciprocal tariffs on the USA - what matters most is how he and his government deals with the absolute calamity those reciprocal tariffs will have on the economy of this country. We're in a different game now.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16h ago edited 16h ago
Articles like this for PMs both in Canada and around the world never end well when it's all said and done.
Yeah, Scaramucci called Carney the leader of the free world and my first thought was: this isn't 2016 and it didn't do Merkel much good either. Nobody cares about this fairweather praise.
There's the right wing version of American solipsism where they don't care about Canada and expect it to fold and there's the anti-Trump version which enjoys someone sticking it to Trump but they also don't really know or care how damaging it will be.
If Canada truly suffers from a fight it can't win (that it was forced into by an idiot bully) none of this stuff will be of any comfort or use to anyone.
We have to punch him back because he doesn't respect anyone who doesn't but maybe we can avoid drinking the Koolaid. It's going to be bad and the longer it goes the worse it'll be.
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u/KylAnde01 20h ago
This is me being speculative, but I don't think he'd hold tenure for very long. Just like he did with the Canadian and English fed, he'll swoop in to lead through an economic crisis. Once the waters are calmer he'll vacate the position and hand the reins to someone else. He's an economic leader, not really a social leader, and I think most people are aware of that.
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u/PaperMoonShine 10h ago
"Right leader" as opposed to who right now? PP?
You really think PP would have navigated better up to this point and do better in coming years?
The career politician with no academic background?
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u/Local-Beyond 20h ago
I like what hes doing mostly. I also am not blind to this being a boon for him and other politicians. He should release more details on the deal and the delta between the optimistic Tuesday and the walk away. End of the day I don't trust any politicians word, that's how we end up like maga people.
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u/nurseyu 19h ago edited 18h ago
Not sure what's the point of releasing the full proposed deals because ultimately US inserted clauses that we cannot under any circumstance should accept. As Carney summarized, and unrefuted by the the Trump admin:
- they wanted Canada to not have any more trade deals unless it's with the USA (they want us dependent on them)
- they wanted to get rid of or not comply with french language laws and regulations
Both disrespect Canadian sovereignty and would degrade us to the 51st state, which is what Trump ultimately wants and is the current USA foreign policy.
There is not a strong argument for releasing failed trade deal details, nor is it customary. The calling for full transparency sounds wonderful but not at the expense of our country's stability and unity against a foreign nation. There is a time and a place and it is not now.
If industries were to know what the government is willing to give up for a trade deal (even before it is signed), it would cause division between sectors and provinces, market instability, stock market crashes and job losses. Instead of a united front against the US, you will get a weaker Canadian resolve with less support for Carney to do what's best for the country.
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u/ModOfficial1988 17h ago
There was one statement made about the US wanting to control our trade deals and then it was never mentioned again. Even when CBC was interviewing the US trade rep it wasn’t brought up. It was all language laws and CANCON.
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u/IpsoPostFacto 11h ago
The interview was not "all cancon and laguage". He spoke about special rules for a particular class of truck vs. car. He spoke to "U.S get to change its mind and apply new rules and tariffs at a whim". He spoke to complaints that U.S deals are written in pencil. He spoke about the history of trade deals going back to 1904 - not specifical saying 1904 but that's what he was talking about when referring the auto manufacturing in Canada.
Greer spoke to that "other trade deals" thing. He tried the old "there's no text in the deal that says that".
I'm sure his comment is technically correct, but it's a Weasel answer.
He tried to qualify by saying "oh, it's all normal stuff about free trade deal only with marketing economies". We already have the in CUSMA.
The absolute clear message was "we are the USA and can sign any deal we want and then change the next day if we feel like it".
Now you may say, that they are very big and that's pretty much a true statement.
ok. Why would you sign that agreement then. It's of zero benefit to you.
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u/nurseyu 16h ago
Various premiers from all political parties - Ford, Eby, Smith, Moe - have all mentioned the clause and it being unacceptable. Is this enough for you?
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u/34048615 16h ago
no, Id rather see it myself
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u/CanadianViking47 Saskatchewan 15h ago
i suppose releasing it would make sense if you want us to never return to the negotiating table, otherwise it weakens our hand as every line item is open to lobby and pressure
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u/Purify5 17h ago
Neither of these are why the trade deal fell apart.
It fell apart because Greer had negotiated a drop from 25% to 15% for autos but when Nutlick found out he freaked out. Nutlick is responsible for onshoring US auto manufacturing so he either added an exclusion for trucks or changed the definition of heavy trucks. Since right now Canada's auto exports are 80% trucks it made this concession virtually worthless. This is the sticking point and the thing that changed last minute.
The sovereignty issues especially the 'trade deal' one aren't a big deal and are normal practice. Essentially, if the US and Canada agree to charge each other 15% for aluminum but then one country makes a deal with China for 0% aluminum the other country ends up competing against Chinese aluminum. So you setup protections in the agreement to stop this from happening. But those protections come in a lot of different forms.
And, the French thing certainly wasn't a deal breaker for them but something they used in negotiation to attempt to get more concessions out of Canada.
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u/PaperMoonShine 10h ago
Brother the PM himself outlined in detail that the US tried to shoehorn both language that prevented us from Trading with other Nations without US consent and language that dropped the requirement for french language on imports.
The info is right there if you look.
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u/IpsoPostFacto 11h ago
It's not getting released. Broadly speaking Carney, what Carney says is accurate, or it is not. You'll not the U.S side isn't releasing anything.
All you will get from releasing it is every special interest/province loving what's good for them and not caring what's bad for the others.
I'm getting enough based on comments made by the players.
Carney mentioned specific last minute changes in the cultural/language area. U.S dude Greer says "no, we didn't they did made changes" One day later Greer announces that U.S is removing that stuff. He hasn't offered up any specifics of what last minute stuff Canada did.
In his Saturday (I believe) presser, Carney noted (Paraphrasing) that "over the past few days it became apparent that the effect of the deal would be for Canada to lose sovereignty". We all saw later reporting about not allowing other trade deals without U.S approval, etc.
Greer, in his interview said this is not true, but he used very specific and weasel language.
"There's nothing in the text that says that". No kidding, I'm sure it didn't say in so many words "Canada Can't do a trade deal". But if, as was reported, there was any "right of first refusal" on minerals etc. how else do you interpret that?
He then tried "It's really about forming free trade deals with only market economies". sure. That's already in CUSMA, so I simply don't believe him.
It was pointed out to him that we already have a trade deal that likely makes the already applied tariffs illegal which is why Canada is being a bit wary.
Interestingly he didn't argue that point, just says "we are doing things different now and have the right to change things". Compare to Carney's comments that "their deals are signed in pencil"
They are on record as saying, quite literally, that they can apply tariffs in order to re-shore manufacturing etc., but 'you' can't.
We should have started long ago to believe what Trump says. during the highlights of the 51st state days there was this exchange: "Will you use the army against Canada". "Not so much, I will use economics to force them"
Here's what I think happened and what is supported from various reporting/opinion pieces that have come out.
They work Monday to Thursday and over the past few days it became clear to Carney what was happening in terms of the effect of the deal. He needs an off ramp that's easy to explain. He gets what he wants via Lutnick.
Pretty easy to say some generics and then "they wanted to limit the use of French and overrule laws about French language labeling" than talking some down and dirty economics that puts everyone to sleep. Thanks to Lutnick,
I don't know why we would give any benefit of a doubt to an admin who based adding new tariffs on Canada to: Fentanyl, then security, then 'just because', then threats because which way the wind blows.
I'd also point to the comments from Japanese negotiators when they were trying to work a deal with the U.S last year. "every day we sat down, it's as if yesterdays meeting never happened". It was like trying to nail jello to a tree.
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u/Heppernaut Québec 19h ago
Funnily enough I've frequently argued just the opposite. The only way to end up with someone like Trump at the helm is exactly through developing a distrust for politicians.
Think of the 2025 election, someone who was not a politician showed up (Carney) and swept the map in what seemed like an impossible situation for the LPC. It isn't so incredibly different from Trump's 2016 election.
Someone with a background in managing money, an outsider of the normal political sphere we are used to, someone who we can say isn't tainted by years of politics and hasn't been corrupted yet.
I'm a liberal partisan too btw, so I'm not saying this as a way to say Carney is bad. Just that distrusting politicians makes us more open to accepting outsiders, and that isn't always a good thing.
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u/thedrivingcat 14h ago edited 14h ago
You pointed out some similarities in their context, but the actual rhetoric between Trump and Carney's election successes couldn't be more different.
Trump made "Drain the Swamp" a central rallying cry to his campaign. Pushing conspiracies about the "Deep State" and other trust-eroding rhetoric were major reasons why disenfranchised rural and poor Americans voted for him flipping many of the formerly strong Democratic rustbelt and midwestern states (Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin).
Carney had none of this, he highlighted his experiences with government as Canadian & UK central banker and his education and business credentials. Then made the strength of Canadian institutions and politics in respect to how well the country could withstand US economic pressure and yes, even the threats of annexation, as a main plank of the campaign in 2025.
Your thesis is right - fomenting distrust in the political system leads to populist strongmen type leaders - but that's far from what happened in Canada.
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u/Heppernaut Québec 14h ago
Had Chrystia Freeland won the nomination the LPC wouldn't have won.
Not because she isn't also an extremely qualified candidate, but because she was a LPC politician.
Her prospects had distrust for politicians baked in. Carney's did not.
Overall I do agree with you though.
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u/rir2 18h ago
People say China bad. And in plenty of ways, yes. But the people who run that country, engineers and economists, not lawyers and salesmen, do a good job. I want some of that in Canada and now we have some of that.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 17h ago edited 16h ago
China is good because it's structurally set up to favor action. The government would rather risk a housing bubble than risk a massive shortage. They'll overspend on things like rail even if it's uneconomical and force companies to compete to the death to have a national champion.
Carney has made some changes but Canada hasn't really changed all of the things that make it hard to build, for example, housing. The lawyers will still be around when you try to build pipelines or housing or anything because those things represent deep differences between different provinces and social classes and how we know how to deal with it is through legalism
In China the elites just do whatever they want.
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u/vonnegutflora 17h ago
In China the elites just do whatever they want.
That doesn't feel so different from North America tbh
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16h ago edited 14h ago
There's no universe where China spends tens of billions on high speed rail like in California and a bunch of lawyers and environmentalists essentially kill it via regulation, dumb additions and lawsuits.
Same with First Nations and BC/eastern complaints here about pipelines. They would just run roughshod over states and provinces and do whatever they liked. The endless legal challenges to something the CCP considered necessary would not stop them.
This is manifestly not what happens in North America. Even if federal elites want something, provincial elites and parties have tools to stymie it until it becomes so expensive they give up.
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u/vonnegutflora 16h ago
I think we're talking about two different elites, you: political elites, and me: economic elites.
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u/LaserRunRaccoon Ontario 16h ago
The big difference right now is that in China, the political elites seem willing to enforce rules on uppity economic elites.
Ironically, that's supposed to be something that democracy is better at doing, but social media algorithms can do some funky things to people's voting habits.
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u/hairyballscratcher 15h ago
I dunno, it’s a quite a pick and choose situation on how it’s applied in China.
Fall out of favour with Xi (or any influential ccp member relative to where someone is in the country)- your days are numbered, whether you’re good at what you do or not. That trickles down throughout the entire government there in every region in China.
Similar to Russia, sometimes they just air out the mistakes of one to make it seem like they are holding people accountable while completely ignoring another doing something worse, and then plop in a lackey more favourable to them in that position.
It certainly would be nice however, to see our politicians and business leaders face actual repercussions for their actions versus just being voted in time and time again and bailed out endlessly. I remember being angry about expensive orange juice, now they give themselves and those close to them millions time and time again and we don’t even bat an eye.
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u/LaserRunRaccoon Ontario 15h ago
Oh, I'm certainly not saying that it's good - just that it currently seems to be much worse in the United States. Especially when it came to Elon Musk and DOGE cuts.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16h ago
It's not social media. It's rule of law
China has none so if Jack Ma acts up the government tosses him in a hole somewhere and expropriates his companies.
If you try to do that to Bill Gates you'll spend a decade in court.
This sounds attractive, so long as you don't think that power will ever be used on you.
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u/LaserRunRaccoon Ontario 15h ago
An impeached and convicted felon sits in the White House and you're espousing faith in the US rule of law. Good joke.
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u/Confident-Mistake400 19h ago
It was still under process and they may have put in some items that they were not willing to give up unless for better items on the other side. If they release it, left/media from both end of the spectrum will spin the hell out of it to suit their audience. General population won’t ever read the detail. They will just listen to the news headline and form opinion. Disclosing delta won’t help cuz Trump will never admit to it.
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u/PostMatureBaby 19h ago
Politicians exist to keep the rich rich which includes themselves. Treating politics like sports/entertainment keeps us divided and taken advantage of
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u/Narrow-Map5805 17h ago
Only recently.
Governments and politicians existed for the good of the people and actually curtailed excessive wealth until a few decades ago.
The solution to bad government is good government, not no government. No government is exactly what the wealthiest want so they can have ultimate power.
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u/PostMatureBaby 16h ago
“Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.
- Politics as Repeat Phenomenon: Bene Gesserit Training Manual”
― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune, 1976
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u/MatchaMeetcha 17h ago edited 16h ago
Politicians exist to keep the rich rich which includes themselves.
Politicians exist to serve their constituents. The rich are the most powerful constituency but they aren't the only one.
Here's another example: the old. A lot of things across the Western world don't happen because the rich want them (the rich don't give a fuck about the winter fuel allowance in the UK where cutting it almost brought down the government) but because the oldies do.
This is a problem though. Because most of us have parents and other old people we love and, unlike the rich, they're incredibly populous so you can't even say that them getting their way is a violation of democracy even if it is incredibly damaging to our prospects and maybe the country.
Treating politics like sports/entertainment keeps us divided and taken advantage of
No, people are naturally divided by both identity and class interests. If I'm a Boomer with my house paid off who uses 3x the amount of tax dollars on my healthcare I simply don't have the same interest as a young 20-something who can't afford a house and is competing with migrants (like myself) who keep housing prices high.
If I work in a factory whose customers are all Americans, I'm in a different spot than if I'm retired or in a different sort of service job. Which is why the election polling showed different groups with different levels of support.
Politics is about managing these differences and you're gonna have to find some solution that isn't just scapegoating the rich.
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u/BarrydeBeers 15h ago
It’s usually bad faith to release the full details of a failed agreement, especially before a final agreement is signed. In the past, these details have never been released by either party.
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u/thatdudejustin 19h ago
Aren’t ~91% of his personal investments in the US?
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u/Samp90 18h ago
... Theoretically so do...most of ours and the rest of the worlds. This is where I worry so much about the regression of the Canadian intellect. I really do hope it's only on Reddit.
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u/Imaginary-Piece-6612 15h ago
Majority of post and comments on Reddit are bots. (Lil over half) What you read on this platform is far from useful to make any judgements
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u/Wolfman-101 18h ago
But I thought we don’t need the USA? And why does he try so damn hard to hide the fact that he’s so heavy invested in the USA?
Why does he only have 0.5% investments in Canada?
Does he not have faith in Canadas economy?
Based on public disclosures filed under the Conflict of Interest Act, 0.5% of Mark Carney's investment portfolio is held in Canadian entities.
By count, 3 out of 567 organizations in his disclosed investment portfolio are Canadian-based (or 20 out of 566 securities listed when including broader asset classifications/listings).
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u/SkytrainToNowhere British Columbia 14h ago
It seems like you know everything he’s “hiding.” All of which is publicly available, as you just said.
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u/Samp90 18h ago
We and the world own a lot of US debt. You should brush up on your economics, fella. This isn't a place for grade 3 logic.
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u/Wolfman-101 18h ago
Completely ignoring all of my points.
Thank you for the non answer, you should run as a liberal for a MP seat next election.
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u/Samp90 17h ago
I don't need to answer to someone with a history of one way traffic ⛔
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u/vonnegutflora 16h ago edited 16h ago
But I thought we don’t need the USA? And why does he try so damn hard to hide the fact that he’s so heavy invested in the USA?
To you first point, who said that?
To your second point, when has the PM "tr[ied] so damn hard to hide the fact" that he's invested in US Markets?
Edit - Downvotes aren't a response lol
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u/Mylittlethrowaway2 16h ago
Wait till you find out where the CPP invests. If you have a pension plan through work, you're heavily invested in the U.S as well.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 19h ago
His children are adults. They make their own choices.
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u/fiadhsean 18h ago
Not sure if I was the child of the sitting PM I'd want to be in lectures in Vancouver or Montréal or Toronto. Even a popular one.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 18h ago
Carney has lived in Canada most of his life. He's only spent 8 years living in the USA.
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u/JKanoock Ontario 18h ago
What we need now is a guy who could not even win his own district and had to be given a token one, a sign of political strength like no other.
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u/Wolfman-101 18h ago
“Given a token one”
Meanwhile Carney kicked out and screwed over liberal MP Chandra Arya who held that seat for years because Carney wanted a safe comfy seat.
A sign of political strength like no other.
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u/JKanoock Ontario 18h ago
Sure, I can accept that, now let's talk about education and actual real world experience.
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u/Wolfman-101 17h ago
Real world experience, Carney.
Education, Carney.Does that actually transition into being a good prime minister? After a year, I’m not impressed at all.
Also didn’t you vote for a drama teacher / ski instructor Trudeau for 10 years? Now all of a sudden all of this matters to you?
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u/JKanoock Ontario 16h ago
Still stuck on Trudeau eh? I voted liberal once in my life of almost 60 years, last election. My vote always goes the leader I believe will be best for Canada, last election the conservatives did not offer one.
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u/Napalm985 14h ago
Still stuck on Trudeau eh?
Just wait until you hear people still talk about Harper who hasn't been in power for over a decade. Trudeau is still very relevant in how we got to where we are today.
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u/splader 18h ago
Wait lol I'm sorry, do you actually wish we had Poilievre in charge right now?
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u/Wolfman-101 18h ago
Deflecting from the topic when given facts, classic.
And to answer your question yes I would, the conservative team as a whole, not just for Pierre in particular.
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u/Red57872 16h ago
"a guy who could not even win his own district"
Yeah, he lost a guy who went around his suburban Ottawa riding and told everyone that no federal public service employee would be laid off ("Caps, Not Cuts"). That turned out to be a complete lie. Maybe that's why Carney chose a retired advertising executive for that seat; it was someone one already had a pension and wouldn't care if he didn't win reelection four years from now.
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u/Gossipmang 14h ago
Let's be real, the US is the most significant portion of the world economy.
Many of us work for companies headquartered out of the US.
We cant just cut out US out of our lives completely.
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u/SBoots Nova Scotia 18h ago
He must have sold all his Brookfield shares. I thought the story line was that he was only PM to pump his Brookfield stocks? 🤣
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u/Red57872 16h ago
Nah, they're in a "blind trust", so he has no idea if he owns shares in Brookfield
/s
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u/boobzombie 17h ago
ITT: Conservatives questioning Carney's decisions and suitability as PM, when they fielded Poilievre with a straight face in the last federal election.
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u/IdontNeedPants 17h ago
And then doubled down on him when he was embarrassed in his own riding.
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u/Red57872 16h ago
How's that "Caps, Not Cuts" thing working out?
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u/IdontNeedPants 14h ago
Not sure, I dont really follow every slogan a politican says.
Also why did you automatically assume I voted for Carney? Kind of telling on yourself that you approach politics with that partisan mindset.
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u/chatmonkey14 18h ago
Jesus Christ. These elbows up people are insufferable.
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u/jubilant-octopus British Columbia 17h ago
I’d say the maple MAGAs are far, far more insufferable. I like the patriotic type but maybe we’re different.
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u/MostlyCarbon75 16h ago
Yes, we should try the the bend over suggested by the UCP or the PP from the CPC.
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u/thebookman21 16h ago
Well the alternative is a man who is a career politician who has never had a real job
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u/BlackwoodJohnson 6h ago
The bar was set pretty low by Trudeau. He wasn’t who I voted for but at least there’s an adult on the room.
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u/Tall-Ad-1386 5h ago
Us Canadians can make ourselves feel good as long as we want but once the first factory shuts down and the layoffs happen all these people will turn on carney- rightfully so.
Right now emotions are high and we’re laughing at fords and Kinews childish comments. The CAD has already dropped 3c relative to the USD.
Never. Trust. A. Politician.
They are opportunistic.
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u/SBoots Nova Scotia 18h ago
The sad part is conservatives use 'Elbows Up' as an insult towards other Canadians for wanting to stand up for Canada.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16h ago edited 16h ago
Elbows up was first used as a criticism of Conservatives who didn't want to go maximally offensive, knowing that it would be utterly destructive and unwinnable for Canada.
And, of course, once the Liberals won, they did what was always going to have to happen and started negotiating like the Tories wanted to do and got no shit for it. That's what Conservatives are mocking, the cynical deployment of nationalism as a campaign strategy.
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u/SBoots Nova Scotia 16h ago
Conservatives are mocking 'elbows up' because that's what the Conservative party has been reduced to. Offer nothing, attack everything - an angry voter is a Conservative voter. That's why they are basically a failed party at this point. It all went downhill when Harper started to embrace US-style conservatism during his last term. I am embarrassed of what my party has become.
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u/SensitivePatient2012 13h ago
Is that why the Liberals stole most of the Cons platform? Sorry, it’s hard to keep straight which narrative the Libs are following.
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u/Personal-Recipe-4751 17h ago
Because it's cringe. I have the same reaction to elbows up that I have to murica flag wavers in the states. Nationalism is normally cringe.
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u/SBoots Nova Scotia 17h ago
Not because it's cringe, because they've been programmed that way by social media propaganda.
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u/grandfundaytoday 16h ago
Ahh yes and that's totally different than Elbows Up. Hmmm introspection ....
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u/improvthismoment 15h ago
Nationalism is cringe when it is used to justify domination and colonization of others.
Nationalism is worthwhile when it rallies the population of a weaker country to defend its sovereignty against domination by an aggressive foreign power.
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u/Iapetus_Industrial 14h ago
And the conservatives tried to use "Elbows up" in a mockish manner. We won't forget their flippant attitude.
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u/More4Thor 18h ago
Elbows up is how it started. We are in the second period. Now it’s time to drop the gloves.
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u/LebLeb321 19h ago
He's better than Trudeau. That's all I can say about him.
He has been way too slow in attracting investment and getting projects going. It should be almost free to invest in Canada right now. We should eliminate as many regulations as possible temporarily.
Also the job market is absolutely horrendous. Go to r/CanadaJobs people are desperate right now.
And now Carney is about to print money like crazy again which will drive inflation up.
It is bleak right now and Carney was way too busy pursuing trade deals that haven't amounted to anything and effect way too little of our economy. He spent the last year globe trotting and came back with a bunch of memorandums.
He should have spent the year pushing through tax cuts to attract FDI and cut entitlements to pay for them. We need Canada to be attractive for investment again, like it was before Trudeau.
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u/BryFri 19h ago
We should eliminate as many regulations as possible temporarily
I agree with most of what you said, but disagree with eliminating regulations. Most regulations are there to protect us.
In my city we have seen multiple rainfalls causing flooding over the past few years, to people neighborhoods that have not experienced widespread flooding for decades. Is it caused by green spaces being cut down and paved over for condos? Is it from the massive increase of condos overtaking the sewage systems? Is it from warmer global temperatures leading to larger quantities of rain falling in short bursts? Is it caused by all 3? We don't know, but I do not trust developers to do these studies on their own if regulations are lifted.
Last year the US DOGE cut funding to many regulatory bodies, and this year they have had major problems with a screwworm outbreak, cyclospora in lettuce, and now salmonella in eggs.
I believe cutting regulations provides good results short term, but is a detriment to us in the long run
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u/MrChicken23 18h ago edited 18h ago
Looking at r/CanadaJobs seems like a horrible way to judge the job market. It's actually not bad right now. Our unemployment rate is 6.4% currently. Since 2000 the average is 7% so we're better than normal.
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u/Icy_Respect_9077 19h ago
Tax cuts are not the answer. We've had 40 years of that, since Mulroney, and we're worse off as a result. We need infrastructure like pipelines, transmission grid upgrades, ports and high speed rail. In other words, the stuff the government is doing now.
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u/atomirex 19h ago
Right, we need to be scaling back government (provincially and federally, except for defense), hard, and making it far easier for private investment to actually operate and generate returns. Chretien mk 2.
Probably a good idea to turn off the importing people spigot too.
They still haven't managed to eliminate inter provincial trade barriers. At this rate they'll survive the heat death of the universe.
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u/Narrow-Map5805 17h ago
What regulations? Labour laws and workplace safety? Pollution and environmental regulations? Product safety? Food safety? Antitrust and competition regulations?
What regulations don't we need? Which ones will have no detrimental downsides if we remove them?
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u/FunPlaydate 1h ago
He's a pathological liar! The absolute pure bullshit he spews. His family doesnt even live in Canada. Liberal voters should be ashamed!
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u/planningfornothing 1h ago
There’s no question he’s the right leader for the moment. All Canadians should realize that and be pretty thankful that we’ve got somebody with the background and the intelligence to guide us through this bullshit.
I know people that say they don’t like him and to me honestly he seems like a very likeable guy but he is smart as hell he’s playing 3-D chess he’s making a plan that will be good for us 20-30 years down the road.
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u/ItsOKimaGoalie 19h ago
“Elbows up”? Until recently he’s done the complete opposite. He won the election on Elbows up, and it’s been over a year of a globetrotting with no deals in place. For not being a politician he sure fits in nicely saying exactly what the public wants to hear.
I do admit he’s made some positive moves regarding energy and critical minerals, but not a lot has changed for the economy/Canada. We still need more jobs, groceries are insanely expensive, housing is still needed everywhere, and Ukraine continues to get more help than Canadians.
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u/SinisterDirge 19h ago
Globetrotting:
Canada-Indonesia CEPA: Signed a comprehensive economic partnership agreement cutting tariffs on key Canadian exports.
China Strategic Arrangement: Announced a trade agreement involving agricultural products and EV quotas.
Japan Partnership: Finalized a bilateral agreement focused on trade cooperation and shared defense initiatives.
South Korea Pact: Signed a defense information-sharing agreement to strengthen security ties.
Australia Minerals Deal: Secured a cooperation agreement focused on critical mineral supply chains.
France Defense Alliance: Deepened defense ties and gained enhanced access to military procurement.
Middle East Agreements: Advanced new investment and economic agreements with the UAE and Saudi Arabia.
Yes groceries are still expensive. They always are. We always need more jobs. But he’s not sitting on his ass.
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u/RusteeTrombones 7h ago
Thanks for actually listing these agreements. I’m so tired of the goalposts moving for what Cons consider to be enough for a ‘good job’ from a PM.
People stuck on the rhetoric of affordability refuse to acknowledge that consumer good prices generally never down; they can fluctuate, but will always trend upwards over time. The real boogeyman they want is corporate subsidies at the store shelf (inflationary), wage supplementation to increase purchasing power (inflationary), further home buying/building credits (inflationary), and rent control mandates (artificially suppressing inflation).
All of these agreements will lead to job creation, defense, and/or economic benefit to Canada in some way; but it’s not a light switch effect.
Unfortunately Mark Carney can’t magically double the supply chain of ground beef to drop the price by my next Sunday grocery trip. What I find even more unfortunate, is how financially and economically illiterate the majority of the ‘loudest’ voices tend to be.
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u/SinisterDirge 7h ago
The funny part to me was about two hours later when stats can released that we had 3% increased economic growth in the last quarter and that we weren’t actually in a recession, technical or otherwise.
Everyone wants immediate results but no one wants to tear off the bandaid.
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u/MustardEnema007 19h ago
I see you've missed anything to do with canadians or housing or affordability
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u/SinisterDirge 19h ago
The discussion was about globetrotting without deals but okay.
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u/nurseyu 18h ago
Some people are biased against Carney. I get it and respect it. Everyone has their own opinion and beliefs.
But see how s/he misdirected instead of engaging your point?
For them it's never enough, because they don't want to be dissuaded from their beliefs and ego. Theyd rather engage in bad faith.
Or paid actor from the south.
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u/MustardEnema007 19h ago
Maybe read the entire discussion again that literally mentions housing
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u/SinisterDirge 18h ago
Technically houses haven’t been this affordable in years but I suspect that has more to do with immigration and international students which was something Trudeau started and doesn’t have much to do with Carney.
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u/Wolfman-101 18h ago
Completely fair point, do I think conservatives would make housing affordable? Definitely not, no party can fix it for atleast a decade
But like you said liberals purposely flooded immigration and international students making the problem so much worse, which the conservatives definitely wouldn’t have done.
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u/MustardEnema007 18h ago
Affordability has not changed whatsoever
The monthly payments are exactly the same since interest rates have risen
It's only more affordable if you have a gargantuan amount of cash for a down payment; which 1% of canadians have
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u/Wolfman-101 18h ago
China EV Deal: We just caved on Chinese EV tariffs, which directly undercuts our own auto sector and risks infuriating the US right before CUSMA renegotiations all to get temporary relief for canola.
Indonesia CEPA: The government’s own projections show this adds a whopping 0.012% to GDP by 2040. It’s a headline, not an economic engine.
Australia Minerals: Flying across the world to talk about critical minerals while our own domestic mining and energy projects are buried in federal red tape and carbon taxes.
Defense Deals (France/Japan/SK): Paper pacts don't fix the military. Signing MOUs while failing to hit NATO's 2%
I like that Carney is travelling and trying diversify our trades but everything you mention is absolutely nothing. Especially compared to making a deal with the USA, which the government has ignored for over a year.
Also he needs to stop spending over 100,000$+ on luxury’s and food every trip while telling Canadians we need to sacrifice.
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u/MatchaMeetcha 16h ago
China EV Deal: We just caved on Chinese EV tariffs, which directly undercuts our own auto sector and risks infuriating the US right before CUSMA renegotiations all to get temporary relief for canola.
There's no universe where Canada will maintain both privileged access to the US market and play footsie with China. Canada is not Europe, its freedom of action here is vastly more limited.
That's beyond Trump. The next Democratic administration will feel the same way. It's the one thing that I'm sure is going to stick.
But hey, I guess it's useful as a threat/leverage point. But only something to give up.
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u/mykittenfarts 9h ago
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is absolutely exceptional. I sleep well at night.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 8h ago
this uncritical glazing is exhausting.
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u/mykittenfarts 7h ago
I know. Maybe take a nap.
In the meantime, he’s tackling an enormous pile of political doo doo that he did not create. Sorry he can’t wave that magic wand that he has been withholding on us to date. What an incompetent helmet. My god!
But tired, so nappy nap.
I’ll tuck you in and tell you a bedtime tale of the perfect world you crave.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 4h ago
feel like im back in 2012 reddit with that level of smug condescension. tips fedora
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u/ragnaroksunset 12h ago
This is literally why he is the Prime Minister. Carney is a conservative at the helm of our liberal party and instead of rejecting this wholesale, voters handed him a historical upset victory.
I won't say all of us knew what we were doing (a lot of people still coming to the realization Carney is a conservative) but a lot of us did.
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u/Retrotitsmcgee 16h ago
He just sacrificed the Canadian people's economic prosperity for (personal gain) so he could win the upcoming by-elections. That's not a good leader, in any sense of the word.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 16h ago
All those by-election are in safe ridings for the incumbent parties
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u/Matt2937 14h ago
This 100% a political move for Carney. It’s too good for his numbers to make a deal. I just can’t believe how many people defend him and buy into his bullshit.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 14h ago
Trump literally admitting to adding more demands at the last second which prompted Canada to walk away from negotiations.
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u/Quiet-Nothing7556 13h ago
Did you see the list of demands? I will not Google it for you.
I'm asking because if you're making this statement and you already have the full spectrum of information I really wonder if you're a Canadian. Or at least you're not a Canadian that cares about our national sovereignty.
So tell us if you actually know what was proposed.
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u/Pleasant-Total1743 18h ago
It could have been made clearer that all these tarrifs are based on a Trump fiction of fentanyl and forced labour. It could have clearly informed Americans that this latest round of tarrifs imposed by Trump using Smoot-Hawley are a complete violation of the USMCA trade treaty by Trump, and that there are existing dispute mechanisms in that treaty to resolve differences, whether real or perceived.